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fried eggs

(910 posts)
Tue Mar 8, 2016, 10:25 PM Mar 2016

If Sanders becomes the nominee, it'll be due to overwhelming support from non-democrats

My concern is, what if the independents who vote for him in the primaries turn around and vote for Trump in the General Election? Trump is the teflon candidate of 2016. He can say and do whatever he wants without losing support, but Bernie won't get the same pass. There's no chance of Hillary supporters voting Trump, but Bernie's supporters, between the reliability issues of young voters, and the lack of party affiliation, are much more of a wild card.

What do you think?

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If Sanders becomes the nominee, it'll be due to overwhelming support from non-democrats (Original Post) fried eggs Mar 2016 OP
Indies are a major factor in the republican race too. Renew Deal Mar 2016 #1
I think you need at least 30% of non Democrats to win the GE Kalidurga Mar 2016 #2
Can you possibly insult Bernie supporters any more? bunnies Mar 2016 #3
CNN just reported on the exit polls. Clinton is winning democrats by double digits, Bernie is fried eggs Mar 2016 #8
You think Bernie supporters would vote for trump. bunnies Mar 2016 #13
Ditto. PyaarRevolution Mar 2016 #30
Yep. We agree. Nt bunnies Mar 2016 #35
Are you an independent? yardwork Mar 2016 #32
I'm not an independent. bunnies Mar 2016 #34
I think your premise about overwhelming support from non-democrats is wrong. nt valerief Mar 2016 #4
Read the exit polls. fried eggs Mar 2016 #9
They told us exit polls don't matter since electronic voting became the norm. valerief Mar 2016 #10
I think there are probably better things in your life to be so very concerned about. Scootaloo Mar 2016 #5
I shouldn't be concerned about Trump or Cruz becoming president? fried eggs Mar 2016 #12
because that means you're not addressing the heartbreak of early-onset toenail fungus. Scootaloo Mar 2016 #20
I hope you are not serious. JonLeibowitz Mar 2016 #6
As Trump wraps up the Republican nomination more independents will be voting for Bernie awake Mar 2016 #7
Also, overwhelming support from true, non-third way Democrats EmperorHasNoClothes Mar 2016 #11
Again, look at the exit polls fried eggs Mar 2016 #14
Speaking of polls EmperorHasNoClothes Mar 2016 #17
What if, much more likely, they don't? Or if Clinton is nominated and they switch to Trump? arcane1 Mar 2016 #15
Bernie attracts tons of first time voters without any party attachments Cheese Sandwich Mar 2016 #16
Independents are not going to vote for Trump. He can only get the crazy RWingers Motown_Johnny Mar 2016 #18
I think you're trolling BernieforPres2016 Mar 2016 #19
Bernie hasn't been attacked by the GOP yet. fried eggs Mar 2016 #24
Now I know you're trolling BernieforPres2016 Mar 2016 #27
Why not welcome them to the party? TriplD Mar 2016 #21
Just reported on TYT MelungeonWoman Mar 2016 #22
If they wanted Trump they would vote for Trump in the primary Bjorn Against Mar 2016 #23
bitter sauce Warren Stupidity Mar 2016 #25
I think the independents aren't necessarily right leaning Rosa Luxemburg Mar 2016 #26
In all my years in Michigan, I never registered as a Dem. I voted for them ScreamingMeemie Mar 2016 #33
Clinton loses ALL those indies to Trump. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Mar 2016 #28
Exactly.This pretty much destroys the OPs argument. reformist2 Mar 2016 #31
I think you are trying to stir up some serious TM99 Mar 2016 #29
All the Dems that split off from the Dem party this year will Zorra Mar 2016 #36
If Bernie becomes the nominee FlatBaroque Mar 2016 #37
Many Of Them Respect Bernie corbettkroehler Mar 2016 #38
That's not a legitimate concern. Chan790 Mar 2016 #39
Ummm - that's a good thing!! You can't win the GE with only dem votes. jillan Mar 2016 #40
If Sanders wins the nomination Democrats will vote for him. So if some Nanjeanne Mar 2016 #41

fried eggs

(910 posts)
8. CNN just reported on the exit polls. Clinton is winning democrats by double digits, Bernie is
Tue Mar 8, 2016, 10:30 PM
Mar 2016

winning independents by double digits. Where is the insult?

 

bunnies

(15,859 posts)
13. You think Bernie supporters would vote for trump.
Tue Mar 8, 2016, 10:33 PM
Mar 2016

As a Bernie supporter I find that offensive. I would NEVER vote for trump.

PyaarRevolution

(814 posts)
30. Ditto.
Tue Mar 8, 2016, 11:23 PM
Mar 2016

I can see supporters of Trump possibly moving to Bernie in the GE but find it unlikely the other way around. I don't like this racist crap from Trump. Sure he might not do it but people thought Hitler wasn't going to go after the Jews. I'm not saying Trump will put Muslims in camps but I could see him blocking them from accessing the U.S. I mean I could see him following through on something that stupid.

yardwork

(61,585 posts)
32. Are you an independent?
Tue Mar 8, 2016, 11:26 PM
Mar 2016

The OP's point is that independents who vote in a Democratic primary might end up supporting the Republican in the GE.



 

bunnies

(15,859 posts)
34. I'm not an independent.
Tue Mar 8, 2016, 11:35 PM
Mar 2016

I've been a dem since I was old enough to vote. But I've learned via DU that Bernie supporters are not real dems and the great purge will make it all right with the world.

valerief

(53,235 posts)
10. They told us exit polls don't matter since electronic voting became the norm.
Tue Mar 8, 2016, 10:32 PM
Mar 2016

If exit polls mattered, John Kerry would have been our 2004 president.

awake

(3,226 posts)
7. As Trump wraps up the Republican nomination more independents will be voting for Bernie
Tue Mar 8, 2016, 10:29 PM
Mar 2016

Tonight may be the turning point

EmperorHasNoClothes

(4,797 posts)
11. Also, overwhelming support from true, non-third way Democrats
Tue Mar 8, 2016, 10:32 PM
Mar 2016

You know, like the Sanders supporters on this board. But thanks for being so dismissive.

EmperorHasNoClothes

(4,797 posts)
17. Speaking of polls
Tue Mar 8, 2016, 10:38 PM
Mar 2016

The polls consistently show Bernie beating Trump by a much wider margin than Hillary. So I think your concerns are unfounded.

 

arcane1

(38,613 posts)
15. What if, much more likely, they don't? Or if Clinton is nominated and they switch to Trump?
Tue Mar 8, 2016, 10:35 PM
Mar 2016

We can ask pointless hypotheticals all day. It won't accomplish shit.

 

Motown_Johnny

(22,308 posts)
18. Independents are not going to vote for Trump. He can only get the crazy RWingers
Tue Mar 8, 2016, 10:39 PM
Mar 2016


Bernie beats the hell out of Trump in all polls. More than Clinton does in 6 out of the 7 last national polls.


BernieforPres2016

(3,017 posts)
19. I think you're trolling
Tue Mar 8, 2016, 10:40 PM
Mar 2016

Independents who want to vote for Trump would be voting for him in the Republican primary instead of voting for Bernie in the Democratic primary. I am registered as an Independent because both the DNC and RNC are corporatist organizations that disgust me.

fried eggs

(910 posts)
24. Bernie hasn't been attacked by the GOP yet.
Tue Mar 8, 2016, 10:55 PM
Mar 2016

Maybe they'll stick with him after he's attacked, maybe they won't. Either way, many independents are low information voters who are easily influenced by media spin.

TriplD

(176 posts)
21. Why not welcome them to the party?
Tue Mar 8, 2016, 10:45 PM
Mar 2016

I think that is a good thing if Bernie is getting more people to sign up as Democrats.

MelungeonWoman

(502 posts)
22. Just reported on TYT
Tue Mar 8, 2016, 10:46 PM
Mar 2016

Nate Silver says 7% of Dems voted in the Repub primary, 3% of Repubs voted in the Democratic primary.

Bjorn Against

(12,041 posts)
23. If they wanted Trump they would vote for Trump in the primary
Tue Mar 8, 2016, 10:47 PM
Mar 2016

The idea that Bernie supporters are likely to decide to vote for a billionaire instead is absurd.

Rosa Luxemburg

(28,627 posts)
26. I think the independents aren't necessarily right leaning
Tue Mar 8, 2016, 10:58 PM
Mar 2016

Hillary doesn't appeal across the political spectrum

ScreamingMeemie

(68,918 posts)
33. In all my years in Michigan, I never registered as a Dem. I voted for them
Tue Mar 8, 2016, 11:31 PM
Mar 2016

and campaigned for them, sent money to them. ONLY them. I would have been one of the Independents voting for Bernie if I still lived in Michigan. In the blue collar areas of SE MI, those INs are left-leaning.

Erich Bloodaxe BSN

(14,733 posts)
28. Clinton loses ALL those indies to Trump.
Tue Mar 8, 2016, 11:19 PM
Mar 2016

Bernie splits em. Indies are wanting an 'outsider' this year. So Bernie's better on that.

 

TM99

(8,352 posts)
29. I think you are trying to stir up some serious
Tue Mar 8, 2016, 11:23 PM
Mar 2016

bullshit.

Independents exist on the left of the spectrum and the right. Those that are turning out in high numbers for Sanders are on the left. We will not vote for Trump in the GE. That makes zero sense. We are Greens, socialists, unaffiliateds, etc. but we are not conservatives on the right side of the political spectrum.

Zorra

(27,670 posts)
36. All the Dems that split off from the Dem party this year will
Tue Mar 8, 2016, 11:37 PM
Mar 2016

join with these independents and the Greens and other smaller progressive parties to form a new progressive party that will be powerful enough to defeat the Third Way/New Democrat party.

corbettkroehler

(1,898 posts)
38. Many Of Them Respect Bernie
Tue Mar 8, 2016, 11:42 PM
Mar 2016

I know first-hand of 2 Republicans who have stated publicly that they respect Bernie. I take that to mean that, in the general, if Drumpf is the nominee, they could vote Sanders. His choice of runningmate likely would be a factor.

 

Chan790

(20,176 posts)
39. That's not a legitimate concern.
Tue Mar 8, 2016, 11:47 PM
Mar 2016

Trump is only teflon because he has the support of the largest minority-faction of the GOP.

Most Republicans oppose his candidacy.
Most independents oppose his candidacy.
He's pretty much the most-crossover-proof candidate for Democrats in my lifetime. (I'm 36 if that matters.)

Trump is fucked in a General Election and everybody knows it but his supporters...he's the GOP's Mondale. (I really like Walter Mondale but he was a "no-chance" candidate in 1984 and he performed to expectations.)

Short of something insane happening like Hillary pulling a Lieberman against the rightful Democratic nominee, Sen. Sanders...there is no threat to our chances in the GE from a Sanders nomination, especially against Trump. I'm more concerned that all the not-Trump candidates throw their support behind a unity candidate that isn't Cruz. Kasich, in particular, vexes me...he can convincingly sell himself as a moderate to low-information voters by avoiding the small number of issues where he's as bat-shit as the rest of them.

Would you rather have a nominee who has overwhelming support from non-Democrats or a nominee that has overwhelming non-support except from Democrats? That's what a Sanders/Clinton race appears to be shaping up to be...Sanders is popular with non-Democrats and with youth regardless of affiliation; Hillary doesn't seem to be popular with anybody but conservative minorities, Southerners and women over the age of 45.

Nanjeanne

(4,918 posts)
41. If Sanders wins the nomination Democrats will vote for him. So if some
Tue Mar 8, 2016, 11:50 PM
Mar 2016

Independents leave, it certainly won't be worse than if Hillary were the nominee. And could be better.

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