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rug

(82,333 posts)
Mon Jun 16, 2014, 10:22 AM Jun 2014

"796 Babies In A Septic Tank": Does An Anti-Catholic Bias Help Explain This Hoax?

6/15/2014 @ 12:44PM
Eamonn Fingleton

In this space last week I challenged the sensational tabloid story of the moment: the idea that “wicked witch” nuns at an orphanage in Ireland had “dumped” nearly eight hundred babies’ bodies in a cesspit. The story had caused global outrage – but, as I pointed out, it not only did not ring true but no media organization had come even close to establishing the facts. Many of the reports were contradictory and even the most reliable-sounding evidence was at best confusing.

My reservations have now been vindicated and the “796 babies dumped in a septic tank” story has been revealed as one of the most outrageous press hoaxes in recent years. To their credit, a few news organizations have revisited the facts and published correctives. In particular the Washington Post and the New York Times have tacitly admitted that the implied image of satanic depravity that turned the story into a global sensation – that of wicked-witch nuns shoveling countless tiny human forms into a maelstrom of excrement and urine – almost certainly never happened. Their updated accounts can be read here and here.

At the end of the day, these facts seem well founded:

1.A total of 796 babies and children died at an orphanage in the town of Tuam in County Galway.
2.Even judged by the standards of the time (the orphanage operated between 1925 and 1961), this represented a disturbingly high death rate.
3.The babies’ final resting place has gone unrecorded.
4.Basing their opinion on practice at other such institutions at the time, experts believe that the babies were buried in unmarked graves within the grounds of the orphanage.
5.In the mid-1970s, two boys playing on the site came upon what seemed like a crypt in which the skeletons of perhaps 20 babies were discovered.
6.Some observers have recently concluded that the so-called crypt had at one stage been a sewage tank dating to the nineteenth century.

Perhaps the fairest summing up has come from Andrew Brown, a religious affairs commentator for the Guardian. As he points out, for those who want to dismiss the nuns as wicked witches who consciously dumped babies’ bodies into a maelstrom of human waste, the problem is chronology. He comments: “If the bodies were placed in a sewage tank long after it had been drained and disused, this would seem much less shocking. That less shocking story is at least plausible.”

http://www.forbes.com/sites/eamonnfingleton/2014/06/15/796-babies-in-a-septic-tank-does-a-hidden-anti-catholic-agenda-explain-a-global-hoax/

http://www.forbes.com/sites/eamonnfingleton/2014/06/09/that-story-about-irish-babies-in-a-septic-tank-is-a-media-hoax/

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/tuam-mother-and-baby-home-the-trouble-with-the-septic-tank-story-1.1823393

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/monkey-cage/wp/2014/06/09/the-truth-behind-irelands-dead-babies-scandal-five-questions/

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/06/10/world/europe/tuam-ireland-796-irish-children-died-historian-searches-for-burial-records.html?_r=1

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/belief/2014/jun/11/horror-mass-baby-grave-ireland-instinctive-religiosity
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Trajan

(19,089 posts)
1. So .... there were no dead babies in a hole in the ground?
Mon Jun 16, 2014, 10:49 AM
Jun 2014

None whatsoever?

Need dead babies only be placed in holes in the ground by evil witch nuns? ... cannot regular, average, pious, UN-witch-y nuns also deposit corpses into holes in the ground?

Al Carroll

(113 posts)
3. Much like the pedophile priests stories
Mon Jun 16, 2014, 10:12 PM
Jun 2014

It seems like the same dynamic. In other ways it seems like the anti Catholic hysteria and claims of Catholic conspiracy way back in the 1840s.

There were no doubt many children's deaths in many orphanages. But because of anti Catholic bias this got much more attention.

 

rug

(82,333 posts)
4. Welcome to DU, Al.
Mon Jun 16, 2014, 10:15 PM
Jun 2014

The problem with these hatefests is that they rapidly obscure the facts and nothing gets corrected.

IrishAyes

(6,151 posts)
5. Anti-Catholic bias may well be the main culprit in the false story, but
Mon Jun 16, 2014, 10:18 PM
Jun 2014

it doesn't seem a necessary component either these days for people to jump off the deep end willy nilly. If those 'news' organizations had bothered to check FIRST, even a little bit, I don't believe they would've printed in the first place. Where are they ripping their headlines from these days, Alex Jones?

Even allowing for the occasional bad apple in the best barrel, never in my own life have I met a nun who wasn't good as gold to me. Not once. As an army brat, I always preferred parochial schools not only for the superior education but because they were strict and yet fair. Everyone should be so lucky as to be educated by those wonderful women. And why should I expect them to be any different in the land of my forefathers?

Even today many of them are heroic figures to me, especially Sister Simone Campbell and Sister Christina!

PS: BTW, I don't mind telling everyone what I'm composing this reply on either: a newly refurbished business class laptop with Windows 7 Professional OS, given to me by a gentleman living a few towns away; he volunteers for Catholic Social Services and learned of my pressing need when I mentioned to someone else that my old computer had one foot in the grave and another on a banana peel. W/o the generosity of Mother Church, I'd have had no chance to replace my main connection to the world at large.

 

rug

(82,333 posts)
6. The Mirror was driving much of this.
Mon Jun 16, 2014, 10:23 PM
Jun 2014

I like how he ended this:

The conditions reflected a shameful effort by the whole of Irish society to ostracize and generally stigmatize children born out of wedlock. This effort was consistently made at every level. Political leaders were probably as guilty as church leaders, and the Anglican Church, known locally as the Church of Ireland, nearly as guilty as the Catholic Church.

Among the few people in the country who lifted a finger to help the victims of the stigma were the nuns of Tuam. Were they holier-than-thou harridans who looked down on the unmarried mothers who came to them? For the most part, probably yes. But they did do something for those mothers’ ill-starred children. The rest of society did almost nothing.


How have you been, Irish?

IrishAyes

(6,151 posts)
9. I've missed this group while off on what turned out to be a fool's errand,
Tue Jun 17, 2014, 10:50 AM
Jun 2014

perhaps. The NY charity for which I wrote reams of copy eventually proved fraudulent; then I concentrated on trying to get at least some of the compensation promised when the job went far beyond volunteer status; and when I came up short there too, I had to decide to content myself with (yet another) life lesson learned and to turn over certain files to the IRS etc. investigation when I found out about it. The lawyers are trying to claim outside counsel status, but the original alleged director, Marc, had another bad habit of cc'ing me on internal memos particularly regarding everyone's stockholder and board status. While that's not necessarily binding proof, it is indeed damning evidence. Every little bit helps.

So that's what I've been up to. But now that I'm not spending every spare moment writing copy for what proved to be a bunch of thieves and charlatans, I can return to worthier pastimes. It was rather traumatic for me, but I'm well on the road to recovery.

 

rug

(82,333 posts)
11. Wow, that sucks.
Tue Jun 17, 2014, 12:21 PM
Jun 2014

It's one thing to be ripped off by capitalists but being ripped off by a charity generates anger of an entirely different kind.

IrishAyes

(6,151 posts)
12. The one thing the front man was great at was PR; he appeared on nearly a dozen
Tue Jun 17, 2014, 05:16 PM
Jun 2014

major network shows, etc. Had the confidence of several extremely prominent outsiders who had nothing to gain by their association with him - I doubt Noam Chomsky was taking a kickback! So he fooled a lot of people for quite awhile until all his excuses for not actually delivering wore thin. As the whole operation started to implode, the board - including those lawyers now trying to claim outside legal status - kicked him out and made him post a notice to that effect on each of the involved websites.

This could've and almost certainly would've turned out quite well if those people had just been honest; because it was an impressive business plan set up supposedly to benefit the main charity, Pet Food Stamps. The beauty of the apparent setup and noble goal was one major thing that kept me and numerous others dedicated for so long. I have to admit I enjoyed my work tremendously as well, because I can write first drawer copy in my sleep - at top speed, too. The only positive thing that came of the whole disaster for me was getting to strut my stuff. The fact that it was for nothing is a different matter. People love to do what they're good at, especially for a beloved cause. Finding out I was in bed with crooks doesn't 100% wipe that out - fortunately, because that's all I'll ever get for it.

And of course the final, worst effect would be if I let the experience embitter me against all humanity or force me to adopt their world view. That's one thing they're not going to get away with!

hedgehog

(36,286 posts)
7. I attempted to point out that certain details were untrue -
Tue Jun 17, 2014, 03:10 AM
Jun 2014

that while the actual story was bad enough, people were using the false story to jump all over the Catholic Church. I was castigated for that, as well as for pointing out that is was a societal problem. That did not match with the narrative that the Catholic Church is the root of all evil.

 

rug

(82,333 posts)
10. There's way too much of that going on.
Tue Jun 17, 2014, 12:16 PM
Jun 2014

Whenever the Church steps in it there will always be people to trot out the talking points regardless of the facts at hand. It almost doesn't matter what the particular scandal is.

The net result is that the facts don't get out but the bias is strengthened.

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