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rug

(82,333 posts)
Thu Jun 5, 2014, 07:20 PM Jun 2014

Egypt: Writer Karam Saber Sentenced to Five Years in Jail for Atheist Book



Karam Saber (Karam Saber Twitter profile)

By Ludovica Iaccino
June 5, 2014 16:08 BST

Activist and writer Karam Saber has been sentenced to five years in jail in Egypt for writing a book considered by the authorities as promoting atheism in the country.

When the author published "Where Is God?" -- a collection of short stories about poor farmers in Egypt -- in 2011, some citizens from Beni Sueif filed a legal complaint alleging the work promoted atheism and contradicted religious precepts.

Saber rejected the accusations, but the court in Beni Sueif sentenced him to jail and fined him EGP1,000 (£83) – the maximum sentence – for contempt of religion.

Hamdy Al-Assiuti, one of the members of Saber's defence team, said the court disregarded the evidence submitted by Saber's lawyers.

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/egypt-writer-karam-saber-sentenced-five-years-jail-atheist-book-1451453
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Egypt: Writer Karam Saber Sentenced to Five Years in Jail for Atheist Book (Original Post) rug Jun 2014 OP
The dark side of religion. edhopper Jun 2014 #1
The dark side of state power. rug Jun 2014 #2
We've gone over this before edhopper Jun 2014 #4
We have. I prefer Marx's view of the connection between religion and state power. rug Jun 2014 #6
He probably has as much of a chance of edhopper Jun 2014 #10
His analysis is more on its use than its origin. rug Jun 2014 #11
That's true edhopper Jun 2014 #13
blasphemy laws are used by the ruling regimes rafeh1 Jun 2014 #3
Precisely. rug Jun 2014 #7
Yes edhopper Jun 2014 #9
No, it's one ideology among many that are readily co-opted. rug Jun 2014 #12
I meant edhopper Jun 2014 #14
That's pretty close to how I feel about religious belief. rug Jun 2014 #15
As an atheist edhopper Jun 2014 #16
And why do the people edhopper Jun 2014 #8
Blasphemy laws are horrible! hrmjustin Jun 2014 #5
 

rug

(82,333 posts)
2. The dark side of state power.
Thu Jun 5, 2014, 10:14 PM
Jun 2014

"or damaging national unity" has a lot to do with it.

See England's Supremacy Act of 1534.

edhopper

(33,567 posts)
4. We've gone over this before
Sat Jun 7, 2014, 11:04 AM
Jun 2014

and i suppose it's a "chicken and egg" thing.

But without the fervent religious beliefs of the population, blasphemy laws would not be as possible to institute.
The rulers might use these beliefs to further their own agendas, but people agreeing that their God is offended is the core reason for these. IMO.

Your mileage may vary.

edhopper

(33,567 posts)
10. He probably has as much of a chance of
Sat Jun 7, 2014, 12:15 PM
Jun 2014

a classless society as he does at religious belief disappearing.

I disagree that religious belief stems from a class society anyway, perhaps religious institutions, but belief has a much more primal origin.

 

rug

(82,333 posts)
11. His analysis is more on its use than its origin.
Sat Jun 7, 2014, 02:07 PM
Jun 2014

He was no theologian but a damned insightful political scientist.

rafeh1

(385 posts)
3. blasphemy laws are used by the ruling regimes
Sat Jun 7, 2014, 10:55 AM
Jun 2014

blasphemy laws are used by the ruling regimes to ingratiate themselves with the people inMuslim countries. these corrupt ruling elites cant deliver on bread, jobs and housing so they use blasphemy persecutions to keep the public distracted

 

rug

(82,333 posts)
7. Precisely.
Sat Jun 7, 2014, 11:11 AM
Jun 2014

Which ideologies they use vary by the culture. While religion is a common one, they also use ethnicity, race, language, nationalism or gender. Whatever works to maintain power.

edhopper

(33,567 posts)
9. Yes
Sat Jun 7, 2014, 12:11 PM
Jun 2014

religion is but one dangerous ideology among others. And all these stem from erroneous belief systems.

 

rug

(82,333 posts)
12. No, it's one ideology among many that are readily co-opted.
Sat Jun 7, 2014, 02:08 PM
Jun 2014

Why do you think it's called The Patriot Act? Do you think patriotism is a dangerous ideology?

edhopper

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14. I meant
Sat Jun 7, 2014, 02:16 PM
Jun 2014

erroneous beliefs within the subjects you listed.

And yes patriotism can be very dangerous. And someone can love his country, but when his beliefs lead him to think it is the best country that ever existed and can do no wrong, those erroneous beliefs are problematic to say the least.

edhopper

(33,567 posts)
16. As an atheist
Sat Jun 7, 2014, 02:27 PM
Jun 2014

I would say it's all erroneous

But I understand that viewpoint.

And because of the deep nature of religious beliefs it is one of the most dangerous when it goes wrong.
I think people are able to let go of most ideologies more easily than religious ones.
(not that they do it easily)

edhopper

(33,567 posts)
8. And why do the people
Sat Jun 7, 2014, 12:09 PM
Jun 2014

welcome these laws. Does it have anything to do with their religious beliefs?

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