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rug

(82,333 posts)
Fri Jun 6, 2014, 04:11 PM Jun 2014

Major legal groups won’t support ENDA because of religious exemption



Shannon Minter said the National Center for Lesbian Rights doesn’t support the current version of ENDA. (Photo courtesy NCLR)

June 5, 2014 | by Chris Johnson

Two major LGBT legal groups announced on Thursday they don’t support the current version of the Employment Non-Discrimination Act pending before Congress because of the bill’s religious exemption.

The National Center for Lesbian Rights and the Transgender Law Center told the Washington Blade they don’t support ENDA because the religious exemption is greater than it is under Title VII of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 for other classifications of people.

Shannon Minter, legal director for the National Center for Lesbian Rights, said the religious exemption must be more narrow if his organization is to continue backing ENDA.

“We strongly oppose any religious exemption in ENDA or any other federal, state, or local non-discrimination law that is broader than the religious exemption that already exists under federal civil rights laws,” Minter said. “We do not support legislation that will create a new and broader exemption for LGBT people than exists for other protected groups. While we are confident the current discriminatory religious exemption in ENDA will not be part of the final legislation, we will not continue to support ENDA if it is not changed to be consistent with Title VII’s religious exemption.”

http://www.washingtonblade.com/2014/06/05/nclr-wont-support-enda-religious-exemption/
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Swede Atlanta

(3,596 posts)
1. I was not aware of these proposed exemptions.......
Fri Jun 6, 2014, 04:17 PM
Jun 2014

I completely agree these should be removed.

Although I doubt any employer would be so blatant as to make it obvious they weren't hiring someone because they were black or female, etc. there are no religious exemptions for race or gender. So why for sexual orientation?

Look if you have a Catholic charity that wants to hire from within a closed universe of Catholics then I have no problem with them doing whatever they want.

But when they recruit from the broader society at large then they must conform to certain societal standards.

stopbush

(24,396 posts)
2. Religious exemption = a government excuse to be a bigot.
Fri Jun 6, 2014, 04:48 PM
Jun 2014

Here's an idea: before you get your exemption, give us some objective proof that your religious beliefs aren't based on make believe. Until then, they're a simple conceit that the world needs stop granting.

cbayer

(146,218 posts)
4. Say what? Do you want to repeal the 1st amendment?
Fri Jun 6, 2014, 04:54 PM
Jun 2014

You go way, way further than the groups that are protesting this.

And who is "us"?

Hate to break it to you, but "the world" is composed primarily of believers and the "simple conceit" that you want to revoke is really just your own simple conceit.

stopbush

(24,396 posts)
6. Indeed, I would like to amend the First Amendment to do away with the special carve out religion
Fri Jun 6, 2014, 05:18 PM
Jun 2014

gets in this country. I said amend. Not repeal. The First Amendment can stand without the religious carve out.

Religious beliefs are the stuff of fairy tales, and they should be regarded on the same level as fairy tales.

The Founders set up our Constitution to be amended. The 4th Amendment has already been greatly diluted. Prohibition was overturned by another amendment. So getting rid of religion's exalted status in the Constitution in this day and age should be no surprise, nor should it be looked at as something that will never happen.

It's time American society grew up and cast off these infantile religious beliefs - and by that, I mean Christianity - that sit at the very core of 95% of the troubles in the country.

And, I hate to break it to you, but it is the very definition of the word "conceit" that religious belief is allowed to wear a mantle of respectability when it is based entirely on make believe, and that said respectability allows religion to have a say in the law of the land and in how the non-religious are governed. What other human endeavor is given such power when based upon nothing but conceited opinion? Not fact, not even history. Just pure conceit. There is no other human endeavor that is so treated.

The sooner religion - all religion - dies, the better.

cbayer

(146,218 posts)
7. Well, since that's not going to happen and not what the founding fathers ever, ever
Fri Jun 6, 2014, 05:23 PM
Jun 2014

intended, you are tilting at windmills. I would say that is the stuff of fairy tales and infantile thinking.

Your position is really extreme and your use of language grossly insulting. You do progressives and liberal no favors at all.

Good luck with that approach. See you around the campfire.

stopbush

(24,396 posts)
8. Buh-bye. If my last post finally served to stop your responding to my posts, it's a blessing.
Fri Jun 6, 2014, 05:32 PM
Jun 2014

A non-religious blessing.

BTW - you do rational thinkers no favors.

cbayer

(146,218 posts)
5. Really good explanation of this.
Fri Jun 6, 2014, 04:54 PM
Jun 2014

I was not aware of the details or nuance of the objections and this lays it out really well.

I hope they are successful in getting the changes they are seeking.

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