2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumOFFICIAL MICHIGAN Returns Thread.
Away we go.
Feelin' the BERN!!
Okay. Results are coming in now. Follow here:
http://www.nytimes.com/elections/results/michigan?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=b-lede-package-region®ion=top-news&WT.nav=top-news
awake
(3,226 posts)Barack_America
(28,876 posts)This troll is pissed! Just join Wisconsin already, lol.
Land Shark
(6,346 posts)Still say U.P. is better.
And I will wait happily for returns rather than going with the paperless fraud voting machines.
pangaia
(24,324 posts)They have the Mud Hens, after all.
Land Shark
(6,346 posts)Just about everything is worse than the U.P. according to those who live here, but that doesn't make other things bad.... they're great too, it's just that the U.P. is best! Lol.
That's ok. I'm a Batavia Muckdogs fan.
Mbrow
(1,090 posts)I'm a troll from Alpena, the first time My mom and brother showed me the movie I was on the floor. I grew up with people just like that, my cousins could have made the movie.... I live in Idaho now ,but come back two, three times a year eh? My wife complains I sound like one of them there Yoopers the closer we get.. love me some pasties too.
Land Shark
(6,346 posts)Somebody who really knew the UP could have done a much more accurate job of mockery
Cal Carpenter
(4,959 posts)It's funny you mention that - the only times I've gone to Toledo in the last 10 years was for Mud Hens games - they are a BLAST. Totally affordable, the action is so close, better food/drink than most stadiums, fun crowd.
For the record, I am not into baseball at all but I love an enthusiastic crowd scenario so I can get into it when I'm there.
Aaaaand I'm way off topic
Ken Burch
(50,254 posts)chwaliszewski
(1,514 posts)Louie's Texas Red Hots in Buffalo, NY.
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pangaia
(24,324 posts)Never ever eat a garbage plate at Nick's in Rochester
We are not known as the cuisine armpit of Upstate for nothing. )
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cannabis_flower
(3,764 posts)Ken Burch
(50,254 posts)pangaia
(24,324 posts)I never heard of Hungarian hot dogs but they sure look good
LP2K12
(885 posts)Raised in Tampa, FL and recently moved back up and now we're living in Ypsilanti, MI. It's good to be back. Still love Toledo though.
FrodosPet
(5,169 posts)Michigan won!
"But Toledo is in Ohio!"
Exactly!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toledo_War
The Toledo War (183536), also known as the MichiganOhio War, was an almost bloodless boundary dispute between the U.S. state of Ohio and the adjoining territory of Michigan.
Originating from conflicting state and federal legislation passed between 1787 and 1805, the dispute resulted from poor understanding of geographical features of the Great Lakes at the time. Varying interpretations of the law caused the governments of Ohio and Michigan to both claim sovereignty over a 468-square-mile (1,210 km2) region along the border, now known as the Toledo Strip. When Michigan petitioned for statehood in 1835, it sought to include the disputed territory within its boundaries; Ohio's congressional delegation was in turn able to stall Michigan's admission to the Union.
Beginning in 1835, both sides passed legislation attempting to force the other side's capitulation. Ohio's governor Robert Lucas and Michigan's 24-year-old "Boy Governor" Stevens T. Mason were both unwilling to cede jurisdiction of the Strip, so they raised militias and helped institute criminal penalties for citizens submitting to the other's authority. The militias were mobilized and sent to positions on opposite sides of the Maumee River near Toledo, but besides mutual taunting there was little interaction between the two forces. The single military confrontation of the "war" ended with a report of shots being fired into the air, incurring no casualties.
During the summer of 1836, Congress proposed a compromise whereby Michigan gave up its claim to the strip in exchange for its statehood and approximately three-quarters of the Upper Peninsula. The compromise was considered a poor outcome for Michigan; nearly all of the Upper Peninsula was still Indian territory at the time. Voters in a state convention in September soundly rejected the proposal.
In December 1836, the Michigan government, facing a dire financial crisis and pressure from Congress and President Andrew Jackson, called another convention (called the "Frostbitten Convention" which accepted the compromise that resolved the Toledo War. The later discovery of copper and iron deposits and the plentiful timber in the Upper Peninsula more than offset Michigan's economic loss in surrendering Toledo.
notadmblnd
(23,720 posts)Wednesdays
(17,244 posts)By some ultra militant types.
(The dispute was why Michigan didn't join the union until 1837...Ohio became a state in 1803.)
notadmblnd
(23,720 posts)The location of the Battle of Phillips Corner, the only battle of the Toldeo War.Copyright: Wikimedia Commons
The location of the Battle of Phillips Corner, now on an Ohio farm.
President Andrew Jackson attempted to intervene. He called for a referendum to be held in the Toledo Strip, and let the people decide which state to join. Ohio actually did this the best that it could, but Michigan did not agree to Jackson's settlement. Instead Michigan actively harassed those who had partaken in the referendum (which of course had favored Ohio).
The only bloodshed of the war occurred when the Monroe County Sheriff from Michigan went to arrest members of the Stickney family who had voted in the Ohio elections on July 15, 1835. The sheriff was stabbed in the ensuing scuffle by a guy named Two Stickney (yes, that was his actual name). The wound turned out to be merely a flesh wound, but Stickney took off. Ohio refused to extradite the numbered assailant, and Michigan grew angrier.
Contentions continued for the next couple of years, the usual one-upmanship between Lucas and Mason; lawsuits, skirmishes and arrests. President Jackson tried to calm things down by removing Mason as territorial governor. That did not go over well with the locals who buried effigies of Jackson (arson as tradition) and pelted the new governor, John S. Horner, with vegetables when he came to town. In the October 1835 elections, Michigan voters approved the draft constitution for statehood and elected the ridiculously popular Mason as the state governor. However, Michigan was denied statehood yet again.
Jackson signed a bill on June 15, 1836 allowing Michigan to become a state only if it gave up its claim to the Toledo Strip. Only after a deep financial crisis did Michigan relent, in order to receive some cushy federal money. The Toledo War officially ended when the terms were agreed upon in Ann Arbor on December 14, 1836. Michigan officially entered the union the next month; it became the 26th state on January 26, 1837.
So did Michigan lose the Toledo War? Nope. Wisconsin did.
Yep, Wisconsin. Ohio ended up winning its claim to Toledo, due to heavy pull in the House of Representatives and Stevens T. Mason's raging douchebaggery. As a consolation prize, Michigan received the western half of the Upper Peninsula (which was to go to Wisconsin) which was considered worthless wilderness at the time. A couple years later, the largest copper deposits on earth were found there; iron and gold would be found in time.
What Michigan stole from Wisconsin after the Toldeo War.Copyright: Wikimedia Commons
What Michigan stole from Wisconsin.
Michigan and Ohio today still have a rivalry although it has been largely channeled into college sports. Many probably would not have imagined that this rivalry really started over a little city called Toledo.
http://fallintoyesterday.com/2013-5-toledo.html
PatrynXX
(5,668 posts)only issue is this guy Scott Walkerstan
Land Shark
(6,346 posts)That is why the time to.wait for is 9 pm EST
Barack_America
(28,876 posts)Gorgeous in Ann Arbor today.
Punkingal
(9,522 posts)Land Shark
(6,346 posts)A little heavy rain at one point today. Ski resorts trying to stay open but that makes it tougher
fun n serious
(4,451 posts)We live in Portland now and have for over 30 years. His High school friends say they're voting for your guy on FB...
amborin
(16,631 posts)fun n serious
(4,451 posts)Interesting. Mine has been in Oregon 30 years.
amborin
(16,631 posts)fun n serious
(4,451 posts)Anyway.. Hello!! Your guy seems to be giving us a run for our money in MI.
amborin
(16,631 posts)fun n serious
(4,451 posts)Congrats on your win tonight.
amborin
(16,631 posts)Snotcicles
(9,089 posts)fun n serious
(4,451 posts)Most locals move for economic reasons.
Snotcicles
(9,089 posts)fun n serious
(4,451 posts)fun n serious
(4,451 posts)monicaangela
(1,508 posts)I lived in Holland, MI for years. We spent many weekends, and even some vacations there. I like Manistee better though.
Snotcicles
(9,089 posts)MrMickeysMom
(20,453 posts)It's like Northern Exposure up there.... That's okay, they refer themselves to the "lower peninsular"
longship
(40,416 posts)I know that because I are a Suomilainen.
And Yoopers still make the best damned pasties on the planet. Just give me the gravy and I am in heaven, just like a good Finlander. And don't hold back on the rutabaga!
BTW, I drove nearly 15 miles to my polling place because of the intervening national forest and the extreme lack of paved roads here. I was the 27th Democratic voter in my township after 2PM. I voted for Bernie Sanders.
That's awful. I mean, I was also watching on TV and I saw One or Two voters meandering around at the polling place. What's going on with that??
The TV is saying that it's just "efficiency" and they are moving folks through, but man....27 folks from the time the polls open till 2pm. I just have to wonder
longship
(40,416 posts)Just like most of my township's residents are GOP crazies.
The white tail deer out number all of us. And don't get me started about the raccoons! However, I rather like the porcupines.
jham123
(278 posts)Some are going over to the Pub voting side? I mean, isn't Michigan open primaries?
longship
(40,416 posts)Republican?
Democratic?
Neither?
Apparently the neither was a blank ballot because my Dem ballot had only the nominees for president. I failed to note who was on it other than Hillary, Bernie, and Martin. There were two others. Ignored them and voted Bernie.
Land Shark
(6,346 posts)They that a closed primary, but if you go on record as asking for the Dem ballot as an independent or republican, you can get one. Now you are a Democrat....
Land Shark
(6,346 posts)Kiitoksia paljon for your local update!
grossproffit
(5,591 posts)Best of luck to both candidates!
Barack_America
(28,876 posts)...but just not report? Will there be a sudden jump in data at 9pm?
awake
(3,226 posts)SheenaR
(2,052 posts)Barack_America
(28,876 posts)Barack_America
(28,876 posts)awake
(3,226 posts)Barack_America
(28,876 posts)Seriously. Wayne and Oakland support are significant. Sanders strongest county will be Washtenaw, maybe Macomb.
Barack_America
(28,876 posts)restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)Barack_America
(28,876 posts)restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)Barack_America
(28,876 posts)restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)Peace Patriot
(24,010 posts)And last I looked there by county, Sanders was leading in all counties that have started reporting (roughly 1/3 of them) with reporting % from 3% to over 20%. His leads from slim to big.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)Ok.. UPSET... will be the word of the day if this maintains, And yes, I read Gramhold correctly this morning. Been doing this shit long enough
PatrynXX
(5,668 posts)think Rachel's gonna have to eat her teeth
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)or msnbc
This is not just an upset, but a new ball game
AJH032
(1,124 posts)That's where Detroit is.
Barack_America
(28,876 posts)PassingFair
(22,434 posts)None of the stations are giving this potential upset the attention it deserves. Going on and on about 4 counties IN THE UP! I'm Berning up!!!
Nyan
(1,192 posts)And how he pulled a strong 2nd.
And they'll report with a sour-face that it was a surprise upset and a fluke for Bernie, and then he'll lose so big on the 15th.
Land Shark
(6,346 posts)noamnety
(20,234 posts)vote totals don't seem to be complete in those counties ? but it's a great start!
Bread and Circus
(9,454 posts)zathras
(9 posts)Detroit and other urban centers aren't in yet.
Barack_America
(28,876 posts)restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)DCBob
(24,689 posts)It has the largest overall population and the largest African America population (40%) and only 2 of 999 precincts reporting at the moment.
NWCorona
(8,541 posts)That roller-coaster 🎢 tonight!
DCBob
(24,689 posts)Barack_America
(28,876 posts)This will indicate massive independent turnout as Dems in Oakland should lean Hillary.
DCBob
(24,689 posts)By a fraction!
Barack_America
(28,876 posts)zathras
(9 posts)Suburbs aren't cities last we checked.
jwirr
(39,215 posts)3-5 points. In the Hillary precincts it is very close.
ScreamingMeemie
(68,918 posts)Welcome to DU.
zathras
(9 posts)But, Clinton still had a net positive of +17 tonight. This is the undeniable problem that Sanders hits; math.
PassingFair
(22,434 posts)Berning down the house!
johnnyrocket
(1,773 posts)BernieforPres2016
(3,017 posts)Land of Enchantment
(1,217 posts)51.4 B 47.2 H
Looking GOOD.
Robbins
(5,066 posts)Bernie 50% Clinton 48%
noamnety
(20,234 posts)still not final votes in the counties - just the current status.
JonLeibowitz
(6,282 posts)DCBob
(24,689 posts)Wayne will likely go big for Hillary.
JonLeibowitz
(6,282 posts)I am guessing the result matches the pre-election polls
Jarqui
(10,110 posts)It's roughly 25% of the primary vote - hardly in returns in. That will make it very tough for Sanders to hang on.
JonLeibowitz
(6,282 posts)pat_k
(9,313 posts)It provides a great a visual for county-by-county numbers (size of circles proportional to lead). And gives the actual returns (total precincts/no of precincts reporting/vote count) when you mouse over.
I don't know why I didn't find this sooner.
Svafa
(594 posts)reformist2
(9,841 posts)Barack_America
(28,876 posts)Bread and Circus
(9,454 posts)Sigh
Barack_America
(28,876 posts)Bread and Circus
(9,454 posts)Robbins
(5,066 posts)Bernie 49.8 Clinton 48.3
restorefreedom
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restorefreedom
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restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)as some clinton heavy precincts come in. still hard to imagine losing a 5 point lead with basically half the votes counted
Karma13612
(4,527 posts)is reporting.
Where are you all getting your stats from?
NYT link shows a 2% lead by Bernie.
Barack_America
(28,876 posts)Robbins
(5,066 posts)Bernie 50.3 clinton 47.8
he's hanging on.even if clinton wins this will be a narrow victory
Karma13612
(4,527 posts)pangaia
(24,324 posts)Hillary-heavy counties have very low reporting percentages so far, as best I can tell.
amborin
(16,631 posts)so hoping this holds!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)no one is gonna have fingernails by the end of this
laserhaas
(7,805 posts)OOPs
JudyM
(29,122 posts)and realclearpolitics had hillary beating him by 20.4.
laserhaas
(7,805 posts)Really Cool!
fun n serious
(4,451 posts)This is an "emotional" win for Bernie win or lose since it ot so close.
laserhaas
(7,805 posts)All the Clinton'bots - anyway......
This was HUGE - overcoming a polling double digit deficit
in ONE DAY!
JonLeibowitz
(6,282 posts):/
pangaia
(24,324 posts)LOTS of votes there.....
Obviously, eh..
cureautismnow
(1,675 posts)JonLeibowitz
(6,282 posts)cureautismnow
(1,675 posts)71%!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Kalidurga
(14,177 posts)maybe it was 99%. I don't know I don't really care about odds too much, I am a go for broke type.
ChairmanAgnostic
(28,017 posts)See? My math is better than nat's.
Kalidurga
(14,177 posts)And he will even say he doesn't factor in the human factor it's all just numbers. I am okay with that. I don't worry too much about pundits and people making predictions until a thing passes we have no idea really.
restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)cureautismnow
(1,675 posts)With 30% counted. Go, Bernie, Go!!!!!!!
basselope
(2,565 posts)NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)15% reporting but it appears that around one third of what I'm guestamating total vote count are in. 1) I thought it normally took longer for more densely populated areas to report. 2) Possibly some of it is accounting for absentee counting? Not sure how theirs are done. Either way I'm guessing we are seeing 33% of the votes in.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)look at CNN
http://www.cnn.com/
The R side of the house is where the nail biter is though
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)Still interested in the numbers.
Thanks for the link Nadine.
James48
(4,416 posts)I live in Livingston County- a well-off, predominately white, professionally educated area between Detroit and Lansing.
Here is the first round of results in my county:
https://www.livgov.com/clerk/elections/Documents/results/2016/Mar/4ElectionSummaryReport.pdf
ELECTION SUMMARY REPORT
MARCH 8, 2016
PRESIDENTIAL PRIMARY ELECTION
UNOFFICIAL RESULTS
Date:03/08/16
Time:20:48:33
Page:1 of 1
Registered Voters 141048 - Cards Cast 9840 6.98%
Num. Report Precinct 81 - Num. Reporting 14 17.28%
U.S. President (Rep)
Rep
Total
Number of Precincts
81
Precincts Reporting
14
Total Votes
6941
U.S. President (Dem)
Dem
Total
Number of Precincts
81
Precincts Reporting
14
Total Votes
2884
Hillary Clinton- Dem
1041
Roque Rocky De La Fuente-- Dem
0
Martin J. O'Malley-Dem
6
Bernie Sanders-Dem
1785
Uncommitted
49
Write-in Votes
3
#Feelthebern!
basselope
(2,565 posts)Barack_America
(28,876 posts)Motown_Johnny
(22,308 posts)Barack_America
(28,876 posts)All of them, save Detroit, I guess.
Did you look at Livingston. I think we're seeing some "anybody but Hillary" effect there, thanks to Republicans and Indys.
basselope
(2,565 posts)exit polls show 36% of the black vote... thsts a big improvement.
Robbins
(5,066 posts)Bernie 50.9 Clinton 47.1
while i know it could still go against us it's looking good for a bernie upset In Michigan tonight.
Barack_America
(28,876 posts)Nor are the major liberal strongholds.
Segami
(14,923 posts)Independents are overwhelmingly rejecting Hillary..........
Peace Patriot
(24,010 posts)pat_k
(9,313 posts)Goes nicely with nytimes interactive "How Democrats Voted: Size of lead" map.
Trajan
(19,089 posts)FUCK yes!
senz
(11,945 posts)They announce Trump being ahead. They talk talk talk about how far ahead Hill has been in the polls. They even had the nerve to downgrade the worth of a MI win for Bernie.
But they will not say Bernie's ahead at this point.
restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)PassingFair
(22,434 posts)gollygee
(22,336 posts)I'm hopeful and I'm really happy with how my county is going, but I have seen a lot of elections in our state to know that it often looks very much like we're going to go one way until late in the game when some of the bigger Democratic areas report, and then all of a sudden it turns the other way.
restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)candidate votes % pledged delegates
sanders 141,022
51.2%
0
clinton 129,054
46.9%
0
ChairmanAgnostic
(28,017 posts)Now, Robin, remember that we have to be nice to her. After all, she was ahead by 20 points just a couple of weeks ago.
But, Batman, how could it change so fast?
All she had to do was talk. People aren't that dumb, and between the Internet and memory, I guess they really DON'T WANT HER.
Gee, thanks, Batman!
restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)but yes, the more bernie is known, the more he is liked
with hillary, seems to be opposite
JudyM
(29,122 posts)restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)but if i go there, i could do some real damage
trying not to!
ChairmanAgnostic
(28,017 posts)restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)the young turks are helping me stay sane....
Wednesdays
(17,244 posts)(With apologies to "Airplane".)
restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)hang in there!
JudyM
(29,122 posts)The whole time thinking we were going to lose, just trying to narrow the margin as much as possible. Those predictions were way the hell off!
restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)will be interesting to get further info
and thanks all your hard work!
JudyM
(29,122 posts)restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)est. % in: 39%
candidate votes % pledged delegates
sanders 202,542
51.4%
0
clinton 184,532
46.8%
0
JudyM
(29,122 posts)restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)my nerves are still cranking
cheers on the win!
JudyM
(29,122 posts)restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)johnnyrocket
(1,773 posts)WTF!
senz
(11,945 posts)cureautismnow
(1,675 posts)He still is leading 51.3% to to 46.8%. We've been stuck at 31% counted for quite some time.
Are things getting FIXED?!!!
Avalux
(35,015 posts)He's up by 14k votes overall, just took his 6th country. I am damn curious as to how they'll explain away Bernie's win. We are beyond a statistically significant sample, it's looking really good for him.
senz
(11,945 posts)I hope not.
democrattotheend
(11,605 posts)For example, in 2006, at the time CNN called the Maryland Senate race for Ben Cardin (D), Michael Steele (R) was actually leading in the vote count because the early votes happened to come in from Western Maryland. Early votes can be deceptive.
That said, Bernie is actually winning so far in Wayne County, where Detroit is, which is surprising given the fact that he has not done so well with AA voters and Clinton's recent lies about him not supporting the auto bailout. If that holds it could be a very good night.
femmedem
(8,187 posts)So they're probably looking at those figures. Fingers crossed he can hold on. It is certainly much, much closer than the pundits had predicted.
Edited to add: But Washtenaw is going big for Bernie with 3% in, so we'll see!
cureautismnow
(1,675 posts)Live Odds for Bernie went down to 30%, but have bounced back up to 40%.
femmedem
(8,187 posts)I'm all and and and I have to admit, a little
Segami
(14,923 posts)anotherproletariat
(1,446 posts)delegate lead, since the delegates are awarded proportionally, and she killed in Mississippi.
johnnyrocket
(1,773 posts)Because those weird caucuses and white states don't matter when Sanders wins.
Motown_Johnny
(22,308 posts)Plus she may be starting to have money problems.
If Bernie wins MI tonight, even by a little bit, the narrative could easily switch to this being 2008 all over again.
johnnyrocket
(1,773 posts)Trajan
(19,089 posts)Um ... Yeah ...
pat_k
(9,313 posts)(i.e., the Detroit-Warren-Dearborn metropolitan area)
k8conant
(3,030 posts)gollygee
(22,336 posts)It often looks like Michigan is going one way until Wayne County really comes in. I've seen too many Michigan elections where I've thought it was going one way until more of the large Democratic areas reported, particularly in Wayne County, and then it turned and went the other way.
pat_k
(9,313 posts)Detroit-Warren-Dearborn metropolitan area.
From
http://www.census.gov/quickfacts/table/PST045215/26163
1,764,804 people (21% of state)
40% African American
k8conant
(3,030 posts)PassingFair
(22,434 posts)MY county! So heartening!
Trajan
(19,089 posts)Hillary isn't the only entity with hopes of a firewall ..
The 1% owned media is shaking in their boots ...
PassingFair
(22,434 posts)They are putting fingers in their ears and singing "lalalalatrumplalalalatrump"
oswaldactedalone
(3,489 posts)Up to 4.7% ahead!!
johnnyrocket
(1,773 posts)Barack_America
(28,876 posts)pat_k
(9,313 posts)kenn3d
(486 posts)As of 4pm this afternoon with the voting day over half complete. Nate & Co predict 99% chance of Clinton winning.
This evening after the the polls closed and with 31% of the precincts reporting, Sanders leads by 4.5%
Cool
johnnyrocket
(1,773 posts)Segami
(14,923 posts)senz
(11,945 posts)kenn3d
(486 posts)Nate's choice polling showed @21pt lead for Hillary as of my 538.link above. But today's polls narrowed that margin to as little as +7 Clinton.
Bernie has been destroying the polls everywhere but in the deep south. These Michigan results are another huge boost for him.
Doremus
(7,261 posts)Nate Silver:
I said earlier today that I had an intuition Sanders could beat his polling in Michigan tonight, but I didnt expect things to be quite so close. If Sanders winds up winning in Michigan, in fact, it will count as among the greatest polling errors in primary history. Clinton led by 21.3 percentage points in our final Michigan polling average. Previously, the candidate with the largest lead to lose a state in our database of well-polled primaries and caucuses was Walter Mondale, who led in New Hampshire by 17.1 percentage points but lost to Gary Hart in 1984.
https://www.reddit.com/live/wjul3ufigjw5/
Cal Carpenter
(4,959 posts)It is leaning heavily towards Bernie so far -
57.4 to 41.9
I imagine it will continue to do so. Not a huge population compared to Wayne/Oakland/Macomb but significant (incl Ann Arbor, Ypsi, several smaller towns).
(edited to change 2 to 3 because math)
Motown_Johnny
(22,308 posts)If you remember that video of the line at the Bernie rally that was two and a half minutes long, that was in Ypsilanti at EMU.
I expect Washtenaw to be very very good to Bernie.
Cal Carpenter
(4,959 posts)That's pretty much where I am. I interact with a lot of people on a daily basis and while I don't often bring up politics they do, and they are talking about Bernie.
The populous parts of Washtenaw County are more diverse than a lot of people realize too.
I am pleasantly surprised about the results so far in Michigan.
Motown_Johnny
(22,308 posts)the people in line behind me drove down from the northern Detroit suburbs, presumably Macomb county but I our conversation did not get that detailed.
I think the fact that he had us driving that far is a good sign. He also did several events in the last few days in the Detroit area.
Right now, I am very hopeful.
Barack_America
(28,876 posts)Barack_America
(28,876 posts)I'm beginning to wonder if Detroit will be enough for Hillary.
Not daring to hope quite yet.
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msanthrope
(37,549 posts)Loudestlib
(980 posts)Mudcat
(179 posts)Quayblue
(1,045 posts)Detroit has Wayne State University, but thinking most of the students are from other counties (Haven't been home in a while). Not sure, but interesting to see how this plays out.
SpartanDem
(4,533 posts)Quayblue
(1,045 posts)I didn't attend (started at WC3 downtown campus) but was heavily involved in activism in that area during the 90s.
Robbins
(5,066 posts)Bernie 51.1 clinton 47.1
4 point lead for bernie looks good.
If bernie can keep this up and win michigan this could change the narrative of the race.noone thought he could win michigan.
basselope
(2,565 posts)PassingFair
(22,434 posts)Now they won't acknowledge how CLOSE this is ... If we take Michigan, we can take Ohio next week!
ScreamingMeemie
(68,918 posts)PassingFair
(22,434 posts)ALL of the party structure was/is pushing Clinton, even Sarah
greymouse
(872 posts)I don't hate it, but I am tired. Never giving up, though, and donating to Bernie all the way to the general.
PassingFair
(22,434 posts)Glad you ar3 still exhilarated... My stomach hurts!
ScreamingMeemie
(68,918 posts)PassingFair
(22,434 posts)But tonight gives us CRED!
ScreamingMeemie
(68,918 posts)You always were my favorite campaign buddy!
PassingFair
(22,434 posts)💋💋💋💋💋
Jitter65
(3,089 posts)election official.
demmiblue
(36,742 posts)bkkyosemite
(5,792 posts)Has to do with what?
Avalux
(35,015 posts)karynnj
(59,474 posts)To me, it suggests that this will be a narrow win for either Bernie or HRC. If there are more urban votes outstanding, HRC might make up that difference.
gollygee
(22,336 posts)Most of the state's Democratic voters are in three counties: Wayne, Oakland, and Macomb. They are going for Hillary so far, but not by much, and how relevant their numbers are at this point depends on which specific precnincts have returned numbers.
When most of your Democratic voters are in just a few areas, those areas can swing everything.
krawhitham
(4,634 posts)aaaaaa5a
(4,667 posts)If Sanders wins, we have a new race.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)right now it is truly in the margin.
amborin
(16,631 posts)nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)femmedem
(8,187 posts)No matter who you support, it's an exciting night.
Robbins
(5,066 posts)Bernie 51.5 Clinton 46.7
Bernie continues to hold on.feeling good.
restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)est. % in: 39%
candidate votes % pledged delegates
sanders 202,542
51.4%
0
clinton 184,532
46.8%
0
Samantha
(9,314 posts)cureautismnow
(1,675 posts)thereismore
(13,326 posts)oswaldactedalone
(3,489 posts)Bernie up by 5!! I'm feeling the Bern!!!
oswaldactedalone
(3,489 posts)Bernie up 5.1%. He' running away with it... one can hope!
restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)Motown_Johnny
(22,308 posts)Segami
(14,923 posts)Motown_Johnny
(22,308 posts)cureautismnow
(1,675 posts)pangaia
(24,324 posts)pangaia
(24,324 posts)Wayne, Oakland and Genesee Counties still not done.. big Hillary areas....
Cross your toes...
bkkyosemite
(5,792 posts)Cal Carpenter
(4,959 posts)Segami
(14,923 posts)Trajan
(19,089 posts)I love you .... Hah!
Go Bernie ... Why? ... Because he's BERNIELICIOUS!
warrprayer
(4,734 posts)In Pa.!
ErikJ
(6,335 posts)Please no!
sadoldgirl
(3,431 posts)should he get just 0.2% more it is called a win!
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)and I asked after Maine if momentum was changing? Oh and I read Jennifer Granholm like a cheap novel on CNN this morning. I said that internals must have been bad. I am honest, I did not expect them to be this bad.
Barack_America
(28,876 posts)I'm calling it. He actually won this thing. There's not enough margin left in Detroit to overcome what's left in Washtenaw.
Holy shit.
We owe a lot of thanks to Independents on this one. They were burning up the radio today about voting for Bernie. Republicans too. This is how much Michigan actually hates Hillary.
femmedem
(8,187 posts)and this race has convinced me that open primaries are the way to go. We are really learning who is the more electable candidate in the GE.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)Barack_America
(28,876 posts)Wayne is starting to break as predicted.
I'm glad I don't do this for a living.
Response to Barack_America (Reply #257)
pangaia This message was self-deleted by its author.
cureautismnow
(1,675 posts)ChairmanAgnostic
(28,017 posts)With half the vote in?
Sumabich.
I feel the BERN!
Barack_America
(28,876 posts)...please check out Livingston on this map.
http://www.cnn.com/election/primaries/states/mi/Dem
We have had some Indys and Republicans playing in our primary.
amborin
(16,631 posts)senz
(11,945 posts)feels so good
jalan48
(13,797 posts)cureautismnow
(1,675 posts)Geronimoe
(1,539 posts)Motown_Johnny
(22,308 posts)Nearly 1/3 in and Hillary winning by about 4300 votes.
If the existing trend continues she can only pick up about another 9,000 votes there.
Bernie is ahead by over 26,000 votes right now.
I don't see how she can win. There simply are not enough votes out there for her to make up 26K.
Takket
(21,421 posts)cureautismnow
(1,675 posts)Motown_Johnny
(22,308 posts)all terribly low turnout. A few hundred voters for most of them.
I think it may be time to call it.
pangaia
(24,324 posts)My question is, WHO in Wayne County has not voted yet?
oswaldactedalone
(3,489 posts)Bernie up by 5.1!!!
beedle
(1,235 posts)The closest thing to even mentioning Bernie is one tweet where they say "Mich is now too close to call".
Bernie is close to an historic win, and "meh"?
SpartanDem
(4,533 posts)but I take that as a positive. Detroit is slow but they're not that slow if he can hold his own in Wayne then he has a real shot
Avalux
(35,015 posts)They need to call this for Bernie.
basselope
(2,565 posts)That's not enough to make up the difference we are seeing right now.
Barack_America
(28,876 posts)Only down 2 points. So Flint is not delivering for her. Oakland is just about done and he's only down 2, so there goes Pontiac.
Detroit may not be enough for her.
Robbins
(5,066 posts)Bernie 51.7 Clinton 46.5
pat_k
(9,313 posts)I don't want to put damper, but I'm holding my breath.
Seems like vote in other places is offsetting, but about 36% of the population lives in these counties:
Wayne County
(Detroit-Warren-Dearborn metropolitan area)
20% of population
(so far going Hillary +5.5)
Oakland County
(Detroit-Warren-Dearborn metropolitan area)
12% of pop
(so far going Hillary +3)
Genese County (Flint)
4% of pop
(so far going Hillary +8.6)
femmedem
(8,187 posts)Are you looking at the CNN link?
PWPippin
(213 posts)Not many votes to count, I guess. My son loved back packing on Isle Royale. He's looking forward to returning some day.
revbones
(3,660 posts)noamnety
(20,234 posts)almost tied in the state now.
revbones
(3,660 posts)At 62% he's back up to a 14k+ lead and Kent is at 6%.
But yes, the Wayne update was a bit jarring. I still think it looks like a Bernie win. Narrower than before but still a win. I read that even if he lost at this point it's still the biggest polling discrepancy since Mondale.
noamnety
(20,234 posts)Just nail-biting out-loud here.
The polling discrepancy is epic - but fits with what I've been hearing about momentum. I feel somewhat vindicated about not listening to the "he should have dropped out after the first primary/the second primary/the third primary" talking points.
revbones
(3,660 posts)That jump was a little suspect, but the numbers elsewhere are helping to swallow it back down. 20k+ lead again now.
I don't have fingernails left after tonight and may take a second dose of blood pressure meds...
Will be donating more soon.
longship
(40,416 posts)Shameless self promotion here. Nevertheless, yummy and uniquely Michigan.
More gravy on my pasties, please.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511448172
bkkyosemite
(5,792 posts)zathras
(9 posts)the inner city votes to come and in. That was a near 20k drop.
beedle
(1,235 posts)[link:|
oswaldactedalone
(3,489 posts)Lead slashed to 1.6
lancer78
(1,495 posts)wayne just reported
pangaia
(24,324 posts)Wayne is coming in. H8illary just caught up from 27,000 behind to 9000 behind and dropping.
EEshhhh
Motown_Johnny
(22,308 posts)It is much more of a race now.
Bernie's lead took a big hit.
renate
(13,776 posts)The fact would still remain that Bernie wasn't even supposed to be competitive and yet he is... but a win would be so nice.
cureautismnow
(1,675 posts)Live odds back to 29%. Wtf?!
Land of Enchantment
(1,217 posts)but he is climbing again. Keep the Faith.
cureautismnow
(1,675 posts)"If Sanders wins MI tonight, it will break Gary Hart's record in 1984 NH for greatest upset vs. final polling average."
https://twitter.com/NateSilver538?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor
RATM435
(392 posts)Takket
(21,421 posts)wayne went from 34% to 45% and in that 11% chunk hillary jumped from 5k lead to 24k lead...............
Motown_Johnny
(22,308 posts)That one hurt.
Adrahil
(13,340 posts)Motown_Johnny
(22,308 posts)Adrahil
(13,340 posts)MJJP21
(329 posts)Washington Post is reporting with 43% tallied Sanders is ahead of Clinton 51% to 46%.
March 8 U.S. Primaries Caucuses Election Results - The Washington Post
https://www.washingtonpost.com/2016-election-results/us-primaries/?hpid=hp_hp-top-table-main_0308-graphic1%3Aelections-2016%2Fstate-single
Motown_Johnny
(22,308 posts)Robbins
(5,066 posts)Bernie 49.9 Clinton 48.2
Clinton may still win but this wasn't suspose to be script tonight.
so far they are tied among pledged delegates won tonight.42 each
Ilsa
(61,675 posts)in a matter of a few minutes.
Barack_America
(28,876 posts)Adrahil
(13,340 posts)That's not in question. But whether she wins ny a little or loses by a little, the story is Sanders over performing the polls by a lot. Remarkable.
DemRace
(28 posts)oswaldactedalone
(3,489 posts)Lead up to 1.8 and 11,000 votes
Robbins
(5,066 posts)Bernie 49.9 clinton 48.1
pangaia
(24,324 posts)Bernie ahead by about 800 with only 6% reporting.
If that percentage holds, it would give him about 8000 more votes that Clinton.
He's gonna need it.
basselope
(2,565 posts)Cal Carpenter
(4,959 posts)That's where U of Michigan and EMU are.
Divernan
(15,480 posts)Even after she got her BFF billionairess friend, Penny Pritzger to pump $500,000 into Flint (Way to circumvent the campaign contribution limitations, Clintons! One of your slickest moves, yet.), Hillary is squeaking by with only a 1.8% lead!
Wealthy Democratic donors J.B. and M.K. Pritzker are kickstarting the Clintons initiative with a $500,000 donation.
Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2016/03/08/hillary-starts-jobs-program-in-flint-chelsea-assures-its-not-political/#ixzz42N5UotDS
Cheese and crackers! Golly Gumdrops! Don't these poor, desperate people realize this was to buy their votes?!?!?
Divernan
(15,480 posts)Wouldn't that be the ultimate slap in the face if she couldn't carry Flint after a half a million dollar "gift"?
You know for sure, that once she loses Michigan, neither she nor her billionaire friends will ever send one more red cent to the people in Flint! And they've seen the last of Chelsea! I just hope they got a certified check for that half a million from Hill's friend.
Divernan
(15,480 posts)passiveporcupine
(8,175 posts)I hate when that happens...you see your candidate in the lead for a long time and then bam...
50% reporting. 50 to 48.2 Sanders lead
restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)sanders 288,193
50.0%
41
clinton 277,723
48.2%
41
Motown_Johnny
(22,308 posts)Watch Washtenaw, just west of Wayne, too. That should be good for Bernie and only 18% reporting so far.
pangaia
(24,324 posts)bernie was ahead 200 for a long time.. nothing happened.. NOW ahead by 6000 with 33% in..!!!
cureautismnow
(1,675 posts)Motown_Johnny
(22,308 posts)Just because that one big 11% chunk of it went for Hillary does not mean it all will. The margin was much smaller until that one part of it reported. It is reasonable to assume it won't all do that.
At least that is what I keep telling myself.
cureautismnow
(1,675 posts)They've been stuck around 50% in for quite some time. The suspense is killing me!!!!!!
amborin
(16,631 posts)oswaldactedalone
(3,489 posts)Lead up to 2.4. We've got this!!!
Takket
(21,421 posts)Segami
(14,923 posts)cureautismnow
(1,675 posts)Robbins
(5,066 posts)Bernie 50.2 clinton 47.8
bernie's lead went back up
restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)sanders 306,759
50.2%
41
clinton 292,331
47.8%
41
reformist2
(9,841 posts)If it's accurate within 2%, as most exit polls are, it kind of spoils the surprise.
basselope
(2,565 posts)reformist2
(9,841 posts)femmedem
(8,187 posts)monicaangela
(1,508 posts)beedle
(1,235 posts)and looks like Wayne has pulled back a bit as well and is back 0.2 or so in Bernie's direction.
iandhr
(6,852 posts)That is why her lead in Wayne County is getting larger.
senz
(11,945 posts)pangaia
(24,324 posts)nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)and at times I want to hit my head on a wall
senz
(11,945 posts)it's better in here ...
jeff47
(26,549 posts)Oh wait...different talking heads.
senz
(11,945 posts)great night though, isn't it?
Kalidurga
(14,177 posts)My home county.
Avalux
(35,015 posts)Barack_America
(28,876 posts)Holy shit, Kent!
Takket
(21,421 posts)bernie was up 24k before the huge wayne report knocked him down to 9k. now he's creeped back up to 18k but we wait for the next chunk of wayne to report.............
Motown_Johnny
(22,308 posts)Land of Enchantment
(1,217 posts)can't wait!!!
Keep the Faith!
PassingFair
(22,434 posts)They are GOBSMACKED! Except for Van Jones!!
Samantha
(9,314 posts)This is historic or a Jewish politician to win the support of this community (not totally over but looks good)
Sam
greymouse
(872 posts)I guess Arab-Americans have been paying attention!
xloadiex
(628 posts)for Bernie
Hope they're right.
Segami
(14,923 posts)Robbins
(5,066 posts)Bernie 50.6 Clinton 47.6
2banon
(7,321 posts)Motown_Johnny
(22,308 posts)ebayfool
(3,411 posts)https://t.co/TIOIrBFmlC
US city w/ largest ArabAmerican pop is Dearborn: 64/36 for Bernie. Arab-Americans for the socialist Jewish dude!
senseandsensibility
(16,712 posts)indeed
JBoy
(8,021 posts)OkSustainAg
(203 posts)Ahead in the county with Flint.
7,127
7,045
Barack_America
(28,876 posts)I was sweating Detroit until I saw Macomb start to pull away. The margins in these counties should be enough to neutralize Detroit. *should* be enough.
Barack_America
(28,876 posts)Now I'm not so sure.
noamnety
(20,234 posts)could go either way.
Barack_America
(28,876 posts)I couldn't figure out where his margin was coming from until I started looking over there. Atypical Democratic voters, to say the least, but saving the day tonight.
Barack_America
(28,876 posts)beedle
(1,235 posts)and also moved up 1% as well in Wayne.
CNN
Agschmid
(28,749 posts)Motown_Johnny
(22,308 posts)No way to know just exactly what votes are out in Wayne county.
840high
(17,196 posts)Segami
(14,923 posts)Agschmid
(28,749 posts)Segami
(14,923 posts)I was trying to post results on the OP thread
my mistake.
Agschmid
(28,749 posts)Samantha
(9,314 posts)Isn't he a Clinton person?
Bernie got about 32 percent of the African-American vote
Land of Enchantment
(1,217 posts)campaign manager until Dean fired him...
Samantha
(9,314 posts)but is he involved with a campaign today?
Land of Enchantment
(1,217 posts)and were sorry to see him go. I think he is just doing consulting but is staying out of the fray. He was Huuuge on grassroots and small donations and is predicting Hillary will win. Maybe that will change tonight!
Orange Butterfly
(205 posts)61.3 % of precincts in:
Bernie - 50.6
Hillary - 47.6
This is great news Bernie!!!!
Motown_Johnny
(22,308 posts)Robbins
(5,066 posts)bernie is at 3% lead
passiveporcupine
(8,175 posts)I wish this was a more decisive lead, as in more pledged delegates, because Mississippi was a lot of delegates for Hillary. When do we get a big state with a big delegate win that helps us close the gap?
jeff47
(26,549 posts)Assuming things more-or-less continue to follow the same regional patterns, Sanders will do better in most of the primaries after the 15th.
There's a reason the Clinton campaign has been pushing the "give up, it's over" so hard, so early.
Motown_Johnny
(22,308 posts)That should help... some breathing room.
femmedem
(8,187 posts)I think he has this! There aren't enough votes in Wayne anymore for her to make up the existing difference, he's got Kalamazoo and Washtenaw, Flint is close to a tie.
Divernan
(15,480 posts)femmedem
(8,187 posts)bettyellen
(47,209 posts)gollygee
(22,336 posts)It'll be close.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)bkkyosemite
(5,792 posts)pangaia
(24,324 posts)DemocraticSocialist8
(396 posts)Segami
(14,923 posts)PeterK
(9 posts)to many colleges in Michigan for Hillary to win. its funny how the college educated or getting educated i should say.. listens to Bernie Sanders $15 Hour an Free College and thinks this is fantastic or huge. and think that this is actually achievable.
Were the poor person listens to Bernie and says OK not in my lifetime. and i want some of what this guys smoking.. That being said Florida and Ohio will be looking good for Bernie..
Segami
(14,923 posts)nashville_brook
(20,958 posts)woo to the hoo!
cureautismnow
(1,675 posts)Don't you dare rain on our parade, Wayne!!!!!!!!!!!!
Feel the Bern!!!!!
Motown_Johnny
(22,308 posts)The other bigger counties that are out are going for Bernie.
Barack_America
(28,876 posts)Holy shit, Kent!
pangaia
(24,324 posts)8000 vote lead with only 44% reporting.
Sinistrous
(4,249 posts)senz
(11,945 posts)Seen this scenario before ...
gollygee
(22,336 posts)Wayne County has a large percentage of Michigan's Democrats. It usually does come down to them.
greymouse
(872 posts)zero reporting? Did someone go home with the ballots in the back of their car? Or are they waiting to see how many ballots they have to create for Hillary?
Motown_Johnny
(22,308 posts)Takket
(21,421 posts)Kalidurga
(14,177 posts)ybbor
(1,552 posts)What a beautiful part of our state. Only 10 hours away from Ann Arbor, don't get there often.
Segami
(14,923 posts)PassingFair
(22,434 posts)Blessings on Killer Mike and BLACK YOUTH!!
nashville_brook
(20,958 posts)senz
(11,945 posts)Finally.
revbones
(3,660 posts)Bernie has a 30k lead now at 80% total in.
cureautismnow
(1,675 posts)Segami
(14,923 posts)Motown_Johnny
(22,308 posts)Nanjeanne
(4,877 posts)beedle
(1,235 posts)between 3.6 & 4% depending upon the results page you are viewing.
Barack_America
(28,876 posts)This is officially the Washtenaw + Kent vs. Detroit show.
demwing
(16,916 posts)Bernie Sanders 410,181 50.9%
Hillary Clinton 380,679 47.2
Segami
(14,923 posts)Takket
(21,421 posts)not enough votes in Wayne left to overcome bernie's 30k lead. huge upset, now we will see if the media continues with the narrative that hillary should be targeting trump because the primaries are over.
femmedem
(8,187 posts)I never thought he'd be able to do this!
lonestarnot
(77,097 posts)Segami
(14,923 posts)lonestarnot
(77,097 posts)oswaldactedalone
(3,489 posts)nm
gollygee
(22,336 posts)I think it's going to be close. I plan to stay up to see if he wins! I didn't think he'd have such a great chance.
cureautismnow
(1,675 posts)That would mean a pick up of only 16 to 18K votes at that rate. His lead is 33K, so crossing fingers that he can hang on!
gollygee
(22,336 posts)It depends on what precincts they've counted and what precincts they haven't. The county isn't all in synch. Some precincts will go way in one direction and some will go way in another.
Edit: the longer it goes, the better it looks. Sander is up by 35k votes now.
restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)as to why they cant project it yet
clinging on to that scrap of hope
pangaia
(24,324 posts)No jinxes !!!!
senz
(11,945 posts)Hope this is making him very happy, very satisfied and even more hopeful.
Onward, good Bernie.
Let's get there!
Orange Butterfly
(205 posts)chknltl
(10,558 posts)2banon
(7,321 posts)Robbins
(5,066 posts)Bernie 50.9 Clinton 47.1
agnostic102
(198 posts)clinton isnt make it up with wayne county.. give this one to bernie sanders..
a state he was supposed to lose by 25 according to the last poll.. and he wins by 4? hats off to you mr bern hats off!
Segami
(14,923 posts)Robbins
(5,066 posts)looking good for bernie in the upset.
PufPuf23
(8,687 posts)Nice upset for Sanders.
SMC22307
(8,088 posts)Guardian says he's up 50.4% to 47.8% with 45.2% reporting.
Takket
(21,421 posts)SMC22307
(8,088 posts)Barack_America
(28,876 posts)...As Wayne is much more than Detroit. As sad as it is, there just isn't as much in those cities any more.
SMC22307
(8,088 posts)Flint, Johnstown, PA, inner-city Baltimore, and on and on and on. I hope my home state of PA steps up for Sanders, like Michigan seems to be... cautiously optimistic!
Svafa
(594 posts)senz
(11,945 posts)totally in the bag for Hill.
PassingFair
(22,434 posts)Motown_Johnny
(22,308 posts)It is starting to look like the Sanders campaign pulled off the biggest upset in modern history.
2banon
(7,321 posts)thanks again for sharing.
Motown_Johnny
(22,308 posts)2banon
(7,321 posts)I just got in and du was my first "go to" to get the low down. I'll tune in on line.
Segami
(14,923 posts)findrskeep
(713 posts)Going to donate!!!
speaktruthtopower
(800 posts)Segami
(14,923 posts)gollygee
(22,336 posts)it's getting close to the point where there aren't so many votes there that Wayne will swing it.
Robbins
(5,066 posts)Bernie 50.3 Clinton 47.7
cureautismnow
(1,675 posts)Segami
(14,923 posts)Motown_Johnny
(22,308 posts)Robbins
(5,066 posts)Bernie 50.4 Clinton 47.6
beedle
(1,235 posts)Instead if saying anything about Bernie and this amazing result, they are talking about how this result might affect Hillary's running mate choice.
demwing
(16,916 posts)Bernie Sanders 461,168 50.3%
Hillary Clinton 436,524 47.6
Orange Butterfly
(205 posts)senz
(11,945 posts)Glad you were here!
Orange Butterfly
(205 posts)cureautismnow
(1,675 posts)The good news is they are 83% in. I will breathe a sigh of relief when they are done counting!
Trajan
(19,089 posts)Damn ... keep it going Bernie!
Motown_Johnny
(22,308 posts)but 83% of Wayne county reporting now.
There really seems to not be enough votes out there for Hillary to pull it out.
choie
(4,102 posts)Bernie 49.9 Clinton 48.1
Motown_Johnny
(22,308 posts)it is unlikely that Hillary can win enough votes there to overcome the gap.
Plus Kent and Washtenaw are still out and they are both good for Bernie.
It will be close but Bernie should have this one.
choie
(4,102 posts)Robbins
(5,066 posts)now 50.4 to clinton 47.6
Barack_America
(28,876 posts)So, unless, Washtenaw is nothing but Ypsilanti left, and Grand Rapids suddenly reverse course, I just don't see it.
And, actually, I canvassed Ypsilanti just on Sunday. There was strong support for Sanders there, even amongst Blacks.
Robbins
(5,066 posts)it getting tighter.
Segami
(14,923 posts)pangaia
(24,324 posts)from +7000 at 44% to now +16,000 at 88% !!!!!
But Wayne is coming in big time for you know who..
Went from +25,000 at 60% To +33,000 at 75%, TO, +34,000 at 83% To +45,000 at 84%
jitters.....
Barack_America
(28,876 posts)Segami
(14,923 posts)Bernie 50.1 Clinton 48.0
Barack_America
(28,876 posts)Dumped a ton of Sanders votes just after he doubted them.
retrowire
(10,345 posts)pangaia
(24,324 posts)s-cubed
(1,385 posts)revbones
(3,660 posts)that Wayne is waiting until Kent etc... come in to magically find ballots... Might help if I had fingernails left after this primary, but the bourbon has definitely been helping...
gollygee
(22,336 posts)There is such a high concentration of voters, and particularly Democratic voters, that it takes longer to tabulate there. Their results are always on the late side. And they always have a huge effect on the outcome.
But I kind of don't think it'll swing back at this point. It's close but I'm really thinking Bernie is most likely to take it. (Fingers crossed!)
Quayblue
(1,045 posts)Wayne County is truly its own entity. But by waiting, what do you mean? Seriously curious here.
cureautismnow
(1,675 posts)amborin
(16,631 posts)pat_k
(9,313 posts)amborin
(16,631 posts)revbones
(3,660 posts)pangaia
(24,324 posts)Don't let those news idiots jinx us...
revbones
(3,660 posts)pangaia
(24,324 posts)JudyM
(29,122 posts)pangaia
(24,324 posts)xloadiex
(628 posts)oswaldactedalone
(3,489 posts)MSNBC calls it for Bernie!!
revbones
(3,660 posts)Third Doctor
(1,574 posts)is still cautious due to what happened back in 2000.
emmadoggy
(2,142 posts)Flipped from Bernie to Hillary.
emmadoggy
(2,142 posts)It just flipped back!
amborin
(16,631 posts)davsand
(13,420 posts)Robbins
(5,066 posts)Bernie 50.1 CLinton 48.0
ybbor
(1,552 posts)Woohoo!
So proud of my state!
cureautismnow
(1,675 posts)It's about time to summon the ghost of Don Meredith.
pat_k
(9,313 posts)pat_k
(9,313 posts)cureautismnow
(1,675 posts)Segami
(14,923 posts)november3rd
(1,113 posts)HUGE
FailureToCommunicate
(13,988 posts)Vilis Veritas
(2,405 posts)I have been watching the numbers and feel like I just finished watching Gravity.
On edit: off to donate to Bernie, again
beedle
(1,235 posts)AP, CNN, NBC -- Sanders wins.
basselope
(2,565 posts)goes the dynamite!
senz
(11,945 posts)Game changer!
Robbins
(5,066 posts)Bernie 50% Clinton 48%
pledged delegates-Bernie 44 Clinton 43
Pat Riots
(76 posts)Thanks Michigan !
passiveporcupine
(8,175 posts)Is that how he got the extra delegate?
Gregorian
(23,867 posts)JudyM
(29,122 posts)and WOOHOO!!