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rug

(82,333 posts)
Mon Dec 1, 2014, 04:45 PM Dec 2014

Atheist Zombie Mohammed becomes Christian, complains about schoolteacher’s Star of David

By Eugene Volokh
December 1 at 11:25 AM 

Our readers might remember the Zombie Mohammed controversy. Atheist activist (Ernest Perce), who was marching as “Zombie Mohammed” in a Halloween parade (alongside a “Zombie Pope”), was attacked by an angry Muslim passerby, Talaag Elbayomy. When Elbayomy was prosecuted, Judge Mark Martin dismissed the charges, and berated Perce for his blasphemous behavior. Martin was eventually formally rebuked by Pennsylvania judicial authorities for this action.

But now Perce is back! He has apparently become an “Orthodox Christian,” and has filed a complaint against a Pennsylvania public school teacher for wearing a “Star of David” necklace. And the complaint, unfortunately, is legally quite plausible (at least assuming the necklace was a sign of religious adherence, and not just ethnic group membership), because the Pennsylvania Garb and Insignia Statute — 24 Pa. Stat. Ann. § 11-1112 (enacted 1895) — provides,

That no teacher in any public school shall wear in said school or while engaged in the performance of his duty as such teacher any dress, mark, emblem or insignia indicating the fact that such teacher is a member or adherent of any religious order, sect or denomination.

What’s more, U.S. v. Board of Ed. (3d Cir. 1990) rejected a constitutional challenge to the statute; Cooper v. Eugene School District No. 4J (Ore. 1986), appeal dismissed, 480 U.S. 942 (1987), likewise upheld a similar Oregon statute, though one limited to religious dress. (The Oregon Legislature repealed its statute in 2010 — over the objection of the ACLU of Oregon — but the Pennsylvania statute remains on the books.)

I think, though, that such statutes violate the Free Exercise Clause, because they discriminate against religious behavior; and, as I’ll note below, some recent cases so conclude. Religion-neutral statutes — for instance, that bar all jewelry worn by teachers, or set up a rigid dress code that excludes, say, all headgear, whether yarmulkes, headscarves, or anything else — would be judged under Title VII’s “reasonable accommodation” standard, and might or might not pass muster. But the Pennsylvania statute overtly and deliberately discriminates against religious behavior, and is thus unconstitutional. (I think the same of the former Oregon statute.)

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2014/12/01/atheist-zombie-mohammed-becomes-christian-complains-about-schoolteachers-star-of-david/

I wonder what the Atheist Zombie Pope is up to these days.
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Atheist Zombie Mohammed becomes Christian, complains about schoolteacher’s Star of David (Original Post) rug Dec 2014 OP
Oooohh!! Who saw this coming?? cbayer Dec 2014 #1
How convenient for you that every single atheist activist is a poe or an attention seeker or some AtheistCrusader Dec 2014 #19
What's his Discussionist username, I wonder? NYC_SKP Dec 2014 #2
Lol! rug Dec 2014 #3
I bet his sig line is something like: cbayer Dec 2014 #4
Well, yanno. NYC_SKP Dec 2014 #6
That's for sure, but the fervent believers and non-believers are easy cbayer Dec 2014 #8
judge invokes his religions beliefs in trial, that's the danger here.... msongs Dec 2014 #5
The judge was formally rebuked, but what do you think of the provocateur? cbayer Dec 2014 #7
I think he deserved to get the shit beaten out of him Goblinmonger Dec 2014 #9
I agree with that, but as it becomes more and more obvious that he is an agent cbayer Dec 2014 #10
I think people who aspire to faith should be a little more secure in said faith. AtheistCrusader Dec 2014 #20
Atheist returns to religion, apologizes to Greencastle-Antrim School Board struggle4progress Dec 2014 #11
Parent Removes Child From Class Because Teacher Wore Star Of David struggle4progress Dec 2014 #12
This guy reminds me of this other guy: NYC_SKP Dec 2014 #18
A young boy's dream of flight, crushed by the fascist state under Obama! When, oh when, will it end? struggle4progress Dec 2014 #21
Obvious case of cognitive dissonance and intellectual dishonesty. okasha Dec 2014 #13
To say nothing of the projection and passive aggressiveness. cbayer Dec 2014 #15
This JPG can be useful when discussing some people: struggle4progress Dec 2014 #14
That's L for Lisa, right? cbayer Dec 2014 #16
:) struggle4progress Dec 2014 #17

cbayer

(146,218 posts)
1. Oooohh!! Who saw this coming??
Mon Dec 1, 2014, 04:53 PM
Dec 2014

Need attention much, Mr. Perce?

So, if anyone had any questions about what an atheist Poe looks like, here is one. Oops, but now he is an christian Poe.

Wonder what he will be next?

AtheistCrusader

(33,982 posts)
19. How convenient for you that every single atheist activist is a poe or an attention seeker or some
Tue Dec 2, 2014, 02:27 AM
Dec 2014

other negative categorization, automatically, forever and ever, amen.

How convenient.

 

NYC_SKP

(68,644 posts)
2. What's his Discussionist username, I wonder?
Mon Dec 1, 2014, 04:57 PM
Dec 2014

I mean, if Atheist Zombie Pope isn't already taken, I might just have to scramble over there and claim it!

cbayer

(146,218 posts)
4. I bet his sig line is something like:
Mon Dec 1, 2014, 05:05 PM
Dec 2014

There's a sucker born very minute.

I should go back and dig up previous threads about him where those who wanted him to be for real got all apoplectic when the courts didn't rule in his favor following some very disruptive behavior.

He's a jerk, and not even an amusing one.

 

NYC_SKP

(68,644 posts)
6. Well, yanno.
Mon Dec 1, 2014, 05:19 PM
Dec 2014

Churches, temples, and synagogs by no means have a corner on the asshole-poser-scam artist market.

cbayer

(146,218 posts)
8. That's for sure, but the fervent believers and non-believers are easy
Mon Dec 1, 2014, 05:27 PM
Dec 2014

prey. All you have to do is say what they want to hear.

Happens around here all the time.

msongs

(67,365 posts)
5. judge invokes his religions beliefs in trial, that's the danger here....
Mon Dec 1, 2014, 05:18 PM
Dec 2014

blasphemy is a non-existant thing and not a crime and any judge proclaiming it to be so needs to be kept off the bench.

 

Goblinmonger

(22,340 posts)
9. I think he deserved to get the shit beaten out of him
Mon Dec 1, 2014, 06:27 PM
Dec 2014

No, wait, that doesn't sound like a reasonable position.

How about this: I think he should have the freedom of speech in this country to dress as zombie Muhammed and not fear for his safety.

Yep. That sounds better. YMMV

cbayer

(146,218 posts)
10. I agree with that, but as it becomes more and more obvious that he is an agent
Mon Dec 1, 2014, 06:30 PM
Dec 2014

provocateur, does that change your opinion of him?

He's also the guy that was going to burn some Qurans.

I believe that his goal has been to make atheists look bad.

It behooves people to be thoughtful before jumping on some bandwagons, both out in the real world and here.

AtheistCrusader

(33,982 posts)
20. I think people who aspire to faith should be a little more secure in said faith.
Tue Dec 2, 2014, 02:29 AM
Dec 2014

He's only a (alleged) provocateur if he gets a rise out of some thin skinned asshole.

struggle4progress

(118,236 posts)
11. Atheist returns to religion, apologizes to Greencastle-Antrim School Board
Mon Dec 1, 2014, 10:50 PM
Dec 2014

By PAT FRIDGEN, Echo Pilot
Posted Oct. 9, 2014 @ 11:40 am

... Ernest Perce V, Harrisburg, had asked Supt. Greg Hoover for permission to speak at the Oct. 2 meeting. He arrived with his two sons and a friend, and when given the floor, explained his dramatic change of heart ... “This is a huge turnaround for me,” Perce said. He stated 35,000 American Christians had been killed for their faith in 2013 ... He also became convinced, after reading a book by President Dwight D. Eisenhower, that Jesus was not a Jew, the Jewish holocaust never occurred, and 9/11 was caused by “the false state of Israel.” He now leads Jesus Was Not a Jew Ministries, with 40 followers. He and his wife intend to pull their boys, Praise, 12, and Apple, 5, out of public school, to be homeschooled while traveling with them on the preaching circuit.

http://www.echo-pilot.com/article/20141009/News/141009852

struggle4progress

(118,236 posts)
12. Parent Removes Child From Class Because Teacher Wore Star Of David
Mon Dec 1, 2014, 10:55 PM
Dec 2014

... Perce went on to tell ABC 27 that he was once an atheist, but recently became an Orthodox Christian. Two years ago, he protested the 2012 “Year of the Bible.” Perce reached out to the school’s district attorney and was not pleased with the response. The letter said that the school will not force the teacher to “discontinue wearing the religious symbol,” citing a ruling in western Pennsylvania that permitted a teacher assistant to wear a Christian cross.

http://radio.foxnews.com/2014/11/19/parent-removes-child-from-class-because-teacher-wore-star-of-david/

struggle4progress

(118,236 posts)
21. A young boy's dream of flight, crushed by the fascist state under Obama! When, oh when, will it end?
Tue Dec 2, 2014, 04:26 PM
Dec 2014

... Richard Heene was ultimately fined $47,000 and pleaded guilty to felony charges of attempting to influence a public servant. His wife, Mayumi, pleaded to a misdemeanor. Richard was sentenced to 90 days in jail. Mayumi was ordered to perform community service. The judge stipulated they could not profit from the incident during four years of probation ...
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cbayer

(146,218 posts)
15. To say nothing of the projection and passive aggressiveness.
Mon Dec 1, 2014, 11:08 PM
Dec 2014

Why, he might even be delusional!

Poor soul.

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