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OFFICIAL MICHIGAN Returns Thread. (Original Post) Barack_America Mar 2016 OP
You have to wait an Hour the U.P. is not done voting till then awake Mar 2016 #1
God damned UP! Barack_America Mar 2016 #2
Michigan got the Upper Peninsula and Ohio got Toledo in a trade Land Shark Mar 2016 #6
Hey, watch that about toledo. pangaia Mar 2016 #9
I never put Toledo down, I'm just holding the U.P. up! Land Shark Mar 2016 #11
:>))) pangaia Mar 2016 #44
Ever see Escanaba in the moonlight? Mbrow Mar 2016 #208
Yes, can laugh about it, but if taken seriously it is BS Land Shark Mar 2016 #235
Mud Hens! Cal Carpenter Mar 2016 #93
Did you stop in at Packo's Hungarian Hot Dogs? Ken Burch Mar 2016 #112
Those Look Just Like... chwaliszewski Mar 2016 #242
Oh gross. :(((( pangaia Mar 2016 #532
This message was self-deleted by its author cannabis_flower Mar 2016 #452
Mexican Hot Dogs cannabis_flower Mar 2016 #499
I've heard about those. n/t. Ken Burch Mar 2016 #518
I'm Hungarian. pangaia Mar 2016 #529
Born in Toledo LP2K12 Mar 2016 #33
Yep. The Michigan - Ohio war over Toledo FrodosPet Mar 2016 #98
Wasn't there a war? notadmblnd Mar 2016 #106
No, but there was a little bit of sabre rattling Wednesdays Mar 2016 #184
you from Michigan or Ohio? Reading about it, it is comical notadmblnd Mar 2016 #207
Hey we'd love to have em but eh states rights. :P PatrynXX Mar 2016 #127
Just the Counties in the U.P. that border Wisconsin are in CST, but yeah Land Shark Mar 2016 #3
Well, so, how's the weather where you are? Barack_America Mar 2016 #4
Hi, my brother lives in Milan! Punkingal Mar 2016 #7
Up here in da U.P. the snow is melting fast with sunny Temps in 40s and 50s Land Shark Mar 2016 #8
My husband is from Traverse City fun n serious Mar 2016 #19
so is mine! we live in LA and he's been here quite a while; but he's born and raised in MI amborin Mar 2016 #83
Did he grow up in Traverse City? fun n serious Mar 2016 #166
yes, on 8th street; went to high school there, etc.... amborin Mar 2016 #243
My husband grew up on a cherry farm. fun n serious Mar 2016 #247
my husband worked in a cherry canning factory in high school! amborin Mar 2016 #507
I bet he hates cherries too! fun n serious Mar 2016 #509
LOL; he won't eat them! and, thanks! amborin Mar 2016 #516
Traverse City is not a place to be from. It's a place to go to. It's just beautiful up there. nt Snotcicles Mar 2016 #282
That's what my husband says. fun n serious Mar 2016 #288
Does he get cravings for Sweet Cherries and Fudge? nt Snotcicles Mar 2016 #301
No. He hated cherries. Lol nt fun n serious Mar 2016 #316
He says the locals call tourist " fudgies" nt fun n serious Mar 2016 #369
It is beautiful ther Snotcicles monicaangela Mar 2016 #458
Manistee hometown of James Earl Jones. Yes I've been camping there and loved it. nt Snotcicles Mar 2016 #473
UPpers! MrMickeysMom Mar 2016 #16
As the Finns call it, "Up back Nort" longship Mar 2016 #50
27th??? jham123 Mar 2016 #67
Well, most of my township is national forest. longship Mar 2016 #90
do you think jham123 Mar 2016 #97
Yup! I had my choice of ballots. longship Mar 2016 #113
You got to ask for which party ballot you want. Your Answer Is Public Record Land Shark Mar 2016 #198
And da U.P. so far is solid for Sanders Land Shark Mar 2016 #185
56 minutes to go. The UP is in a different time zone. grossproffit Mar 2016 #5
So what happens here? Do the precincts in the lower peninsula start counting... Barack_America Mar 2016 #10
CNN has started reporting numbers even with polls still open awake Mar 2016 #12
We won the first precinct! Lol n/t SheenaR Mar 2016 #13
In Wayne and Oakland. That is good! Barack_America Mar 2016 #15
BIG in Oakland so far, Royal Oak? Ferndale? Barack_America Mar 2016 #18
link to CNN site where they are posting numbers awake Mar 2016 #14
I add NYT link to the OP. Barack_America Mar 2016 #17
2% in, Sanders up by 5 points. Barack_America Mar 2016 #20
12 percent in, same nt restorefreedom Mar 2016 #21
Wait for Washtenaw. Will be Yuge. Barack_America Mar 2016 #22
for which candidate? bernie? nt restorefreedom Mar 2016 #31
Oh yes. Damned dirty hippies in A2. Barack_America Mar 2016 #34
who hooooo go hippies!! nt restorefreedom Mar 2016 #37
My screen says 18% in: Sanders 51.1, Clinton 47.6 Peace Patriot Mar 2016 #39
Still early but CNN looks suprised nadinbrzezinski Mar 2016 #23
yep fairly sure 92 % in and he's still way ahead. PatrynXX Mar 2016 #454
On purpose I am not watching her nadinbrzezinski Mar 2016 #459
I'm paying most attention to Wayne County AJH032 Mar 2016 #24
Vs. Washtenaw where Ann Arbor is. Barack_America Mar 2016 #30
THE SILENCE IS DEAFENING! PassingFair Mar 2016 #25
Let me guess. Their coverage tonight will be about Kascich Nyan Mar 2016 #75
3% in, Sanders up 51.7 to 47.2. Land Shark Mar 2016 #26
Sanders ahead in 8 of 9 counties reporting in so far noamnety Mar 2016 #27
I am praying here... from Michigan... wanna be proud of my state. Bread and Circus Mar 2016 #28
This won't hold zathras Mar 2016 #29
Neither are any of the college towns. Barack_America Mar 2016 #32
might want to check out this map restorefreedom Mar 2016 #35
Wayne county will be the key. DCBob Mar 2016 #40
It looks like we will be getting to ride NWCorona Mar 2016 #45
HA! Yes indeed. DCBob Mar 2016 #49
If Oakland holds for Sanders, I predict he will win. Barack_America Mar 2016 #41
Hillary just took the lead in Oakland. DCBob Mar 2016 #53
That was Pontiac coming in late. Barack_America Mar 2016 #96
Those are the suburbs Sanders is leading in zathras Mar 2016 #43
Most of those small precincts have Bernie ahead by at least jwirr Mar 2016 #152
It held. ScreamingMeemie Mar 2016 #530
Indeed it did, so congrats on the night zathras Mar 2016 #534
Ooops. IT HELD! PassingFair Mar 2016 #539
Looks like this could be close. johnnyrocket Mar 2016 #36
18% in. Bernie 51.1%, Hillary 47.6% BernieforPres2016 Mar 2016 #38
18% Land of Enchantment Mar 2016 #42
21% in Robbins Mar 2016 #46
Bernie ahead in 28 out of 32 counties so far noamnety Mar 2016 #47
FYI: Wayne County is where to watch for a heavily AA vote. n/t JonLeibowitz Mar 2016 #48
Yep.. essentially 0% reporting. DCBob Mar 2016 #51
Maybe. We'll see. JonLeibowitz Mar 2016 #55
exactly. 6chars Mar 2016 #56
Wayne population is 40% black Jarqui Mar 2016 #59
Agreed. n/t JonLeibowitz Mar 2016 #61
I love the little "How Democrats Voted: Size of lead" chart on nytimes site. pat_k Mar 2016 #52
Yeah, that's a really nice feature. Svafa Mar 2016 #58
Now we can see why someone was slinging a lot of mud these last few days! reformist2 Mar 2016 #54
Detroit is starting to come in. Barack_America Mar 2016 #57
well this ain't likely to be good... Bread and Circus Mar 2016 #62
We will just have to see. Barack_America Mar 2016 #68
I have gotten used to disappointment when it comes to this type of a situation. Bread and Circus Mar 2016 #69
25% In Robbins Mar 2016 #60
nail biter all,the way nt restorefreedom Mar 2016 #63
This message was self-deleted by its author cyberpj Mar 2016 #74
yup. its not over till its certified. and sometimes even then...nt restorefreedom Mar 2016 #79
This message was self-deleted by its author cyberpj Mar 2016 #250
This message was self-deleted by its author cyberpj Mar 2016 #255
it might be for a while restorefreedom Mar 2016 #266
The results you are reporting don't seem to match what NYT link Karma13612 Mar 2016 #64
CNN is ahead Barack_America Mar 2016 #65
28% In Robbins Mar 2016 #70
TYVM!!!! eom Karma13612 Mar 2016 #73
Keep cool guys.. Don't jink it. pangaia Mar 2016 #66
the suspense is killing me; just got in and husband said Bernie's ahead by 2% amborin Mar 2016 #71
50/48 bernie with 28% in restorefreedom Mar 2016 #76
The Hilt was supposed to slam dunk Michigan laserhaas Mar 2016 #72
538 came out today with her walloping him. JudyM Mar 2016 #91
Ain't it cool! laserhaas Mar 2016 #540
Bernie had to win by double digits to make any difference. fun n serious Mar 2016 #375
Yup..... that's what they all say laserhaas Mar 2016 #541
Wayne county still essentially at 1% reporting...not looking good for Sanders JonLeibowitz Mar 2016 #77
Right, That's what has me concerned. pangaia Mar 2016 #88
At 6%, Bernie is LEADING Wayne Co. - 55% to 44% cureautismnow Mar 2016 #109
I remain cautiously skeptical. n/t JonLeibowitz Mar 2016 #115
CNN Live Odds for Bernie to Win Michigan... cureautismnow Mar 2016 #78
538 was saying Hillary had a 98% chance of winning Kalidurga Mar 2016 #80
5+3=8 ChairmanAgnostic Mar 2016 #89
I dunno about Math so much as he has a statistical model he follows Kalidurga Mar 2016 #111
wow! good odds. 50.3/47.8 with 28% in...nt restorefreedom Mar 2016 #81
Up to 77% Odds for Bernie! cureautismnow Mar 2016 #86
Those live odds keep swinging wildly basselope Mar 2016 #150
I'm not sure I understand what I'm seeing. NCTraveler Mar 2016 #82
CNN is way ahead in the count nadinbrzezinski Mar 2016 #84
From the link you gave me it looks closer on the D side. NCTraveler Mar 2016 #95
With 17.4% counted, BERNINE is berning it up in my county! James48 Mar 2016 #85
Hes doing far better than expected in Detroit area. basselope Mar 2016 #87
Not Detroit yet, probably Dearborn reporting in Wayne. Barack_America Mar 2016 #92
There are lots of cities in Wayne county including the Grosse Pointes Motown_Johnny Mar 2016 #103
I'm just trying to think which went so solidly for Bernie. Barack_America Mar 2016 #227
check out the exit polls and oakland county basselope Mar 2016 #104
31% In Robbins Mar 2016 #94
Shh. Detroit is not in yet. Barack_America Mar 2016 #99
CNN: Independents are supporting Bernie - 73% over Hillary - 26% Segami Mar 2016 #101
38% in: Sanders by 4 pts. Peace Patriot Mar 2016 #165
Great little interactive demographics map on census.gov pat_k Mar 2016 #100
Let me just say ... Trajan Mar 2016 #102
NPR cannot bring themselves to say that Bernie's ahead so far. senz Mar 2016 #105
fuck them all. nt restorefreedom Mar 2016 #108
It's making me sick! Nt PassingFair Mar 2016 #110
There aren't enough votes from some of the major Democratic areas to really say much gollygee Mar 2016 #116
31% in restorefreedom Mar 2016 #107
Holy Fuck, Batman! ChairmanAgnostic Mar 2016 #120
i can't believe this might actually happen tonight restorefreedom Mar 2016 #124
Same here. JudyM Mar 2016 #129
i am about to start nervous eating restorefreedom Mar 2016 #131
I feel your pang. Me too. ChairmanAgnostic Mar 2016 #138
lets try and stay strong! restorefreedom Mar 2016 #142
Looks like I picked a bad time to quit smoking Wednesdays Mar 2016 #151
oh man i can't even imagine! restorefreedom Mar 2016 #155
Yeah. I've spent the last 4 days organizing canvassing in battle creek and Muskegon. JudyM Mar 2016 #153
seems like. or maybe bernie had a last minute surge restorefreedom Mar 2016 #157
I am so passionate about his success in this election. JudyM Mar 2016 #162
heres somehing for ya restorefreedom Mar 2016 #178
... and on to the win. Sublime. JudyM Mar 2016 #531
not even sure i will be able to sleep tonight restorefreedom Mar 2016 #533
ohhhh yeah, feels great we're all going to sleep with smiles. JudyM Mar 2016 #535
:) nt restorefreedom Mar 2016 #536
No network is mentioning the Sanders lead! johnnyrocket Mar 2016 #114
The corporate media is making war on Bernie Sanders. senz Mar 2016 #117
CNN Dropped the Live Odds for Bernie Winning to 35%. WTF?! cureautismnow Mar 2016 #122
Bernie's lead has gone up - I'm sure CNN is stalling, trying to figure out how to minimize. Avalux Mar 2016 #125
Yes, that drop does have a whiff of "fix." senz Mar 2016 #132
Depends where the early votes are coming from democrattotheend Mar 2016 #135
Wayne County just flipped towards Hillary, and Flint is going 2:1 for Hillary. femmedem Mar 2016 #147
37% In. Bernie still leading by almost 15,000 votes. 51.1% - 47.1% cureautismnow Mar 2016 #160
And I thought I was going to go to bed early. Ha ha ha! femmedem Mar 2016 #170
No....the LIVE odds is showing Bernie winning -90% Segami Mar 2016 #461
Because it doesn't make any difference...even if he wins by 10%, Hillary will still add to her anotherproletariat Mar 2016 #119
Huh, a big diverse state...all of a sudden it doesn't matter. johnnyrocket Mar 2016 #121
Hillary is running out of firewall. Once Bernie gets past it all bets are off. Motown_Johnny Mar 2016 #137
Yes! Because that means the polls are shit!! johnnyrocket Mar 2016 #145
So we have two brand spanking new Hillary supporters who just joined DU Trajan Mar 2016 #182
They are actually prudent to wait for more Wayne County results pat_k Mar 2016 #126
Warren is not in Wayne County nt k8conant Mar 2016 #134
Yeah I agree gollygee Mar 2016 #136
They are actually prudent to await more Wayne County results. pat_k Mar 2016 #164
Warren is still not in Wayne County but in Macomb County... k8conant Mar 2016 #241
Macomb has Sanders in the lead now! PassingFair Mar 2016 #289
I think I can explain Trajan Mar 2016 #118
This is unbelievable! PassingFair Mar 2016 #244
Bernie keeps pushing up the lead!! oswaldactedalone Mar 2016 #123
Wayne 54-45 Sanders, with 10% in. johnnyrocket Mar 2016 #128
Here comes Detroit, big time. Now it's on. Barack_America Mar 2016 #140
Nerve wracking. Only 201 of 999 Wayne County precincts (Clinton 52.8%) (nt) pat_k Mar 2016 #173
Michigan Primary kenn3d Mar 2016 #130
99% win for H? what are we missing here folks? Bernie running away with it?? johnnyrocket Mar 2016 #139
Maybe Nate's check didn't clear... Segami Mar 2016 #143
LOL! could be ... senz Mar 2016 #156
Ha, that was funny :) kenn3d Mar 2016 #167
One of the greatest polling errors in primary history? Doremus Mar 2016 #215
Washtenaw County only has 3% in Cal Carpenter Mar 2016 #133
Bernie held a big rally in Ann Arbor last night and one in Ypsi on President's day. Motown_Johnny Mar 2016 #148
Yep. Cal Carpenter Mar 2016 #159
I was at the rally on President's day, drove down from Detroit and Motown_Johnny Mar 2016 #203
Macomb just flipped. Sanders leads. Barack_America Mar 2016 #218
Washtenaw may just deliver this for him. Barack_America Mar 2016 #191
This message was self-deleted by its author JudyM Mar 2016 #525
Her. nt msanthrope Mar 2016 #141
Us. n/t Loudestlib Mar 2016 #306
37% in & Bernie up 51.0% to 47.1% Mudcat Mar 2016 #144
... Quayblue Mar 2016 #146
I did see a lot of Bernie swag in that part of the city. SpartanDem Mar 2016 #171
That doesn't surprise me Quayblue Mar 2016 #226
35% In Robbins Mar 2016 #149
It wasn't even supposed to be close basselope Mar 2016 #158
They said she had a 17 to 25 point lead PassingFair Mar 2016 #181
Working-class memories are long... ScreamingMeemie Mar 2016 #187
I hate it that I've become so emotionally invested at this point! PassingFair Mar 2016 #202
emotionally invested greymouse Mar 2016 #265
I'm still pulling on my oar! PassingFair Mar 2016 #274
Ive sat on my hands to keep from saying anything. ScreamingMeemie Mar 2016 #269
You and me both.... PassingFair Mar 2016 #279
Yup! ScreamingMeemie Mar 2016 #285
Kisses! PassingFair Mar 2016 #298
Open primary. I warned my Hillary fans. More than 15K request cane in party forms so said MI Jitter65 Mar 2016 #154
You make sense. demmiblue Mar 2016 #163
Why is Trump projected at 29% and Bernie and HRC are not at 35% bkkyosemite Mar 2016 #161
They can't bring themselves to give it to Bernie. I'm sure they're horrified. n/t Avalux Mar 2016 #168
As people said in the thread - different areas come in at different rates karynnj Mar 2016 #199
Because we don't have enough votes from the major Democratic centers gollygee Mar 2016 #200
Exit polls and the difference between 1st and 2nd place in the 2 races krawhitham Mar 2016 #213
Hillary supporter here. But I am objective. aaaaaa5a Mar 2016 #169
That was my back of the envelope math over the weekend nadinbrzezinski Mar 2016 #175
Kudos to you, nadin! you read Granholm correctly & realized their internals were bad! amborin Mar 2016 #504
I usually get to play this shitty game with local races nadinbrzezinski Mar 2016 #523
Thank you and welcome to the thread! femmedem Mar 2016 #176
40% In Robbins Mar 2016 #172
39% in restorefreedom Mar 2016 #174
51.4 - 46.8 Sanders with 40 percent in (CNN) Samantha Mar 2016 #177
41% in Bernie still Up over 20,000 Votes. 51.6% to 46.6%. n/t cureautismnow Mar 2016 #179
4.8% spread at 35% reporting, per NYT. I am getting slightly excited. nt thereismore Mar 2016 #180
41% in oswaldactedalone Mar 2016 #183
42% in oswaldactedalone Mar 2016 #186
holy crap! nt restorefreedom Mar 2016 #188
What site are you using? Mine is way behind yours.. n/t Motown_Johnny Mar 2016 #190
CNN........... Segami Mar 2016 #195
Thanks Motown_Johnny Mar 2016 #204
Go to CNN. cureautismnow Mar 2016 #197
http://www.cnn.com/election/primaries/states/mi/Dem pangaia Mar 2016 #225
Patience. pangaia Mar 2016 #212
In Clinton County he is up by 77% bkkyosemite Mar 2016 #189
LOL Cal Carpenter Mar 2016 #205
lol! Segami Mar 2016 #210
Have I told you Bernie Bros and Bernie Babes lately ... Trajan Mar 2016 #192
Feelin the Bern warrprayer Mar 2016 #216
Detroit will go for Hill. ErikJ Mar 2016 #193
Well, we know now that sadoldgirl Mar 2016 #194
Ok this is officially not just an upset but a major upset if current trends maintain nadinbrzezinski Mar 2016 #196
Between you and I... Barack_America Mar 2016 #257
Yes. I live in a closed primary state femmedem Mar 2016 #283
i am ready as well nadinbrzezinski Mar 2016 #291
But then again... Barack_America Mar 2016 #309
This message was self-deleted by its author pangaia Mar 2016 #300
48% in. Bernie still leads by 24,000+ votes! n/t cureautismnow Mar 2016 #201
Down by 25%, and now winning by 20,000+ votes ChairmanAgnostic Mar 2016 #211
Dear Michiganders... Barack_America Mar 2016 #206
OMG! CNN back to Bernie w/ 71% odds winning MI! amborin Mar 2016 #209
oh, I'm just going to wrap myself in that and snuggle with it senz Mar 2016 #233
What was all the talk about Hillary having a double digit lead yesterday in the media? jalan48 Mar 2016 #214
50% in. Bernie's halfway there! 51.6% - 46.6%!!!!!!!!!!!!! cureautismnow Mar 2016 #217
Bernie with 5% lead @ 50% Geronimoe Mar 2016 #219
Some quick Wayne County math Motown_Johnny Mar 2016 #220
exactly what i was going to say. i don't see where the votes are for her! Takket Mar 2016 #224
CNN is coming back around. 80% LIVE Odds to Win!!!! cureautismnow Mar 2016 #232
Looking at the other counties she is winning in.... Motown_Johnny Mar 2016 #236
I'm watching that also. For the past hour or more.... pangaia Mar 2016 #234
51% in oswaldactedalone Mar 2016 #221
NBC & MSNBC Twitter feed beedle Mar 2016 #222
Wayne 30% in Bernie down 52/46 SpartanDem Mar 2016 #223
Bernie will win unless she gets a much bigger lead in Wayne Co. - I don't see that happening. Avalux Mar 2016 #230
Based on the CNN exit polls... POC only broke for 60/40 for Clinton. basselope Mar 2016 #231
He's holding his own in Genesee. Barack_America Mar 2016 #239
51% In Robbins Mar 2016 #228
Wayne, Oakland, and Genese Counties... pat_k Mar 2016 #237
Flint (Genesee) tightened to Hillary only up by 2 with 27% reporting. femmedem Mar 2016 #253
I saw Isle Royale went for Bernie early. PWPippin Mar 2016 #229
No way Wayne could catch her up now w/out serious shenanigans n/t revbones Mar 2016 #238
The last update from Wayne was serious. noamnety Mar 2016 #260
Are you saying shenanigans? revbones Mar 2016 #313
No I wasn't saying that at all. noamnety Mar 2016 #332
Same here. revbones Mar 2016 #341
My recipe for today's MI primary. longship Mar 2016 #240
All of a sudden it got very very close...BS bkkyosemite Mar 2016 #245
This is what we've been waiting for zathras Mar 2016 #256
MSM in an hour or so. beedle Mar 2016 #246
56% in oswaldactedalone Mar 2016 #248
Boom lancer78 Mar 2016 #249
UH, OH!! pangaia Mar 2016 #251
Crap. a big chunk of Wayne county just went for Hillary. Motown_Johnny Mar 2016 #252
it's weird how a win by .1% and a loss by .1% would have such different impacts renate Mar 2016 #262
Damn. Only 46% in there. Getting too close for comfort. cureautismnow Mar 2016 #268
Roller coaster ride Land of Enchantment Mar 2016 #308
538 Nate tweets about tonight's possible historic result cureautismnow Mar 2016 #254
Feelin' Alright. RATM435 Mar 2016 #258
wow........ Takket Mar 2016 #259
Lets hope that doesn't happen again. Motown_Johnny Mar 2016 #261
Where are you guys seeing this? The Wayne County Clerk's site is useless. NT Adrahil Mar 2016 #270
cnn Motown_Johnny Mar 2016 #278
Thanks! NT Adrahil Mar 2016 #310
Bernie ahead MJJP21 Mar 2016 #263
Try CNN Motown_Johnny Mar 2016 #267
57% In Robbins Mar 2016 #264
crap. A 26,000 vote lead dipped to about 10,000 Ilsa Mar 2016 #280
Watch Washtenaw and Ingham. Macomb too. Barack_America Mar 2016 #322
Hillary will come out ahead in delegates tonight... Adrahil Mar 2016 #281
I think you are right. DemRace Mar 2016 #284
Bernie bouncing back oswaldactedalone Mar 2016 #271
58% In Robbins Mar 2016 #276
Kent County.. pangaia Mar 2016 #272
CNN showing that a lot of the college towns are not in yet! basselope Mar 2016 #273
Bernie's up by ~ 10 points in Washtenaw County with only 20% reporting Cal Carpenter Mar 2016 #304
HRC's lead in Flint/Genessee Cty. shrinks to 1.8%/225 votes Divernan Mar 2016 #275
now down to 1.6% - 205 votes Divernan Mar 2016 #315
Whoo Hoo! Sanders takes lead in Flint! 49.5 to 48.9 Divernan Mar 2016 #337
Numbers are shifting...Hillary is gaining passiveporcupine Mar 2016 #277
still holding at 58% back...a good sign restorefreedom Mar 2016 #286
It was in one big chunk in Wayne county Motown_Johnny Mar 2016 #287
Watch Kent pangaia Mar 2016 #324
Wayne is troubling. They're 50% in and she's up around 24,000 votes there. n/t cureautismnow Mar 2016 #325
I live/vote in Wayne county. It is more diverse than most people realize. Motown_Johnny Mar 2016 #339
Go Light a Fire under those Wayne Vote Counters! LOL... cureautismnow Mar 2016 #365
Wexford county is almost 2 to 1 for Bernie; my brother in law lives there; they voted for Bernie nt amborin Mar 2016 #290
61% in oswaldactedalone Mar 2016 #292
man, this is going to be close............... Takket Mar 2016 #293
61% reporting B-50.2 ....H-47.8 Segami Mar 2016 #294
61% in. Bernie up 14,000+ Votes. n/t cureautismnow Mar 2016 #295
61% In Robbins Mar 2016 #296
61% in now restorefreedom Mar 2016 #297
CNN's exit poll results are very interesting... reformist2 Mar 2016 #299
That's IF its accurate.. I saw their exit polls earlier and thought it looked like a Sanders win. basselope Mar 2016 #305
We shall soon find out.... reformist2 Mar 2016 #311
I thought it looked good when it showed him winnning annual incomes < and > $50K n/t femmedem Mar 2016 #346
Wow Bernie ahead by more than 14,000 votes in Michigan! monicaangela Mar 2016 #302
Bernie lead going back up a bit beedle Mar 2016 #303
Looks the the City of Detroit is starting to report. iandhr Mar 2016 #307
I like you guys better than TV talking heads. senz Mar 2016 #312
We like you better, too.... pangaia Mar 2016 #336
lol! senz Mar 2016 #360
I got the talking heads nadinbrzezinski Mar 2016 #355
Oh yeah... senz Mar 2016 #366
I dunno, Speaking in Tongues was a really good album. jeff47 Mar 2016 #412
I sorta liked More Songs about Buildings and Food... senz Mar 2016 #445
Uggggggg Kalidurga Mar 2016 #314
Kent County (Grand Rapids) is at 65% Bernie with 15 precincts reporting. n/t Avalux Mar 2016 #317
You ain't fucking kidding. Barack_America Mar 2016 #377
. Takket Mar 2016 #318
If the trend in Washtenaw continues, Bernie has another net 5,000 there n/t Motown_Johnny Mar 2016 #326
CNN is to have Bernie on live in a few minutes Land of Enchantment Mar 2016 #319
Watching! PassingFair Mar 2016 #349
64 - 36 Bernie leading in Arab community (did they say Dearborn??) Samantha Mar 2016 #320
Hillary is to the right of the Likud greymouse Mar 2016 #358
TYT called it xloadiex Mar 2016 #321
Sweet. senz Mar 2016 #352
67% reporting......B -50.6%...........H -47.6% Segami Mar 2016 #323
67% In Robbins Mar 2016 #327
Kickin' & a Recken' 2banon Mar 2016 #328
Ya Recken"? Motown_Johnny Mar 2016 #340
US city w/ largest ArabAmerican pop is Dearborn: 64/36 for Bernie. Arab-Americans ... ebayfool Mar 2016 #329
very cool senseandsensibility Mar 2016 #344
At 68% reported, CNN has it 50.6 Bernie, 47.6 Hillary n/t JBoy Mar 2016 #330
Bernie OkSustainAg Mar 2016 #331
Macomb, Washtenaw and Ingham are going to win this for Bernie. Barack_America Mar 2016 #333
Damn it Macomb! Barack_America Mar 2016 #342
Macomb keeps flipping. noamnety Mar 2016 #347
Actually, I now see Western MI deserves the credit for this. Barack_America Mar 2016 #372
Just flipped again. Barack_America Mar 2016 #405
Bernie back up to 3% beedle Mar 2016 #334
Well I'm surprised, good win for Sanders. Agschmid Mar 2016 #335
It isn't over yet. Motown_Johnny Mar 2016 #343
My heart can't take it 840high Mar 2016 #440
71% reporting.........B - 50.6%..........H - 47.5% Segami Mar 2016 #345
Yup I'd say that's a win. Agschmid Mar 2016 #348
Thanks and my mistake for posting on your post Segami Mar 2016 #359
No biggie. Agschmid Mar 2016 #361
My Republican brother in Florida said Joe Tippi on Fox thinks Bernie will carry it (fyi) Samantha Mar 2016 #338
Joe Trippi was Howard Dean's Land of Enchantment Mar 2016 #356
Oh, yes, I remember him very well from the Dean campaign (and I liked Trippi) Samantha Mar 2016 #374
Yes, we liked him too Land of Enchantment Mar 2016 #468
TheGuardian.com results... Orange Butterfly Mar 2016 #350
CNN is at 72% in Motown_Johnny Mar 2016 #353
it's looking good Robbins Mar 2016 #354
I keep having to remember to breath passiveporcupine Mar 2016 #351
Every primary after the 15th. jeff47 Mar 2016 #426
Sanders lead back up to ~23,000 votes Motown_Johnny Mar 2016 #357
Looking at Wayne, Kalamazoo, Washtenaw and Genesee femmedem Mar 2016 #362
Bernie now ahead in Flint by 250 votes! Divernan Mar 2016 #368
But her lead is growing in Wayne. Oh, my nerves! n/t femmedem Mar 2016 #373
that said the rest of Wayne could be enough to close a 7% gap? Did I hear this right? WOW. bettyellen Mar 2016 #378
There are a lot of voters in Wayne, and a huge percentage of Michigan's Dem. voters. gollygee Mar 2016 #403
between four counties, they said there still could be 160-200 K votes not counted. WOW. bettyellen Mar 2016 #413
It better not happen again. bkkyosemite Mar 2016 #376
Oh, if he takes Flint, wouldn't that be a kicker. pangaia Mar 2016 #383
What the hell is holding up Wayne Co? Only 53% in?? DemocraticSocialist8 Mar 2016 #363
75% reporting..........B -50.6%..........H - 47.5% Segami Mar 2016 #364
mostly college votes PeterK Mar 2016 #367
77% reporting.........B - 50.7%.........H - 47.4% Segami Mar 2016 #370
shit doggie! nashville_brook Mar 2016 #390
78% in and Bernie's lead is still 25,000+ votes. cureautismnow Mar 2016 #371
It doesn't look like there is enough votes in Wayne to pull it out for her. Motown_Johnny Mar 2016 #379
It really doesn't. Take a gander at Western MI. Barack_America Mar 2016 #382
YES, That's the one I've been watching pangaia Mar 2016 #409
68%: Sanders 50.7, Clinton 47.4 Sinistrous Mar 2016 #380
Hope nothing "funny" is happening in Wayne Co. senz Mar 2016 #381
It isn't "funny" gollygee Mar 2016 #385
whats going on with ontonagon and chippewa greymouse Mar 2016 #384
low population areas. No matter what happens it shouldn't have much effect. Motown_Johnny Mar 2016 #387
i'm not sure those counties are actually populated lol Takket Mar 2016 #389
Tribbles et the ballots. Kalidurga Mar 2016 #446
Ontonagon, great memories of my trip to the Porcupine Mountains ybbor Mar 2016 #416
79% reporting..........B - 50.7%........H - 47.4% Segami Mar 2016 #386
"That god damn firewall got a crack in it" PassingFair Mar 2016 #388
behold the juggernaut. nashville_brook Mar 2016 #394
Yes, isn't that beautiful! senz Mar 2016 #401
Even with a similar Wayne county bump (it's at 56% w/ 24k lead) it's unlikely that would swing it. revbones Mar 2016 #391
82% In and Bernie's lead is OVER 30,000 votes! n/t cureautismnow Mar 2016 #392
81% reporting..........B - 50.9%.....H - 47.2% Segami Mar 2016 #393
CNN live odds back up to 90% Motown_Johnny Mar 2016 #398
81% sanders 50.9. Clinton 47.2. HA. Everyone at once! Nanjeanne Mar 2016 #395
Bernie's lead is starting to increase again beedle Mar 2016 #396
Washtenaw just reported a chunk. Barack_America Mar 2016 #399
Bernie now up 30k votes | 70% reporting | 3.7% lead demwing Mar 2016 #397
84% reporting ........B - 51.0%........H - 47.1% Segami Mar 2016 #400
its over Takket Mar 2016 #402
I was just going to post the same thing! femmedem Mar 2016 #408
Go Bernie Go! lonestarnot Mar 2016 #404
BERNIE ON NOW! Segami Mar 2016 #406
Wooooodamnwhoooooooo! lonestarnot Mar 2016 #410
Been called for Bernie yet? oswaldactedalone Mar 2016 #407
There are still close to 100k Wayne County votes gollygee Mar 2016 #414
It's Currently 57% to 41% for her there. cureautismnow Mar 2016 #425
Yeah very good chance he can gollygee Mar 2016 #431
chuck toaster pastries spinning his ass off restorefreedom Mar 2016 #418
I hope not. pangaia Mar 2016 #421
Love his voice. senz Mar 2016 #411
The underdog is doing it!!!! Orange Butterfly Mar 2016 #415
THANK YOU MICHIGAN!!! chknltl Mar 2016 #417
whoot! whoot! 2banon Mar 2016 #447
85% In Robbins Mar 2016 #419
im calling it agnostic102 Mar 2016 #420
86% reporting.........B - 51.0%.....H - 47.1% Segami Mar 2016 #422
now clinton 47.0 bernie 51.0 Robbins Mar 2016 #428
Young Turks just called for Sanders. !! PufPuf23 Mar 2016 #423
Which county is Flint in... Genesee? SMC22307 Mar 2016 #424
genesee is correct Takket Mar 2016 #430
Thanks! (n/t) SMC22307 Mar 2016 #443
That's correct. Flint is in Genesee. But Genesee is much more than Flint... Barack_America Mar 2016 #432
And it's outrageous what we, as a nation, have let happen to these cities. SMC22307 Mar 2016 #449
NPR's coverage is a joke. Svafa Mar 2016 #427
God yes, tell me about it senz Mar 2016 #435
NPR IS a joke. Nt PassingFair Mar 2016 #436
~34,000 vote lead and even Chuckie Todd is starting to waver. Motown_Johnny Mar 2016 #429
thank you! I don't have cable love these rare media gems 2banon Mar 2016 #441
how fast is your internet connection? Motown_Johnny Mar 2016 #448
fairly good thanks for the links! 2banon Mar 2016 #453
Genesee Flint - 45% reporting.......B - 50%........H - 48% Segami Mar 2016 #433
YAY Bernie!!!! findrskeep Mar 2016 #434
They'll call it for Bernie soon speaktruthtopower Mar 2016 #437
90% reporting..........B - 50.4%......H - 47.6% Segami Mar 2016 #438
Wayne has 75% reporting now. gollygee Mar 2016 #439
91% In Robbins Mar 2016 #442
91% in. Bernie's lead is 24K+. n/t cureautismnow Mar 2016 #444
92% reporting.........B - 50.3% ........H - 47.6% Segami Mar 2016 #450
92% reporting, ~25,000 vote lead. Motown_Johnny Mar 2016 #451
92% In Robbins Mar 2016 #455
Jesus Christ MSNBC beedle Mar 2016 #456
Tightening a bit - 81% in | Bernie up 2.7% | 25K votes demwing Mar 2016 #457
Great to share this with DU'ers - Thx! Orange Butterfly Mar 2016 #460
Yeah, happy night for all Bernistas! senz Mar 2016 #520
Cheers! Orange Butterfly Mar 2016 #538
Wayne gave her another chunk. Bernie leads by 17,000 votes now. cureautismnow Mar 2016 #462
Lead down to 1.8% @ 92% in Trajan Mar 2016 #463
another chunk of Wayne came in to cut the lead Motown_Johnny Mar 2016 #464
Damnit - NY Times says choie Mar 2016 #466
CNN says the same thing, but with 83% of Wayne county reporting Motown_Johnny Mar 2016 #469
God I hope you're right, Motown! choie Mar 2016 #471
Bernie ticking up a bit Robbins Mar 2016 #474
83% in only gives her +24,000. Barack_America Mar 2016 #467
92% In Bernie 49.9 Clinton 48.1 Robbins Mar 2016 #465
92%........reporting.....B - 50.4%......H - 47.7% Segami Mar 2016 #470
Big jump from KENT.. pangaia Mar 2016 #472
Lol, see my post just below yours. Barack_America Mar 2016 #476
94% reporting.......B - 50.1%....H - 48.0% Segami Mar 2016 #484
94% In Robbins Mar 2016 #477
I think Kent Co. just said "Fuck You, John King". Barack_America Mar 2016 #475
lmao nt retrowire Mar 2016 #480
:>)))) pangaia Mar 2016 #481
NY times just called for Bernie! s-cubed Mar 2016 #485
Can't help the conspiracy feeling revbones Mar 2016 #478
No, this is normal gollygee Mar 2016 #487
I don't think so Quayblue Mar 2016 #506
94% in. Bernie's lead is over 21,000 Votes. n/t cureautismnow Mar 2016 #479
NY Times just called it for Bernie!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! amborin Mar 2016 #482
I am over the moon! Hoped, but having it really happen... Wow! pat_k Mar 2016 #491
Yes, I'm elated!!!!!!!!!!!!!! was afraid to hope! amborin Mar 2016 #515
AP calls it for Bernie nt revbones Mar 2016 #483
WAIT... Wayne is surging for you know who.. big time..... pangaia Mar 2016 #492
95% w/23k+ lead. It's done. revbones Mar 2016 #497
Tell me again. I need it. pangaia Mar 2016 #514
it's for real. we can breathe. JudyM Mar 2016 #527
YEA!!!!!!! pangaia Mar 2016 #528
WOOT! xloadiex Mar 2016 #486
BERNIE!!!!! oswaldactedalone Mar 2016 #488
CNN still says they're locked in a tight race. revbones Mar 2016 #489
I think CNN Third Doctor Mar 2016 #494
WTF, Flint? emmadoggy Mar 2016 #490
Nevermind! emmadoggy Mar 2016 #498
Thank you, Michigan!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! This is a Game Changer!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! amborin Mar 2016 #493
MSnbc just called it for Bernie!! davsand Mar 2016 #495
95% In Robbins Mar 2016 #496
MSNBC calls it for Bernie! ybbor Mar 2016 #500
95% in. Bernie still up 22,000 Votes. Wayne at 88%. cureautismnow Mar 2016 #501
They called it, so the largest possible gain form Wayne must not be enough. WoooooHoooo!!!! pat_k Mar 2016 #512
A toast to my fellow Bernie supporters. Clink. pat_k Mar 2016 #517
Cheers! What a night for Bernie. Onward! cureautismnow Mar 2016 #537
LOL!......CNN LIVE ODDS - Bernie 100% Segami Mar 2016 #502
This is amazing! november3rd Mar 2016 #503
Bernie's message won tonight in Michigan !! FailureToCommunicate Mar 2016 #505
I think it is time for a drink... Vilis Veritas Mar 2016 #508
Everyboby calls it beedle Mar 2016 #510
DONE DIDDLY DONE!!!!! basselope Mar 2016 #511
And finally: CNN! senz Mar 2016 #513
96% In Robbins Mar 2016 #519
wooooo hooooo !!! Pat Riots Mar 2016 #521
Genese just flipped to Sanders. passiveporcupine Mar 2016 #522
Last! Gregorian Mar 2016 #524
What a night. At such an important time. Wow. JudyM Mar 2016 #526

Land Shark

(6,346 posts)
6. Michigan got the Upper Peninsula and Ohio got Toledo in a trade
Tue Mar 8, 2016, 09:05 PM
Mar 2016

Still say U.P. is better.

And I will wait happily for returns rather than going with the paperless fraud voting machines.

Land Shark

(6,346 posts)
11. I never put Toledo down, I'm just holding the U.P. up!
Tue Mar 8, 2016, 09:12 PM
Mar 2016

Just about everything is worse than the U.P. according to those who live here, but that doesn't make other things bad.... they're great too, it's just that the U.P. is best! Lol.

Mbrow

(1,090 posts)
208. Ever see Escanaba in the moonlight?
Tue Mar 8, 2016, 10:49 PM
Mar 2016

I'm a troll from Alpena, the first time My mom and brother showed me the movie I was on the floor. I grew up with people just like that, my cousins could have made the movie.... I live in Idaho now ,but come back two, three times a year eh? My wife complains I sound like one of them there Yoopers the closer we get.. love me some pasties too.

Land Shark

(6,346 posts)
235. Yes, can laugh about it, but if taken seriously it is BS
Tue Mar 8, 2016, 10:59 PM
Mar 2016

Somebody who really knew the UP could have done a much more accurate job of mockery

Cal Carpenter

(4,959 posts)
93. Mud Hens!
Tue Mar 8, 2016, 10:06 PM
Mar 2016

It's funny you mention that - the only times I've gone to Toledo in the last 10 years was for Mud Hens games - they are a BLAST. Totally affordable, the action is so close, better food/drink than most stadiums, fun crowd.

For the record, I am not into baseball at all but I love an enthusiastic crowd scenario so I can get into it when I'm there.

Aaaaand I'm way off topic

pangaia

(24,324 posts)
532. Oh gross. :((((
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 01:15 AM
Mar 2016

Never ever eat a garbage plate at Nick's in Rochester
We are not known as the cuisine armpit of Upstate for nothing. )

Response to Ken Burch (Reply #112)

LP2K12

(885 posts)
33. Born in Toledo
Tue Mar 8, 2016, 09:30 PM
Mar 2016

Raised in Tampa, FL and recently moved back up and now we're living in Ypsilanti, MI. It's good to be back. Still love Toledo though.

FrodosPet

(5,169 posts)
98. Yep. The Michigan - Ohio war over Toledo
Tue Mar 8, 2016, 10:08 PM
Mar 2016

Michigan won!

"But Toledo is in Ohio!"

Exactly!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toledo_War


The Toledo War (1835–36), also known as the Michigan–Ohio War, was an almost bloodless boundary dispute between the U.S. state of Ohio and the adjoining territory of Michigan.

Originating from conflicting state and federal legislation passed between 1787 and 1805, the dispute resulted from poor understanding of geographical features of the Great Lakes at the time. Varying interpretations of the law caused the governments of Ohio and Michigan to both claim sovereignty over a 468-square-mile (1,210 km2) region along the border, now known as the Toledo Strip. When Michigan petitioned for statehood in 1835, it sought to include the disputed territory within its boundaries; Ohio's congressional delegation was in turn able to stall Michigan's admission to the Union.

Beginning in 1835, both sides passed legislation attempting to force the other side's capitulation. Ohio's governor Robert Lucas and Michigan's 24-year-old "Boy Governor" Stevens T. Mason were both unwilling to cede jurisdiction of the Strip, so they raised militias and helped institute criminal penalties for citizens submitting to the other's authority. The militias were mobilized and sent to positions on opposite sides of the Maumee River near Toledo, but besides mutual taunting there was little interaction between the two forces. The single military confrontation of the "war" ended with a report of shots being fired into the air, incurring no casualties.

During the summer of 1836, Congress proposed a compromise whereby Michigan gave up its claim to the strip in exchange for its statehood and approximately three-quarters of the Upper Peninsula. The compromise was considered a poor outcome for Michigan; nearly all of the Upper Peninsula was still Indian territory at the time. Voters in a state convention in September soundly rejected the proposal.

In December 1836, the Michigan government, facing a dire financial crisis and pressure from Congress and President Andrew Jackson, called another convention (called the "Frostbitten Convention&quot which accepted the compromise that resolved the Toledo War. The later discovery of copper and iron deposits and the plentiful timber in the Upper Peninsula more than offset Michigan's economic loss in surrendering Toledo.

Wednesdays

(17,244 posts)
184. No, but there was a little bit of sabre rattling
Tue Mar 8, 2016, 10:40 PM
Mar 2016

By some ultra militant types.
(The dispute was why Michigan didn't join the union until 1837...Ohio became a state in 1803.)

notadmblnd

(23,720 posts)
207. you from Michigan or Ohio? Reading about it, it is comical
Tue Mar 8, 2016, 10:48 PM
Mar 2016
Lucas sent a survey party to mark the Harris Line, the northern border of the strip. On April 26, 1835, the surveying group was attacked by Michigan militiamen. This event is known as the Battle of Phillips Corners. The surveyors claimed that Michigan fired at them. Michigan claimed they just fired in the air; regardless, the event had no human casualties. Nevertheless, the gunshots brought the sides closer to full-scale war.

The location of the Battle of Phillips Corner, the only battle of the Toldeo War.Copyright: Wikimedia Commons
The location of the Battle of Phillips Corner, now on an Ohio farm.

President Andrew Jackson attempted to intervene. He called for a referendum to be held in the Toledo Strip, and let the people decide which state to join. Ohio actually did this the best that it could, but Michigan did not agree to Jackson's settlement. Instead Michigan actively harassed those who had partaken in the referendum (which of course had favored Ohio).

The only bloodshed of the war occurred when the Monroe County Sheriff from Michigan went to arrest members of the Stickney family who had voted in the Ohio elections on July 15, 1835. The sheriff was stabbed in the ensuing scuffle by a guy named Two Stickney (yes, that was his actual name). The wound turned out to be merely a flesh wound, but Stickney took off. Ohio refused to extradite the numbered assailant, and Michigan grew angrier.

Contentions continued for the next couple of years, the usual one-upmanship between Lucas and Mason; lawsuits, skirmishes and arrests. President Jackson tried to calm things down by removing Mason as territorial governor. That did not go over well with the locals who buried effigies of Jackson (arson as tradition) and pelted the new governor, John S. Horner, with vegetables when he came to town. In the October 1835 elections, Michigan voters approved the draft constitution for statehood and elected the ridiculously popular Mason as the state governor. However, Michigan was denied statehood yet again.

Jackson signed a bill on June 15, 1836 allowing Michigan to become a state only if it gave up its claim to the Toledo Strip. Only after a deep financial crisis did Michigan relent, in order to receive some cushy federal money. The Toledo War officially ended when the terms were agreed upon in Ann Arbor on December 14, 1836. Michigan officially entered the union the next month; it became the 26th state on January 26, 1837.

So did Michigan lose the Toledo War? Nope. Wisconsin did.

Yep, Wisconsin. Ohio ended up winning its claim to Toledo, due to heavy pull in the House of Representatives and Stevens T. Mason's raging douchebaggery. As a consolation prize, Michigan received the western half of the Upper Peninsula (which was to go to Wisconsin) which was considered worthless wilderness at the time. A couple years later, the largest copper deposits on earth were found there; iron and gold would be found in time.

What Michigan stole from Wisconsin after the Toldeo War.Copyright: Wikimedia Commons
What Michigan stole from Wisconsin.

Michigan and Ohio today still have a rivalry although it has been largely channeled into college sports. Many probably would not have imagined that this rivalry really started over a little city called Toledo.

http://fallintoyesterday.com/2013-5-toledo.html

Land Shark

(6,346 posts)
3. Just the Counties in the U.P. that border Wisconsin are in CST, but yeah
Tue Mar 8, 2016, 09:03 PM
Mar 2016

That is why the time to.wait for is 9 pm EST

Land Shark

(6,346 posts)
8. Up here in da U.P. the snow is melting fast with sunny Temps in 40s and 50s
Tue Mar 8, 2016, 09:06 PM
Mar 2016

A little heavy rain at one point today. Ski resorts trying to stay open but that makes it tougher

 

fun n serious

(4,451 posts)
19. My husband is from Traverse City
Tue Mar 8, 2016, 09:21 PM
Mar 2016

We live in Portland now and have for over 30 years. His High school friends say they're voting for your guy on FB...

 

fun n serious

(4,451 posts)
247. My husband grew up on a cherry farm.
Tue Mar 8, 2016, 11:03 PM
Mar 2016

Anyway.. Hello!! Your guy seems to be giving us a run for our money in MI.

monicaangela

(1,508 posts)
458. It is beautiful ther Snotcicles
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 12:14 AM
Mar 2016

I lived in Holland, MI for years. We spent many weekends, and even some vacations there. I like Manistee better though.

MrMickeysMom

(20,453 posts)
16. UPpers!
Tue Mar 8, 2016, 09:15 PM
Mar 2016

It's like Northern Exposure up there.... That's okay, they refer themselves to the "lower peninsular"

longship

(40,416 posts)
50. As the Finns call it, "Up back Nort"
Tue Mar 8, 2016, 09:42 PM
Mar 2016

I know that because I are a Suomilainen.

And Yoopers still make the best damned pasties on the planet. Just give me the gravy and I am in heaven, just like a good Finlander. And don't hold back on the rutabaga!



BTW, I drove nearly 15 miles to my polling place because of the intervening national forest and the extreme lack of paved roads here. I was the 27th Democratic voter in my township after 2PM. I voted for Bernie Sanders.


jham123

(278 posts)
67. 27th???
Tue Mar 8, 2016, 09:54 PM
Mar 2016

That's awful. I mean, I was also watching on TV and I saw One or Two voters meandering around at the polling place. What's going on with that??

The TV is saying that it's just "efficiency" and they are moving folks through, but man....27 folks from the time the polls open till 2pm. I just have to wonder

longship

(40,416 posts)
90. Well, most of my township is national forest.
Tue Mar 8, 2016, 10:05 PM
Mar 2016

Just like most of my township's residents are GOP crazies.

The white tail deer out number all of us. And don't get me started about the raccoons! However, I rather like the porcupines.


longship

(40,416 posts)
113. Yup! I had my choice of ballots.
Tue Mar 8, 2016, 10:14 PM
Mar 2016

Republican?
Democratic?
Neither?

Apparently the neither was a blank ballot because my Dem ballot had only the nominees for president. I failed to note who was on it other than Hillary, Bernie, and Martin. There were two others. Ignored them and voted Bernie.

Land Shark

(6,346 posts)
198. You got to ask for which party ballot you want. Your Answer Is Public Record
Tue Mar 8, 2016, 10:44 PM
Mar 2016

They that a closed primary, but if you go on record as asking for the Dem ballot as an independent or republican, you can get one. Now you are a Democrat....

Barack_America

(28,876 posts)
10. So what happens here? Do the precincts in the lower peninsula start counting...
Tue Mar 8, 2016, 09:09 PM
Mar 2016

...but just not report? Will there be a sudden jump in data at 9pm?

Barack_America

(28,876 posts)
17. I add NYT link to the OP.
Tue Mar 8, 2016, 09:16 PM
Mar 2016

Seriously. Wayne and Oakland support are significant. Sanders strongest county will be Washtenaw, maybe Macomb.

Peace Patriot

(24,010 posts)
39. My screen says 18% in: Sanders 51.1, Clinton 47.6
Tue Mar 8, 2016, 09:35 PM
Mar 2016
http://www.cnn.com/election/primaries/states/mi/Dem

And last I looked there by county, Sanders was leading in all counties that have started reporting (roughly 1/3 of them) with reporting % from 3% to over 20%. His leads from slim to big.
 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
23. Still early but CNN looks suprised
Tue Mar 8, 2016, 09:25 PM
Mar 2016

Ok.. UPSET... will be the word of the day if this maintains, And yes, I read Gramhold correctly this morning. Been doing this shit long enough

PassingFair

(22,434 posts)
25. THE SILENCE IS DEAFENING!
Tue Mar 8, 2016, 09:26 PM
Mar 2016

None of the stations are giving this potential upset the attention it deserves. Going on and on about 4 counties IN THE UP! I'm Berning up!!!

Nyan

(1,192 posts)
75. Let me guess. Their coverage tonight will be about Kascich
Tue Mar 8, 2016, 09:58 PM
Mar 2016

And how he pulled a strong 2nd.
And they'll report with a sour-face that it was a surprise upset and a fluke for Bernie, and then he'll lose so big on the 15th.

 

noamnety

(20,234 posts)
27. Sanders ahead in 8 of 9 counties reporting in so far
Tue Mar 8, 2016, 09:26 PM
Mar 2016

vote totals don't seem to be complete in those counties ? but it's a great start!

DCBob

(24,689 posts)
40. Wayne county will be the key.
Tue Mar 8, 2016, 09:35 PM
Mar 2016

It has the largest overall population and the largest African America population (40%) and only 2 of 999 precincts reporting at the moment.

Barack_America

(28,876 posts)
41. If Oakland holds for Sanders, I predict he will win.
Tue Mar 8, 2016, 09:36 PM
Mar 2016

This will indicate massive independent turnout as Dems in Oakland should lean Hillary.

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
152. Most of those small precincts have Bernie ahead by at least
Tue Mar 8, 2016, 10:29 PM
Mar 2016

3-5 points. In the Hillary precincts it is very close.

zathras

(9 posts)
534. Indeed it did, so congrats on the night
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 01:21 AM
Mar 2016

But, Clinton still had a net positive of +17 tonight. This is the undeniable problem that Sanders hits; math.

 

noamnety

(20,234 posts)
47. Bernie ahead in 28 out of 32 counties so far
Tue Mar 8, 2016, 09:40 PM
Mar 2016

still not final votes in the counties - just the current status.

Jarqui

(10,110 posts)
59. Wayne population is 40% black
Tue Mar 8, 2016, 09:47 PM
Mar 2016

It's roughly 25% of the primary vote - hardly in returns in. That will make it very tough for Sanders to hang on.

pat_k

(9,313 posts)
52. I love the little "How Democrats Voted: Size of lead" chart on nytimes site.
Tue Mar 8, 2016, 09:44 PM
Mar 2016

It provides a great a visual for county-by-county numbers (size of circles proportional to lead). And gives the actual returns (total precincts/no of precincts reporting/vote count) when you mouse over.

I don't know why I didn't find this sooner.

Response to restorefreedom (Reply #63)

Response to restorefreedom (Reply #63)

Response to cyberpj (Reply #250)

restorefreedom

(12,655 posts)
266. it might be for a while
Tue Mar 8, 2016, 11:08 PM
Mar 2016

as some clinton heavy precincts come in. still hard to imagine losing a 5 point lead with basically half the votes counted

Karma13612

(4,527 posts)
64. The results you are reporting don't seem to match what NYT link
Tue Mar 8, 2016, 09:49 PM
Mar 2016

is reporting.

Where are you all getting your stats from?

NYT link shows a 2% lead by Bernie.

pangaia

(24,324 posts)
66. Keep cool guys.. Don't jink it.
Tue Mar 8, 2016, 09:53 PM
Mar 2016

Hillary-heavy counties have very low reporting percentages so far, as best I can tell.

amborin

(16,631 posts)
71. the suspense is killing me; just got in and husband said Bernie's ahead by 2%
Tue Mar 8, 2016, 09:57 PM
Mar 2016

so hoping this holds!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

JudyM

(29,122 posts)
91. 538 came out today with her walloping him.
Tue Mar 8, 2016, 10:05 PM
Mar 2016

and realclearpolitics had hillary beating him by 20.4.

 

fun n serious

(4,451 posts)
375. Bernie had to win by double digits to make any difference.
Tue Mar 8, 2016, 11:40 PM
Mar 2016

This is an "emotional" win for Bernie win or lose since it ot so close.

 

laserhaas

(7,805 posts)
541. Yup..... that's what they all say
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 10:43 AM
Mar 2016

All the Clinton'bots - anyway......

This was HUGE - overcoming a polling double digit deficit

in ONE DAY!

Kalidurga

(14,177 posts)
80. 538 was saying Hillary had a 98% chance of winning
Tue Mar 8, 2016, 10:01 PM
Mar 2016

maybe it was 99%. I don't know I don't really care about odds too much, I am a go for broke type.

Kalidurga

(14,177 posts)
111. I dunno about Math so much as he has a statistical model he follows
Tue Mar 8, 2016, 10:13 PM
Mar 2016

And he will even say he doesn't factor in the human factor it's all just numbers. I am okay with that. I don't worry too much about pundits and people making predictions until a thing passes we have no idea really.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
82. I'm not sure I understand what I'm seeing.
Tue Mar 8, 2016, 10:02 PM
Mar 2016

15% reporting but it appears that around one third of what I'm guestamating total vote count are in. 1) I thought it normally took longer for more densely populated areas to report. 2) Possibly some of it is accounting for absentee counting? Not sure how theirs are done. Either way I'm guessing we are seeing 33% of the votes in.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
95. From the link you gave me it looks closer on the D side.
Tue Mar 8, 2016, 10:07 PM
Mar 2016

Still interested in the numbers.

Thanks for the link Nadine.

James48

(4,416 posts)
85. With 17.4% counted, BERNINE is berning it up in my county!
Tue Mar 8, 2016, 10:04 PM
Mar 2016

I live in Livingston County- a well-off, predominately white, professionally educated area between Detroit and Lansing.


Here is the first round of results in my county:

https://www.livgov.com/clerk/elections/Documents/results/2016/Mar/4ElectionSummaryReport.pdf

ELECTION SUMMARY REPORT
MARCH 8, 2016
PRESIDENTIAL PRIMARY ELECTION
UNOFFICIAL RESULTS
Date:03/08/16
Time:20:48:33
Page:1 of 1
Registered Voters 141048 - Cards Cast 9840 6.98%
Num. Report Precinct 81 - Num. Reporting 14 17.28%
U.S. President (Rep)
Rep
Total
Number of Precincts
81
Precincts Reporting
14
Total Votes
6941


U.S. President (Dem)
Dem
Total
Number of Precincts
81
Precincts Reporting
14
Total Votes
2884


Hillary Clinton- Dem
1041

Roque Rocky De La Fuente-- Dem
0
Martin J. O'Malley-Dem
6


Bernie Sanders-Dem
1785


Uncommitted
49

Write-in Votes
3


#Feelthebern!

Barack_America

(28,876 posts)
227. I'm just trying to think which went so solidly for Bernie.
Tue Mar 8, 2016, 10:57 PM
Mar 2016

All of them, save Detroit, I guess.

Did you look at Livingston. I think we're seeing some "anybody but Hillary" effect there, thanks to Republicans and Indys.

 

basselope

(2,565 posts)
104. check out the exit polls and oakland county
Tue Mar 8, 2016, 10:11 PM
Mar 2016

exit polls show 36% of the black vote... thsts a big improvement.

Robbins

(5,066 posts)
94. 31% In
Tue Mar 8, 2016, 10:07 PM
Mar 2016

Bernie 50.9 Clinton 47.1

while i know it could still go against us it's looking good for a bernie upset In Michigan tonight.

 

Segami

(14,923 posts)
101. CNN: Independents are supporting Bernie - 73% over Hillary - 26%
Tue Mar 8, 2016, 10:11 PM
Mar 2016

Independents are overwhelmingly rejecting Hillary..........

pat_k

(9,313 posts)
100. Great little interactive demographics map on census.gov
Tue Mar 8, 2016, 10:10 PM
Mar 2016
http://censusviewer.com/state/MI

Goes nicely with nytimes interactive "How Democrats Voted: Size of lead" map.
 

senz

(11,945 posts)
105. NPR cannot bring themselves to say that Bernie's ahead so far.
Tue Mar 8, 2016, 10:12 PM
Mar 2016

They announce Trump being ahead. They talk talk talk about how far ahead Hill has been in the polls. They even had the nerve to downgrade the worth of a MI win for Bernie.

But they will not say Bernie's ahead at this point.



gollygee

(22,336 posts)
116. There aren't enough votes from some of the major Democratic areas to really say much
Tue Mar 8, 2016, 10:16 PM
Mar 2016

I'm hopeful and I'm really happy with how my county is going, but I have seen a lot of elections in our state to know that it often looks very much like we're going to go one way until late in the game when some of the bigger Democratic areas report, and then all of a sudden it turns the other way.

ChairmanAgnostic

(28,017 posts)
120. Holy Fuck, Batman!
Tue Mar 8, 2016, 10:17 PM
Mar 2016

Now, Robin, remember that we have to be nice to her. After all, she was ahead by 20 points just a couple of weeks ago.

But, Batman, how could it change so fast?

All she had to do was talk. People aren't that dumb, and between the Internet and memory, I guess they really DON'T WANT HER.

Gee, thanks, Batman!

restorefreedom

(12,655 posts)
124. i can't believe this might actually happen tonight
Tue Mar 8, 2016, 10:20 PM
Mar 2016

but yes, the more bernie is known, the more he is liked

with hillary, seems to be opposite

JudyM

(29,122 posts)
153. Yeah. I've spent the last 4 days organizing canvassing in battle creek and Muskegon.
Tue Mar 8, 2016, 10:29 PM
Mar 2016

The whole time thinking we were going to lose, just trying to narrow the margin as much as possible. Those predictions were way the hell off!

restorefreedom

(12,655 posts)
157. seems like. or maybe bernie had a last minute surge
Tue Mar 8, 2016, 10:30 PM
Mar 2016

will be interesting to get further info

and thanks all your hard work!

restorefreedom

(12,655 posts)
178. heres somehing for ya
Tue Mar 8, 2016, 10:38 PM
Mar 2016

est. % in: 39%
candidate votes % pledged delegates
sanders 202,542
51.4%
0
clinton 184,532
46.8%
0

cureautismnow

(1,675 posts)
122. CNN Dropped the Live Odds for Bernie Winning to 35%. WTF?!
Tue Mar 8, 2016, 10:19 PM
Mar 2016

He still is leading 51.3% to to 46.8%. We've been stuck at 31% counted for quite some time.

Are things getting FIXED?!!!

Avalux

(35,015 posts)
125. Bernie's lead has gone up - I'm sure CNN is stalling, trying to figure out how to minimize.
Tue Mar 8, 2016, 10:20 PM
Mar 2016

He's up by 14k votes overall, just took his 6th country. I am damn curious as to how they'll explain away Bernie's win. We are beyond a statistically significant sample, it's looking really good for him.

democrattotheend

(11,605 posts)
135. Depends where the early votes are coming from
Tue Mar 8, 2016, 10:23 PM
Mar 2016

For example, in 2006, at the time CNN called the Maryland Senate race for Ben Cardin (D), Michael Steele (R) was actually leading in the vote count because the early votes happened to come in from Western Maryland. Early votes can be deceptive.

That said, Bernie is actually winning so far in Wayne County, where Detroit is, which is surprising given the fact that he has not done so well with AA voters and Clinton's recent lies about him not supporting the auto bailout. If that holds it could be a very good night.

femmedem

(8,187 posts)
147. Wayne County just flipped towards Hillary, and Flint is going 2:1 for Hillary.
Tue Mar 8, 2016, 10:27 PM
Mar 2016

So they're probably looking at those figures. Fingers crossed he can hold on. It is certainly much, much closer than the pundits had predicted.

Edited to add: But Washtenaw is going big for Bernie with 3% in, so we'll see!

cureautismnow

(1,675 posts)
160. 37% In. Bernie still leading by almost 15,000 votes. 51.1% - 47.1%
Tue Mar 8, 2016, 10:31 PM
Mar 2016

Live Odds for Bernie went down to 30%, but have bounced back up to 40%.

 

anotherproletariat

(1,446 posts)
119. Because it doesn't make any difference...even if he wins by 10%, Hillary will still add to her
Tue Mar 8, 2016, 10:17 PM
Mar 2016

delegate lead, since the delegates are awarded proportionally, and she killed in Mississippi.

johnnyrocket

(1,773 posts)
121. Huh, a big diverse state...all of a sudden it doesn't matter.
Tue Mar 8, 2016, 10:19 PM
Mar 2016

Because those weird caucuses and white states don't matter when Sanders wins.

 

Motown_Johnny

(22,308 posts)
137. Hillary is running out of firewall. Once Bernie gets past it all bets are off.
Tue Mar 8, 2016, 10:24 PM
Mar 2016

Plus she may be starting to have money problems.


If Bernie wins MI tonight, even by a little bit, the narrative could easily switch to this being 2008 all over again.


pat_k

(9,313 posts)
126. They are actually prudent to wait for more Wayne County results
Tue Mar 8, 2016, 10:20 PM
Mar 2016

(i.e., the Detroit-Warren-Dearborn metropolitan area)

gollygee

(22,336 posts)
136. Yeah I agree
Tue Mar 8, 2016, 10:23 PM
Mar 2016

It often looks like Michigan is going one way until Wayne County really comes in. I've seen too many Michigan elections where I've thought it was going one way until more of the large Democratic areas reported, particularly in Wayne County, and then it turned and went the other way.

pat_k

(9,313 posts)
164. They are actually prudent to await more Wayne County results.
Tue Mar 8, 2016, 10:32 PM
Mar 2016

Detroit-Warren-Dearborn metropolitan area.

From
http://www.census.gov/quickfacts/table/PST045215/26163

1,764,804 people (21% of state)
40% African American

 

Trajan

(19,089 posts)
118. I think I can explain
Tue Mar 8, 2016, 10:16 PM
Mar 2016

Hillary isn't the only entity with hopes of a firewall ..

The 1% owned media is shaking in their boots ...

PassingFair

(22,434 posts)
244. This is unbelievable!
Tue Mar 8, 2016, 11:03 PM
Mar 2016

They are putting fingers in their ears and singing "lalalalatrumplalalalatrump"

kenn3d

(486 posts)
130. Michigan Primary
Tue Mar 8, 2016, 10:21 PM
Mar 2016
http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/election-2016/primary-forecast/michigan-democratic/
As of 4pm this afternoon with the voting day over half complete. Nate & Co predict 99% chance of Clinton winning.

This evening after the the polls closed and with 31% of the precincts reporting, Sanders leads by 4.5%


Cool

kenn3d

(486 posts)
167. Ha, that was funny :)
Tue Mar 8, 2016, 10:34 PM
Mar 2016

Nate's choice polling showed @21pt lead for Hillary as of my 538.link above. But today's polls narrowed that margin to as little as +7 Clinton.

Bernie has been destroying the polls everywhere but in the deep south. These Michigan results are another huge boost for him.

Doremus

(7,261 posts)
215. One of the greatest polling errors in primary history?
Tue Mar 8, 2016, 10:51 PM
Mar 2016

Nate Silver:

I said earlier today that I had an intuition Sanders could beat his polling in Michigan tonight, but I didn’t expect things to be quite so close. If Sanders winds up winning in Michigan, in fact, it will count as among the greatest polling errors in primary history. Clinton led by 21.3 percentage points in our final Michigan polling average. Previously, the candidate with the largest lead to lose a state in our database of well-polled primaries and caucuses was Walter Mondale, who led in New Hampshire by 17.1 percentage points but lost to Gary Hart in 1984.

https://www.reddit.com/live/wjul3ufigjw5/

Cal Carpenter

(4,959 posts)
133. Washtenaw County only has 3% in
Tue Mar 8, 2016, 10:23 PM
Mar 2016

It is leaning heavily towards Bernie so far -

57.4 to 41.9

I imagine it will continue to do so. Not a huge population compared to Wayne/Oakland/Macomb but significant (incl Ann Arbor, Ypsi, several smaller towns).

(edited to change 2 to 3 because math)

 

Motown_Johnny

(22,308 posts)
148. Bernie held a big rally in Ann Arbor last night and one in Ypsi on President's day.
Tue Mar 8, 2016, 10:27 PM
Mar 2016

If you remember that video of the line at the Bernie rally that was two and a half minutes long, that was in Ypsilanti at EMU.

I expect Washtenaw to be very very good to Bernie.



Cal Carpenter

(4,959 posts)
159. Yep.
Tue Mar 8, 2016, 10:30 PM
Mar 2016

That's pretty much where I am. I interact with a lot of people on a daily basis and while I don't often bring up politics they do, and they are talking about Bernie.

The populous parts of Washtenaw County are more diverse than a lot of people realize too.

I am pleasantly surprised about the results so far in Michigan.

 

Motown_Johnny

(22,308 posts)
203. I was at the rally on President's day, drove down from Detroit and
Tue Mar 8, 2016, 10:46 PM
Mar 2016

the people in line behind me drove down from the northern Detroit suburbs, presumably Macomb county but I our conversation did not get that detailed.


I think the fact that he had us driving that far is a good sign. He also did several events in the last few days in the Detroit area.


Right now, I am very hopeful.



Barack_America

(28,876 posts)
191. Washtenaw may just deliver this for him.
Tue Mar 8, 2016, 10:43 PM
Mar 2016

I'm beginning to wonder if Detroit will be enough for Hillary.

Not daring to hope quite yet.

Response to Motown_Johnny (Reply #148)

Quayblue

(1,045 posts)
146. ...
Tue Mar 8, 2016, 10:26 PM
Mar 2016


Detroit has Wayne State University, but thinking most of the students are from other counties (Haven't been home in a while). Not sure, but interesting to see how this plays out.

Quayblue

(1,045 posts)
226. That doesn't surprise me
Tue Mar 8, 2016, 10:56 PM
Mar 2016

I didn't attend (started at WC3 downtown campus) but was heavily involved in activism in that area during the 90s.

Robbins

(5,066 posts)
149. 35% In
Tue Mar 8, 2016, 10:27 PM
Mar 2016

Bernie 51.1 clinton 47.1

4 point lead for bernie looks good.

If bernie can keep this up and win michigan this could change the narrative of the race.noone thought he could win michigan.

PassingFair

(22,434 posts)
181. They said she had a 17 to 25 point lead
Tue Mar 8, 2016, 10:38 PM
Mar 2016

Now they won't acknowledge how CLOSE this is ... If we take Michigan, we can take Ohio next week!

PassingFair

(22,434 posts)
202. I hate it that I've become so emotionally invested at this point!
Tue Mar 8, 2016, 10:45 PM
Mar 2016

ALL of the party structure was/is pushing Clinton, even Sarah

greymouse

(872 posts)
265. emotionally invested
Tue Mar 8, 2016, 11:08 PM
Mar 2016

I don't hate it, but I am tired. Never giving up, though, and donating to Bernie all the way to the general.

 

Jitter65

(3,089 posts)
154. Open primary. I warned my Hillary fans. More than 15K request cane in party forms so said MI
Tue Mar 8, 2016, 10:29 PM
Mar 2016

election official.

karynnj

(59,474 posts)
199. As people said in the thread - different areas come in at different rates
Tue Mar 8, 2016, 10:44 PM
Mar 2016

To me, it suggests that this will be a narrow win for either Bernie or HRC. If there are more urban votes outstanding, HRC might make up that difference.

gollygee

(22,336 posts)
200. Because we don't have enough votes from the major Democratic centers
Tue Mar 8, 2016, 10:45 PM
Mar 2016

Most of the state's Democratic voters are in three counties: Wayne, Oakland, and Macomb. They are going for Hillary so far, but not by much, and how relevant their numbers are at this point depends on which specific precnincts have returned numbers.

When most of your Democratic voters are in just a few areas, those areas can swing everything.

pangaia

(24,324 posts)
212. Patience.
Tue Mar 8, 2016, 10:51 PM
Mar 2016

Wayne, Oakland and Genesee Counties still not done.. big Hillary areas....


Cross your toes...

 

Trajan

(19,089 posts)
192. Have I told you Bernie Bros and Bernie Babes lately ...
Tue Mar 8, 2016, 10:43 PM
Mar 2016

I love you .... Hah!

Go Bernie ... Why? ... Because he's BERNIELICIOUS!

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
196. Ok this is officially not just an upset but a major upset if current trends maintain
Tue Mar 8, 2016, 10:44 PM
Mar 2016

and I asked after Maine if momentum was changing? Oh and I read Jennifer Granholm like a cheap novel on CNN this morning. I said that internals must have been bad. I am honest, I did not expect them to be this bad.

Barack_America

(28,876 posts)
257. Between you and I...
Tue Mar 8, 2016, 11:05 PM
Mar 2016

I'm calling it. He actually won this thing. There's not enough margin left in Detroit to overcome what's left in Washtenaw.

Holy shit.

We owe a lot of thanks to Independents on this one. They were burning up the radio today about voting for Bernie. Republicans too. This is how much Michigan actually hates Hillary.

femmedem

(8,187 posts)
283. Yes. I live in a closed primary state
Tue Mar 8, 2016, 11:11 PM
Mar 2016

and this race has convinced me that open primaries are the way to go. We are really learning who is the more electable candidate in the GE.

Response to Barack_America (Reply #257)

 

Motown_Johnny

(22,308 posts)
220. Some quick Wayne County math
Tue Mar 8, 2016, 10:54 PM
Mar 2016

Nearly 1/3 in and Hillary winning by about 4300 votes.

If the existing trend continues she can only pick up about another 9,000 votes there.

Bernie is ahead by over 26,000 votes right now.


I don't see how she can win. There simply are not enough votes out there for her to make up 26K.


 

Motown_Johnny

(22,308 posts)
236. Looking at the other counties she is winning in....
Tue Mar 8, 2016, 10:59 PM
Mar 2016

all terribly low turnout. A few hundred voters for most of them.

I think it may be time to call it.


pangaia

(24,324 posts)
234. I'm watching that also. For the past hour or more....
Tue Mar 8, 2016, 10:59 PM
Mar 2016

My question is, WHO in Wayne County has not voted yet?

 

beedle

(1,235 posts)
222. NBC & MSNBC Twitter feed
Tue Mar 8, 2016, 10:55 PM
Mar 2016

The closest thing to even mentioning Bernie is one tweet where they say "Mich is now too close to call".

Bernie is close to an historic win, and "meh"?

SpartanDem

(4,533 posts)
223. Wayne 30% in Bernie down 52/46
Tue Mar 8, 2016, 10:55 PM
Mar 2016

but I take that as a positive. Detroit is slow but they're not that slow if he can hold his own in Wayne then he has a real shot

Avalux

(35,015 posts)
230. Bernie will win unless she gets a much bigger lead in Wayne Co. - I don't see that happening.
Tue Mar 8, 2016, 10:57 PM
Mar 2016

They need to call this for Bernie.

 

basselope

(2,565 posts)
231. Based on the CNN exit polls... POC only broke for 60/40 for Clinton.
Tue Mar 8, 2016, 10:57 PM
Mar 2016

That's not enough to make up the difference we are seeing right now.

Barack_America

(28,876 posts)
239. He's holding his own in Genesee.
Tue Mar 8, 2016, 11:00 PM
Mar 2016

Only down 2 points. So Flint is not delivering for her. Oakland is just about done and he's only down 2, so there goes Pontiac.

Detroit may not be enough for her.

pat_k

(9,313 posts)
237. Wayne, Oakland, and Genese Counties...
Tue Mar 8, 2016, 11:00 PM
Mar 2016

I don't want to put damper, but I'm holding my breath.

Seems like vote in other places is offsetting, but about 36% of the population lives in these counties:

Wayne County
(Detroit-Warren-Dearborn metropolitan area)
20% of population
(so far going Hillary +5.5)

Oakland County
(Detroit-Warren-Dearborn metropolitan area)
12% of pop
(so far going Hillary +3)

Genese County (Flint)
4% of pop
(so far going Hillary +8.6)

femmedem

(8,187 posts)
253. Flint (Genesee) tightened to Hillary only up by 2 with 27% reporting.
Tue Mar 8, 2016, 11:04 PM
Mar 2016

Are you looking at the CNN link?

PWPippin

(213 posts)
229. I saw Isle Royale went for Bernie early.
Tue Mar 8, 2016, 10:57 PM
Mar 2016

Not many votes to count, I guess. My son loved back packing on Isle Royale. He's looking forward to returning some day.

 

revbones

(3,660 posts)
313. Are you saying shenanigans?
Tue Mar 8, 2016, 11:18 PM
Mar 2016

At 62% he's back up to a 14k+ lead and Kent is at 6%.

But yes, the Wayne update was a bit jarring. I still think it looks like a Bernie win. Narrower than before but still a win. I read that even if he lost at this point it's still the biggest polling discrepancy since Mondale.

 

noamnety

(20,234 posts)
332. No I wasn't saying that at all.
Tue Mar 8, 2016, 11:24 PM
Mar 2016

Just nail-biting out-loud here.

The polling discrepancy is epic - but fits with what I've been hearing about momentum. I feel somewhat vindicated about not listening to the "he should have dropped out after the first primary/the second primary/the third primary" talking points.

 

revbones

(3,660 posts)
341. Same here.
Tue Mar 8, 2016, 11:26 PM
Mar 2016

That jump was a little suspect, but the numbers elsewhere are helping to swallow it back down. 20k+ lead again now.

I don't have fingernails left after tonight and may take a second dose of blood pressure meds...

Will be donating more soon.

longship

(40,416 posts)
240. My recipe for today's MI primary.
Tue Mar 8, 2016, 11:01 PM
Mar 2016

Shameless self promotion here. Nevertheless, yummy and uniquely Michigan.

More gravy on my pasties, please.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511448172

pangaia

(24,324 posts)
251. UH, OH!!
Tue Mar 8, 2016, 11:04 PM
Mar 2016

Wayne is coming in. H8illary just caught up from 27,000 behind to 9000 behind and dropping.

EEshhhh

 

Motown_Johnny

(22,308 posts)
252. Crap. a big chunk of Wayne county just went for Hillary.
Tue Mar 8, 2016, 11:04 PM
Mar 2016

It is much more of a race now.

Bernie's lead took a big hit.



renate

(13,776 posts)
262. it's weird how a win by .1% and a loss by .1% would have such different impacts
Tue Mar 8, 2016, 11:07 PM
Mar 2016

The fact would still remain that Bernie wasn't even supposed to be competitive and yet he is... but a win would be so nice.

cureautismnow

(1,675 posts)
254. 538 Nate tweets about tonight's possible historic result
Tue Mar 8, 2016, 11:05 PM
Mar 2016

"If Sanders wins MI tonight, it will break Gary Hart's record in 1984 NH for greatest upset vs. final polling average."

https://twitter.com/NateSilver538?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor

Takket

(21,421 posts)
259. wow........
Tue Mar 8, 2016, 11:06 PM
Mar 2016

wayne went from 34% to 45% and in that 11% chunk hillary jumped from 5k lead to 24k lead...............

Robbins

(5,066 posts)
264. 57% In
Tue Mar 8, 2016, 11:08 PM
Mar 2016

Bernie 49.9 Clinton 48.2

Clinton may still win but this wasn't suspose to be script tonight.

so far they are tied among pledged delegates won tonight.42 each

 

Adrahil

(13,340 posts)
281. Hillary will come out ahead in delegates tonight...
Tue Mar 8, 2016, 11:11 PM
Mar 2016

That's not in question. But whether she wins ny a little or loses by a little, the story is Sanders over performing the polls by a lot. Remarkable.

pangaia

(24,324 posts)
272. Kent County..
Tue Mar 8, 2016, 11:09 PM
Mar 2016

Bernie ahead by about 800 with only 6% reporting.

If that percentage holds, it would give him about 8000 more votes that Clinton.

He's gonna need it.

Cal Carpenter

(4,959 posts)
304. Bernie's up by ~ 10 points in Washtenaw County with only 20% reporting
Tue Mar 8, 2016, 11:16 PM
Mar 2016

That's where U of Michigan and EMU are.

Divernan

(15,480 posts)
275. HRC's lead in Flint/Genessee Cty. shrinks to 1.8%/225 votes
Tue Mar 8, 2016, 11:10 PM
Mar 2016

Even after she got her BFF billionairess friend, Penny Pritzger to pump $500,000 into Flint (Way to circumvent the campaign contribution limitations, Clintons! One of your slickest moves, yet.), Hillary is squeaking by with only a 1.8% lead!

Wealthy Democratic donors J.B. and M.K. Pritzker are kickstarting the Clinton’s initiative with a $500,000 donation.

Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2016/03/08/hillary-starts-jobs-program-in-flint-chelsea-assures-its-not-political/#ixzz42N5UotDS

Cheese and crackers! Golly Gumdrops! Don't these poor, desperate people realize this was to buy their votes?!?!?

Divernan

(15,480 posts)
315. now down to 1.6% - 205 votes
Tue Mar 8, 2016, 11:19 PM
Mar 2016

Wouldn't that be the ultimate slap in the face if she couldn't carry Flint after a half a million dollar "gift"?

You know for sure, that once she loses Michigan, neither she nor her billionaire friends will ever send one more red cent to the people in Flint! And they've seen the last of Chelsea! I just hope they got a certified check for that half a million from Hill's friend.

passiveporcupine

(8,175 posts)
277. Numbers are shifting...Hillary is gaining
Tue Mar 8, 2016, 11:10 PM
Mar 2016

I hate when that happens...you see your candidate in the lead for a long time and then bam...

50% reporting. 50 to 48.2 Sanders lead

 

Motown_Johnny

(22,308 posts)
287. It was in one big chunk in Wayne county
Tue Mar 8, 2016, 11:13 PM
Mar 2016

Watch Washtenaw, just west of Wayne, too. That should be good for Bernie and only 18% reporting so far.


pangaia

(24,324 posts)
324. Watch Kent
Tue Mar 8, 2016, 11:22 PM
Mar 2016

bernie was ahead 200 for a long time.. nothing happened.. NOW ahead by 6000 with 33% in..!!!

 

Motown_Johnny

(22,308 posts)
339. I live/vote in Wayne county. It is more diverse than most people realize.
Tue Mar 8, 2016, 11:25 PM
Mar 2016

Just because that one big 11% chunk of it went for Hillary does not mean it all will. The margin was much smaller until that one part of it reported. It is reasonable to assume it won't all do that.



At least that is what I keep telling myself.




cureautismnow

(1,675 posts)
365. Go Light a Fire under those Wayne Vote Counters! LOL...
Tue Mar 8, 2016, 11:33 PM
Mar 2016

They've been stuck around 50% in for quite some time. The suspense is killing me!!!!!!

reformist2

(9,841 posts)
299. CNN's exit poll results are very interesting...
Tue Mar 8, 2016, 11:14 PM
Mar 2016

If it's accurate within 2%, as most exit polls are, it kind of spoils the surprise.
 

beedle

(1,235 posts)
303. Bernie lead going back up a bit
Tue Mar 8, 2016, 11:15 PM
Mar 2016

and looks like Wayne has pulled back a bit as well and is back 0.2 or so in Bernie's direction.

iandhr

(6,852 posts)
307. Looks the the City of Detroit is starting to report.
Tue Mar 8, 2016, 11:17 PM
Mar 2016

That is why her lead in Wayne County is getting larger.

Takket

(21,421 posts)
318. .
Tue Mar 8, 2016, 11:20 PM
Mar 2016

bernie was up 24k before the huge wayne report knocked him down to 9k. now he's creeped back up to 18k but we wait for the next chunk of wayne to report.............

Samantha

(9,314 posts)
320. 64 - 36 Bernie leading in Arab community (did they say Dearborn??)
Tue Mar 8, 2016, 11:21 PM
Mar 2016

This is historic or a Jewish politician to win the support of this community (not totally over but looks good)

Sam

ebayfool

(3,411 posts)
329. US city w/ largest ArabAmerican pop is Dearborn: 64/36 for Bernie. Arab-Americans ...
Tue Mar 8, 2016, 11:23 PM
Mar 2016
https://twitter.com/ckilpatrick/status/707397269184778241?ref_src=twsrc
https://t.co/TIOIrBFmlC



US city w/ largest ArabAmerican pop is Dearborn: 64/36 for Bernie. Arab-Americans for the socialist Jewish dude!


Barack_America

(28,876 posts)
333. Macomb, Washtenaw and Ingham are going to win this for Bernie.
Tue Mar 8, 2016, 11:24 PM
Mar 2016

I was sweating Detroit until I saw Macomb start to pull away. The margins in these counties should be enough to neutralize Detroit. *should* be enough.

Barack_America

(28,876 posts)
372. Actually, I now see Western MI deserves the credit for this.
Tue Mar 8, 2016, 11:38 PM
Mar 2016

I couldn't figure out where his margin was coming from until I started looking over there. Atypical Democratic voters, to say the least, but saving the day tonight.

 

Segami

(14,923 posts)
359. Thanks and my mistake for posting on your post
Tue Mar 8, 2016, 11:32 PM
Mar 2016

I was trying to post results on the OP thread

my mistake.

Samantha

(9,314 posts)
338. My Republican brother in Florida said Joe Tippi on Fox thinks Bernie will carry it (fyi)
Tue Mar 8, 2016, 11:25 PM
Mar 2016

Isn't he a Clinton person?

Bernie got about 32 percent of the African-American vote

Samantha

(9,314 posts)
374. Oh, yes, I remember him very well from the Dean campaign (and I liked Trippi)
Tue Mar 8, 2016, 11:38 PM
Mar 2016

but is he involved with a campaign today?

Land of Enchantment

(1,217 posts)
468. Yes, we liked him too
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 12:25 AM
Mar 2016

and were sorry to see him go. I think he is just doing consulting but is staying out of the fray. He was Huuuge on grassroots and small donations and is predicting Hillary will win. Maybe that will change tonight!

passiveporcupine

(8,175 posts)
351. I keep having to remember to breath
Tue Mar 8, 2016, 11:28 PM
Mar 2016

I wish this was a more decisive lead, as in more pledged delegates, because Mississippi was a lot of delegates for Hillary. When do we get a big state with a big delegate win that helps us close the gap?

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
426. Every primary after the 15th.
Tue Mar 8, 2016, 11:58 PM
Mar 2016

Assuming things more-or-less continue to follow the same regional patterns, Sanders will do better in most of the primaries after the 15th.

There's a reason the Clinton campaign has been pushing the "give up, it's over" so hard, so early.

femmedem

(8,187 posts)
362. Looking at Wayne, Kalamazoo, Washtenaw and Genesee
Tue Mar 8, 2016, 11:33 PM
Mar 2016

I think he has this! There aren't enough votes in Wayne anymore for her to make up the existing difference, he's got Kalamazoo and Washtenaw, Flint is close to a tie.

gollygee

(22,336 posts)
403. There are a lot of voters in Wayne, and a huge percentage of Michigan's Dem. voters.
Tue Mar 8, 2016, 11:49 PM
Mar 2016

It'll be close.

PeterK

(9 posts)
367. mostly college votes
Tue Mar 8, 2016, 11:35 PM
Mar 2016

to many colleges in Michigan for Hillary to win. its funny how the college educated or getting educated i should say.. listens to Bernie Sanders $15 Hour an Free College and thinks this is fantastic or huge. and think that this is actually achievable.
Were the poor person listens to Bernie and says OK not in my lifetime. and i want some of what this guys smoking.. That being said Florida and Ohio will be looking good for Bernie..

cureautismnow

(1,675 posts)
371. 78% in and Bernie's lead is still 25,000+ votes.
Tue Mar 8, 2016, 11:37 PM
Mar 2016

Don't you dare rain on our parade, Wayne!!!!!!!!!!!!

Feel the Bern!!!!!

 

Motown_Johnny

(22,308 posts)
379. It doesn't look like there is enough votes in Wayne to pull it out for her.
Tue Mar 8, 2016, 11:41 PM
Mar 2016

The other bigger counties that are out are going for Bernie.


gollygee

(22,336 posts)
385. It isn't "funny"
Tue Mar 8, 2016, 11:43 PM
Mar 2016

Wayne County has a large percentage of Michigan's Democrats. It usually does come down to them.

greymouse

(872 posts)
384. whats going on with ontonagon and chippewa
Tue Mar 8, 2016, 11:43 PM
Mar 2016

zero reporting? Did someone go home with the ballots in the back of their car? Or are they waiting to see how many ballots they have to create for Hillary?

ybbor

(1,552 posts)
416. Ontonagon, great memories of my trip to the Porcupine Mountains
Tue Mar 8, 2016, 11:55 PM
Mar 2016

What a beautiful part of our state. Only 10 hours away from Ann Arbor, don't get there often.

 

revbones

(3,660 posts)
391. Even with a similar Wayne county bump (it's at 56% w/ 24k lead) it's unlikely that would swing it.
Tue Mar 8, 2016, 11:46 PM
Mar 2016

Bernie has a 30k lead now at 80% total in.

 

beedle

(1,235 posts)
396. Bernie's lead is starting to increase again
Tue Mar 8, 2016, 11:47 PM
Mar 2016

between 3.6 & 4% depending upon the results page you are viewing.

 

demwing

(16,916 posts)
397. Bernie now up 30k votes | 70% reporting | 3.7% lead
Tue Mar 8, 2016, 11:48 PM
Mar 2016

Bernie Sanders 410,181 50.9%
Hillary Clinton 380,679 47.2

Takket

(21,421 posts)
402. its over
Tue Mar 8, 2016, 11:49 PM
Mar 2016

not enough votes in Wayne left to overcome bernie's 30k lead. huge upset, now we will see if the media continues with the narrative that hillary should be targeting trump because the primaries are over.

gollygee

(22,336 posts)
414. There are still close to 100k Wayne County votes
Tue Mar 8, 2016, 11:54 PM
Mar 2016

I think it's going to be close. I plan to stay up to see if he wins! I didn't think he'd have such a great chance.

cureautismnow

(1,675 posts)
425. It's Currently 57% to 41% for her there.
Tue Mar 8, 2016, 11:58 PM
Mar 2016

That would mean a pick up of only 16 to 18K votes at that rate. His lead is 33K, so crossing fingers that he can hang on!

gollygee

(22,336 posts)
431. Yeah very good chance he can
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 12:01 AM
Mar 2016

It depends on what precincts they've counted and what precincts they haven't. The county isn't all in synch. Some precincts will go way in one direction and some will go way in another.

Edit: the longer it goes, the better it looks. Sander is up by 35k votes now.

restorefreedom

(12,655 posts)
418. chuck toaster pastries spinning his ass off
Tue Mar 8, 2016, 11:55 PM
Mar 2016

as to why they cant project it yet

clinging on to that scrap of hope

 

senz

(11,945 posts)
411. Love his voice.
Tue Mar 8, 2016, 11:52 PM
Mar 2016

Hope this is making him very happy, very satisfied and even more hopeful.

Onward, good Bernie.

Let's get there!

agnostic102

(198 posts)
420. im calling it
Tue Mar 8, 2016, 11:56 PM
Mar 2016

clinton isnt make it up with wayne county.. give this one to bernie sanders..

a state he was supposed to lose by 25 according to the last poll.. and he wins by 4? hats off to you mr bern hats off!

Barack_America

(28,876 posts)
432. That's correct. Flint is in Genesee. But Genesee is much more than Flint...
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 12:01 AM
Mar 2016

...As Wayne is much more than Detroit. As sad as it is, there just isn't as much in those cities any more.

SMC22307

(8,088 posts)
449. And it's outrageous what we, as a nation, have let happen to these cities.
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 12:09 AM
Mar 2016

Flint, Johnstown, PA, inner-city Baltimore, and on and on and on. I hope my home state of PA steps up for Sanders, like Michigan seems to be... cautiously optimistic!

 

Motown_Johnny

(22,308 posts)
429. ~34,000 vote lead and even Chuckie Todd is starting to waver.
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 12:00 AM
Mar 2016

It is starting to look like the Sanders campaign pulled off the biggest upset in modern history.



 

2banon

(7,321 posts)
453. fairly good thanks for the links!
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 12:11 AM
Mar 2016

I just got in and du was my first "go to" to get the low down. I'll tune in on line.

gollygee

(22,336 posts)
439. Wayne has 75% reporting now.
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 12:05 AM
Mar 2016

it's getting close to the point where there aren't so many votes there that Wayne will swing it.

 

beedle

(1,235 posts)
456. Jesus Christ MSNBC
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 12:13 AM
Mar 2016

Instead if saying anything about Bernie and this amazing result, they are talking about how this result might affect Hillary's running mate choice.

 

demwing

(16,916 posts)
457. Tightening a bit - 81% in | Bernie up 2.7% | 25K votes
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 12:13 AM
Mar 2016

Bernie Sanders 461,168 50.3%
Hillary Clinton 436,524 47.6

cureautismnow

(1,675 posts)
462. Wayne gave her another chunk. Bernie leads by 17,000 votes now.
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 12:20 AM
Mar 2016

The good news is they are 83% in. I will breathe a sigh of relief when they are done counting!

 

Motown_Johnny

(22,308 posts)
464. another chunk of Wayne came in to cut the lead
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 12:21 AM
Mar 2016

but 83% of Wayne county reporting now.

There really seems to not be enough votes out there for Hillary to pull it out.




 

Motown_Johnny

(22,308 posts)
469. CNN says the same thing, but with 83% of Wayne county reporting
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 12:26 AM
Mar 2016

it is unlikely that Hillary can win enough votes there to overcome the gap.


Plus Kent and Washtenaw are still out and they are both good for Bernie.



It will be close but Bernie should have this one.





Barack_America

(28,876 posts)
467. 83% in only gives her +24,000.
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 12:24 AM
Mar 2016

So, unless, Washtenaw is nothing but Ypsilanti left, and Grand Rapids suddenly reverse course, I just don't see it.

And, actually, I canvassed Ypsilanti just on Sunday. There was strong support for Sanders there, even amongst Blacks.

pangaia

(24,324 posts)
472. Big jump from KENT..
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 12:29 AM
Mar 2016

from +7000 at 44% to now +16,000 at 88% !!!!!

But Wayne is coming in big time for you know who..
Went from +25,000 at 60% To +33,000 at 75%, TO, +34,000 at 83% To +45,000 at 84%

jitters.....


 

revbones

(3,660 posts)
478. Can't help the conspiracy feeling
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 12:31 AM
Mar 2016

that Wayne is waiting until Kent etc... come in to magically find ballots... Might help if I had fingernails left after this primary, but the bourbon has definitely been helping...

gollygee

(22,336 posts)
487. No, this is normal
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 12:34 AM
Mar 2016

There is such a high concentration of voters, and particularly Democratic voters, that it takes longer to tabulate there. Their results are always on the late side. And they always have a huge effect on the outcome.

But I kind of don't think it'll swing back at this point. It's close but I'm really thinking Bernie is most likely to take it. (Fingers crossed!)

Quayblue

(1,045 posts)
506. I don't think so
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 12:39 AM
Mar 2016

Wayne County is truly its own entity. But by waiting, what do you mean? Seriously curious here.

Vilis Veritas

(2,405 posts)
508. I think it is time for a drink...
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 12:41 AM
Mar 2016

I have been watching the numbers and feel like I just finished watching Gravity.

On edit: off to donate to Bernie, again

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