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cbayer

(146,218 posts)
Thu Jun 12, 2014, 01:03 PM Jun 2014

It’s okay to marry a Republican or Democrat, just not an atheist

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/wp/2014/06/12/its-okay-to-marry-a-republican-or-democrat-just-not-an-atheist/

BY SCOTT CLEMENT
June 12 at 11:27 am

When you're bringing that special person home to meet the family, remember this: it's God, not politics, that families will judge them on.

Family political arguments are as American as apple pie, but it turns out that people don't care much about partisanship when it comes to relationships. Fewer than one in 10 say they'd be "unhappy" if an immediate family member married a Republican or a Democrat, according to a new Pew Research Center poll which, on other fronts, tracked record levels of political polarization.

Perhaps blind to Thanksgiving debates to come (or relishing the prospect), more than three quarters say the politics of their future in-laws don't matter. One in seven would be happy with a partisan, so long as they're the "right" party. The poll finds pockets of discontent - 30 percent of Americans who have consistently conservative political views would frown upon a Democrat marrying into the family, as would 23 percent of solid liberals if a Republican married in. But even in these deeply political groups, the vast majority say they wouldn't care.



Marrying an atheist is far more controversial. Nearly half of the public, 49 percent, would be upset if a family member married "someone who doesn't believe in God." Discomfort with atheists joining the family far outpaces levels for gun owners (19 percent), someone without a college degree (14 percent), a different race (11 percent), or someone born and raised outside the United States (7 percent).



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It’s okay to marry a Republican or Democrat, just not an atheist (Original Post) cbayer Jun 2014 OP
We are Atheists. SamKnause Jun 2014 #1
I also think it's going to be the next significant civil rights movement. cbayer Jun 2014 #2
It is sad that some think today's "New Atheists" are to blame for hostility toward atheism. trotsky Jun 2014 #7
That's disgusting. Htom Sirveaux Jun 2014 #3
Tribalism can be both a positive and negative thing, imo. cbayer Jun 2014 #4
I agree with that prescription, and I hope you are right. Htom Sirveaux Jun 2014 #5
I think you are right. cbayer Jun 2014 #6
I do worry about Roe, Htom Sirveaux Jun 2014 #8
Agree that abortion is the more vulnerable issue. cbayer Jun 2014 #9

SamKnause

(13,089 posts)
1. We are Atheists.
Thu Jun 12, 2014, 01:46 PM
Jun 2014

We are feared.

We are maligned.

We are hated.

We are accused of untrustworthiness.

We are called sinners.

We are belittled.

We are constantly under attack.

We are constantly battling for the enforcement of "Separation of Church and State".

We are discriminated against in the workplace.

We are discriminated against by our government.


cbayer

(146,218 posts)
2. I also think it's going to be the next significant civil rights movement.
Thu Jun 12, 2014, 01:48 PM
Jun 2014

Data like this really spotlights the problem.

I thought the statistics about liberal and conservative positions on atheists was relatively good news. We have an opportunity to make this an issue and really make a change.

trotsky

(49,533 posts)
7. It is sad that some think today's "New Atheists" are to blame for hostility toward atheism.
Thu Jun 12, 2014, 04:13 PM
Jun 2014

When we've been hated even when we kept quiet.

Htom Sirveaux

(1,242 posts)
3. That's disgusting.
Thu Jun 12, 2014, 01:56 PM
Jun 2014

Religion that leaves people as tribal as they were (or worse, makes them more tribal), is religion that has failed and is in need of reform.

cbayer

(146,218 posts)
4. Tribalism can be both a positive and negative thing, imo.
Thu Jun 12, 2014, 02:06 PM
Jun 2014

The bigger issue seems to be lack of understanding of and/or exposure to other tribes.

Zach Wahls, who wrote "My Two Moms" had a great idea. He would hold small dinner parties for two couples who were friends. One would be a straight couple he knew to be relatively homophobic and the other a gay couple.

His intent was not to discuss GLBT civil rights issues and did not tell either couple much about the other. His intent was just for them to get to know each other, and his results were very, very positive.

It's hard to maintain bigotry and mistrust for a group when you start to meet them personally and they don't match your stereotyped prejudices.

Anyway, it's little things like that that can make big differences.

I think things are going to change and change relatively quickly when it comes to atheism in this country.

Htom Sirveaux

(1,242 posts)
5. I agree with that prescription, and I hope you are right.
Thu Jun 12, 2014, 04:07 PM
Jun 2014

I think a lot of anti-atheist hysteria is created by conservative church leaders who don't want yet more competition. The only competition they need is the imaginary kind that they can use to scare their followers. Up until now, there hasn't been a lot of pushback on their demonization of atheists.

The biggest mistake conservatives made, in the long run, was to turn their churches into extensions of the Republican Party. That opened the door for people to leave those churches when they stopped agreeing with the politics on offer. All higher meaning that might have kept them there was drained out in the rush to create political cadres.

cbayer

(146,218 posts)
6. I think you are right.
Thu Jun 12, 2014, 04:09 PM
Jun 2014

A significant number of people, particularly evangelicals, feel betrayed and used. They were promised action on two big issues - abortion and GLBT marriage.

Although some inroads were made, Roe v. Wade still stands an GLBT civil rights has made great strides. The neocons used those issues to capture the voting bloc, but it really wasn't high on their agenda, imo.

At any rate, I agree with you that it backfired in many ways.

Htom Sirveaux

(1,242 posts)
8. I do worry about Roe,
Thu Jun 12, 2014, 04:14 PM
Jun 2014

with all the restrictions that get passed any time Republicans get into power in a state. It's the one area of their movement where they still have any energy. Homophobia is done, and defending the 1% is hardly popular with anyone who hasn't had their brain permanently wired into FOX News. But fighting choice can still get people to the polls.

cbayer

(146,218 posts)
9. Agree that abortion is the more vulnerable issue.
Thu Jun 12, 2014, 04:16 PM
Jun 2014

Democrats really need to up their efforts on state and local levels. I predict some pro-choice backlash and reversal of some decisions over the next year or two, but it's going to take work.

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