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muriel_volestrangler

(101,265 posts)
Thu Aug 6, 2020, 05:42 PM Aug 2020

Megachurch Cult Bible Camp Apologizes for Hazing Incidents Involving Pain Cream on Genitals

Harvest Bible Chapel, a megachurch in Illinois, recently held a 10-day-long “Camp Harvest” for kids that apparently involved counselors engaging in multiple forms of hazing.

According to a statement from the church, some campers were involved in the “Icy Hot Challenge,” which (at least on Urban Dictionary) is where you apply Icy Hot lidocaine, a numbing pain reliever, to your genitals to see who can withstand the pain the longest.
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The other form of hazing wasn’t specified, but after an unscheduled late-night game of “Silent Football” (which involved “staff, students, and cabin leaders”), losers would receive a punishment. The church described some of those punishments as “juvenile and immature” and others as having “a general pattern of embarrassment, humiliation, and gross behavior.”
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Remember that this is the same megachurch once run by Pastor James MacDonald, who was fired more than a year ago after details of his extravagant spending, financial mismanagement, and possibly hiring a hitman to murder his son-in-law came to light. He left the megachurch in shambles. Now two of their satellite campuses may have to shut down over tax problems. Oh, and also, MacDonald allegedly misused millions of dollars meant for the church for his own “financial benefit.” Also, MacDonald and his church filed a lawsuit against several writers who worked to bring the church’s corruption to light.

https://friendlyatheist.patheos.com/2020/08/06/christian-summer-camp-apologizes-after-multiple-unauthorized-hazing-incidents/

They've fired a person, or some people. But this is psychological abuse, designed to tie the vulnerable to the cult. It's how things like Jonestown start.
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Megachurch Cult Bible Camp Apologizes for Hazing Incidents Involving Pain Cream on Genitals (Original Post) muriel_volestrangler Aug 2020 OP
WTF is even remotely Christian about something like this? 3catwoman3 Aug 2020 #1
Their main campus changed its name when the pastor was nabbed. hedda_foil Aug 2020 #4
If you put some of this stuff on your naughty bits... Major Nikon Aug 2020 #7
Christianity is as Christianity does. Mariana Aug 2020 #10
This ain't Plato's Realm of Ideal Forms. Act_of_Reparation Aug 2020 #11
ain't family values grand... Thomas Hurt Aug 2020 #2
It is also sex abuse n/t Soph0571 Aug 2020 #3
Sexual assault is what it is. yellowcanine Aug 2020 #5
people need to be arrested for this Skittles Aug 2020 #6
Amen! Karadeniz Aug 2020 #8
With any luck, this will lead to sterility. CaptYossarian Aug 2020 #9
err no... uriel1972 Aug 2020 #13
It would be one-sided compassion, as they would rather see us die. CaptYossarian Aug 2020 #14
I see your point uriel1972 Aug 2020 #15
That was what I intended to say. CaptYossarian Aug 2020 #16
no bad feelings... uriel1972 Aug 2020 #17
True. Then we would land in Dick Cheney territory. CaptYossarian Aug 2020 #18
And I thought Boy Scout camp was bad The Genealogist Aug 2020 #12
So the adults were rubbing cream on children's genitals? Iggo Aug 2020 #19
Not right at all... Solost Aug 2020 #20

3catwoman3

(23,946 posts)
1. WTF is even remotely Christian about something like this?
Thu Aug 6, 2020, 05:50 PM
Aug 2020

Last edited Thu Aug 6, 2020, 10:07 PM - Edit history (1)

One of their satellite campuses is a few miles down the road from me. There are police directing traffic for them when they have their services.

Apparently the police ought to be doing something else there, like arresting sadistic perverts.

hedda_foil

(16,371 posts)
4. Their main campus changed its name when the pastor was nabbed.
Thu Aug 6, 2020, 05:59 PM
Aug 2020

It's now Highpoint Church and it's uncomfortably close to me.

Major Nikon

(36,818 posts)
7. If you put some of this stuff on your naughty bits...
Thu Aug 6, 2020, 08:28 PM
Aug 2020

Yer going to be talking to Jesus, even if yer an atheist.

Mariana

(14,854 posts)
10. Christianity is as Christianity does.
Fri Aug 7, 2020, 09:31 AM
Aug 2020

This type of Christianity is apparently pretty popular among Christians in the US.

CaptYossarian

(6,448 posts)
9. With any luck, this will lead to sterility.
Thu Aug 6, 2020, 10:11 PM
Aug 2020

The "boys" only work if they're cooled.

The sterility could also lead to less abortions, so they at least have that going.

uriel1972

(4,261 posts)
13. err no...
Wed Aug 12, 2020, 11:08 PM
Aug 2020

a little comp[assion for the unfortunate here please. Now punishment for the officials who did this is quite acceptable for me as long as it includes a stay inside a big house.

CaptYossarian

(6,448 posts)
14. It would be one-sided compassion, as they would rather see us die.
Thu Aug 13, 2020, 07:54 AM
Aug 2020

They call themselves Christian, but they've lost sight of the true meaning. Most non-churchgoers are more Christlike than these hypocrites.

I do have compassion for all victims of all churches. But I still rip these heartless, hateful cretins whenever possible.

How does the Golden Rule apply to those who hate LGBTQ and people of color?

uriel1972

(4,261 posts)
15. I see your point
Thu Aug 13, 2020, 09:10 PM
Aug 2020

as one of the LGBTQI+ people I am acutely aware of the hate, but is not clear that the victims are hateful to us.
The perpetrators on the other hand, sod them and their hate.

CaptYossarian

(6,448 posts)
16. That was what I intended to say.
Fri Aug 14, 2020, 08:00 AM
Aug 2020

I apparently muddied the water in my effort to make it clear.

I thought only in marriage did two people on the same side disagree on something through bad communication.

I'm glad you responded so I could see where I messed up my message.

uriel1972

(4,261 posts)
17. no bad feelings...
Sat Aug 15, 2020, 12:09 AM
Aug 2020

it's all good. I feel in a dark withered part of my heart that the perpetrators should feel the same pain as the victims.
However torturing people, especially in the name of justice makes us as bad as them and that is something I never want to be. I believe they should be excluded from the greater society in a humane way for the greater good of all. That's just me, though.

The Genealogist

(4,723 posts)
12. And I thought Boy Scout camp was bad
Fri Aug 7, 2020, 09:10 PM
Aug 2020

I remember being at Boy Scout camp as a kid, and a favorite punishment for a boy who lost a belonging was to make him stand up in front of the whole mess hall and sing songs. I had to do this twice, different years. It was mortifying for an introvert like me. That was nothing compared to this garbage. Praise Jaysus or something.

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