after serving on the jury. Sorry to say, we seem to have some members who are quick to alert under false pretenses (stating an absolute falsehood in the alert message).

I'd love to see them

Whoever alerted on this has no business on this board, I wish that was obvious and was adhered to.

in GD

Sensitive bunch, aren't they?

because Hillary's husband cut off my welfare check yet I'm voting for her, cuz, lol.

Anywho, it was basically a tie between Senators Clinton and Sanders which means advantage Clinton for now, since she is the front-runner and the debate clearly showed that Joe Biden is not needed....so advantage Clinton there as well.

But I don't think for myself, only angry white males can do that, apparently.

Now leaving that aside, I am all into Hate Week and I don't have time for all of this nonsense!

to a football game I've ever seen. I felt bad for University of Michigan. But I may be Stockholm Syndromed.

Help me. Help me! I'm all Stockholm Syndromed!

because it's so obviously untrue. After all, the Senator marched with MLK 50 years ago and said Sandra Bland's name during the debate. His followers know this, and embrace this, and understand that the critiques of Senator Sanders re: racial justice--not "social justice," but racial justice--come from a place of hoping to steer his campaign in a direction that is more inclusive, at least at the level of rhetoric if not policy.

I remember when the rallying cry of "angry white men" got "angry white men" elected. Angry white bigots that brought us George Bush and the Tea Baggers.

characterized by opposition to feminism, racial quotas, political correctness, affirmative action and other liberal policies.

Hope so, otherwise you're on very thin ice with this post.

Just because you claim to be a liberal white/str8t/male, doesnt mean you dont BY DEFINITION have something in common with the assholes who are overtly racist and misogynist/homophobic and so on.

White males, left or right, are still white males who enjoy HEAPINGS full of privilege and that privilege blinds MANY of them (many, not all, but MANY) to anything going on around them. ANYTHING anyone else is experiencing just isnt as important as their needs.

Always been that way (NOT always gonna be that way, though)....change is coming and there aint nothing they can do about it.



But what I just said and what needs to be discussed about this cant be here, any REAL discussion of ACTUAL Racism is not allowed on DU at this point in time.

watch ...3, 2, --

because I suffer from Stockholm Syndrome. Suffice it to say, though, that here are legitimate reasons to be angry--thousands, if not millions, of them. But it's the targets of the anger that confuse me during this Democratic Party primary. Well, that and the fact that "identity politics" are now disparaged on DU in the same way they might be on FR even as those who critique identity politics engage in them by talking, precisely, about identities. That shit really chaps my ass.

It's been posted more times than I care to remember. The same phrases, the same insipid "arguments," the same everything. Next they'll again blame the passage of Prop 8 on black folks.

high end lifestyle.

because just the way media focuses on black males mostly in a negative way they are most likely to show gay men who are well to do. and people think gay men are mostly wealthy types who only care about their money and tax cuts for wealthy and other similar economic policies.

but we saw with SC verdict which legalized gay marriage the many others throughout this country who the media does not focus on.

I mean, am I getting a welfare check and praising the Lawd every chance that I get, or am I a fabulously wealthy man buying up twinks and rough trade and taking them to circuit parties on Fire Island and fabulous cruises...I'm so confused

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But I get to bring BehindTheAegis and his husband with me!

One for the ages!! I could retire my road tripping boots after that!

The Gio at home. I'm gonna wanna get my drink on without him pestering me. Also - late at night we might need to find a quad to go streaking at.

That's frowned upon by him.

and their supporters who were public figures.

but right now you are just seeing a contempt for entire groups of people . i still say this goes back to before sanders though. these people feel closer to the bigoted dems who moved to the republican party after civil rights than they do to the new faces who not too long ago would never have been given top positions .

I'm a complacent black female.

Written at DU (thank god it was hidden) by a constant disruptor in this group.

It was I who alerted on the disruptor with an axe and robbed them of posting in this thread again. Crime and punishment! HA!

He comes here constantly just to be disruptive then tries today innocent and "who me".

angry, rude behavior.

No women? No happy people?

Bernie and Hillary both did what they had to do. As far as I can tell both of them proved either could be the nominee. Both of them also had some less than adequate answers to questions. Bernie sounded uninformed on foriegn policy issues and Hillary still can't explain her iraq war vote strongly.
There is a small loud group of Bernie supporters who are so defensive on race they wind up sounding like tone deaf racists. They are angry when AA voters don't embrace Bernie. Most of the people I know are African American I can't think of one person who is firmly committed to a single candidate, so far no one running has presented a clear policy addressing inequality. But if someone points that out the black activist movement is attacked by some Bernie supporters. And sometimes done in overtly racist rhetoric.

And, try to silence.. why I bet your OP has been alerted on.. They can't handle being called out for their behavior.

Do you not believe that the MSM, which includes CNN, is corrupt? Did you watch the undecided voters in their own focus group say Bernie Sanders won? Isn't it the undecided voters that are really the ones that call winners and losers in a political debate? Isn't that a great deal of the purpose of having debates?

Additionally, CNN shut down Bernie2016tv.com After saying that the debate was open for using, CNN did a sudden 180 and shut down the website for playing the debate. They've now stated that a political debate of the Democratic primary candidates, cannot be shown. Do you take any issue with that?

Why is it that people who have rallied against MSM, and CNN particularly of late, suddenly find it to be an impossibility that there's some dirty tricks going on? CNN, owned by Time Warner, Clinton's 7th largest contributor?

I'm not male. I'm not straight. And I would take great issue with deleting comments from Hillary supporters or shutting down a website for her supporters. Because it's wrong.

Yes the media is corrupt. However,

The BernieTV thing is a copyright issue. The debate is still available to watch elsewhere and a transcription is available.

Hillary Clinton supporter comments have been shut down from this very website for awhile now. Yes, it's wrong.

The Bernie tv was a bullshit move. No one should be barred from airing a political debate. It never should have been on cable tv where some people don't have access. Even streaming is not available to everyone. And the copyright was given freely, then suddenly rescinded.

I'm not getting into who has been silenced here. You can't really want to go there. That's the extent of what I respond to about that.

My point is that the msm is, and obviously so, not reporting the full truth, like they've been doing for years. As much as anything else this debate was crap. The substance may have been better than the gop, but the reality is, it was limited in time to such a great degree that very few questions could be answered with detail by anyone, the questions were not the same to each candidate and the amount of time was not even close to being even.

We can debate the debate and who won until the cows come home. The reality is that corporate media made it into a Vegas style boxing match, with different rules for each candidate, with no time for anything serious, two hours with at least a half hour of commercial and fanfare among 5 candidates, is ridiculous.

And more than anything, it should never be on cable without ensuring that it has easily watched public access.

On that note, I'm going to bed. If you respond, I won't see it until the morning.

Nighty night

etc., You don't need BernieTV to see it or have access to it.

You may not want to go into the silencing, but it's happening. It's quite obvious at this point.

The debate was fine. It was the same as every other debate we've seen for years now. Clinton, Sanders and O'Malley did fine. 15 million viewers tuned it. That's great.

I do agree that it should have been aired on a public channel. I'm all for full access. However, in the age of the internet, access is out there. And again, 15 million people found a way to tune in. That's a record breaker.

Nite

And ignoring the reality of what happened with CNN and Bernietv.

Just because debates have been becoming more and more ridiculous over the years, doesn't make it okay.

when it was not a surprise to anyone who has been following him.

Seriously? Yeah, I read something in the press, I don't see anything on the website from a congressman, his Facebook page or his Twitter, and I check. I've done it before and guess what? The press was wrong.

I also stated that I wouldn't be surprised if he does endorse her but at the time I called, it had not been made official.

The msm has been conspiring since long before now. If you don't know that, more's the pity.

like addressing needs of constituents.

it's just strange to have called over that.

why would the media lie about him endorsing her ?

Whatever dude.

The enemy is Repbulicans

They're mostly members of the Old Boys' Club.

How about the 1/10th of the 1%?

The 1% is mostly older white males. But, the 1%, like many of the non-1%ers that support the gop, don't give a shit about women, or LGBT, or PoC ... they care about their pocketbook.

So given that, fighting the 1% is NOT a/the battle that concerns Democrats most ... we are more concerned with defeating republicans ... period.

Especially since they threw their County Western crowd under Romney's bus.

I recall Democrats, literally, laughing about the prospects of his being the gop nominee.

That didn't work out well for the Democratic Party OR America.

an anomaly? Something that Democrats should just ignore? ... AGAIN?

and they are not going away.

If you could we would have had President George Wallace.

using a very similar platform.

should read those 5 words and UNDERSTAND what they mean.

In those 5 words we have the entire debate over the Bernie followers (not Bernie himself) vs Black America or DU.

You shouldn't have to explain it, let's see if people can figure it out.

No matter what team jersey they're wearing.

The status quo is deadly to blacks, and crushing the poor of all skin hues, while making the rich and powerful ever more rich and powerful.

Oligarchs, Corporations And Banks.

I am now blocking you from this forum.

Because I saw the word "oligarch" and figured it wasn't worth reading. Good catch!

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Edit: Link to my post just a few weeks ago asking this person to no longer post in the AA forum

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1187&pid=28696

Dear Sir/ Ms

Congratulations on the condescending tone and fatuous reasoning in your article on Bernie Sanders.
How luxurious it must be to sit back to judge and smear good people who are at the cutting edge of power, fighting desperately to avoid climate calamity and greedy power mongers' lust for dominance at the expense of the vast majority of the community.
I'm looking at this moment for your articles on the Bush/Cheney war crimes, the unlimited slaughter committed by your armed forces and their proxies over the last fifty years, and the criminal behaviour of Wall St and the Big banksters. Can you direct me? I'm sure the articles are couched in insouciant terms that meticulously avoid any journalistic responsibilities.

Dispassionately yours

Re Bernie Sanders. However at DU asking to see the "devil" ie he's in the details is unacceptable.

people NOT like me think.

Do you know what I mean?

As a str8t white male, and knowing what I know about Hillary and the others, my brain and instincts tell me that Bernie is really quite something on all issues (other than guns).

And I believe this to this day, YET, what I dare not do is ignore the concerns of what appears to be millions of Black people, who seem to not be as thrilled about Bernie as I am.

I have to ask why, and the answer seems to have less to do with his positions and him, and more to do with what they call the BIG PICTURE.

You see in their world, evidently, they have to worry about every single word they say, clothing item they wear, attitude they take, and exactly what position their facial muscles are in depending on who they are talking to, and I never have to think about those things, or almost never.

I guess to them it matters more that the outright racist assholes aka teaparty/cons dont take power, because their very lives are at risk if they do.

I have the LUXURY of looking at the little picture and my ONE issue, my wallet. They do not.

to support him and spew some of the most offensive things. i can't stand to be associated with them and they are nothing like the way i feel about Sanders himself.

i don't blame him for it because many of these people have been doing the same shit for a long time even before he was running.

they do everything by claiming they support Sanders. but mostly they are shit stirring assholes looking to offend and get off on the attention they get from the idiot fans.

The problem is Sanders doesn't have enough "angry white males" to win the nomination...chances are , you need a lot of Hillary's base to vote for Bernie and insulting them ain't gonna cut it.(and there are multiple threads here that are insulting and downright racist, as you well know and have acknowledged)

I'm angry at business as usual corporatist politicians. I'm angry about rampant economic and social injustice.

I'm angry that my genetic birthright and best political instincts are huge impediments to realizing my dream of an America in which all people are finally treated equally and respectfully.

Mostly, I am angry that my country has a long, continuing and highly successful history of setting certain portions of the 99% against other portions of the 99%. And I continue to play right into this long and venerable tradition, despite my better intentions.

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So-called complacent black female O'Malley supporter who is sick and tired of . . .

you, clearly, know nothing and don't REALLY care about Black people and don't REALLY know what it is like to be Black ... {if you really are Black}.

Your nagger is going to come after you for that!

Notice how she doesn't chastise the people that do it to you?

Your posts are often privileged and ignorant but could have at least been previously construed as being posted in good faith.

Your hidden post makes it obvious that's no longer the case and as such, you are no longer welcome to participate in this forum. Please do not return.

Angry white men? The Repubs have lots of angry white men with NO solutions to any of the problems of the country. They want to go backwards.

The Democrats were polite and talked about issues and offered solutions. Does not ANYONE listen to the messages coming out of these peoples' mouths? Or is someone saying that all angry white men are the same?

The behavior of the Clinton supporters is what is being described,
I don't know their races and genders...

The Clinton supporters were driven to distraction by the post-debate polling, and they attacked the results as being "spammed" which of course would indicate a conspiracy. That is a nasty accusation even when it is unspoken.
There has been no evidence to indicate that there was coordination.

There has been a nearly lock-step media that was in denial of its own polling.

There is a media-lead plot.
It is not to "bring Sanders down"
It IS to preserve their choice of corporate candidate.

The media wants Hillary to win now
So they can have her lose in the GE.

As with all things filtered through, and appropriated by, the dominant culture, victimhood is a prized commodity.

The claim to victimhood cancels out all notions of White Privilege. "How can you accuse me of White Privilege when I'm a victim, too?"

So, we have Sanders cast as a victim, which allows his followers to cast themselves victims as well - and they have little patience for what they perceive as competing claims of victimhood from those groups who have actually been historically oppressed.

I just thought it was over Bernie himself and their special status as the wise ones who see, but, for some, of course.

and discuss my theory for WHY economic primacy resonates with those that make up Bernie's primary support demographic. I have posted it before ... and was labelled a racist.

Speaking of, it's cocktail hour, or close enough.

The most difficult adjustment I had to make, after moving from Ohio to Arizona, was football season cocktail hour moved from 1:00 p.m. to 10:00 a.m.

cool mornings and evenings to the Deep South, was discovering that in high summer the 85-degree/85% humidity heat continues to increase as the sun drops (!). Our fantasy of sipping mint juleps (etc) on a jasmine-draped porch while we watched fireflies turned into club chairs in front of the TV.

FYI for media censorship CTers: the NFL had Deadspin and another site I can't remember suspended from Twitter, because they were posting vines and gifs of game highlights.

You can agree or disagree over public access, but companies take copyright seriously.

going to get worse." Unfortunately.

There are a few upthread who give a demonstration.

Like clockwork!

Because of the Stockholm thing we are all in love with Hillary and this will make us REAL MAD.

their tiny, flailing bait.

The key quote seems to be

there is a large subset of the angry white left that is braying equally as loudly at the rapid demise of white, male supremacy in this country. It's not just Republicans.

are simply not used to being questioned as far as intentions, motives, and actions.

And frankly, yes, Bernie Sanders has a bit of that in him...yes, for different reasons that those who vote Republican do, but the anger is still there.

and countless other web sites and articles and not agree that this article is 100% correct is just completely in denial.

Just when I thought this topic had been covered to death and that everyone saw and recognized what the problem was, a big old turd about Stockholm Syndrome was dropped into GDP which didn't do a damn thing but show that some people will never, ever, EVER learn anything about anything.

I suppose this could be its core thesis?

I'll bet cash money the alerter said "race-baiting."

I wonder how long this stays up.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251696548

and, yes, it is a bit of a meta discussion regarding the jury system, so I'm not angry about that precisely but obviously, the jury system, unintentionally, does seem to perpetuate racism, white supremacy, and favoritism and seems to turn a blind eye to alert stalking.