They can all bite me!

Everytime this happens i tell them as it's happening what they are doing, and never do they see it for what it is.
Once again with the reverse rasism and the martyrdom. One day i will make this shit into a book.

I'd buy it!

For two bucks you can read my journal.

That's probably one of the reasons I don't seem to appear on too many of the usual suspects' radar.

Another is my careful use of the ignore feature. I haven't banned anyone from sitting on a jury but I've certainly evicted them from my screens.

As for the martyrdom, it's been noticed. I don't know what to tell you except a hearty laugh at it helps a lot.

White men have taken a beating but it hasn't come from women or black folks or hungry children or Mexicans or anybody else the noise machine is trying to blame. Their beating has come from other white guys and it's high time they get down off the cross and start figuring that out.

Then we can stop laughing.

She's only 19 years older than me and cracks up on this. I'm like a mini her with no filter.
I can understand feeling oppressed and looking for the villain, but me? LOL!
I felt like i was on the set of O'Reilly with the wailing about reverse racism...
I suppose i will wait for the hides to drop off before i say anything that might make white people uncomfortable, heaven forbid i state the obvious and tell then that their problem is with rich old white dudes. I share their problem. I just don't bother to blame the president for e-v-e-r-y-t-h-i-n-g.

when I see him agreeing with the 'rich old white dudes'.

It's a pretty simple litmus test, really - if you're doing what Cheney or Bush would have done, or hiring on the same people they would have, you're doing something wrong.

But i know that Romney or McCain would have been so bad this would look like a fantasy utopia in comparison. I have a motto that nothing is good or bad unless compared to something else.

White men have taken a beating but it hasn't come from women or black folks or hungry children or Mexicans or anybody else the noise machine is trying to blame. Their beating has come from other white guys and it's high time they get down off the cross and start figuring that out.

because you are able to point out the attitudes they haven't faced in themselves, and you do it in a way that is pretty clear and unmistakable. It makes them nutty.

Don't stop!

I try so hard to say nothing, but i have a big ass mouth and read people too well. Maybe from living in the hood and in whiteyville helps me see too clearly. I just think it's worse if i never told them anything. Imagine walking around with a booger on your nose all day and your friend doesn't tell you. That's what it is. I tell them they have boogers and instead of getting a tissue and digging it out, they are embarassed and pissed that i said anything.

people say, "Yes, I know YOU think it's OK, but I'm the one being treated that way, and it's not OK with me, which means it is not OK."

Lots of people don't seem to get that.

It was like a version of the blue eye brown eye experiment.

I hope this comes to a peaceful end.

And I still say that your clarity and succinctness in pointing out difficult truths is absolutely necessary here.

Over-noticed? Never.

Your views aren't controversial. You are, however, an African American woman and speak from that perspective. Some find that POV unacceptable.

My views aren't controversial either. I'm pretty middle of the road in terms of my views on gender and race. But the fact is there are a number of people who have ever had to listen to the POV of anyone other that people just like them. They see any suggestion that racism or sexism exists anywhere but within Republican circles as an outrage. We even have folks who defend MRAs, which the Southern Poverty Law Center keeps track of under its Hate Watch project, over feminists and insist it is feminists rather than MRAs that "make DU suck." People are comfortable talking about racism only if they can point the finger at the GOP and never have to examine their own role in the system. While there is no question that the GOP is far more racist and sexist in national policy, on a personal level the differences are not as great as we might hope.

You may not be radical, but you are cute.

Duh!! HOF! I forgot about HOF. I made a positive post in HOF, now i am a screeching feminist.
I should add up my wrongs. Worst black racist on DU? Check! Screeching Feminist? Check! Ageist? Yep, that too. And the number one award winning Misandrist? Oh, hell yeah!

Never ever say "Old white dudes are not the fucking victims!" That is racist, sexist, and misandrist.
I better not ever try to use a rofl smilie. Who knows what disaster may ensue.

And you are right, i make them feel uncomfortable.

You like my pic, huh? I look like a dork in every picture. I am standing in front of the map because i am showing all the areas where i oppress people.

struck a nerve!

Remember the list of people that need their heads sorted out, all African Americans and feminists?

He was honored. We should get awards and a gift cards for the hard misandrying we do every day. It's hard to keep it up while looking this cool. I work at it in every spare moment.

Funny how the hated people are the ones with vaginas or dark skin or those who love us too much.
I did like going over there to reply to the list of the worst duers ever. I felt like i was on TMZ, girl, loving the fame. I will be Wearing Zebra print from now on to get into the role.

If people would chill out they would see how awesome i am and love me for life.

You have a good sense humor

"If people would chill out they would see how awesome i am and love me for life." And, they would totally stop alerting on you.

Have you noticed that all the M$M eulogies for Maya fail to acknowledge that she was among the most influential feminist voices on the planet?

Feminist is a bad word now. My sister refuses to believe she is one because she hates labels.

or if one is pro choice they can't be sexist.

as we have seen with many issues it's often those who deny institutional bigotry that are the problem.

on gay rights while the westboro trash was very offensive and ignorant the real problem standing in the way of getting rights were those who would say things like "i don't hate anyone i just don't agree with their lifestyle or think anyone should have special rights".

look, on any internet board you're gonna find the crazies - try to identify them and put them on IGNORE - they're pathetic critters who don't have lives, who try to boost their egos by tearing others down......F*** THEM

All it does is hide what they post from your ability to view it while logged in.

I don't know because I do not alert, nor do I serve on juries

just like every other PM you get, and I'm pretty sure those alerts go straight to the admins instead of a jury.

I don't think any jury hides have ever been overturned by the admins, though. They can, however, see who each alert was sent by. That's how they caught Skip Intro self alert stalking and trying to play the victim, for example.

I'm surprised it took so long

be honest about it.

Prominent admin member told you specifically to quit using his name in the sick "witch hunts" you were conducting at the time.

You're trying to re-write history, but the facts are not on your side.

That happens when you lie.

you foolishly thought alerts were anonymous, but you alerted for the hosts, not a jury, and in your alert statement (about your own OP in Meta) you said, among other things, "I like Cjeekdgg".

Pretending to be drunk.

This is why when you post, people respond to you like that, because so many people saw what you did.

Like a three year old? Yes you were.

and i will point out a climate change denier as long as I am allowed to do so here on DU.

and that poster is blocked from the E/E group for doing that, not by me, by other hosts there before me.

so what I said was the truth, which a moment ago you claimed to stand for.

I hope they read Average Joe's post as well as the reply in which you were called uncool and ingore-worthy.

Is that thread about me? Nope. It's about YOU.

Again, if you don't want to be called out on being stalkish and personal attacking, stop being stalkish and personal attacking.

In the alert message, which you sent as an SOP alert rather than for a jury --you pretended to sound like someone who was defending me, even though that Meta post OP you posted outright attacked me, personally.

But for some foolish reason, you thought you could keep the post from being hidden by posting an alert that looked like a poor attempt to defend me in hopes that would make a jury not hide it.

Later in the thread, when you were confronted, you claimed you were showing your "friend" DU and *he* alerted on the post and you had nothing to do with it.

Right.

Don't worry, someone has a screencap of that thread, so don't be too confident that you can lie about what you did and didn't do in that thread.

That was when I learned that arguing with you, I wasn't just arguing with someone I disagreed with, I was arguing with someone who would lie to try to win the argument.

And that's when I lost respect for any of your posts because I know that if you felt you had to lie, then you knew if you told the truth, you would not be convincing.

Which means you know your positions are bankrupt. And they are.

You won't, because you can't, because you're lying, which will come as a shock to no one.

The thread was 100% accurate. You're just pissed and STILL not over being called out.

"Waaaahhhh, somebody called me out in a thread a year and a half ago and I'm still mad."



As I said in another post, if you don't want to be called out on being stalkish and attacking others, don't be stalkish and attack others.

Simple, yes?

Btw...

The admin advises others to ignore you. Not me, you.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12595593

I don't need to prove it with a screencap.

Others also witnessed the post, so what I say you posted is confirmed by others here.

It happened, what we say you posted, *you posted*, because you did, hundreds here saw what you posted and saw the self alert you did on your own OP.

Which was a truly cowardly thing.

And now you're in this group, the first time here, even though your posts are openly hostile to African American posts about racism in the USA.

In fact, you've posted many times that the "race card" or a claim of racism should not be said, those times in reference to racism against black people.

However, you're quick to call something you see as racist towards white, "racist".

And you're here in this group, as if you belong in a safe haven group for African Americans, while holding those points of view and that posting history.

You talk shit, get called on it, and then run and hide or spew forth more tired bullshit to cover it.

How easy life would be for you then!

Btw, did your pastime/obsession of running around the board calling people racist get an official slapdown? I seem to have read something along those lines. +100 to the admin if so!

You recently sent me a pm telling me we were cool and that you got me mixed up with NYC_SKP. I can post the whole thing if you'd like.

I really did like you.

I remember you being one of the first to talk to me here at length.

We had a conversation about you never having posted a thread-starting OP. Which I couldn't believe because you had such meaningful things to say. Remember?

Now you're with the hyenas. Attack attack attack. Fuck facts. Fuck reality. Just attack anyone who doesn't say or do exactly as you wish. Or join on with the few remaining Meta-zombies in one of their hits. Like a member of worn high-school clique. Well, hopefully you'll resurrect yourself from that gutter.

In the meantime I'll remember you as you used to be.

No, you joined right in on the attack with a very few Meta-holics, and started throwing your own attacks.

The thread in question called out a particular poster for his well-documented stalking and attacking of other posters. Plenty of others besides me.

The DUer you're assisting, Electric Monk, was told directly by S*****r to not use his name in EM's sick "witch hunt" posts.

But the truth of that thread, and of what I'm saying here, is wasted on them, because they're not interested in reality. They're interested in some childish school-yard smears. And you seem suddenly to be right in the middle of it. Maybe you always were.

Hate appears to control this board now, and instead of lamenting the turn for the worse you embrace it.

Not worried about it. Unlike some here, I'd rather know the truth. And now I do.

Later.

that's how you get blocked, and deservedly so.

Not that I or anyone else needs to explain anything to you, I will point out the following

1 - I'm not harassing anyone, that's your game.

2 - What am I supposedly blocked from?

3 - If you can't handle the truth, don't read my posts.

I was responding to a sub-thread where EM is spreading lies about myself. Now I know you don't believe in self-defense, and I know you will take the tiniest thing to go drama on, and I know at some point you'll be calling me racist for simply being White and breathing. But reality doesn't really care, CreekDog, and frankly, neither do I.

then claimed it was your friend who sent the alert in from your account, you were just "showing him DU" by demonstrating how one alerts on posts.



and I am white. Being white doesn't make one racist, being racist does.

The admin advises others to ignore you. Not me, you.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12595593



Btw, the thread about you that you still aren't over going on two years was 100% accurate, and the link above parallels it very well.

Don't want to be called out on stalking and personal attacks?

Stop stalking other DUers and attacking them.

...your friend who sent the alert in under your name.

and if that OP is true, then I take it you're brave enough to post the thread here in its entirety and as proof that you aren't lying.

You seem to be the only one interested in a year and a half old thread. You might want to focus on getting over it. I've already stated that what I wrote in that thread, which was about you and your stalking and personal attacks (just as Average Joe wrote in ATA at this link: http://www.democraticunderground.com/12595593 where the admin reply was to call you uncool and suggest you were ignore-worthy), was accurate. I called you out, as others have done, and you're still sore about it.

My advice to you: if you don't want to be called out for stalkerish behavior and personal attacks, stop engaging in stalkerish behavior and personal attacks.

and you're saying nobody is interested in it? you're fighting with several people here who brought it up here before you arrived in this thread.



how stupid do you think we are?

might not want to answer that, if your posts on DU are an indication of how you feel about this group.

You and your little games.

It's a sad situation.

I don't think you're stupid. Not sure what causes you to chase people around the board and attack them repeatedly. But I don't think it's stupidity.

At any rate, if you keep doing it, you're likely to keep being called out on it. If you keep spouting bullshit, you're likely to keep being called out on that too.

Or do they come in with the same timestamp?

I typed black him the first time.LOL!

Wow

I egged him on before i knew what i like cjeek dgg meant. Big mistake. He followed the link here and boom! I figure he'd make a couple of posts and stop but never that. I mean i like Creek Dog too but damn, he really likes him.

if a host wants to block him i think they have the power to do so.

that is a decision of the hosts of this group, not me.

I feel bad for linking here but i had no idea what i like cjeek dgg was all about when i did. Boy that was funny to read about.

or something since?

On Sat Jun 7, 2014, 07:07 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

let's be honest here - is this the Tiger Beat club again?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=5062829

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

Nasty personal attack on a group of DUers. Tiger Beat and "fuck them" is unnecessary and does nothing for the discourse here

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Sat Jun 7, 2014, 07:15 PM, and the Jury voted 3-4 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #2 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation:

Over the top insult.

Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Really?
Juror #4 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Skittles' "tough guy" shtick is getting old.
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: There's a Tiger Beat group?
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given

Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.

I had the pleasure of being the deciding vote to leave it.

I love how Jury #2 thinks my act is "old" but thinks I am a guy

I am also the sexist. There is an anti me thread that i rec'd for exposure. I stated that white men are not the victims and much more evil things like what is listed in my journal. Many people are so angry and i am not sorry.

white men certainly seem to play the victim card the more privilege they lose, but they can still be victims.....for example, white men are a big chunk of the 99% and we gals are right in there with them in that fight, and being a white man doesn't protect them from losing everything in the event of a medical disaster

I said old white men are the ones who legislate my womb, pass restrictive laws to try to stop me from voting, and are the classic oppressor of African Americans and women. I did not say 'not all old white men!' I also said they were the ones standing in the way of progress and that demographics being what they are, the nation will continue getting progressivly liberal since the new majority will be women, minorities, lgbt's and younger voters who skew more liberal as a whole.

just remember a lot of us older folk and yes, white folk, have fought the good fight for a long time.....try to express yourself in a way that does not alienate those who have ALWAYS been liberal

No answer, and a thread about me. Maybe somebody just wanted to be offended?

that's not good - that's passive-aggressive bs.......I don't care for that kind of shit myself

"old white men". not sure why she was so offended by your statement. everything you say is true. you are not alone in facing these accusations. indeed, every woman of color who sees what you and i see and stands up for herself is labeled and sometimes, even worse. they just cannot stand a woman of color who is also educated and articulate when demanding respect - to which they believe only they are entitled.

It's scary to learn that people see the world in a radically different way than you. I feel no nostalgia because the past was terrible for people who looked like me. I feel nothing for the founding fathers. They would buy and sell me like a piece of wood. Manifest Destiny makes my blood boil, and i think Lincoln was a white supremacist. Teddy Roosevelt was not much better. FDR refused lynching legislation. Jimmy Carter was aight. Not great on race issues, but nothing like Reagan. My worldview does not show their heroes in a good light. I always think,how would i be treated during that time when people wax nostalgic. The answer is always, worse than today. So i want to go forward not back.

sharia law descending upon america. but racism & misogyny in our country runs deep and is just as hideous.

And don't stop there ... the great civil rights heroes, JFK and LBJ, weren't all that ... JFK, as a Senator, voted against Civil Rights legislation ... twice, and LBJ's pushing of the CRA of 1964 was more a recognition of the 125,000 WWII and the 600,000 Korean War veterans that (mistakenly, IMO) saw the death of President Kennedy, as the last, best peaceful chance at getting the rights that the US government trained them to fight for others, but were being denied here at home ... then with the assassination of Dr. King, LBJ recognized that had he NOT worked to pass the CRA, there would violence.

But that is not the liberal history that we must know ... pointing out all of the above is seen as "divisive" because ... well ... the liberal "heroes" weren't/aren't our heroes. (In the words of Public Enemy, "The face of my heroes don't appear on a stamp!&quot

but I think the issue is not age per se but retrograde thinking, the idea that the rest of us need to conform to their worldview (formed in part by their race, class, and gender) to be accepted or to even have our speech be seen as legitimate. Some of the most reactionary posters are younger, and some older posters are very open-minded. DU, however, does have an older, whiter demographic than the population at large, so that is going to influence the views and "community standards" of the site.

They did not care that it was factual. Older white men lean more conservative that the population as a whole. DU leans older and male. The party supports the president. The party is majority women, minorities, younger voters and lgbt. That was my explanation for why DU is less supportive. The people who are his biggest supporters are not here in force. They showed why that is in that thread. I told them why and they don't believe me. They can't ever say nobody told them.

and explained what you meant. That should have been sufficient.

Everyone knows what the demographic breakdown in voting is, despite the efforts by one of your responders to redefine "old" as 45-64.

I am enjoying reading all of the nasty stuff about me on that thread and will make sure to give a wide berth to anyone who expresses and interest in never hearing from me again. I usually do not send out nasty messages and will not be running around looking for people to attack for saying something hurtful. Once they finish with the Wicked Witch Bravenak thread, I hope it is done and finished with. I still feel famous. I never realized i could make people feel such deep feeling for me and i am quite sure they are all in love with me. I am pretty dope. And quite fit for a lazy ass. And i did this new thing with my hair with my deep wave iron. I can see why they love me.

thread ABOUT you? The Tiger Beat comments are about you and other Obama supporters, you realize?

And i think that she will look back at the thread later or read my journal and realize what was going on. The offending posts were alerted on and passed the jury. That's why they kept alerting me. It pissed her off that a juror agreed with my sentiments and does not seem to know that this is common knowledge.

Even after someone posts links to her bs here she still carries on. B. is waaaayyyy better than me, I might have gotten a hide on that crap.

You speak from your experience and from your heart.



Keep on keeping on woman.

I knew it wasn't controversial and i said so. But it is controversial here. I did get pissed and said fucking and FU too, but shit, they were coming at me like gangbusters. 1 black woman, 20 white people, and i am the oppressor and the racist and they are my victims. Where they hell do these people get all these crosses to martyr themselves on? Is DU running a lumberyard now?

I love your pic and you look sassy! Your daughters pic is a young you and I will bet she is just as sassy as you are. The apple never falls far from the tree!

You go woman.

Yeah they are just like me. Crazy ladies.
I wanted people to see the face of their abuser (me) so they could focus their anger at me and get a good look at the 'Real Racist' and 'Real Sexist'.

I remember asking an older coworker why this one older woman just screeched and screamed at me every chance she got in an office job I had one time at my company.

I was there because I'd been injured on my regular job and was hated for having made more money working with men in the outside jobs. I was puzzled and tried to be nice to her but it didn't work.

He said to me, that she hated me because I was what she had never been, smart, beautiful, gusty and at that time, young. She had an easier go of it at work and all of that, but the sight of me drove her crazy. I was known as the kindest, most loving person there, but his words put things in perspective for me and I just tuned her out from then on.

I agree with you on working more elsewhere than here, as I'm doing the same. This place is steadily turning into trollville and liberation underground. The only reason I don't see much of the dust-ups is my ignore list. I still find people to talk to and I'll miss your posts when I run across them.

And the truth should never be controversial, your words are not flamebait. Yes, we have a serious effort to run people off.

Drop back in as you please, bravenak. You're always going to be welcome here, in HOF or the BOG if you visit.

She has that problem at work and usually calls me up at lunchtime to write a list of comebacks for the week. She can rotate the same ones and they apply no doubt about it.
Thank you for this post. I felt bad that so many are swarming me and insulting me and i have never spoken to most of these people. Hurtful. They never defend me when racists posts are made about me but rush to denigrate me because i used white old and men in a negative light. I still consider old white men ( NOT ALL MEN) to be the woman's burden.