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beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
Tue Jun 17, 2014, 01:54 AM Jun 2014

Ireland was no country for young women but for men another story

Opinion piece about the women and children in those homes for unwed mothers:

Ireland was no country for young women but for men another story
Cahir O'Doherty
June 14,2014


The unwed mothers of the homes were simply not valued and neither were their children. The statistics make this plain. The death rate for “illegitimate” Irish children was between three and five times that of “legitimate” children from the 1920’s through the late 1940’s.

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What Ireland did with the help and instruction of the religious orders in the twentieth century was to remove love and responsibility from each man's actions, by replacing them with judgment and condemnation.

The society they created together is what we’re looking at now.

We know now that tens of thousands of Irishmen abandoned the women they impregnated and the child that was the result, over and over again, for most of the the 20 century.

They did this without injury to their livelihoods or reputations. They discovered they could walk between the raindrops, so they did.

But for Irish women - and their children - it was another story. They became the focus of a lifelong, religiously inspired shame that marked their lives.

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It was inevitable that the unspeakable shame that was attached to the mother would be attached to the child. We already have multiple eyewitness accounts to confirm this.

Women disappeared, children disappeared, by the tens of thousands, for decades, into those disastrous gulags. Anyone who thinks this story will soon blow over had not been paying attention.

http://www.irishcentral.com/opinion/cahirodoherty/No-country-for-young-women-of-Ireland-but-for-men-another-story.html

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Ireland was no country for young women but for men another story (Original Post) beam me up scottie Jun 2014 OP
all thanks be given to the Catholic Church and its "family values" nt msongs Jun 2014 #1
Without reproductive freedom millions of women and children will remain impoverished. beam me up scottie Jun 2014 #3
Because they want it both ways AtheistCrusader Jun 2014 #6
But..but..they run SOUP KITCHENS skepticscott Jun 2014 #8
Gosh, I wonder where that bullshit came from. AtheistCrusader Jun 2014 #2
I want to hear what the pro-feminism posters in this forum think. beam me up scottie Jun 2014 #4
Depends. AtheistCrusader Jun 2014 #5
Ireland’s portrayal of itself as the purest, holiest or richest country has brought us lies beam me up scottie Jun 2014 #7

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
3. Without reproductive freedom millions of women and children will remain impoverished.
Tue Jun 17, 2014, 02:59 AM
Jun 2014

If abortion is so "horrific" why not allow women to use birth control?


AtheistCrusader

(33,982 posts)
6. Because they want it both ways
Tue Jun 17, 2014, 03:25 AM
Jun 2014

Interfering with conception is clearly 'interfering with god's plan', but at the same time, for entirely non-gods-plan reasons, the woman is a shameful sinner for getting pregnant out of wedlock.


You know, mind-bendingly Evil horror. Keeps the pews full, I guess.

 

skepticscott

(13,029 posts)
8. But..but..they run SOUP KITCHENS
Wed Jun 18, 2014, 08:44 PM
Jun 2014

for all of those impoverished women. Which makes everything all better.

AtheistCrusader

(33,982 posts)
2. Gosh, I wonder where that bullshit came from.
Tue Jun 17, 2014, 02:53 AM
Jun 2014

" the unspeakable shame that was attached to the mother "


Hmm. I wonder, who might have come up with that and why...

AtheistCrusader

(33,982 posts)
5. Depends.
Tue Jun 17, 2014, 03:21 AM
Jun 2014

If you threw it in GD, it would get all the outrage and derision it deserves.

Here in this sub-forum, it'll be met with apologia and dismissal, and it'll sink.


It's a 'nature of the audience' thing. That's my prediction anyway.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
7. Ireland’s portrayal of itself as the purest, holiest or richest country has brought us lies
Wed Jun 18, 2014, 07:29 PM
Jun 2014
Ireland’s portrayal of itself as the purest, holiest or richest country has brought us lies and exclusion
Opinion: Why Irish delusions of being the ‘best’ gives the worst result
Fintan O'Toole
Tue, Jun 17, 2014

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It’s easy to understand why Catholic Ireland became so hyper-virtuous. A long history of denigration, humiliation and subjection creates a profound distortion. It is not enough to be as good as anybody else – you have to be better, indeed the best: uniquely wonderful. But this fantasy is not harmless. At best, it feeds a deluded detachment from reality. At worst, you have to hide, exclude, deny, those who threaten to spoil the picture of perfection.

Unlike the extreme versions of such dark utopias in Nazi Germany or Stalin’s Soviet Union, independent Ireland did not actually exterminate the spoilers of its unique purity. But it did get rid of them – mostly through emigration but also, notoriously, in its vast system of “coercive confinement”: industrial schools, Magdalene laundries, mother and baby homes and mental hospitals.


‘Impure’ women
Thus, the appalling treatment of “impure” women in these institutions was a direct consequence of the insistence that Irish femininity was uniquely pure. This was a key point of national difference: England seethed with sex and sin, Ireland was a paradise of continence and virginity.

This unique virtue in turn compensated for the real economic failures of the new State – what did it matter that we were poor, backward and exporting half our population? Our values were not material but spiritual. And, as Eamon de Valera openly claimed, this unmatched holiness would do nothing less than save the world: “Ireland today has no dearer hope than this: that, true to her own holiest traditions, she may humbly serve the truth and help by truth to save the world.”

This fantasy may have been risible, but for those who had to be locked away to keep it alive it was no laughing matter.

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/ireland-s-portrayal-of-itself-as-the-purest-holiest-or-richest-country-has-brought-us-lies-and-exclusion-1.1834382


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