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Judi Lynn

(160,415 posts)
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 08:49 PM Mar 2016

Scientists Think They Know Why Romans Had Perfect Teeth–One Thing Was Missing from Their Diet

Scientists Think They Know Why Romans Had Perfect Teeth–One Thing Was Missing from Their Diet
By Jed Smith (2 hours ago)

Dental care may have been primitive at best in Ancient Rome, but the Romans had better teeth than most people in developed nations today, new research indicates.

Using CAT scans to examine the remains of 30 men, women, and children who died during the Pompeii volcano eruption that engulfed the city in ash and pumice in 79 AD, scientists have honed in on the substance lacking in the Roman diet which gave them their “perfect teeth.”

It’s refined sugar. Dental research expert Elisa Vanacore explained the startling discovery to Business Insider:

“The inhabitants of Pompeii ate a lot of fruit and vegetables but very little sugar. They ate better than we did and have really good teeth. Studying their teeth could reveal a lot more about their lives.”

More:
http://www.ijreview.com/2016/03/564619-scientists-think-they-have-figured-out-why-romans-all-had-perfect-teeth/

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Scientists Think They Know Why Romans Had Perfect Teeth–One Thing Was Missing from Their Diet (Original Post) Judi Lynn Mar 2016 OP
Don't tell the sugar industry!!! CaliforniaPeggy Mar 2016 #1
K, R & Thanks... nt AnotherDreamWeaver Mar 2016 #2
The excitement is giving me a Hadron Gomez163 Mar 2016 #3
Let's assume you made a joke rather than a disruption Bernardo de La Paz Mar 2016 #7
K&R DesertRat Mar 2016 #4
But what have the Romans ever done for us? iandhr Mar 2016 #5
And yet somehow a volcano still killed them. Orrex Mar 2016 #6
It would kill you too. tabasco Mar 2016 #10
No chance. Orrex Mar 2016 #11
hahahhaa! CoffeeCat Mar 2016 #18
You'd think they could have chewed their way to safety, right? Scootaloo Mar 2016 #22
lol Renew Deal Mar 2016 #26
My son who's on the autism spectrum at 23 has never had a cavity kimbutgar Mar 2016 #8
I have a daughter who is severely retarded and never brushed her teeth demigoddess Mar 2016 #37
Yeah soda is a big problem kimbutgar Mar 2016 #39
GRAMMAR BULLY ALERT! gregcrawford Mar 2016 #9
Nice! Silver_Witch Mar 2016 #12
But one can 'hone in' an engine cylinder to make it more perfect, more smooth so there is less vkkv Mar 2016 #13
Context is everything here... gregcrawford Mar 2016 #15
As soon as you mention S.U.s I was thinking of my 1969 white MGB GT that was my vkkv Mar 2016 #17
Ohh.....I had one of those! dixiegrrrrl Mar 2016 #19
"Antelope" = beige?? That was one of the funky colors... eom vkkv Mar 2016 #40
If you used "home in on" you'd be wrong. kristopher Mar 2016 #21
No, YOU are wrong. gregcrawford Mar 2016 #28
Nope. Not even close. kristopher Mar 2016 #29
You obviously have reading comprehension issues. gregcrawford Mar 2016 #32
Depends on what your definition of "smooth" is. jimmil Mar 2016 #31
I don't blame you, typos and misused words are driving me nuts. demigoddess Mar 2016 #38
Very interesting. SoapBox Mar 2016 #14
Dentist Weston A. Price discovered as much decades ago when studying indigenous tribes... drokhole Mar 2016 #16
I thought this was common knowledge nxylas Mar 2016 #20
+1 n/t LittleGirl Mar 2016 #24
They also gargled pee...if I'm not mistaken. kjones Mar 2016 #23
Ha Ha. This is funny to me because I went to Pompeii on a very vanlassie Mar 2016 #25
This has been known for a while. Bad Dog Mar 2016 #27
Corn starch, also. nt Duval Mar 2016 #34
Also sledgehammers. Bad Dog Mar 2016 #35
yup Wolverine23 Mar 2016 #30
K&R! nt Duval Mar 2016 #33
Refined sugar is poison. Dont call me Shirley Mar 2016 #36

CaliforniaPeggy

(149,502 posts)
1. Don't tell the sugar industry!!!
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 08:58 PM
Mar 2016


Great bit of reporting, and thank you for your tireless efforts to educate us, Judi Lynn.

CoffeeCat

(24,411 posts)
18. hahahhaa!
Sun Mar 20, 2016, 01:05 PM
Mar 2016

An nice chuckle with my afternoon coffee. Thanks!

Seriously. A perfect one-line zinger requires skills!

kimbutgar

(21,030 posts)
8. My son who's on the autism spectrum at 23 has never had a cavity
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 10:29 PM
Mar 2016

He drinks only water and rice milk. I can also get some mint tea into when he's not feeling well.

He does have a sweet tooth and will enjoy chocolate and short bread cookies and ice cream occasionally. I never pushed soda or fruit drinks on him when he was young. Only milk and water.

demigoddess

(6,640 posts)
37. I have a daughter who is severely retarded and never brushed her teeth
Sun Mar 20, 2016, 06:33 PM
Mar 2016

and she didn't have a cavity until 30 years old. She ate things with sugar in them,chocolate milk and desserts sometimes. But one thing she did not do was drink soda.

kimbutgar

(21,030 posts)
39. Yeah soda is a big problem
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 12:00 AM
Mar 2016

I used to drink them until 10 years ago. When I stopped I felt stronger health wise.

gregcrawford

(2,382 posts)
9. GRAMMAR BULLY ALERT!
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 10:46 PM
Mar 2016

Actually, the term is "HOMED IN," not honed in. It is derived from homing pigeons, hence, homing devices on missiles and such. You hone, as in sharpen, a knife; you home in on a target.

Sorry; I can't help myself.

 

vkkv

(3,384 posts)
13. But one can 'hone in' an engine cylinder to make it more perfect, more smooth so there is less
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 11:07 PM
Mar 2016

friction and wear.

But yeah, 'homing in' I'm sure is used far, far more widely.

However, if you're talking to a mechanic or a gearhead rather than sharp-shooter, one might use "hone in" instead.


gregcrawford

(2,382 posts)
15. Context is everything here...
Sun Mar 20, 2016, 07:39 AM
Mar 2016

... but I like the automotive reference.

Of course, if you bore out the cylinders, you need larger diameter pistons and rings to maintain compression. Hell, as long as you're in there, let's balance the rods, and – ooo! How 'bout a roller bearing crank? Yum! Now we need tuned custom headers. Hmmm... this baby's gonna get thirsty, so we'll need a big ol' sewer pipe of a Weber to replace those antique S.U.s. Clap on a Sebring close-ratio transmission - FINALLY! Synchros in 1st, and you can hit 60 before you hit 2nd! Get rear end gears to match, so you don't fry your clutch to a crepe at every stoplight, dance on radial Dunlops mounted on oversized knock-off wires with Konis in the back and competition valves in those stupid swing-arm front shocks, and VOILA! you've got a '67 MGB/GT that'll top 150 mph and stick like a tick to the track at Thompson or Lime Rock. You can eat Corvettes for breakfast off the line and watch 'em cry when they catch up. Hee! Hee! Hee!

Damn, I miss that car...

 

vkkv

(3,384 posts)
17. As soon as you mention S.U.s I was thinking of my 1969 white MGB GT that was my
Sun Mar 20, 2016, 12:58 PM
Mar 2016

daily driver from '95 to 2001 when I live in S.F., then Carmel, Ca. Over-Drive in 3rd and 4th. But then, I worked out of my house so daily mileage was minimum! When I bought it the first thing I did was clean every bullet connector, replace water pump and a couple of worn hubs. I put chrome Dayton wheels and new Dunlaps on it... beautiful.. got a fair amount of flats though, it never broke down but once when it wouldn't start up at home, it was simply worn points and I should have read the clues before it wouldn't start. Otherwise it was an excellent car over those years. Then I bought a house and needed a truck, having two vehicles didn't thrill me at the time.. but now I have three. '88 VW Vanagon Adventurewagen camper, 1977 Ford F250 4WD Ranger XLT (Light blue & white sides, high boy) and our daily driver is a flame red 1985 Toyota MR2 stock stripper with no spoilers or foils. All three are in great shape and get a lot of complements here in the Sierra foothill town of Mariposa - an hour from Yosemite. We've only lived only since 2013... Need to have a 4WD truck emergency vehicle here, but it's a gas hog.. driven minimally. I'd take a solidly overbuilt MG over an over-powered, weak-axeled Triumph any day.

Have fun.


kristopher

(29,798 posts)
21. If you used "home in on" you'd be wrong.
Sun Mar 20, 2016, 01:49 PM
Mar 2016

Hone
hone1
[hohn]

noun
1.
a whetstone of fine, compact texture for sharpening razors and other cutting tools.
2.
a precision tool with a mechanically rotated abrasive tip, for enlarging holes to precise dimensions.
verb (used with object), honed, honing.
3.
to sharpen on a hone:
to hone a carving knife.
4.
to enlarge or finish (a hole) with a hone.
5.
to make more acute or effective; improve; perfect:
to hone one's skills.


gregcrawford

(2,382 posts)
32. You obviously have reading comprehension issues.
Sun Mar 20, 2016, 05:01 PM
Mar 2016

Read JudiLynn's OP again – carefully. Then read my initial response. Though the two phrases are often mistakenly used interchangeably, there is no conceivable way that "honed in" is the appropriate phrase in this context, especially when applying your lengthy definition of "honed." The etymology of the phrase, "homed in" should explain it for you.

My interest in this discussion is now exhausted.

jimmil

(629 posts)
31. Depends on what your definition of "smooth" is.
Sun Mar 20, 2016, 04:53 PM
Mar 2016

Too smooth and the oil cannot cling to the sides of the cylinder wall. An example of this is when aircraft engines get a chrome overhaul. You have to run the piss out of them to get the chrome cracked to allow oil to adhere to the cylinder. On a car overhaul you need torque plates to put the right amount of tension on the block that the heads normally exert. This distorts the block just a little so that when you hone the cylinders they will be round with the heads installed. You want to leave the cylinder a bit roughed up for oiling.

demigoddess

(6,640 posts)
38. I don't blame you, typos and misused words are driving me nuts.
Sun Mar 20, 2016, 06:35 PM
Mar 2016

Online apparently no one checks their spelling or word usage, or should I say 'there spelling or word usage'?

drokhole

(1,230 posts)
16. Dentist Weston A. Price discovered as much decades ago when studying indigenous tribes...
Sun Mar 20, 2016, 11:50 AM
Mar 2016
Ancient Dietary Wisdom for Tomorrow’s Children

Price’s bewilderment gave way to a unique idea. He would travel to various isolated parts of the earth where the inhabitants had no contact with “civilization” to study their health and physical development. His investigations took him to isolated Swiss villages and a windswept island off the coast of Scotland. He studied traditional Eskimos, Indian tribes in Canada and the Florida Everglades, South Seas islanders, Aborigines in Australia, Maoris in New Zealand, Peruvian and Amazonian Indians and tribesmen in Africa. These investigations occurred at a time when there still existed remote pockets of humanity untouched by modern inventions; but when one modern invention, the camera, allowed Price to make a permanent record of the people he studied. The photographs Price took, the descriptions of what he found and his startling conclusions are preserved in a book considered a masterpiece by many nutrition researchers who followed in Price’s footsteps: Nutrition and Physical Degeneration. Yet this compendium of ancestral wisdom is all but unknown to today’s medical community and modern parents.

Nutrition and Physical Degeneration is the kind of book that changes the way people view the world. No one can look at the handsome photographs of so-called primitive people–faces that are broad, well-formed and noble–without realizing that there is something very wrong with the development of modern children. In every isolated region he visited, Price found tribes or villages where virtually every individual exhibited genuine physical perfection. In such groups, tooth decay was rare and dental crowding and occlusions–the kind of problems that keep American orthodontists in yachts and vacation homes–nonexistent. Price took photograph after photograph of beautiful smiles, and noted that the natives were invariably cheerful and optimistic. Such people were characterized by “splendid physical development” and an almost complete absence of disease, even those living in physical environments that were extremely harsh.

The fact that “primitives” often exhibited a high degree of physical perfection and beautiful straight white teeth was not unknown to other investigators of the era. The accepted explanation was that these people were “racially pure” and that unfortunate changes in facial structure were due to “race mixing”. Price found this theory unacceptable. Very often the groups he studied lived close to racially similar groups that had come in contact with traders or missionaries, and had abandoned their traditional diet for foodstuffs available in the newly established stores—sugar, refined grains, canned foods, pasteurized milk and devitalized fats and oils–what Price called the “displacing foods of modern commerce.” In these peoples, he found rampant tooth decay, infectious illness and degenerative conditions. Children born to parents who had adopted the so-called civilized diet had crowded and crooked teeth, narrowed faces, deformities of bone structure and reduced immunity to disease. Price concluded that race had nothing to do with these changes. He noted that physical degeneration occurred in children of native parents who had adopted the white man’s diet; while mixed race children whose parents had consumed traditional foods were born with wide handsome faces and straight teeth.


The Weston A. Price Foundation was founded in his honor in 1999. They've also been advocating eating healthy fats and probiotic rich foods since their inception (which has been central to their message), and especially that dietary cholesterol (like in eggs) and saturated fats (like those found in olive oil, avocados, butter and animal meats) aren't as evil as "conventional" belief and nutritional science had made them out to be. In fact, they're incredibly beneficial and crucial to good health, something that science is only now coming around to recognize/accept. Of course, they have been (and still are) much maligned and disregarded as "woo" in the supposedly scientific community, but evidence like this keeps rolling in to prove them correct.

And, it's not just refined sugar, but refined grains (especially in the large amounts we consume) that's the culprit - which the body essentially treats as sugar/metabolizes as glucose when digesting.

nxylas

(6,440 posts)
20. I thought this was common knowledge
Sun Mar 20, 2016, 01:08 PM
Mar 2016

Even in the middle ages, honey was used as a sweetener, rather than sugar, and people then had better teeth too.

vanlassie

(5,660 posts)
25. Ha Ha. This is funny to me because I went to Pompeii on a very
Sun Mar 20, 2016, 03:13 PM
Mar 2016

hot summer day. I stood in line for some cold lemonade, and when I finally got my first much anticipated sip, it had NO SUGAR!

Bad Dog

(2,025 posts)
27. This has been known for a while.
Sun Mar 20, 2016, 03:35 PM
Mar 2016

Medieval skeletons have pretty good teeth too. It's only when sugar comes over that teeth go bad. And potatoes too, while sugar dissolves potato starch can stick to your teeth.

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