So Donna is saying blacks in the South were being 'pandered' to? Gosh, I wonder at whom that particular comment is aimed...

But it still was an odd and rather insulting thing to say about Southern black voters.

vote in the south.

If you had heard the discussion, you would understand the context.

They were discussing Trump in the the General Election, not tonight's primary - and she was making the point about how Trump would have to appeal to huge percentages of white voters in the Rust Belt:

"Donald Trump will make some of these rust belt states a lot more competitive because of his ability to galvanize and speak to that anger and pain (of white blue collar voters) but don't underestimate black folks. Black voters in the north vote differently than black voters in the south. You can't pander to them. You've got to have a strong economic message."

As I said, it was a bizarre comment to make - it wasn't a slap at Hillary Clinton, but it was an insult to Southern black voters.

why is it QUOTED in parentheses?

referring to in that sentence so I put it in parenthesis for clarity.

I was watching it and that's how I recall.

You are using quotation marks but I'm not sure why. Where are you finding that transcript?

And they were talking about Trump.

After all, Trump doesn't appeal to almost ANY black voters, ANYWHERE. So her comment isn't really relevant to Trump's performance. She was moving to another point.

But, as I said. It was a stupid comment to make.

After reading the context in your post #12, I see where you are coming from. But it just doesn't make sense to me to read that as a Trump related comment. I mean, do you really think her point was that that, in order to get rust belt AA vote in November, Trump will have to have a strong economic plan, and not rely on mere pandering? That would be odd, as I don't think he's ever been accused of pandering to blacks. As far as I've seen, he basically ignores the AA community, except when he's throwing AA out of his rallies.

Having seen the video in post #19, I think what happened is that she was wrapping up her Trump thought (ending with the word "pain&quot , and then her tone and body language seems to shift in a way that could possibly be saying, "but, Van, getting back to what you were saying about black folks..."

From that perspective, she seems to be saying that Hillary pandered to get her AA vote in the south, but that strategy was weakening against Bernie's stronger economic platform in the north. I have to admit, though, that that's not something I'd have expected her to say either!

but I think that her analysis of the differences between Southern and Northern voters is essentially correct, though.

Between the two, I have trouble seeing Bernie described as a panderer. He's been advocating the same stuff for 40 years.

Ms Weathervane appears to be the target of those remarks.

persuasion tactics (A large portion of southern AAs are conservative religious Dems.) That's why Utah, with it's high LDS population, is the scam capital of the U.S.

I do not understand why the blacks are so supportive of her.

Yes, I've read what some have stated, etc. But I think they're being suckered by a snake oil saleswoman.

Bernie's got lofty aspirations but he's explained how they work and how they'll come into effect - only if we deliver a real mandate in the House and Senate.

If Hillary doesn't get a mandate, the GOP will obstruct her just like Obama and like they would Bernie. So I don't have a problem with lofty goals when he's laid out the conditions.

and I'm in the South.

"Christian Identity candidate" = Hillary --explains a lot of it I think.

She can sell that image pretty well, especially in conjunction with her emphasis on children.

--didn't know about this religious group. Thx for info.

Let's change it to working her Christianity for votes in the Bible Belt.

As an Obama 2008 supporter who remembers how nasty South Carolina got then it was hilarious and kind of surreal to see Clinton wrap her arms around Obama now. Not that I think that is why she is winning support from African Americans...I give them more credit than that. I think she is just better known among AA's, and Sanders has an inherent disadvantage there because he is from a very white state. Howard Dean struggled with African Americans in 2004 probably for the same reason.

upset some people.

To the "Confederacy" discussions everyone was poo-pooing.

But two black pundits, paid by the MSM that so many of you despise, say it, they speaketh the truth that "lends credibility" to the argument?

Got it.

But here's a clue - the fact that Donna Brazile said it doesn't suddenly give it credibility. She's a talking head who is speaking from the cuff and whose opinion is no more valid than anyone else's. And the notion that black voters - wherever they are - are any more susceptible to manipulation and pandering than you or other Sanders supporters or any other voter in other parts of the country is pure, unadulterated bs.

And get back to me.

The fact that Northern black voters and Southern black voters don't vote together in lockstep does not mean that the Southern blacks are susceptible to pandering.

That's a baseless and insulting assumption.

Southern people tend to be more conservative, that includes black people.

More conservative, more Fundy Christian, more closely knit in voting because of past abuses.

There is a difference that is regional, it's not only about race. But as usual, that's all people see.

be accurate probably.

There are regional differences in political attitudes...that was the point.

I would say that traditionally, the issues faced by Northern black voters vs. Southern black voters are a bit different...and that is still the case...

http://www.ncsl.org/research/elections-and-campaigns/voter-id.aspx

How does that explain why Sanders got 35% of the black vote in Michigan, and much less in Southern states?

There are reasons for that, historic and cultural. Hopefully that talking point will die

And that AA people put their money in homes, not the stock market and that many were hurt badly by the mortgage crisis. They seemed to be saying Bernie's message about the bail-out resonated.

the north and south aa constituencies are different, that is clear now, and the southern group seems to be more loyal to the clintons.

i hope what she meant was something along those lines

but lets look at the reality. for whatever reason, the truth of the difference between bernie and hillarys economic policies was not resonating with southern aa's. why is a question that will be learned more perhaps as the races and analysis continue

sadly, a passerby would be an improvement over dws, but i do think brazile would do a good job.

I didn't get why she was happy about his win......was excited that the race was going to go into June. Just not getting what she meant by that statement.

that both camps would be wooing her superdelegate vote for a longer time ("more love for me" she said)

Has Donna Brazile actually made any statement of support for either candidate? I know that, in the past, she has generally been a strong supporter of Hillary, but I don't know if she has actually put forth any position in this particular race.

I didn't happen to hear her say she was happy about his win, anyone happen to have a clip of that for more context?

As someone told me the other day. I guess if you tell the truth these days, you aren't 'really' black. I agree with Donna.

that conveniently cast the worst light possible on Sanders and his supporters. They should be ignored. Most of them imply that Sanders should pander to AA voters in the way that Clinton does. Fuck that.

DULink: http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511340823

are very very ignorant.

Remember, black folks in the North rarely had to deal with "civil rights" in the same that Southerners dealt with it. Segregation in the north was de facto as opposed to de jure. Northern blacks have had voting rights, that was a big reason for the Black migration. Laws against Southern-style Jim Crow were already on the books, the Northern battles were more about how to enforce those laws that were already on the books.

The civil rights movement in the North always had a stronger economic component; witness some of Dr. King's difficulties in organizing in the North even within the black community

I could explain more (after all I was born and raised in Detroit) but notice that I only said that Bernie's comments along these lines were ill-advised and stupid...I never said that they were wrong.

David Brock and the Clinton campaign would be crucifying him.

I watched CNN's election coverage last night and Donna Brazile was very fair in her coverage, to my surprise.

Have you read the book, A Nation Under Our Feet by Steven Hahn?

I did a book group on Sweet Land of Liberty at Daily Kos...I am completely familiar with this material

http://www.dailykos.com/news/SweetLandofLiberty

Thanks!

for decades, it is good to learn that this won't work with the northern blacks. "You can't pander to them," Ms. Brazile says, "you've got to have a strong economic message."