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Eugene

(61,859 posts)
Fri Oct 2, 2015, 04:44 PM Oct 2015

'Sense of regret' in Vatican over pope meeting with gay marriage opponent

Source: Reuters

US | Fri Oct 2, 2015 1:40pm EDT

'Sense of regret' in Vatican over pope meeting with gay marriage opponent

VATICAN CITY | BY PHILIP PULLELLA

Pope Francis' meeting last week with an American woman at the center of a row over gay marriage was not something he had sought and should not be seen as an endorsement of her views, the Vatican said on Friday.

One Vatican official said there was "a sense of regret" that the pope had ever seen Kim Davis, a Kentucky county clerk who went to jail in September for refusing to honor a U.S. Supreme Court ruling and issue same-sex marriage licenses.

The encounter in Washington was originally kept secret and has sparked widespread debate since it became public this week, proving something of a misstep for the pontiff.

Looking to smother the fierce controversy, Vatican spokesman Federico Lombardi said Davis was one of "several dozen" people who had been invited by the Vatican ambassador to see Francis during his visit to the U.S. capital.

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"The only real audience granted by the Pope at the Nunciature (Vatican embassy) was with one of his former students and his family," the statement said.

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Read more: http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/10/02/us-usa-pope-kentuckyclerk-idUSKCN0RW0UN20151002
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'Sense of regret' in Vatican over pope meeting with gay marriage opponent (Original Post) Eugene Oct 2015 OP
Here's a thought Kelvin Mace Oct 2015 #1
Of course that won't happen skepticscott Oct 2015 #2
There are no secrets anymore Cartoonist Oct 2015 #3
I've heard it said that a man will reap that which he sows, gather fleas from the dog he lies with Bluenorthwest Oct 2015 #4
Does he regret defending her "conscientious" objection to deny others their legal civil rights? beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #5
careful somebody thinks making a connection between that statement and support for Warren Stupidity Oct 2015 #6
Do they remind you of this?: beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #7
If 'authoritah' was spelled 'athoritah' it would be a perfect match. Warren Stupidity Oct 2015 #8
"I'm going to meet with a gay marriage opponent" Lordquinton Oct 2015 #9
LOL! beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #10
Why the regret? - isn't Wonderpope a "gay marriage opponent"? mr blur Oct 2015 #11
They regret people finding out about it. Act_of_Reparation Oct 2015 #22
If they regretted it they could do something to prove that...like giving this man his job back LostOne4Ever Oct 2015 #12
Do you know any straight Roman Catholic priests in a rekationship who still have their jobs? rug Oct 2015 #13
I can think of a few, LostOne4Ever Oct 2015 #14
Linking Fr. Cahasma with Kim Davis is a bit of a stretch. rug Oct 2015 #15
Again, that was not what I said LostOne4Ever Oct 2015 #16
There's lots of things they can do. What you suggested is not one of them. rug Oct 2015 #17
That's the problem, they won't do anything and their regret is hollow and meaningless. nt LostOne4Ever Oct 2015 #18
I don't believe in crystal balls. rug Oct 2015 #19
I believe in crystal balls, just not foresight LostOne4Ever Oct 2015 #20
Horseshit. PR spin and nothing more. Warren Stupidity Oct 2015 #21
 

skepticscott

(13,029 posts)
2. Of course that won't happen
Fri Oct 2, 2015, 05:56 PM
Oct 2015

Because her position on same-sex marriage is perfectly aligned with that of the RCC and its leader. If the pope had somehow been "tricked" into a meeting with an advocate of same-sex marriage, you can be certain that he and the Vatican would be announcing from the mountaintop that her viewpoint was NOT the church's. But they're playing a two-faced game and trying to appeal to gullible liberals as well as conservatives and hoping no one will notice.

Cartoonist

(7,314 posts)
3. There are no secrets anymore
Fri Oct 2, 2015, 06:22 PM
Oct 2015

Go to him now, he calls you, you can't refuse
When you ain't got nothing, you got nothing to lose
You're invisible now, you got no secrets to conceal.

Stay strong, Frank!

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
4. I've heard it said that a man will reap that which he sows, gather fleas from the dog he lies with
Fri Oct 2, 2015, 06:33 PM
Oct 2015

and that when one casts bread upon the waters it eventually comes back to you in ways which might cause a sense of regret.

When you realize you have wronged others repeatedly and you feel regret first you are supposed to cease the hurtful behavior, confess to the wrong and then correct the damage you have done as much as possible. I look forward to being witness to that process out of Francis.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
5. Does he regret defending her "conscientious" objection to deny others their legal civil rights?
Fri Oct 2, 2015, 06:37 PM
Oct 2015

In their OWN country?

What a hypocrite he is.

 

Warren Stupidity

(48,181 posts)
6. careful somebody thinks making a connection between that statement and support for
Fri Oct 2, 2015, 07:33 PM
Oct 2015

Kim Davis and the long history of this pope and this church actively opposing LGBTQ equality is nonsense.

Lordquinton

(7,886 posts)
9. "I'm going to meet with a gay marriage opponent"
Sat Oct 3, 2015, 11:32 AM
Oct 2015

is what he says when he excuses himself to go to the bathroom.

 

mr blur

(7,753 posts)
11. Why the regret? - isn't Wonderpope a "gay marriage opponent"?
Sat Oct 3, 2015, 04:19 PM
Oct 2015

Surely it was a meeting of, while not "great minds" at least "like minds"?

LostOne4Ever

(9,288 posts)
14. I can think of a few,
Sat Oct 3, 2015, 11:34 PM
Oct 2015

[font style="font-family:'Georgia','Baskerville Old Face','Helvetica',fantasy;" size=4 color=teal]but that is not really important because I didn't say anything about why they fired him or if they were justified in doing so or not.

What I said, was that if they regretted the meeting with Davis they could prove it by hiring him back. It would be a magnanimous gesture which could help heal this particular wound.




Edit: The article says he was fired because of the time of his coming out. Not for being gay or for breaking his vow of celibacy...though I don't think anyone can be faulted for thinking that those were major considerations for his being removed from his job[/font]

 

rug

(82,333 posts)
15. Linking Fr. Cahasma with Kim Davis is a bit of a stretch.
Sat Oct 3, 2015, 11:41 PM
Oct 2015

Do you really know active Roman Catholic priests who are in an open relationship?

The only provision for that is the Ordinariate established for Married Episcopal priests who join the RCC.

http://ordinariate.net/

LostOne4Ever

(9,288 posts)
16. Again, that was not what I said
Sat Oct 3, 2015, 11:53 PM
Oct 2015

[font style="font-family:'Georgia','Baskerville Old Face','Helvetica',fantasy;" size=4 color=teal]All I said, was that if they regretted it then they could prove it by doing something like hiring him back.

Further, the article specifically says he was fired solely for the time of his coming out...though Like I said in my edit I wouldn't blame anyone if they thought his orientation or his relationship were major (or even deciding) factors as well.

Besides it not like we haven't had priests who had illicit relationships and kept their jobs, or even a few popes...[/font]

LostOne4Ever

(9,288 posts)
20. I believe in crystal balls, just not foresight
Sun Oct 4, 2015, 12:19 AM
Oct 2015

[font style="font-family:'Georgia','Baskerville Old Face','Helvetica',fantasy;" size=4 color=teal]That why I don't give credence to those who say my former church will never change, and why I will continue pushing them to do so.

I might not believe anymore, but it is still the church of my family and my heritage.

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Warren Stupidity

(48,181 posts)
21. Horseshit. PR spin and nothing more.
Sun Oct 4, 2015, 09:11 AM
Oct 2015

The RCC actively opposed lgbtq equality. The RCC fights in our courts for religious exemptions for their non-religious institutions. The pope clearly stated his support for government officials to refuse to obey the laws. The pope has clearly stated his opposition to marriage equality.

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