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rug

(82,333 posts)
Mon Jun 9, 2014, 09:30 PM Jun 2014

Maleficent vs the Grinch: Angelina Jolie takes Professor Richard Dawkins to task

* Actress says fairytales play important role in how she raises her six children

* Adds children should have a bit of childhood for as long as they can

* Comes as Professor Richard Dawkins says fairytales may harm children

* He questioned whether children should be led to believe in Santa Claus



By Sam Creighton
Published: 11:38 EST, 6 June 2014 | Updated: 15:08 EST, 6 June 2014

As sparring partners go, a Hollywood actress and an evolutionary biologist would not appear to be a natural fit.

However, Oscar-winner Angelina Jolie, 39, and controversial scientist Professor Richard Dawkins, 73, have found themselves inadvertently at loggerheads over whether children should be allowed to read fairytales.

Miss Jolie, who plays an evil fairy godmother in her latest film Maleficent – a spin on the classic story of Sleeping Beauty – said fairytales play an important role in how she raises her six children, using ‘a little magic’ to impart important moral lessons.

‘The other day, one of the kids lost a tooth and I talked about the tooth fairy. Half of them are old enough to think: “What are you talking about,” yet they’re still not sure there isn’t something.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2650810/Maleficent-vs-Grinch-Angelina-Jolie-takes-Professor-Richard-Dawkins-task-saying-shouldnt-teach-children-myth-Santa-Claus.html

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Maleficent vs the Grinch: Angelina Jolie takes Professor Richard Dawkins to task (Original Post) rug Jun 2014 OP
Dailymail article LostOne4Ever Jun 2014 #1
But it has so much information on Tuam. rug Jun 2014 #2
Dunno. AtheistCrusader Jun 2014 #3
When I hit 12 Dorian Gray Jun 2014 #5
I did. Then we'd talk about it. rug Jun 2014 #6
Jolie is begging a question though. AtheistCrusader Jun 2014 #9
No tooth fairy? No Santa Claus? cbayer Jun 2014 #10
Lots of Disney adaptations of fairy tales. AtheistCrusader Jun 2014 #11
My parents prohibited things that were gratuitously violent to a large degree. cbayer Jun 2014 #12
And also nightmare fuel. AtheistCrusader Jun 2014 #13
Just saw Maleficent and I liked it. It has a very interesting trublu992 Jun 2014 #4
Yes, the plot twist opened up a whole new dimension. rug Jun 2014 #7
Fairy tales are fine edhopper Jun 2014 #8
it actually reminds me of how in Victorian times they'd excise any mention of sirens/mermaids MisterP Jun 2014 #14

AtheistCrusader

(33,982 posts)
3. Dunno.
Tue Jun 10, 2014, 01:28 AM
Jun 2014

I don't read my kid fairy tales, especially the mother goose/grim type with the wolf eating the grandmother of LRRH, etc. Pretty horrible shit in those stories.

I also answer his questions, like when he asked me if the easter bunny was real. (No)
We just kinda do what the culture does from a high level, and when he's ready for the truth, he asks, and shall receive.


I can understand where both parties are coming from in this argument.

Dorian Gray

(13,479 posts)
5. When I hit 12
Tue Jun 10, 2014, 07:21 AM
Jun 2014

I LOVED those Grimm (and gruesome) fairy tales. But, yeah, my mother didn't read them to me when I was a child (nor do I read them to my three and a half year old).

I also loved mythology (especially Greek and Norse) when I was a pre-teen.

 

rug

(82,333 posts)
6. I did. Then we'd talk about it.
Tue Jun 10, 2014, 08:30 AM
Jun 2014

I take the same approach to talking to them about history, a far more dangerous fairy tale.

AtheistCrusader

(33,982 posts)
9. Jolie is begging a question though.
Tue Jun 10, 2014, 09:35 AM
Jun 2014

"Kids grow up fast enough these days, so let’s allow them to have a little bit of childhood for as long as they can."

In this case, that 'fairy tales' of any sort are a necessary or interesting component of childhood.

cbayer

(146,218 posts)
10. No tooth fairy? No Santa Claus?
Tue Jun 10, 2014, 09:40 AM
Jun 2014

No fairy tales? Do you let him watch Disney movies?

Is he allowed any fantasy at all?

AtheistCrusader

(33,982 posts)
11. Lots of Disney adaptations of fairy tales.
Tue Jun 10, 2014, 10:10 AM
Jun 2014

Not the same thing as Mother Goose Rhymes.
And we try to filter some of that through some things like the bechdel test.


There's plenty of fantasy out there that doesn't involve the wolf eating red riding hood's grandmother, or two of the 3 little pigs. Modern adaptations, like you find on Super-Why, and print materials of that nature.

He knows Santa isn't real. But he likes the version of Santa in Jack Frost, now that he's old enough to watch it.

cbayer

(146,218 posts)
12. My parents prohibited things that were gratuitously violent to a large degree.
Tue Jun 10, 2014, 10:14 AM
Jun 2014

They didn't let us watch the Three Stooges for example.

And they also prohibited things that were gratuitously sexist, like Barbie dolls.

But stories that were allegorical moral tales were used extensively to provoke thought and teach lessons, including fairy tales and biblical stories.

AtheistCrusader

(33,982 posts)
13. And also nightmare fuel.
Tue Jun 10, 2014, 10:18 AM
Jun 2014

I remember, at least back to age 3. I was actually a little angry when I found out how much of that stuff was total fiction.


This society is marinated in 'stranger danger' fears. (Despite being the vector of less than 10% of sexual violence perpetrators, etc.) Plenty of time to teach him about the risks some people do pose, without disturbing him about strangely determined wolves that wreck houses, and eat pigs.


And there are lots of modern adaptations that don't suck/terrify.

Approved version of three little pigs:
http://www.amazon.com/The-Three-Little-Pigs-Architectural/dp/0810989417
We read this one last night.
http://www.amazon.com/Tough-Chicks-Cece-Meng/dp/0618824154/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1402409894&sr=1-1&keywords=Tough+Chicks

trublu992

(489 posts)
4. Just saw Maleficent and I liked it. It has a very interesting
Tue Jun 10, 2014, 03:04 AM
Jun 2014

take on the whole prince true love meme.

edhopper

(33,479 posts)
8. Fairy tales are fine
Tue Jun 10, 2014, 09:04 AM
Jun 2014

at some point early on children understand the difference between fiction and non fiction. When they ask they should not be told the fiction is real. They know what "pretend" is.

‘The other day, one of the kids lost a tooth and I talked about the tooth fairy. Half of them are old enough to think: “What are you talking about,” yet they’re still not sure there isn’t something.

So does she lie to them? They will find out she is not telling the truth.

Stop lying to children, it is harmful.

MisterP

(23,730 posts)
14. it actually reminds me of how in Victorian times they'd excise any mention of sirens/mermaids
Tue Jun 10, 2014, 05:18 PM
Jun 2014

when they printed Columbus's logs (so the kiddies don't start experimenting with "fancy"--or, worse, Papism)

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