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Related: About this forumPope Francis says he opposes making recreational drugs legal
Pope Francis spoke out Friday against legalizing recreational drugs, telling participants at the International Drug Enforcement Conference in Rome that, "Drug addiction is an evil, and with evil there can be no yielding or compromise."
As public opinion shifts on the use of recreational drugs, two U.S. states have made marijuana use legal and several other states, cities and countries have decriminalized its use or have announced plans to do so.
But Francis said such policies are "not only highly questionable from a legislative standpoint, but they fail to produce the desired effects," he said.
"To think that harm can be reduced by permitting drug addicts to use narcotics in no way resolves the problem," he said.
http://www.cnn.com/2014/06/20/justice/pope-francis-legalized-drugs/
Lock em up and trow away da key!
Stay classy Francis.
MannyGoldstein
(34,589 posts)From what I can tell, seems to just be narcotics, but I can't find a transcript.
I agree that narcotics should be illegal. Not pot though, of course.
Warren Stupidity
(48,181 posts)So the Christian thing to do with drug addicts is to throw them in jail? WWJD?
MannyGoldstein
(34,589 posts)And I wonder what he'd prefer for penalties.
Warren Stupidity
(48,181 posts)Isn't the junkie the very symbol of the downtrodden and miserable person that Jesus would have met with love and compassion rather than demanding that the junkie be tossed in jail? It is massively unchristian to support the stupid ass war on drugs.
MannyGoldstein
(34,589 posts)okasha
(11,573 posts)said anything about tossing the "junkie" in jail?
I somehow don't think Jesus would hand an addict a baggie of crack. Ever hear of rehab?
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(82,333 posts)okasha
(11,573 posts)followed by a trip to a shelter.
I know and have worked to get funding for people who do this kind of heartbreaking frontline work. It requires enormous emotional and spiritual strength to keep at it day after day, night after night.
rug
(82,333 posts)Warren Stupidity
(48,181 posts)Plus just about every other drug warrior politician, which would be just about all of them. Criminalization of drug addiction is a greater harm to society than drug addiction itself. The drug warrior idiots who pay lip service to rehab retain the stick of incarceration for users who just won't behave.
okasha
(11,573 posts)Care to point us to someplace other than your imagination where Francis says "Throw the user in jail?"
Warren Stupidity
(48,181 posts)He wants to continue criminalization of use if all drugs, except of course alcohol tobacco and the vast corporate pharmacopeia, and in many countries, including our own, that means throwing users in jail. If you think he opposes throwing users in jail, please support that claim, as what he said today indicated otherwise.
okasha
(11,573 posts)You made the positive claim that Francis wants users incarcerated. You get to show us where he actually said that.
As you know, users don't usually go to jail unless they're in possession of an amount in excess of a "personal use" quantity, in which case they're assumed to be dealing.
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rug
(82,333 posts)Here's a translation.
Distinguished Ladies and gentlemen, I am pleased to meet you at the end of the International Drug Enforcement Conference. I thank you for your visit and I express my appreciation for the work that you carry out addressing a problem so serious and complex of our time. I hope that these roman days mark a fruitful stage in your commitment.
In particular, I hope that you will reach the objectives you have set yourselves: to coordinate drug policies, share information and develop an operational strategy aimed at the contrast of drug trafficking. Perhaps in the drug trafficking actions are those that make more money in the market. And this is tragic.
The scourge of drugs continues to rage in shapes and impressive dimensions, powered by a market obscene, which overrides national borders and continental. In this manner continues to increase the danger for young people and adolescents. Faced with this phenomenon, I feel the need to express my pain and my concern.
I would like to say very clearly: the drugs are not overcome with drugs! The drugs and an evil, and evil there can be no surrender or compromise. Imagine being able to reduce the damage, allowing the use of psychoactive drugs to those people who continue to use drugs, doesn't solve the problem entirely.The legalisation of the so-called 'soft drugs', even if partial, in addition to being as less objectionable on the legislative level, do not produce the effects that had assigned themselves. The replacement drugs, then, are not sufficient treatment, but a veiled way of surrendering to the phenomenon. I wish to reiterate what has already been said on another occasion: no to drugs of every kind. Simply. No to any type of drugs (cf. General Audience, 7 May 2014).
But to say this no, you have to say yes to life, to love, it is to others, is education, to sport, at work, you are a more job opportunities. A couple that did not work, let us consider it. I think that the figure is 75 million, in Europe. I think, I'm not sure, don't want to say a thing that is not. But we think of a couple: neither, nor. Neither study nor works. Enters this lack of horizon, hope, and the first offer are the dependencies, including drugs.
This ... Job opportunities, education, sports, healthy life: this is the road of drug prevention. If you realize these "yes", there is no place for drugs, there is no place for the abuse of alcohol and other addictions. The Church, faithful to the mandate of Jesus to go wherever there is a suffering human being, the thirsty, hungry, in prison (cf. Mt 25.31 -46), has not forsaken those who have fallen into a spiral of drugs, but with his creative love went their meeting. She took them by the hand, through the work of so many workers and volunteers, because they could rediscover their dignity, by helping to resurrect those resources, those personal talents that the drugs had buried, but that he could not clear, since every man is created in the image and likeness of God (Gn 1,26 ). But this work of recovery is very limited, it is not sufficient. We need to work on prevention. This will do very well.
The example of so many young people who, desiring to escape to the dependence on the drugs, undertake to rebuild their lives, and a stimulus to look forward with confidence.
Distinguished Ladies and gentlemen, I encourage you to continue your work with always great hope. I wish you the best, and I cordially bless you all. Thanks.
A fairly conventional statement. Not up to Warren's usual shit-stirring standards when it concerns anything Catholic.
MannyGoldstein
(34,589 posts)I'm seeing a call for opportunity so that people don't turn to drugs in dispair.
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(82,333 posts)Erich Bloodaxe BSN
(14,733 posts)Damn straight, your Holiness! Now let's see, what drug are more people addicted to than any other? Could it be... alcohol?
No compromise! Make it illegal, no more wine for masses!
1 Timothy 5:23 - Drink no longer water, but use a little wine for thy stomach's sake and thine often infirmities.
Isaiah 25:6 - And in this mountain shall the LORD of hosts make unto all people a feast of fat things, a feast of wines on the lees, of fat things full of marrow, of wines on the lees well refined.
Proverbs 31:6 - Give strong drink unto him that is ready to perish, and wine unto those that be of heavy hearts.
Psalms 104:15 - And wine [that] maketh glad the heart of man, [and] oil to make [his] face to shine, and bread [which] strengtheneth man's heart.
John 2:10 - And saith unto him, Every man at the beginning doth set forth good wine; and when men have well drunk, then that which is worse: [but] thou hast kept the good wine until now.
Proverbs 31 : 7 - Let him drink, and forget his poverty, and remember his misery no more.
Zechariah 9:17 - For how great [is] his goodness, and how great [is] his beauty! corn shall make the young men cheerful, and new wine the maids.
Joel 2:19 - Yea, the LORD will answer and say unto his people, Behold, I will send you corn, and wine, and oil, and ye shall be satisfied therewith: and I will no more make you a reproach among the heathen:
And on, and on. Now admittedly, there are just as many Bible passages that are against drunkenness and excess.
But what the Bible actually teaches is not to abstain from drugs (yes, alcohol is a drug), but simply not to use them in excess, the same way it speaks out against using anything in excess.
So sure, fight against addiction, but prohibition is not in line with what the Bible actually preaches.
Warren Stupidity
(48,181 posts)It was simply a guide to healthy living.
okasha
(11,573 posts)were submitted for legalization under the same guidelines as other substances today, do you think they'd be approved?
Erich Bloodaxe BSN
(14,733 posts)and nicotine probably wouldn't either, although I'd have to hit my textbooks to make sure.
I do know alcohol has medical uses, since it's used to treat certain kinds of antifreeze poisoning, for instance.
okasha
(11,573 posts)as an antiseptic and anaesthetic. We have better options today. I'm not for prohibiting it, by the way That's been tried, and it doesn't work. There's no doubt that it can do great harm when abused, though. The Pope is right: education and prevention.
Nicotine, on the other hand, is a stone-cold killer. The only reason it's not prohibited is the political influence of the corpoations that make their money off it.
skepticscott
(13,029 posts)has his priorities straight. The arrogance of the man and his organization is staggering.
Towlie
(5,324 posts)If he didn't base his position on any Biblical references but deferred to his own instinctive morality, he effectively laid to rest the common but fallacious Christian claim that morals come from the Bible and atheists therefore can't be trusted.
If he wanted to base his position on Christian doctrine then it would have been easy for him say, for example, that "God gave us free will but addictive drugs take it away." I'm just wondering if he did that, or presented his position as simply his own opinion.
Warren Stupidity
(48,181 posts)oh never mind. Religious morality is complete gobbledy-gook anyway. Whatever the Big Guy said.
Pope appears to not make a distinction between addictive drugs like alcohol tobacco and heroin and non addictive drugs like marijuana.
Schema Thing
(10,283 posts)WovenGems
(776 posts)Wishing don't make it real and making it illegal won't make it disappear.
Warpy
(111,237 posts)to a genuine religious experience (see: ayahuasca, peyote). Once that happens, people start asking questions about ritual based religions and that decreases contributions.
This is just more proof that the doctrine of papal infallibility is hooey. They're human. They fail.
Act_of_Reparation
(9,116 posts)...of course he's against drug use, he doesn't like competition.
okasha
(11,573 posts)only when the Pope speaks ex cathedra on a matter of faith and morals. It has been invoked exactly twice.
It has nothing to do with the day to day statements of the Pope or with a his preference for a particular flavor of ice cream.
Lordquinton
(7,886 posts)He's wrong again, unsurprisingly. Decriminalization would go a long way to helping solve our addiction issues, as well as removing the stigma of being an addict, would put it more into the status of alcohol, like the people who drink blood on Sundays and act all smug to the people who use other substances.
goldent
(1,582 posts)but that doesn't mean he shouldn't make his views known.
I think legalization will have positives and negatives. It will be some time before we find out the net result. I can only hope that it is positive.