Welcome to DU! The truly grassroots left-of-center political community where regular people, not algorithms, drive the discussions and set the standards. Join the community: Create a free account Support DU (and get rid of ads!): Become a Star Member Latest Breaking News General Discussion The DU Lounge All Forums Issue Forums Culture Forums Alliance Forums Region Forums Support Forums Help & Search
11 replies = new reply since forum marked as read
Highlight: NoneDon't highlight anything 5 newestHighlight 5 most recent replies
From now on . . . the polls don't mean diddly squat!!!! (Original Post) Major Hogwash Mar 2016 OP
But but but, Nate is a demigod! Yuugal Mar 2016 #1
Got it. In_The_Wind Mar 2016 #2
Nate's "polls-plus" was always arbitrary nonsense. joshcryer Mar 2016 #3
Why do you think that? Stuckinthebush Mar 2016 #11
Down with science! CorkySt.Clair Mar 2016 #4
Agree. We are simply going to have to look at delegates at the end of each state. NCTraveler Mar 2016 #5
Anyone using polls as intimidation - demanding us to surrender - will be laughed at! reformist2 Mar 2016 #6
Got it! Cobalt Violet Mar 2016 #7
Well, maybe they'll get taken with much more salt HereSince1628 Mar 2016 #8
The polls are not generically inaccurate. They are specifically overestimating Hillary's appeal: Attorney in Texas Mar 2016 #9
No semby2 Mar 2016 #10

joshcryer

(62,269 posts)
3. Nate's "polls-plus" was always arbitrary nonsense.
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 06:23 AM
Mar 2016

It's never been accurate as far as I can tell. Always over represents or under represents. If Nate / 538 was honest with themselves they'd drop it.

Stuckinthebush

(10,844 posts)
11. Why do you think that?
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 08:33 PM
Mar 2016

What was arbitrary in their methodology?

They seem to have been rather accurate given the data input.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
5. Agree. We are simply going to have to look at delegates at the end of each state.
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 06:41 AM
Mar 2016

Let the votes come in.

reformist2

(9,841 posts)
6. Anyone using polls as intimidation - demanding us to surrender - will be laughed at!
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 07:20 AM
Mar 2016

Because we now know there's something more important than math... votes!

HereSince1628

(36,063 posts)
8. Well, maybe they'll get taken with much more salt
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 08:51 AM
Mar 2016

but everyone craves the polls...their supposed omniscient view gives summary weight to what otherwise is encountered as a jumble of independently encountered personal opinion.

Attorney in Texas

(3,373 posts)
9. The polls are not generically inaccurate. They are specifically overestimating Hillary's appeal:
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 08:19 PM
Mar 2016

The Mitchell Research poll said Clinton would win Michigan by 37% (66% to 29%) - it was a robo-call poll.

The Target-Insyght poll said Clinton would win Michigan by 32% (62% to 30%) - it was a robo-call poll.

If you graph these robo-call polls, you would think this is how the race would play out:



If you believed the robo-call polls, here is what you would have expected in Iowa:



and New Hampshire:



and Nevada:



and Oklahoma:



and Massachusetts:



These robo-call polls are horribly inaccurate (and they always seem to err in favor of Clinton).

The Hillary crowd is going to continue to post robo-call polls. Just remember how inaccurate they have been in Hillary's favor and don't give those polls any attention.

Likewise, when you see the Hillary crowd blathering about Nate Silver's forecasts, remember that 358 is basing its forecasts on robo-call polls mixed in with the other polling so they have this bias built into the forecast model. Remember, Silver's 538 gave Hillary a 99% chance of winning Michigan. Garbage in, garbage out.

Latest Discussions»Retired Forums»2016 Postmortem»From now on . . . the pol...