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Related: About this forumPolite Racists
We all encounter them in this world.
They don't think we can see them - but we do.
We see through them.
There is an inherent sneakyness to those who won't just come out with the racial slurs, slurs about sexuality, slurs about religion - but they don't fool us.
Not sugar coating the reality of this.
There are indeed some racist mother fuckers in this world - and that's that.
And when they show us who they are - we have to believe them. I'm talking about you - Rick Santorum and all the other racist fucks that back track when they realize we think they are garbage.
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BainsBane
(53,003 posts)and refuses to listen and heed concerns, I don't take that as polite. I see it as a deliberately offensive act.
JustAnotherGen
(31,688 posts)Pointing out garbage behavior is far worse than behaving like a piece of garbage . . . In America.
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Number23
(24,544 posts)rbrnmw
(7,160 posts)if we see the polite racism we should expose it as much as we would challenge assclowns who are blatantly racist
JustAnotherGen
(31,688 posts)When I was snuggling with my husband! Damn!
BainsBane
(53,003 posts)kwassa
(23,340 posts)I wonder if it is the newly minted persona of an Average guy that has been temporarily banned ...
Skittles
(152,967 posts)LEMME AT THEM!!!
JustAnotherGen
(31,688 posts)You'll get a hide then they go for five!
Stay coooool!
COOL
Boy, boy, crazy boy,
Get cool, boy!
Got a rocket in your pocket,
Keep coolly cool, boy!
Don't get hot,
'Cause man, you got
Some high times ahead.
Take it slow and Daddy-O,
You can live it up and die in bed!
Boy, boy, crazy boy!
Stay loose, boy!
Breeze it, buzz it, easy does it.
Turn off the juice, boy!
Go man, go,
But not like a yo-yo schoolboy.
Just play it cool, boy,
Real cool!
Music by Leonard Bernstein, lyrics by Stephen Sondheim.
© 1956, 1957 Amberson Holdings LLC and Stephen Sondheim. Copyright renewed.
Leonard Bernstein Music Publishing Company LLC, Publisher.
Skittles
(152,967 posts)yes INDEED
JustAnotherGen
(31,688 posts)Someone got a hide on another thread back here - and I'd say that was a good hide.
It's a cathartic thread.
rbrnmw
(7,160 posts)Skittles
(152,967 posts)rbrnmw
(7,160 posts)rbrnmw
(7,160 posts)randys1
(16,286 posts)ass and each time you see "name removed" it could be a different poster than any other "name removed" post I see?
JustAnotherGen
(31,688 posts)Our MIR Team has done a STELLAR job this weekend all over DU.
That's why I joke - if we ever have DU get together I can't wait to meet this person called Name Removed!
heaven05
(18,124 posts)true and 'other' places also. Or they just don't answer or they selectively answer some words, but never the salient points.
jtuck004
(15,882 posts)heaven05
(18,124 posts)even when they they try to cloak themselves in invisibility(progressiveness and liberalism).....we see them..... Same shit for 200 years and counting...geez how stupid a lot of people willfully remain and hateful too, dummies.
JustAnotherGen
(31,688 posts)For using the word 'and' in my OP.
I must be losing my touch.
heaven05
(18,124 posts)LWolf
(46,179 posts)throughout my 5 and a half decades, that hate and bigotry don't go away. When it becomes politically incorrect to express bigotry towards one group, that bigotry will go underground. Not away, just underground. As generations advance, it becomes less than it was, because, being underground, new generations are not as indoctrinated. It hasn't gone away, though; it always lurks, ready to spring up into the open given opportunity.
Usually, though, the bigots can't stand not to hate someone, so they simply transfer that bigotry to some group that it's still okay to hate publicly. So if the bigots no longer get together to commiserate over the dreadful *s, and pat themselves on the back for being so superior, and generally reinforce their need to be hateful, they simply switch targets. The bigotry continues.
And, of course, they develop a code that expresses their underground bigotry to those that are paying attention. That "inherent sneakiness."
JustAnotherGen
(31,688 posts)You are someone who can 'see' and 'hear' it.
Something I've noticed is that people who used to complain about 'welfare queens' have now switched to 'anchor babies'.
I'm not going to stand for them speaking or writing about Latina women that way! Because I see what they've done there.
LWolf
(46,179 posts)Bjorn Against
(12,041 posts)As a white guy I can only speak my observations, but as a person who has never actually experienced racism I would be interested to hear whether or not people who have experienced racism agree with me on this.
My observations have led me to believe that polite racism is actually far more destructive than overt racism. Overt racists may say some horrific things, sometimes they may even commit hate crimes which can result in bloodshed, but more often than not overtly racist acts are condemned by society. When racism is widely condemned by society then it can not do the same level of damage it does when it is supported by society.
That is what makes polite racists far more dangerous in my eyes, polite racists often have the support of major media outlets and politicians. George Zimmerman supporters were given enormous amounts of airtime to justify the murder of an unarmed black teenager and whenever anyone objected they were accused of "not respecting other's opinions" despite the fact that there is no reason we should respect the opinion of anyone justifying the murder of an unarmed black kid.
Overt racism is awful, yet overt racists have very little power in modern society. Polite racists on the other hand have lots of support in the media and in our government, they can actually succeed in pushing forth racist policies and that is why I believe polite racists are far more dangerous than any KKK member could ever be.
Again however this is coming from a white guy who has never experienced racism so I would like to hear from some black DUers. Who do you think is more dangerous, the overt racists in the KKK or the polite racists that defend George Zimmerman? Obviously both are wrong, but which group does more damage to society?
JustAnotherGen
(31,688 posts)I would rater be outright told you won't hire me because I'm xyz - than told I missed a qualification.
And polite ones can enter government and inflict pain.
Bjorn Against
(12,041 posts)I think one of the big problems in addressing the issue of racism is that many people are only able to acknowledge overt racism. If one employer explicitly told you that they would not hire you because you were black nearly everyone would acknowledge that was racism.
If on the other hand an employer consistently refused to hire black people claiming they "lacked qualifications" no matter how qualified they were many people would be OK with that even though they are doing exactly the same thing the employer in the first example was doing, they are just being dishonest about their reasons for it.
Many white people seem to get offended by any suggestion that racism exists in people's minds, unless a person explicitly yells out a racial slur we are scolded for even suggesting they might be a racist. Nearly all George Zimmerman supporters are obvious racists but we get scolded for saying so because most of them don't use the N word, and unless someone speaks that word we are treated as if we are wrong for accusing them of being racists. In reality it is far more racist to justify the murder of an unarmed black kid than it is to call the person justifying the murder a racist, but our nation has not done well when it comes to seeing the reality of racism.
Behind the Aegis
(53,833 posts)Some are much more crafty than others and some are just flat out clueless to their own bigotry to others. You have the "projectionists" who 'project' their bigotry of one group onto another group claiming the person/group of the different group is actually the bigot toward the group s/he supports. You have the "the big BUT" group; they are the ones who constantly drone on about some other groups misfortunes in order to drown out the actual experience of others. Then, the most insidious, IMO, are the ones who claim to be allies, unless someone from their group does something, then they rationalize the bigotry away. Following quick on the heels of the last one, is the "good Samaritan" who uses one minority group against another, all while using a "doe-eyed" expression, usually something along the lines of concern.
Sometimes, the ones who are upfront in their hate are easier to deal with because you really know where you stand. They also can be the easiest to teach because they already know they are racists/bigots.
JustAnotherGen
(31,688 posts)Especially the part about using one group against another!
Behind the Aegis
(53,833 posts)I am really tired of you playing the "Jewish" card as being oppressed. When you stop Bibi from allowing illegal settlements then I'll listen to your diatribe.
This was actually said to a Jewish poster! The Jewish poster responded to a remark made by said poster who asked ( a week after the events) why the murders in France were a "Jewish thing."
I bet you have had similar experiences in regards to race/ethnicity. Amazing how short-sighted and, downright ignorant, some people are.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)randys1
(16,286 posts)has a need to instantly see a gun in that parking lot video of the newest shooting, or has really strong opinions on guns for instance, but NEVER see them in racially sensitive topics, something is going on.
I know from experience they hang out in safe places and they just wait and hope to get on a jury for someone like me or bravenak, no matter what we have said, they of course vote to hide, that is why they are here, to silence the outspoken and passionate liberals.
And when I make this observation in GD, I get attacked as if I am some McCarthy type person, you know, like a racist calling a Black person a racist, same thing, and very effective for on lookers who dont know what is actually going on
Behind the Aegis
(53,833 posts)Then, the most insidious, IMO, are the ones who claim to be allies, unless someone from their group does something, then they rationalize the bigotry away.
I didn't give the group a name, so to speak. Yours is one good example; people who show up for their pet topic/peeve. There is an anti-Semitic example in GD right now, but it goes largely unnoticed except by a select few. It, like the other topics under discussion, are all example of majority privilege.
Institutionalized and societal bigotry are engrained, deeply, into the fabrics of this culture, and speaking about it can be very disturbing for all involved. This biggest problem is the pitting of one minority group against another, as well as the refusal of minority groups do address their own issues with racism, sexism, anti-Semitism, homophobia, and the list goes on and on.