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xchrom

(108,903 posts)
Sun Jun 22, 2014, 07:36 AM Jun 2014

Anyone Can Speak in Tongues

http://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2014/06/anyone-can-speak-in-tongues/373113/

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For most of Christian America, this is not an age of baptism. Among Southern Baptists, the country's largest evangelical Protestant denomination, the ritual has been in steady and steep decline. The same is true in mainline denominations, which are shrinking in general; Presbyterian churches, for example, have seen slow movement away from the rite for kids and adults for at least the past several years. The trend is most pronounced in the Catholic world: Last year, there were roughly half as many adult baptisms and roughly 25 percent fewer infant baptisms than there were a decade ago, according to this year's Official Catholic Directory.

Not so in the Assemblies of God. The Pentecostal denomination, which had roughly 3.1 million members in the United States as of 2013, has seen a steady rise in water baptisms over the past two and a half decades. But it has also seen steady participation in another kind of ritual: "Holy Spirit" baptisms, or an encounter with the divine that causes someone to speak in tongues. On the Assemblies of God website, the ritual is described as "a special work of the Spirit beyond salvation." The site cites several passages in the Bible, including experiences of Paul and Peter on the Pentecost in Acts, when the Holy Spirit is said to have descended upon the apostles. And, the site says, it can happen to anyone: "We believe the baptism in the Holy Spirit with the initial physical evidence of speaking in other tongues is the promise of the Father to every Christian who desires the experience."

Last year, roughly 2.7 percent of members of the Assemblies of God reported experiencing this kind of encounter with the Holy Spirit. Although instances of this kind of baptism has declined a little since 1997, they have been mostly consistent.



There could be many reasons why baptismal rites are declining in certain Christian denominations while they're thriving in others: It could have to do with individual church leaders, overall attendance, or even the social environment in Pentecostal congregations, which often involves spirited praying and singing. This is interesting from a religious perspective, but it's also sociologically fascinating—as are Holy Spirit baptisms themselves.
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pipoman

(16,038 posts)
1. A friend of mine went to
Sun Jun 22, 2014, 07:48 AM
Jun 2014

A "charismatic pentecostal" seminary. There he was told to start speaking in tongues he should practice by repeating "I gotta honda, you gotta honda" then proceed from there....he claimed it was suggested in seriousness.

xchrom

(108,903 posts)
2. i wasn't churched that way --
Sun Jun 22, 2014, 07:54 AM
Jun 2014

so this all not very understandable to me.

baptism was a rite of passage -- i just don't get 'charismatics'.

 

pipoman

(16,038 posts)
4. They believe that you are both baptized by water,
Sun Jun 22, 2014, 08:07 AM
Jun 2014

and the Holy Spirit. With the baptism of the Holy Spirit come the 'gifts of the spirit,.

1 Corinthians 12 7-10

7 The Holy Spirit is given to each of us in a special way. That is for the good of all. 8 To some people the Spirit gives the message of wisdom. To others the same Spirit gives the message of knowledge. 9 To others the same Spirit gives faith. To others that one Spirit gives gifts of healing. 10 To others he gives the power to do miracles. To others he gives the ability to prophesy. To others he gives the ability to tell the spirits apart. To others he gives the ability to speak in different kinds of languages they had not known before. And to still others he gives the ability to explain what was said in those languages.

Churches that practice speaking in to tongues also practice interpretation of the tongues. The speaker stands and speaks some gibberish aloud, then someone else stands and proclaims the interpretation.

xchrom

(108,903 posts)
5. yeah - i can SEE it -- i know what it is
Sun Jun 22, 2014, 08:10 AM
Jun 2014

but raised and churched in the 50's - this stuff is pretty - um - different - for me and i would guess i'm not alone.

 

pipoman

(16,038 posts)
7. It has been going on for a very long time
Sun Jun 22, 2014, 08:13 AM
Jun 2014

Some of the Southern Baptists have practiced it for many generations iirc.

xchrom

(108,903 posts)
8. i was raised in peoria.
Sun Jun 22, 2014, 08:17 AM
Jun 2014

middling conformity was the rule.

nothing to stand out was very important.

and in the denominations -- there was no arguing with science -- the 'magical' qualities of the faith were never discussed -- it was always hunger drives, 'good news', church supper events.

sigh - i'm getting old.

 

pipoman

(16,038 posts)
9. Same here...I was in my 20's before any of this was explained to me. .
Sun Jun 22, 2014, 08:34 AM
Jun 2014

My friend and I visited churches as a hobby for a while. The most memorable was an Apostlistic church. When the service began the pastor was standing behind the pulpit. He said in a quiet tone, 'I see we have some guests today, please welcome them', then he said 'this isn't your regular church service, the spirit is here...you won't be falling asleep during this service!'. With that he let out a very loud whoop as he lept from the stage landing on the back of the first pew, then ran on the backs of the pews all the way to the back of the sanctuary, turned around and ran back to the front on the pew backs whooping and hollaring all the way...the service lasted for 2 hours and I didn't nod off once...

kickitup

(355 posts)
11. Baptism "saves" you . . .
Sun Jun 22, 2014, 09:19 AM
Jun 2014

according to the church I was raised in - a fundamentalist Church of Christ here in rural Kentucky. My whole family still attends but I left in my mid-twenties. Salvation is very much determined by whether or not one is baptized and the baptism MUST be by immersion and hopefully in the Church of Christ for it to "take."

My husband was raised in a mainline denomination where baptism pretty much was a rite of passage. He doesn't "get" it either and I told him he never will. I love him with all my heart, mainly because he helped me leave that church and is patient with me even years later when I get scared once again by thoughts of the fires of hell.

I have a friend who was also raised in a mainline denomination and I once asked her, "Do you worry about going to hell?" She said that she didn't, which absolutely floored me, because when I was growing up and still attended that church the question of whether one was going to hell or not was pretty much a constant.

That's the part my husband cannot fathom - the fear I had and still have. One day, I was having a hard time (because like I said my family still attends and thinks I am indeed going to hell) and he said, "You are a spiritually damaged person." I wanted to protest for some reason, but after I thought about it, it was a relief to hear it from somebody. Instead of seeking, I kind of accept my lot now, knowing I won't ever know the answers but understanding that it's okay if I don't.

Didn't mean to ramble - sorry - and I know the post is about charismatics, which the Church of Christ is not, but they are still fundamentalist I think.

xchrom

(108,903 posts)
12. i totally get what you're saying.
Sun Jun 22, 2014, 09:40 AM
Jun 2014

for me and i think the time i grew up in -- being christian 'just was'.

we didn't agonize with what our place was in relation to whether we were 'saved'. we just were.

Arkansas Granny

(31,515 posts)
3. When I was growing up, the Pentecostal churches in the area
Sun Jun 22, 2014, 08:04 AM
Jun 2014

were considered to be a fringe religion, almost cultish. Now, they are mainstream and seem to be influencing other churches to adopt a more fundamentalist attitude. It's almost like they are in competition to see who can be the most Christian.

xchrom

(108,903 posts)
6. but a different kind of christian than we grew up with.
Sun Jun 22, 2014, 08:12 AM
Jun 2014

i'm out of my element with charismatics an unaffiliated evangelicals.

PotatoChip

(3,186 posts)
13. I never thought I'd miss the Roman Catholic Church
Sun Jun 22, 2014, 01:18 PM
Jun 2014

until my parents joined a very authoritarian charismatic christian sect when I was about 5. At least catholic services were reasonably short and predictable.The charismatic 'prayer meetings' were held in people's homes, and went on for what seemed like an eternity. And worse, for a child as young as I was at the time, the speaking in tongues stuff was downright creepy. I eventually got used to it, but not w/out lots of nightmares.

And then there were the constant at home 'bible studies'. This was the early/mid 70's so thankfully my siblings and I weren't home-schooled or we'd never have gotten a break from it. I don't think there was much of that home-schooling stuff going on at the time, because had there been, we probably would have been subjected to that too. Ugh!

I do remember having to fast once in awhile though, and that would include not eating at school. I remember being too embarrassed to explain, so I'd fib and just say that I forgot my lunch, and that I wasn't really hungry anyway. The funny thing about that whole ordeal was that I didn't fear the 'sin' of lying, yet was scared silly to break the fasting rule for the most ridiculous reason. -I was afraid that God would tell my parents that I ate something. Why I didn't worry about God telling them I had lied, I don't know... Lol, I guess I can laugh about this now, but the conundrum at the time was very real to me.

I used to love it when my aunt, uncle and cousins would come up for a visit, because we kids would consequently get a break from all of that stuff to attend catholic services with them. My aunt and uncle had thankfully remained devout catholics and lived quite a distance away, so when they'd visit, it'd usually be for about a week. I loved my cousins and hated to see them go back home, but mainly for that wonderful break.


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