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reformist2

(9,841 posts)
Tue Mar 8, 2016, 11:54 PM Mar 2016

Sanders winning the Michigan primary is the biggest upset in decades. It's a political earthquake.

The Clinton era is over. The new generation coming of age wants nothing to do with them. And since the Democratic Party has always been about the future, we would be wise to listen to the young people. And we all know who the young people want - men and women, white and black and hispanic and asian. The young people want Bernie!

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Sanders winning the Michigan primary is the biggest upset in decades. It's a political earthquake. (Original Post) reformist2 Mar 2016 OP
K&R jwirr Mar 2016 #1
It's about time... kgnu_fan Mar 2016 #2
After the massive Earthquake here comes the Bernami!!! Rosa Luxemburg Mar 2016 #33
Big time...the worm has TURNED! johnnyrocket Mar 2016 #3
...and he CRUSHED it in the largest Arab-resident area of the US Ruby the Liberal Mar 2016 #4
Knew a lot of guys from Yemen artislife Mar 2016 #13
Lucky you Kalidurga Mar 2016 #27
Sounds like some great memories. senz Mar 2016 #48
This is heartening. Something is simply...right. senz Mar 2016 #38
That's wonderful to see. Kall Mar 2016 #118
FYI it's spelled Dearborn. navarth Mar 2016 #148
Everyone loves Bernie RobertEarl Mar 2016 #5
no MFM008 Mar 2016 #34
Throw your vote away? RobertEarl Mar 2016 #60
I believe in the right of everyone to vote. Jim Lane Mar 2016 #78
No screaming from me RobertEarl Mar 2016 #82
Congratulations to our Bernie supporters but...!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 40RatRod Mar 2016 #161
Congratulations on Alabama. I will continue to vote against the plutocracy. Cavallo Mar 2016 #105
CNN exit poll... tk2kewl Mar 2016 #6
Excellent. 840high Mar 2016 #71
That is the most impressive I have seen! Cavallo Mar 2016 #107
He hasn't won yet democrattotheend Mar 2016 #7
There aren't enough precincts left in Detroit to flip it. It's over, imo. reformist2 Mar 2016 #9
I hope you are right democrattotheend Mar 2016 #12
If Clinton had been 5 points up they would have called it hours ago. JackRiddler Mar 2016 #18
they would have called it if she was up by 3, never mind 5 litlbilly Mar 2016 #20
If Clinton had been 5 VOTES up they would have called it hours ago. n/t. Ken Burch Mar 2016 #58
You got that right. kath Mar 2016 #83
Me, too. I was a Dean delegate in Maine. PWPippin Mar 2016 #25
Yeah, I am pretty disappointed in him democrattotheend Mar 2016 #39
He was unceremoniously ditched as head of the DNC and Debbie was installed. PWPippin Mar 2016 #44
Obama too Nite Owl Mar 2016 #76
Yeah, at the time I thought he should have been democrattotheend Mar 2016 #81
That broke this (at the time) Michigan Deaniac's heart too. ScreamingMeemie Mar 2016 #54
Ah, the Dean t-shirt. Is it the one Land of Enchantment Mar 2016 #110
I am also watching to see that big county report. I think they'd love to screw with us. n/t Skwmom Mar 2016 #50
I always thought I was an anomaly, but Sanders' candidacy has Svafa Mar 2016 #8
Boomers for Bernie! shanti Mar 2016 #11
War babes for Bernie, too! That's WWII. PWPippin Mar 2016 #46
Well, we hoped to make it happen in the 60s or 70s senz Mar 2016 #56
We did make it happen in 1960, when I wasn't able to vote at age 19, PWPippin Mar 2016 #72
Voting for Kennedy in 1964? NT 1939 Mar 2016 #123
Oops! It was late and I mistyped. Of course, meant 1960. I'll edit my post. Thanks! PWPippin Mar 2016 #136
LOL you're post made me smile Oilwellian Mar 2016 #61
Good night for smiling! PWPippin Mar 2016 #77
Yes we are. 840high Mar 2016 #73
Gen Xers too! dana_b Mar 2016 #132
Clinton has revealed herself to be a liar. tabasco Mar 2016 #10
Not to mention someone who takes voters for chumps. Marr Mar 2016 #84
Hallelujah! Carolina Mar 2016 #14
Go, Bernie GO!! AzDar Mar 2016 #15
More than once I've seen that SheilaT Mar 2016 #16
And forward thinking zentrum Mar 2016 #17
Anyone young at heart is welcome to join the revolution, ages 8 to 108!!! reformist2 Mar 2016 #23
My parents in Ohio are big Bernie fans OnionPatch Mar 2016 #42
Some of these folks zentrum Mar 2016 #70
Someone posted here the other day they smelled blood Duckfan Mar 2016 #19
I Want to Say That! The Clinton Era is Over!!! mckara Mar 2016 #21
No Clinton, no bush shanti Mar 2016 #53
No Dynasty's PERIOD! Duckfan Mar 2016 #101
THE GUARDIAN UK live election coverage ... HeartoftheMidwest Mar 2016 #22
Don't count her out yet ibegurpard Mar 2016 #24
Nate Silver will not be counting sheep tonight to help himself fall asleep! wouldsman Mar 2016 #26
heh marions ghost Mar 2016 #66
I thought Democrats in Michigan saltpoint Mar 2016 #28
CNN Pundits so vacuous snowy owl Mar 2016 #29
It's very telling. They should be focusing on how Bernie won, just as much as why Hillary lost! reformist2 Mar 2016 #36
they want her to appeal to every constuency snowy owl Mar 2016 #49
I find Bakari Sellers mind-numbing. Kall Mar 2016 #120
Except they aren't voting TTUBatfan2008 Mar 2016 #30
That comment is ironic and shimmers with hubris. Have you looked at the turnout in Hillary's 'big Bluenorthwest Mar 2016 #130
I am aware TTUBatfan2008 Mar 2016 #137
Yes! Yes! Yes!! Bernie will help EVERYONE - except the ultra rich.. Boo hoo for them,. DiehardLiberal Mar 2016 #31
More than a big upset! This is totally transformative! Bernie for the nomination! We can do it! amborin Mar 2016 #32
Yep. Volaris Mar 2016 #75
Congrats to Bernie. Very proud of people of Michigan tonight who saw through the lies. EndElectoral Mar 2016 #35
WOW this is exciting! Aldo Leopold Mar 2016 #37
No More Clintons...No More Clinton Era Entrenched Elite Establishment! SoapBox Mar 2016 #40
Ain't that the truth, my dear SoapBox??? CaliforniaPeggy Mar 2016 #51
I hate to say this....but, don't bet on it! LongTomH Mar 2016 #142
A great many of us of old folks want Bernie too! avaistheone1 Mar 2016 #41
OH HELLS YES!!!!!! My home state comes through!!!!! Indepatriot Mar 2016 #43
The analysis of why voters voted for whom was very interesting. PatrickforO Mar 2016 #45
Yes, she did all that lying for nothing! senz Mar 2016 #65
But it did get her something. Iwillnevergiveup Mar 2016 #100
lol, trying not to enjoy that too much but senz Mar 2016 #109
The party had damn well NEVER try to shove a shitty, corporate shill candidate Arugula Latte Mar 2016 #47
Amen snowy owl Mar 2016 #52
We are soured on Hillary All in it together Mar 2016 #102
Yes, I am a woman who would LOVE to have a woman president. Arugula Latte Mar 2016 #151
Amen. 840high Mar 2016 #79
An earthquake? Er, no. zathras Mar 2016 #55
Zathras was fatalistic like your post. Tonight thereismore Mar 2016 #63
California, NY, Penn, Ohio RobertEarl Mar 2016 #64
I can't wait to vote for him in one of those four states democrattotheend Mar 2016 #87
They are crooked, the M$M is RobertEarl Mar 2016 #93
Do you need more proof that M$M is just a fly in the ointment? nolabels Mar 2016 #117
Don't forget New Mexico Duckfan Mar 2016 #104
Do you really think that Nite Owl Mar 2016 #69
Obama won lots of red states in the primaries too zathras Mar 2016 #103
simple math alan2102 Mar 2016 #74
Hillary lost Michigan Lordquinton Mar 2016 #89
Michigan had an OPEN primary Conium Mar 2016 #150
Possibly PATRICK Mar 2016 #115
kick'n'rec! pat_k Mar 2016 #57
What you said! Time to turn the page... as Obama did tomm2thumbs Mar 2016 #59
Clinton lost in Flint? earthside Mar 2016 #62
Both Clinton's disingenuousness bvf Mar 2016 #124
The young people are 840high Mar 2016 #67
The Hillary Polls SusanLarson Mar 2016 #68
I never believe them. 840high Mar 2016 #80
Let's not exaggerate. Beacool Mar 2016 #85
In the Grand Scheme of Things... SDJay Mar 2016 #88
I don't recall the polling right now, but in 2008 Hillary winning NH was a surprise. Beacool Mar 2016 #94
I Don't Recall Either SDJay Mar 2016 #138
I know. Obama beating Hillary in 2008 was pretty awesome. Hang on, we're gonna do it again. AtheistCrusader Mar 2016 #90
Hmmm, nope. Beacool Mar 2016 #92
And Hillary still gained more delegates at day's end. Lizzie Poppet Mar 2016 #95
Yes, I think that it will help him in OH. Beacool Mar 2016 #97
As with all revolutions we need the most of our young to which I ask one more request... Kip Humphrey Mar 2016 #86
When we were young parents we never tried to influence our children politically. morningglory Mar 2016 #111
Aw, I remember the Great Divide that happened during the GWBush years [lament]. Kip Humphrey Mar 2016 #112
K & R! n/t xocet Mar 2016 #91
Win or lose, BERNIE'S AMERICA RULES! veronique25 Mar 2016 #96
HUGE K & R !!! - Thank You !!! WillyT Mar 2016 #98
K&R quantumjunkie Mar 2016 #99
Yeah. Nate Who? Duckfan Mar 2016 #106
Maybe this little article linked on the Bernie Sanders FB Site - Helped Just A Little :) LovingA2andMI Mar 2016 #108
Thanks nadinbrzezinski Mar 2016 #114
No Problem!! LovingA2andMI Mar 2016 #147
Well well well.. how do you like that! phazed0 Mar 2016 #113
+1,000 PADemD Mar 2016 #116
Thanks for the Welcome PADemD! phazed0 Mar 2016 #154
Well said.. disillusioned73 Mar 2016 #129
K&R TheFarS1de Mar 2016 #119
Indeed: the time for Third Way has come and gone. Betty Karlson Mar 2016 #121
K&R! This post has hundreds of recommendations! Enthusiast Mar 2016 #122
Exactly.....But don't forget there's also a lot of older people for Bernie too Armstead Mar 2016 #125
I only know what I like. And I liked it! merrily Mar 2016 #126
Oh yes please tell us more about what young people want. SylviaD Mar 2016 #127
OK! Younger voters want Bernie Sanders to be President! CNN Michigan exit polling for you: Bluenorthwest Mar 2016 #133
It's Yuuuuge rjsquirrel Mar 2016 #128
Amid these breathless denunciations of polling data... randome Mar 2016 #135
Dang it Maddie! One more dollar and Bill could have purchased that new bullhorn!! n/t PonyUp Mar 2016 #131
Yuuge K&R nt raouldukelives Mar 2016 #134
Thank you, Michigan!! seafan Mar 2016 #139
The young voters don't get it, don't understand what people have went thru with rladdi Mar 2016 #140
"Young people are idiots." noamnety Mar 2016 #144
MSM tried their collective best to stop Bernie by giving NoMoreRepugs Mar 2016 #141
The end of the Age of the DINOS is near. nt Zorra Mar 2016 #143
:D BlancheSplanchnik Mar 2016 #145
yay! back to the McGovern era ericson00 Mar 2016 #146
What is wrong with Nate's numbers? He's supposed to be a statistics nerd. Manifestor_of_Light Mar 2016 #149
The media planned it this way. Conium Mar 2016 #153
Clinton Voters Did Not Vote erpowers Mar 2016 #155
Hillary won the majority of Democrats. Beacool Mar 2016 #156
Earth not moving quite yet Wibly Mar 2016 #152
Old Farts Feel the Bern in Colorado bigbadR Mar 2016 #157
I hope every elected Dem takes note and gets to work passing the peoples legislation harun Mar 2016 #158
Love it... n/t humbled_opinion Mar 2016 #159
Congrats to Bernie AC_Mem Mar 2016 #160

Ruby the Liberal

(26,219 posts)
4. ...and he CRUSHED it in the largest Arab-resident area of the US
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 12:00 AM
Mar 2016
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511449084

How much you think that will never hit the MSM. Jewish guy wins Deerborn by 65+%
 

artislife

(9,497 posts)
13. Knew a lot of guys from Yemen
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 12:18 AM
Mar 2016

They were merchant seamen and they stayed in the short term rental place where I worked the desk. The Union hall was around the corner. They would cook me stews and bring back trinkets from their journeys.

 

RobertEarl

(13,685 posts)
5. Everyone loves Bernie
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 12:01 AM
Mar 2016

They have just, til now, not realized how many others love him. Until now. The secret is out.

 

RobertEarl

(13,685 posts)
60. Throw your vote away?
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 01:16 AM
Mar 2016

Whatever. We have tried to educate yall but if you really want to waste your vote, go ahead.

 

Jim Lane

(11,175 posts)
78. I believe in the right of everyone to vote.
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 01:27 AM
Mar 2016

Nobody should say "This is OVER it's DONE and if you don't vote for my candidate then you're throwing your vote away."

We've been getting enough of that from the Clinton people. Sanders people shouldn't add to the screaming.

 

RobertEarl

(13,685 posts)
82. No screaming from me
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 01:32 AM
Mar 2016

Now your post....

From day one we've been telling yall Bernie was going to win this. Tonight just affirms that.

We could use everyone on board, but so far we've done well, so if someone still feels they must support the other, well, no biggie,

40RatRod

(532 posts)
161. Congratulations to our Bernie supporters but...!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 10:24 PM
Mar 2016

... I learned many years ago in sports how to win and lose gracefully.
I would humbly suggest to you or Hillary supporters not to try to "educate ya"ll or spike the ball too hard when trashing/supporting the other team after each vote.
Neither Bernie nor Hillary has a snow ball's chances in hell w/out the support of each Bernie and Hillary supporters in the GE.
And please don't drag that old they are picking on my candidate. I have seen enough of that BS on DU from both sides. Just STOP it!
Congratulate the winner and support the final nominee.
I have already pledged to vote for the nominee, unlike many on this forum who "claim" to be dems who say they will refuse to vote unless their candidate wins.
Do you really want Trump or Cruze filling the next three Supreme Court Justices? May God help us all if you don't vote for the above reasons.

Cavallo

(348 posts)
105. Congratulations on Alabama. I will continue to vote against the plutocracy.
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 02:25 AM
Mar 2016

I still believe in occupy and fighting the 1 percent who are taking our natural resources and our taxes and trying to crush our right to health care and fair wages.

democrattotheend

(11,605 posts)
7. He hasn't won yet
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 12:07 AM
Mar 2016

Don't get me wrong, I will be thrilled if he does, but there are still a lot of votes in and around Detroit that have not been counted yet.

I am cynical though. The last time I got my hopes up about a long shot candidate from Vermont I got my heart broken.

democrattotheend

(11,605 posts)
12. I hope you are right
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 12:17 AM
Mar 2016

I don't know Michigan that well. FWIW, though, it looks like there are also some outstanding votes in Genesee. Do we know if those are in Flint?

PWPippin

(213 posts)
25. Me, too. I was a Dean delegate in Maine.
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 12:44 AM
Mar 2016

And it was rebroken when he was arrogant about his super delegate status, saying he was not elected by anyone, he didn't represent the people and he would vote as he thought would be best for the country.

I'll be having a ceremonial burning of my Dean t-shirt.

democrattotheend

(11,605 posts)
39. Yeah, I am pretty disappointed in him
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 12:56 AM
Mar 2016

It seems odd given how much he has been considered an outcast in the party by people like the Clintons.

PWPippin

(213 posts)
44. He was unceremoniously ditched as head of the DNC and Debbie was installed.
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 01:00 AM
Mar 2016

How's that been working out?

Tonight is Bernie's - and ours! As he emphasizes, this movement belongs to all of us.

Nite Owl

(11,303 posts)
76. Obama too
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 01:25 AM
Mar 2016

many here felt he would and should have been appointed to Sec of Health, he was left out of everything.

democrattotheend

(11,605 posts)
81. Yeah, at the time I thought he should have been
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 01:32 AM
Mar 2016

Although I thought there were also valid reasons for not picking him. Namely, because he was (rightly or wrongly) a polarizing figure and Obama wanted someone less polarizing to help pass his health plan. But I think the real reason he was snubbed was because of Rahm Emanuel.

But now I have lost respect for him (not for supporting Hillary, but for his comments about being a super delegate), so I am not as upset that he got snubbed in 2009.

Land of Enchantment

(1,217 posts)
110. Ah, the Dean t-shirt. Is it the one
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 02:31 AM
Mar 2016

from the Matrix? We busted our elderly asses for him in NM and donated and my spouse said tonight he will burn it in effigy. I tweeted Howard and asked that ALL my money from contributions be returned to me. We saw him twice in Santa Fe and the Albuquerque Journal printed a photo of me and Howard on the front page the day of our primary. What a Huuuuge disappointment he has become a broken human being.

Svafa

(594 posts)
8. I always thought I was an anomaly, but Sanders' candidacy has
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 12:09 AM
Mar 2016

shown that my entire generation wants progress and a real shift in the power structure. Of course that's not to discount those of other generations who also feel Bernie's message. I'm truly excited and hopeful.

 

senz

(11,945 posts)
56. Well, we hoped to make it happen in the 60s or 70s
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 01:11 AM
Mar 2016

so we've been waiting a long, long time. And the guy who's doing it is just a tad older than us! He's been preparing for a long time, too, whether he knew it or not.

Funny how it works out.

PWPippin

(213 posts)
72. We did make it happen in 1960, when I wasn't able to vote at age 19,
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 01:23 AM
Mar 2016

Last edited Wed Mar 9, 2016, 09:24 AM - Edit history (2)

but proudly wore my "If I were 21, I'd vote for Kennedy" button. Now, Bernie's suing Ohio to try to make it possible for 17 year olds to vote. One who will be 18 at the time of the GE is supposed to be allowed to vote in Ohio, but the Secretary of State is trying to block them, having changed the law.

I've written here before that, though I'm not religious, it feels as though Bernie was sent at this time to help us clean up messes and get back on track. He's certainly spent his adult life preparing for this moment. Onward!

dana_b

(11,546 posts)
132. Gen Xers too!
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 09:05 AM
Mar 2016

I think my generation is split between the two candidates actually but I'm glad that there are enough of us who love Bernie.

 

tabasco

(22,974 posts)
10. Clinton has revealed herself to be a liar.
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 12:16 AM
Mar 2016

People don't like to be lied to.

At least, most Democrats.

 

Marr

(20,317 posts)
84. Not to mention someone who takes voters for chumps.
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 01:33 AM
Mar 2016

That lie of hers on the auto bailout seemed like something a Republican would say-- just assuming their audience is such brainwashed dunces that they'll swallow anything.

 

SheilaT

(23,156 posts)
16. More than once I've seen that
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 12:26 AM
Mar 2016

from here out the upcoming primaries and caucuses overall favor Bernie. And I think that's even without taking into account his rapid rise in recent weeks, the momentum he's been accruing.

zentrum

(9,865 posts)
17. And forward thinking
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 12:29 AM
Mar 2016

…older people want Bernie too! My grandmother in her 90's can't wait to vote for him when the primary comes to her state.

zentrum

(9,865 posts)
70. Some of these folks
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 01:20 AM
Mar 2016

….were the ones who built the Progressive Movement. Weren't they around when FDR was the on the radio?

Duckfan

(1,268 posts)
19. Someone posted here the other day they smelled blood
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 12:31 AM
Mar 2016

after the Flint debate.

They may be right if this holds to the end of night.

Please let this be the case.

COME ON MICH!!!!!!!

HeartoftheMidwest

(309 posts)
22. THE GUARDIAN UK live election coverage ...
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 12:37 AM
Mar 2016

...has called Michigan for Bernie at 50.1% to Hillary's 48.0% with 90.8% of the precincts reporting.

ibegurpard

(16,685 posts)
24. Don't count her out yet
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 12:39 AM
Mar 2016

This is an enormous shot of adrenaline for Bernie's campaign but the deck is still stacked against him. This momentum helps.

wouldsman

(94 posts)
26. Nate Silver will not be counting sheep tonight to help himself fall asleep!
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 12:46 AM
Mar 2016

He may give up on math altogether!

saltpoint

(50,986 posts)
28. I thought Democrats in Michigan
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 12:47 AM
Mar 2016

comported themselves awfully well today.

A very close race. I'm pleased with the results.

The Republicans looked scary and bizarre and dangerous.

We blue voters looked pretty damn good.

snowy owl

(2,145 posts)
29. CNN Pundits so vacuous
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 12:48 AM
Mar 2016

Going back and forth about why Hillary is behind. I've heard every excuse on the books. First why she's ahead then excuses why she's behind . . . bla, bla, bla. Peter Beinert pretty interesting and Van Jones on point. Unbelievable,

snowy owl

(2,145 posts)
49. they want her to appeal to every constuency
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 01:08 AM
Mar 2016

not realizing that without being totally disingenuous, she can't do that. I think that's already getting her in a little bit of trouble with thinking people.

Kall

(615 posts)
120. I find Bakari Sellers mind-numbing.
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 05:04 AM
Mar 2016

He ticked me off awhile back when he regurgitated the Clintons' Republican talking point that Bernie will raise peoples' taxes for single-payer (leaving out that doing so would eliminate peoples' private health insurance costs, saving them way more) and he hasn't gotten any better since.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
130. That comment is ironic and shimmers with hubris. Have you looked at the turnout in Hillary's 'big
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 09:01 AM
Mar 2016

win' in Mississippi? Just 220,560 total votes cast. Not exactly a passionate turnout by devoted throngs of voters. This is her much touted region of strength and sure she won, but there is no evidence that she strongly motivates the electorate, even the electorates that favor her so so modestly.

TTUBatfan2008

(3,623 posts)
137. I am aware
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 09:48 AM
Mar 2016

I am a Sanders supporter. Low turnout favors Hillary. I am just pointing out facts here. Bernie could be winning this campaign if the youth vote turned out in big enough numbers.

Volaris

(10,270 posts)
75. Yep.
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 01:24 AM
Mar 2016

I always believed, but after tonight I think we can actually pull this off. I'll be sending him another 10 bucks this weekend.
Because fuck Citizens United.

SoapBox

(18,791 posts)
40. No More Clintons...No More Clinton Era Entrenched Elite Establishment!
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 12:56 AM
Mar 2016

Don't forget to give Tim Canova some love, so we can rid ourselves of Little Debbie too!

LongTomH

(8,636 posts)
142. I hate to say this....but, don't bet on it!
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 12:28 PM
Mar 2016

Hillary will be around. I wouldn't be surprised if she tried to primary Bernie in 2020!

PatrickforO

(14,570 posts)
45. The analysis of why voters voted for whom was very interesting.
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 01:00 AM
Mar 2016

For people who want a candidate who CARES ABOUT THEM AND THEIR FAMILY, Bernie won handily.

For people who want a candidate who IS HONEST, HAS INTEGRITY, Bernie won in double digits.

The talking heads were saying Clinton's slimy lie about Bernie not being in favor of the auto bailout backfired on her.

 

senz

(11,945 posts)
65. Yes, she did all that lying for nothing!
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 01:18 AM
Mar 2016

She lied her head off and it didn't get her anything.

Love it!

 

senz

(11,945 posts)
109. lol, trying not to enjoy that too much but
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 02:31 AM
Mar 2016

tonight they were talking about her "problem with trustworthiness and honesty", and I wondered if they might have been thinking about those nasty lies she threw at Bernie.

Maybe it did help sink her. Instant karma!

 

Arugula Latte

(50,566 posts)
47. The party had damn well NEVER try to shove a shitty, corporate shill candidate
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 01:03 AM
Mar 2016

down our throats again! NEVER AGAIN!

snowy owl

(2,145 posts)
52. Amen
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 01:09 AM
Mar 2016

This may set the table for future Warren Presidency but I'd hate to wait four years. I guess also it could sour people on women presidents if Clinton - should she win - doesn't come through.

All in it together

(275 posts)
102. We are soured on Hillary
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 02:18 AM
Mar 2016

Not on women in general or with Elizabeth Warren. Not the end of the world if Clinton loses.

 

Arugula Latte

(50,566 posts)
151. Yes, I am a woman who would LOVE to have a woman president.
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 03:03 PM
Mar 2016

And that says a lot about how horrible of a candidate Hillary is that I can't stand to support her. (Though I will hold my nose and vote for her in the general if I must.)

zathras

(9 posts)
55. An earthquake? Er, no.
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 01:11 AM
Mar 2016

Mich: Sanders +10
Miss: Sanders -27

At Best Sanders ekes out small, Pyrrhic victories. Sorry, but it is a simple matter of math, he cannot catch up as there are no large-state blowouts, nor will there be.

democrattotheend

(11,605 posts)
87. I can't wait to vote for him in one of those four states
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 01:41 AM
Mar 2016

And I think tonight pretty much guaranteed that I will get the chance to do so while the race is still up for grabs.

Now if only the MSM would give our candidates some attention instead of turning into the All Trump, All the Time show.

 

RobertEarl

(13,685 posts)
93. They are crooked, the M$M is
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 01:51 AM
Mar 2016

But they're not so dumb as to not feel the Bern.

They will pay attention to what we are asking for, they just won't sell it like they do Trump.

This is a people talking to people campaign and when people dare to inquire about Bernie they soon become sold on him as we are.

Officially tonight, the campaign has overcome its largest hurdle. The race is on, and we aim to win. We are legion.

nolabels

(13,133 posts)
117. Do you need more proof that M$M is just a fly in the ointment?
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 04:50 AM
Mar 2016

Let them go pound sand, the revolution will not be televised

Duckfan

(1,268 posts)
104. Don't forget New Mexico
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 02:22 AM
Mar 2016

The Land Of Enchantment should go for Bernie too.

Same day as Calif. I think. June 7.

Nite Owl

(11,303 posts)
69. Do you really think that
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 01:20 AM
Mar 2016

we would ever win Mississippi in the General?
Michigan we definitely can.

Most of her big wins are in the red states, delegates or not we can't in them.

 

alan2102

(75 posts)
74. simple math
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 01:23 AM
Mar 2016

At best HRC gets Pyrrhic victories in states that are lost causes. It is a simple matter of math. She'll get blown out by Trump.

Lordquinton

(7,886 posts)
89. Hillary lost Michigan
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 01:44 AM
Mar 2016

I remember Clinton followers responding to every post after Iowa saying Bernie lost Iowa when there was a .02% difference. Clinton lost a state that should have been a solid lock for her.

Conium

(119 posts)
150. Michigan had an OPEN primary
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 02:53 PM
Mar 2016

And Bernie still lost at the end of the day when the delegates were counted. I will vote for him if he gets the nomination, but get real.

Should Sanders get the Democratic nod, the news media will brutally trash him each and every day, every 30 minutes, calling him a variety of names related to his leftist friends in Central America. Right wingers are already calling him, "Sandersnista." The press will too. Look what they did to George McGovern, a war hero, no less.

We need to concentrate on getting Democrats elected to Congress! This is where real change will begin.

PATRICK

(12,228 posts)
115. Possibly
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 04:25 AM
Mar 2016

In a dry unexciting world where most bewildered unenthused Dems actually believe Clinton is the main choice. But suppressing and competing dishonestly will get you large blowouts. The lack of large blowouts as a thesis is as unreliable as the bevy of polling we have been suffering through for months on states where Clinton is outside her safe zone, unhappily in states the Dems can't carry in November.

By all means try to dampen the momentum. A firestorm or pressure cooker, bigger victories for Sanders are very possible.

earthside

(6,960 posts)
62. Clinton lost in Flint?
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 01:17 AM
Mar 2016

Am I understanding this correctly?

All that pandering Hillary did about Flint and she still lost there?

If this turns out to be true, then this is a real point for further analysis.
Clinton's obvious disingenuousness may be a fatal flaw.

On the other hand, it maybe that Sanders' genuineness is coming through and people trust him.

 

bvf

(6,604 posts)
124. Both Clinton's disingenuousness
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 07:37 AM
Mar 2016

and Sanders's integrity played a large part, IMO.

Not only do people resent being lied to, they also recognize when a cheap pol attempts to capitalize so transparently on their problems.

 

SusanLarson

(284 posts)
68. The Hillary Polls
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 01:20 AM
Mar 2016

538
According to our final polls-plus forecast, Hillary Clinton has a greater than 99% chance of winning the Michigan primary.

Don't believe the MSM hype

SDJay

(1,089 posts)
88. In the Grand Scheme of Things...
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 01:41 AM
Mar 2016

you are correct. That said, I really can't remember a candidate being down 66-29 right before a vote and winning in a presidential vote of any kind. I could be wrong and have forgotten about one or more, but I think that's why the term 'upset' is being bandied about - based on most numbers going in, it really is shocking.

Beacool

(30,247 posts)
94. I don't recall the polling right now, but in 2008 Hillary winning NH was a surprise.
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 01:52 AM
Mar 2016

Even the campaign's internal polling had Hillary losing to Obama after his win in IA.

SDJay

(1,089 posts)
138. I Don't Recall Either
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 10:45 AM
Mar 2016

but I'd be stunned if the polling was anywhere near 66-29 for Obama, as he was the upstart overall even though he had won Iowa.

Even after sleeping on it, I don't remember any polling being so wildly off so immediately before a vote.

 

Lizzie Poppet

(10,164 posts)
95. And Hillary still gained more delegates at day's end.
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 01:54 AM
Mar 2016

I'm for Bernie, but it has to be acknowledged that Hillary retains the lead, and Bernie's path is still the more difficult of the two. It was always likely that the delegate gap would shrink after the 15th; Michigan might indicate an earlier momentum reversal that gives Bernie a better chance. It's definitely game on!

Beacool

(30,247 posts)
97. Yes, I think that it will help him in OH.
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 02:04 AM
Mar 2016

I think that she will win FL, NC and IL. I'm not sure which way Missouri will go.

Yes, the delegate count favors Hillary. As per RCP, although 100% of the vote hasn't been counted, tonight Hillary earned 87 delegates and Sanders earned 69.

Kip Humphrey

(4,753 posts)
86. As with all revolutions we need the most of our young to which I ask one more request...
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 01:40 AM
Mar 2016

If you have not yet done so with success, please approach the older generations in your life and share with them how important Bernie is to you personally. Ask them to support and vote for Bernie for your sake, for your future's sake. I say 'with success' because I am asking you to reassess those relationships where your enthusiasm and requests fell on deaf ears in light of the following:

There is an old truism that says, "When the left & the right stop fighting each other and come together in common purpose, there is nothing we, the American people cannot accomplish!" (ok, I left out the part about tyrants falling).

Bernie's call to peaceful revolution is exactly this. It means there is common grievance among most Americans regarding their society, economy, and government. Most Americans agree on certain ideas, values, policies, and programs and Bernie's platform reflects many of these commonalities or points of intersection.

The revolution will formulate a saner nation from which we may lead the world by example instead of by bravado and bullying.


So, Bernie could use your help. Thanks.

morningglory

(2,336 posts)
111. When we were young parents we never tried to influence our children politically.
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 02:48 AM
Mar 2016

They have a right to make up their own minds. Fortunately, they are both good democrats. For grandchildren it's Katey, bar the door! One grandchild asked me sweetly why some grownups did not like SpongeBob. I said maybe they are Republicans and Mr. Crabs makes small business owners (who are often republics) look bad, which sometimes they are, and you need to judge each one individually. My son is married to a republic and they live in a red state (Tennessee). He called tonight after the Michigan results and said he voted for Bernie and was happy Bernie won. I told him I was proud of him. The reason I have acted like this is because when Bush stole the first election, I would go into a rabid rant if his name was mentioned, and drove semi-friends away. I am talking about a wall-eyed hissy fit. Thanks for listening.

Kip Humphrey

(4,753 posts)
112. Aw, I remember the Great Divide that happened during the GWBush years [lament].
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 02:54 AM
Mar 2016

I lost a brother and a couple of cousins but gained my mother before she passed away.

 

veronique25

(74 posts)
96. Win or lose, BERNIE'S AMERICA RULES!
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 01:55 AM
Mar 2016

Win or lose, BERNIE'S AMERICA RULES!

"The ground of liberty is gained by inches."
-- Thomas Jefferson

LovingA2andMI

(7,006 posts)
108. Maybe this little article linked on the Bernie Sanders FB Site - Helped Just A Little :)
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 02:30 AM
Mar 2016

As it received over 40,000 Page Views between Monday Morning and Tuesday Evening .

As the largest African-American owned and operated independently affiliated podcast and commentary news resource in Michigan, we have decided to support without waiver U.S. Senator Bernie Sanders quest to be the Democratic Nominee for President of the United States in 2016.

Why Are We Endorsing Senator Bernie Sanders to gain the Democratic Nomination?

After viewing Sunday, March 6, 2016 Michigan Democratic Debate, there is no question that Senator Sanders policy positions as it relates to Free Trade, Fracking and uplifting of Communities of Color, are strongly supported by the Senator.

The debate likewise confirmed if elected, Senator Sanders will continue advocating for ideas, thoughts and legislative actions from the Executive Officer role, protecting People voting him into the role of President of the United States first, and not the interest of corporations.


Read More:
http://www.reachoutjobsearch.com/2016/03/michigans-largest-independent-african.html
 

phazed0

(745 posts)
113. Well well well.. how do you like that!
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 04:14 AM
Mar 2016

Go Bernie!

I see some Hillary supporters have some apologies to make and perhaps they should take this as a lesson to not prognosticate to other DU users in the future.

I'm sorry, what did the polls say 2-3 days ago? Hillary +17? Have not the Bernie supports been talking about the unfair practices of the MSM and Camp Hillary? Yes, oh yes, let it take hold to those who 'believe' mainstream media is 'truth' -take notice -

We are tired of the same old same old. We see how obviously fake the 'big show' is. We want the old 'textbook' politics where bribes are illegal and the function of the government is to serve the common good and needs of the people. We expect new(old) ideas and the adoption of new technologies and infrastructure. Instead of being a world leader we are becoming a failed state, in exchange for enriching the greedy-rich 'owners' and power-brokers of the world.

I'm 33 years old so my political "awareness" started with Bush Sr. - then Clinton for 8 years, Bush for 8 years, Obama (Voted for him, very disappointed) for 8 years. I've been living my entire life under the same shit and it keeps getting worse. You think I want Bill Clinton's wife, now? For what, more of the same? People are sheep! Wake up god damn it! Use that fucking noodle in your head for 5 minutes to see what's been going on.

If you follow actual facts you see things. Things like Lawrence Lessig, Elizabeth Warren, Barney Frank and Bernie Sanders - it seems obvious, to me, that they were telling the truth when they said 'it' and 'it' has lead exactly to the places they warned about. I came to realize Bernie Sanders shortly after 9/11 - He was THE guy that was thinking like the rest of us.. What the F are we going to war for with no facts, no evidence and a story that still sucks eggs to this day? A true conspiracy of the highest order, IMO.

We see who was right. WE, the people ARE right when we overwhelming oppose legislation, yet our will is only enacted at a rate of something like 10%. Where's our legal WEED - I DEMAND IT, the facts are in, Just like we knew all along, like, duh! Why do we still have the failed War on Drugs? WTF Hillary Clinton supporters? You want MOAR of this crap? You want to feed the prison systems of which we all complain?

Bernie or Bust. This is it. Last chance. Real problems are here, like Climate Change and Oil dependence, Money in Politics, etc,etc.

You know what? I know Hillary would be "better" than Trump - but only better in the sense that we would continue kicking that tin-can just a little bit further down the road, a dead-end cul-de-sac. Then we can have Hillary tip our tin-can right up to the edge and let the weather do the rest for another 30-50 years. Fuck that. I almost rather see Trump get elected so that we can burn this [political] shit down now (Feel da BERN!). Then we can get started with fixing real shit and maybe my kids won't have to go through this, too. Otherwise, no chance anything changes. Need proof - look at Obama. The most spineless "Republican" Democrat ever. What got done? ACA? OK, weak-sauce as it sits, bent to shit by compromise so that it is literally a Republican plan. We didn't fix the systemic price collusion issues, drug prices, overseas drugs, premiums, single payer. WTF.

We have to fix the systemic corruption 'EVERYWHERE' and return the powers of the people, to the PEOPLE (and no, corps are not people, duh!?). There's one guy up there that says he's for YOU, at every turn. He sees the problems, just like YOU. He's been warning YOU for decades. That's the kind of politician I want. Give me Bernie or give us a big fuckup-reset/severe, quick deterioration with trump - a wake up call to not only the establishment and owners, but to the people as well. No more drawn-out mastermind plans, no more "frog in the pot", with our elite's hands on the burner controls. No more.

I can't take another 33 years of "the same" or worse. This planet can't take more decades of willful ignorance. The thought of a possible 8 years of Hillary makes me sick to my stomach.

Bernie is coming. Seriously you folks, Michigan is a win now, beating all expectations. The nay-sayers said it can't be done and the upcoming states aren't going to be so cut-and-dry for Hillary.

Want my opinion? We voted for Obama to help fix and battle our enemies within. We're going to do it again but this time I KNOW we are putting our best up for POTUS. GO BERNIE! WOOOO!

 

Betty Karlson

(7,231 posts)
121. Indeed: the time for Third Way has come and gone.
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 05:29 AM
Mar 2016

And as always, the Clintons are the last to get the message. (see also: gay rights, TPP, et alii)

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
133. OK! Younger voters want Bernie Sanders to be President! CNN Michigan exit polling for you:
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 09:05 AM
Mar 2016

18-24 yrs old - 87% Bernie

25-29 yrs old - 74% Bernie

30-39 yrs old - 62% Bernie


See, when they vote that is the young people telling you about what they want. That's what voting is. Will you listen to them or just keep up the snark and put downs? Are you in any of those age groups? I'm not. That's why I listen to them. That's what Bernie does too, which is why he wins that age group so strongly.....

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
135. Amid these breathless denunciations of polling data...
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 09:17 AM
Mar 2016

...we hear these cries of how to extrapolate from Michigan for the rest of the campaign season. IOW, they're using both math and polling methodology -of a sort- to predict the future.

It's kind of like creationists trying to use science to disprove science.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]A 90% chance of rain means the same as a 10% chance:
It might rain and it might not.
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seafan

(9,387 posts)
139. Thank you, Michigan!!
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 11:48 AM
Mar 2016


Today's Front Pages, March 9, 2016


The Revolution is here, Chuck and Wolf.

M$M are so cute when they're gobsmacked.


rladdi

(581 posts)
140. The young voters don't get it, don't understand what people have went thru with
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 12:16 PM
Mar 2016

radical leaders in the past. Forgot what G. Bush did to the nation back in 2007/2008, What Pres. Reagan really stood for. They don't understand real live, The good life has been given to them. Once they learn about the difficult, hard times, it may be tooo late.

NoMoreRepugs

(9,417 posts)
141. MSM tried their collective best to stop Bernie by giving
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 12:19 PM
Mar 2016

Last edited Wed Mar 9, 2016, 12:56 PM - Edit history (1)

him less coverage than almost ANY other contender in both parties.. and when they did
it bent towards the 'socialist candidate can't possible win' nonsense...

thing is MSM forgot or possibly are too stupid to realize young people don't get their news from the MSM cuz they are interested in facts over perception and spin. I've said it before, Bernie's momo is like a train picking up more weight and speed... he's out in the bright light now and the message is spreading...

this IS the fight for the future. I stand with Bernie....period.

 

ericson00

(2,707 posts)
146. yay! back to the McGovern era
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 01:47 PM
Mar 2016

of far-left candidates who get their butts handed to them on election day!

Ever heard of a fluke? They happen (Obama winning Indiana in 2008 as an example). Sanders will get wrecked in Florida and Ohio.

 

Manifestor_of_Light

(21,046 posts)
149. What is wrong with Nate's numbers? He's supposed to be a statistics nerd.
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 02:38 PM
Mar 2016

Why do the polls say one thing and the actual results something completely different?



erpowers

(9,350 posts)
155. Clinton Voters Did Not Vote
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 05:57 PM
Mar 2016

Maybe Clinton voters were over confident due to the poll numbers. People may have stayed home thinking they did not have to vote because they thought she win the election because of her poll numbers.

Beacool

(30,247 posts)
156. Hillary won the majority of Democrats.
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 06:20 PM
Mar 2016

Sanders won the majority of Independents. MI is an open state. Nate's calculations are based on poll results. Were Independents included in these polls?

Wibly

(613 posts)
152. Earth not moving quite yet
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 03:26 PM
Mar 2016

Calling it an earthquake is more than a little over the top.
It is however a very serious wake up call for the Dem Party, and if they don't listen the earthquake will come!

 

bigbadR

(49 posts)
157. Old Farts Feel the Bern in Colorado
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 06:38 PM
Mar 2016

Not just the young my precinct caucus turnout was 2/3 over 60 and we went unanimous for Bernie!

AC_Mem

(1,979 posts)
160. Congrats to Bernie
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 08:53 PM
Mar 2016

I do love Bernie, but I believe that Hillary will win. There will be moderate (yes they are out there) republicans and Independents, who will vote for her over Trump or Cruz because they will vote with their minds over their emotions.

I'll be watching. I want to see both Bernie and Hillary narrow their focus down on the key issues - women's rights, strengthening healthcare with a plan that will pass, tell me about infrastructure and how we are going to repair our crumbling roads and bridges. Tell me about how we are going to protect our land and trees, the water - how we are going to protect our fresh water from being purchased by the Koch brothers? Education - how are we going to ensure that our children and grandchildren have the opportunity to make a living? How will they afford to go to college? How will we keep good teachers if they do not earn enough to live? Where is the effort to stop the suppression of votes, stop the practice of gerrymandering behind closed doors, the influence of lobbyists? The dark money that allows extremists to place their pawns inside of our government in key positions? What will they do about the obstruction in the House and Senate? What about the multi-generational families and tax breaks for grandparents who are contributing to raising and supporting extended family? I could go on and on... I want more details on the plans. All the grand ideas in the world will not get anywhere with a republican house and senate majority and Creator help us if we have House, Senate, Presidency and majority conservative Supreme court - the very thought makes me ill, but it is what they have been slowly working towards for a decade and they KNOW it is within their reach.

There needs to be much more going on right now than a singular focus on a presidential candidate. There should be strong, strong organization in each city in this country. I've volunteered for President Obama for years for all of his key incentives - I have yet to receive a call from either the Bernie camp or the Hillary camp, or the DNC asking for my help.

What I would like to see and what would, in my opinion, create a landside victory, would be a Hillary/Bernie ticket. Talk about a powerhouse team!

Shine on and if you got this far, thanks for listening to my rant,
Annette in Orlando

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