2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumIf Sanders becomes the nominee, it'll be due to overwhelming support from non-democrats
My concern is, what if the independents who vote for him in the primaries turn around and vote for Trump in the General Election? Trump is the teflon candidate of 2016. He can say and do whatever he wants without losing support, but Bernie won't get the same pass. There's no chance of Hillary supporters voting Trump, but Bernie's supporters, between the reliability issues of young voters, and the lack of party affiliation, are much more of a wild card.
What do you think?
Renew Deal
(81,851 posts)Kalidurga
(14,177 posts)roughly speaking of course.
bunnies
(15,859 posts)What the fuck?!
fried eggs
(910 posts)winning independents by double digits. Where is the insult?
bunnies
(15,859 posts)As a Bernie supporter I find that offensive. I would NEVER vote for trump.
PyaarRevolution
(814 posts)I can see supporters of Trump possibly moving to Bernie in the GE but find it unlikely the other way around. I don't like this racist crap from Trump. Sure he might not do it but people thought Hitler wasn't going to go after the Jews. I'm not saying Trump will put Muslims in camps but I could see him blocking them from accessing the U.S. I mean I could see him following through on something that stupid.
bunnies
(15,859 posts)yardwork
(61,585 posts)The OP's point is that independents who vote in a Democratic primary might end up supporting the Republican in the GE.
bunnies
(15,859 posts)I've been a dem since I was old enough to vote. But I've learned via DU that Bernie supporters are not real dems and the great purge will make it all right with the world.
valerief
(53,235 posts)fried eggs
(910 posts)valerief
(53,235 posts)If exit polls mattered, John Kerry would have been our 2004 president.
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)fried eggs
(910 posts)Why not?
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)JonLeibowitz
(6,282 posts)awake
(3,226 posts)Tonight may be the turning point
EmperorHasNoClothes
(4,797 posts)You know, like the Sanders supporters on this board. But thanks for being so dismissive.
fried eggs
(910 posts)EmperorHasNoClothes
(4,797 posts)The polls consistently show Bernie beating Trump by a much wider margin than Hillary. So I think your concerns are unfounded.
arcane1
(38,613 posts)We can ask pointless hypotheticals all day. It won't accomplish shit.
Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)Motown_Johnny
(22,308 posts)Bernie beats the hell out of Trump in all polls. More than Clinton does in 6 out of the 7 last national polls.
BernieforPres2016
(3,017 posts)Independents who want to vote for Trump would be voting for him in the Republican primary instead of voting for Bernie in the Democratic primary. I am registered as an Independent because both the DNC and RNC are corporatist organizations that disgust me.
fried eggs
(910 posts)Maybe they'll stick with him after he's attacked, maybe they won't. Either way, many independents are low information voters who are easily influenced by media spin.
BernieforPres2016
(3,017 posts)That's the last post of yours I'll see.
TriplD
(176 posts)I think that is a good thing if Bernie is getting more people to sign up as Democrats.
MelungeonWoman
(502 posts)Nate Silver says 7% of Dems voted in the Repub primary, 3% of Repubs voted in the Democratic primary.
Bjorn Against
(12,041 posts)The idea that Bernie supporters are likely to decide to vote for a billionaire instead is absurd.
Warren Stupidity
(48,181 posts)Rosa Luxemburg
(28,627 posts)Hillary doesn't appeal across the political spectrum
ScreamingMeemie
(68,918 posts)and campaigned for them, sent money to them. ONLY them. I would have been one of the Independents voting for Bernie if I still lived in Michigan. In the blue collar areas of SE MI, those INs are left-leaning.
Erich Bloodaxe BSN
(14,733 posts)Bernie splits em. Indies are wanting an 'outsider' this year. So Bernie's better on that.
reformist2
(9,841 posts)TM99
(8,352 posts)bullshit.
Independents exist on the left of the spectrum and the right. Those that are turning out in high numbers for Sanders are on the left. We will not vote for Trump in the GE. That makes zero sense. We are Greens, socialists, unaffiliateds, etc. but we are not conservatives on the right side of the political spectrum.
Zorra
(27,670 posts)join with these independents and the Greens and other smaller progressive parties to form a new progressive party that will be powerful enough to defeat the Third Way/New Democrat party.
FlatBaroque
(3,160 posts)get used to saying President Bernie
corbettkroehler
(1,898 posts)I know first-hand of 2 Republicans who have stated publicly that they respect Bernie. I take that to mean that, in the general, if Drumpf is the nominee, they could vote Sanders. His choice of runningmate likely would be a factor.
Chan790
(20,176 posts)Trump is only teflon because he has the support of the largest minority-faction of the GOP.
Most Republicans oppose his candidacy.
Most independents oppose his candidacy.
He's pretty much the most-crossover-proof candidate for Democrats in my lifetime. (I'm 36 if that matters.)
Trump is fucked in a General Election and everybody knows it but his supporters...he's the GOP's Mondale. (I really like Walter Mondale but he was a "no-chance" candidate in 1984 and he performed to expectations.)
Short of something insane happening like Hillary pulling a Lieberman against the rightful Democratic nominee, Sen. Sanders...there is no threat to our chances in the GE from a Sanders nomination, especially against Trump. I'm more concerned that all the not-Trump candidates throw their support behind a unity candidate that isn't Cruz. Kasich, in particular, vexes me...he can convincingly sell himself as a moderate to low-information voters by avoiding the small number of issues where he's as bat-shit as the rest of them.
Would you rather have a nominee who has overwhelming support from non-Democrats or a nominee that has overwhelming non-support except from Democrats? That's what a Sanders/Clinton race appears to be shaping up to be...Sanders is popular with non-Democrats and with youth regardless of affiliation; Hillary doesn't seem to be popular with anybody but conservative minorities, Southerners and women over the age of 45.
jillan
(39,451 posts)Nanjeanne
(4,918 posts)Independents leave, it certainly won't be worse than if Hillary were the nominee. And could be better.