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WestCoastLib

(442 posts)
Sat May 31, 2014, 08:44 PM May 2014

Religious holidays being celebrated, but not believed.

I don't know if there are (m)any other atheists like me out here. I have a bit of a different take on holidays and wonder how others are.

I'm fairly militant in my atheist beliefs, in the sense that I see religious belief as a clear blocker to progress and would like nothing more than for humanity to evolve past it.

However, I think religion can still be celebrated. For example, I celebrate Christmas. It's one of my favorite times of the year in fact. With that said, I'm certainly not celebrating the birth of Jesus at that time and I probably have a better historical understanding of the holiday than most "christians" do. Xmas (to me) is Yule, solstice, New Years, secular christmas (santa, presents, lights, etc.), Saturnalia, and a ton of other Pagan holidays throughout history.

Whatever it's been called, humans have celebrated and feasted around the darkest days of the year for tens of thousands of years. For the majority of our history we weren't assured of making it through the winter, but as we gained knowledge and technology, from fire to farming to animal breeding our ancestors learned how to make it through harsh winters and we wouldn't be here without them.

Many of these celebrations, and traditions that continue today in various forms, like songs, feasting or fires and lights were basically a form of our ancestors thumbing their noses at the darkness and the cold. Fatalistically celebrating in the face of an unknown winter they might not survive.

I, as a complete non-believer and atheist, find it fascinating and worthy of celebration to still honor our ancestors and "connect" ourselves to them with similar celebrations today. I even recognize the part that the christian christmas plays in this and personally will even sometimes visit church productions, or listen to mire religious music at this time.

With that said, Christmas as we know it, was never really meant to be a "Jesus" holiday and ironically the "war on christmas" for the majority of the centuries has come from church leaders whom wanted a somber honoring of Christ. Little today, other than midnight mass came from christianity.

So, to get to my point. What I want to see is for religion to get to a point where it can be celebrated, even honored, as a symbol of our past, in the same way most of us might think about Greek mythology or native American myth.

I realize we are a long way off from this and i sometimes struggle with wondering if my support of the holiday hinders the long slow process of our species evolving past the need for religion. But i've also come to accept that I can't be held responsible for the stupidity of the rest of the world. I have a historical and anthropological fascination with religion and tradition and I shouldn't make apologies for that.

Just curious if there are any other atheists here with similar thoughts.

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Warpy

(111,106 posts)
1. Oh, sure. I live alone so I no longer bother with the lights and tree and other crap
Sat May 31, 2014, 08:56 PM
May 2014

but I do enjoy seeing them elsewhere. Some of the sappy movies are great and TCM always obliges. I enjoy seeing the kids out on Xmas day riding their scooters, bikes and new roller blades.
For me, it's about supplying light during the darkest part of the year and that's all good. I don't need a god around to enjoy it.

I'll let all the somber holiday people parade around with faces like cats' arses to show how superior they are because they don't allow themselves to enjoy anything but false pride and spite and have a hearty inner laugh at them. After all, I'd rather see them than be them.

Xmas is a lot darker these days, people just can't afford those displays they used to put out every year thanks to the Republican/Wall St. Democrat economy and that is sad. I have to hope people are compensating by overdoing the Xmas tree inside their houses. In this neighborhood, they still set out farolitos on Xmas Eve, votive candles, sand and paper bags being a lot more economical than tripling the electric bill.

Tl:dr Yes, you've got company.

Curmudgeoness

(18,219 posts)
2. You have put a lot of thought into this.
Sat May 31, 2014, 09:00 PM
May 2014

A lot more than I have. I love Christmas, but it is because any holiday that gives me a day off from work is fine with me. I also like all the festivities, and to be honest, when I go to parties and dinners and gift exchanges, I never ever hear about Jesus. No one seems to care WHY they are celebrating and partying. That tells me a lot about the holiday. As you said, it is great to fight off the darkness and the cold of that time of year.

defacto7

(13,485 posts)
3. No problem!
Sun Jun 1, 2014, 12:24 AM
Jun 2014

We do the whole ball of wax even with the believers. It is also nice to have something ritualistic from human historic experience that can connect atheists with the "other side", it's like a truce. It's too bad though that there's nothing atheists can share with believers that bring us together from our point of view... like science.

What we teach the kids at home is what really counts anyway. It's funny though, we have books about different religions and ideologies that are in our kids bedroom libraries. If I ask them which one they want to read before bed they almost always pick the ones about Buddha, even at Christmas.

 

Warren Stupidity

(48,181 posts)
4. You are a secular Christian.
Sun Jun 1, 2014, 09:44 AM
Jun 2014

So is Richard Dawkins. So am I for that matter. I grew up in an atheist family that celebrated Christmas and Easter without the religious bits.

 

Warren Stupidity

(48,181 posts)
6. So you are a secular abrahamist or unitarian :-)
Sun Jun 1, 2014, 12:30 PM
Jun 2014

My wife is a secular jew so we do Christmas Easter and Passover, although the seder is way too religious for my tastes so I get to be the grumpy atheist at the table.

trotsky

(49,533 posts)
8. You are absolutely correct, and something I've felt for a long time.
Mon Jun 2, 2014, 11:51 AM
Jun 2014

Virtually all of the "religious" holidays we have today started as primitive awareness of the world around us, and recognizing the patterns that would allow us to succeed as a species. A wonderful way to connect to those who figured out the world for us.

 

Arugula Latte

(50,566 posts)
9. My family was never religious, but we always got an Xmas tree, Easter baskets, etc.
Mon Jun 2, 2014, 12:03 PM
Jun 2014

Those traditions are pretty and/or fun, and of course have pagan roots that make sense at the most basic, human level (noting the change of seasons and the re-emergence of light and life) unlike the utterly ridiculous Jesus-y stories that have been wallpapered over their true meanings.

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