2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumDelegates Count: Clinton 762 vs Sanders 544
2,383 delegates needed to win the nomination.
It's still pretty close, although you wouldn't know that from listening to the talking heads.
dogman
(6,073 posts)ibegurpard
(16,685 posts)Going into the convention and super delegates swing it the other way the party is destroyed. Utterly.
dogman
(6,073 posts)The kitchen sink is still being thrown at him. Moneyed interests are severely threatened.
LSK
(36,846 posts)vintx
(1,748 posts)In 2008, when Clinton ran against then-Senator Barack Obama, the Times treated the number of pledged delegates as the accurate and current delegate count in the race. The Times counted only delegates that have been officially selected and are bound by their preferences.
The way the media has been reporting this is incorrect, DNC chairwoman Debbie Wasserman Schultz said on MSNBC on February 27. There arent pledged delegates, i.e. super delegates, earned at any of these primary or caucus contests. Those unpledged delegates are elected officials, party leaders, people who have spent years and years in the Democratic Party. Members of Congress, our DNC members are super delegates. And they have the ability to decide who they choose to support at the convention at any point.
Theyre really free to decide all the way up until July, Wasserman Schultz added. She later added that combining super delegates with pledged delegates from primaries or caucuses at each phase of the contest does not provide an accurate picture of how this works.
In other words, when MSNBC puts up graphics like this, it is not reporting the truth of what is unfolding in the primary race:
from http://www.commondreams.org/views/2016/03/07/clinton-benefits-us-medias-misleading-reporting-delegate-counts
Chakab
(1,727 posts)think that the party would be stupid enough to give Hillary the nomination based on super delegates? There would be riots at the Convention.
Remember, she had the vast majority of super delegates locked up early the last time too. Most of them defected as Obama won more and more primaries and caucuses.
dogman
(6,073 posts)That led to the super delegate concept. There were some riots there. I remember watching a lot of the footage when it was on the local tv. I remember wondering if the candle light march at the end of the convention would end in another police riot.
As to this instance, I would hope common sense would prevail. I just wouldn't count on that coming from DWS.
joshcryer
(62,269 posts)Even if almost all of the supers switch sides there would be holdouts that wouldn't switch.
Say a 10-20 delegate lead by Sanders could probably be tilted the other way. Dean, for instance, says he's not switching and that he's using his vote the way he intends, etc.
It would be epically bad.
davidn3600
(6,342 posts)....the Democratic party will burn down along with the Republicans.
Chakab
(1,727 posts)to Hillary via superdelegates in tandem with a brokered convention on the Republican side where they tried to give the nomination to Romney. You would see the establishment in both parties lose all credibility and a wide scale revolt against the two party system.
JackRiddler
(24,979 posts)mhatrw
(10,786 posts)JackRiddler
(24,979 posts)Oh yeah, Nevada and Iowa and MA - 9 wins, 3 ties.
Gregorian
(23,867 posts)TheDormouse
(1,168 posts)dogman
(6,073 posts)next to "Count unpledged delegates More info » " and it will subtract super delegates from the total
SDJay
(1,089 posts)It's like eleven billion trillion Brazilian for HRC to -326 for SBS.
I'm confused.
silvershadow
(10,336 posts)closeupready
(29,503 posts)Hillary is, de facto, our new two-term president!! Bernie should resign yesterday.
jillan
(39,451 posts)merrily
(45,251 posts)WillyT
(72,631 posts)TheDormouse
(1,168 posts)as some of the states that have already voted have been, especially all those Deep South states