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cbayer

(146,218 posts)
Mon Jun 9, 2014, 03:59 PM Jun 2014

Academic, activist or apatheist: What kind of unbeliever are you?

http://www.religionnews.com/2014/06/09/academic-activist-apatheist-kind-unbeliever/

Kimberly Winston | Jun 9, 2014

(RNS) In his book “In Faith and In Doubt: How Religious Believers and Nonbelievers Can Create Strong Marriages and Loving Families,” author Dale McGowan writes that just as no one religion’s believers agree on everything, neither do all nonbelievers.

Drawing on a 2013 University of Tennessee study, he identifies six different types of atheists and agnostics:

1. The Academic – Intellectual activities such as reading, discussion and healthy debate are at the heart (or brain) of the Academic atheist’s self-image. These atheists prefer to associate with others who have the same intellectual approach to life, even if their opinions are different, as long as they are well-informed. They often engage with others, both online and in person, around topics of mutual interest, including skepticism and freethought. Academics made up 37.6 percent of the nonbelievers in the study — more than one in three.

2. The Activist – These people want to change the world. It’s not just atheist-related issues they’re interested in. They are engaged in the struggle for civil rights (including feminism and LGBT rights), environmental concerns, animal rights and other prominent social issues. Nearly one in four nonbelievers in the study (23 percent) were classified as the Activist type.

3. The Seeker-Agnostic – Seeker-Agnostics recognize that it’s hard to make confident statements about metaphysical beliefs. They see open-mindedness as a major virtue, recognize the limits of human knowledge and experience, and embrace uncertainty. Some say they miss being a believer in some way, whether the social benefits, or the emotional ones, or the connection it gave them to friends and family. Some continue to identify as religious or spiritual, even though they do not believe in God.
Seeker-Agnostics made up 7.6 percent of the respondents — about 1 in 13.

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rug

(82,333 posts)
1. As this points out the Anti-Theist is atypical, for good reason.
Mon Jun 9, 2014, 04:09 PM
Jun 2014
4. The Anti-Theist – The Anti-Theist doesn’t just disbelieve religious claims but is actively, diametrically and categorically opposed to them and to the influence they have on the world. In the words of the researchers, the Anti-Theist “proactively and aggressively” asserts his or her view, challenging religious ideology as dangerous ignorance that harms human dignity and well-being, and tends to see individuals associated with religion as “backward and socially detrimental.” Many of the most prominent and well-known voices in modern atheism, including Christopher Hitchens, are best described as Anti-Theists. Even though they are often seen as the “typical” atheist, Anti-Theists made up only 14.8 percent of the nonbelievers in the survey — one in seven.

cbayer

(146,218 posts)
3. I thought the percentage breakdowns were interesting, too.
Mon Jun 9, 2014, 04:37 PM
Jun 2014

Clearly we have a skewed population posting in this room. I would love to see more balance, but I am not optimistic, as those that don't toe the party line are quickly bullied out of the room most of the time.

AtheistCrusader

(33,982 posts)
9. That's a pretty rude assertion on your part.
Tue Jun 10, 2014, 01:32 AM
Jun 2014

There are of course, other possibilities, such as but not limited to 'mild' atheists having no interest in a religion forum, being uninterested in religion OR debate about religion.

If you're going to assume any one particular (rather negative) solution to the question, I'm going to have to ask for data to back up the assertion.

cbayer

(146,218 posts)
10. I've been around long enough to have a pretty good understanding
Tue Jun 10, 2014, 09:34 AM
Jun 2014

of the dynamic of the room. I moderated it for hers before booming a participant.

You may disagree with me and you may think it's rude, but that's my observation of what has happened here. It has changed over time. The bullies used to fully own it - not so much any more.

I am am hopeful that that evolution will continue.

This is not a data driven opinion, it's just an observation. Take it or leave it.

Jim__

(14,072 posts)
4. The study is titled "Non-Belief in America Research" - but it's heavily skewed toward the South.
Mon Jun 9, 2014, 04:58 PM
Jun 2014

From the study:



Given that the South is the Bible Belt, I wonder of the percentages, by type, are representative of the entire country.

cbayer

(146,218 posts)
5. Agree. Honestly, I don't put a lot of stake in these kinds of "studies"
Mon Jun 9, 2014, 05:05 PM
Jun 2014

or surveys, and in this one in particular.

But I thought his breakdown was interesting if one wants to begin to look at and talk about sub-groups within atheism.

 

skepticscott

(13,029 posts)
8. You seemed determine to apply invented labels to people
Mon Jun 9, 2014, 05:26 PM
Jun 2014

While also preaching that it's a rude and inappropriate thing to do.

So which is it?

LostOne4Ever

(9,287 posts)
6. I belong to none of those groups
Mon Jun 9, 2014, 05:17 PM
Jun 2014

I am a group unto myself

Seriously though, there are things I like and dislike about this study.

I like that it shows the diversity among nonbelievers, but I feel that creating these arbitrary labels results in unnecessary editorializing and distracts from the real data. The labels themselves feel loaded and to a degree read like a horoscope. Who wouldn't want to be an intellectual or open-minded? Who wants to be seen as aggressive?

And how many people had traits from multiple groups? Can not a person feel religion is a force for ill and be an activist at the same time? Can't one be a non-believer because they are not interested but otherwise fit the intellectual label as well? What criteria was used to determine which group to lump people in if they didn't perfectly fit their label? Yet the numbers all conveniently add up to 99.9%.

I think it would have been better if they simply listed the individual traits they were measuring and the percentages involved.

cbayer

(146,218 posts)
7. I think you make some great points, and honestly, I think everyone
Mon Jun 9, 2014, 05:24 PM
Jun 2014

is a group unto themselves, when it comes down to it.

But we may be in a time when there is a need to better define subgroups.

I have many of the same concerns and criticisms that you do, but I also have these when I see some religious sub-group breakdowns.

Is there any valuing in labeling? I think there is in certain kinds of discussions or surveys. But I also think that labeling can be used in a negative way.

Anyway, it's an interesting way of looking at it, imo.

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