2016 Postmortem
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I'm so Glad her fucking lies backfired in Michigan!
In other nooz, Hillary and Drumph won Mississippi.
In_The_Wind
(72,300 posts)monicaangela
(1,508 posts)Interesting article over at HP this morning:
At the latest Democratic debate, Clinton inaccurately attacked Sanders on his auto bailout vote and it apparently backfired in her face.
Clinton's history of stretching the truth, combined with this latest debate incident, did not bode well for her in the honesty category.
Equally troubling, Clinton has negative favorability ratings. In other words, 53.8-percent of American voters have an unfavorable opinion of her.
Bernie Sanders, on the other hand, is the only candidate, in either party, with a net-positive favorability rating.
Michigan, the largest delegate prize since Texas, went to Bernie Sanders tonight, despite consistent polling that showed Clinton with an insurmountable lead.
Sanders has now won 9 states while Clinton has won 12.
However, the vast majority of Clinton's wins were in southern states, and few of those remain. As the Democratic race shifts away from the deep south, Clinton's firewall is starting to wither, and Sander's viability is looking more and more legitimate.
If Clinton can't win in a diverse state like Michigan, which MSNBC called, "a Petri dish of American's problems," the nomination may finally be slipping out of reach.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/brian-hanley/why-hillary-clinton-lost_b_9414512.html
HDavis
(10 posts)George Wallace won the 1972 Michigan Primary with 809,239 votes!
monicaangela
(1,508 posts)The 1970s were a tumultuous time. In some ways, the decade was a continuation of the 1960s. Women, African Americans, Native Americans, gays and lesbians and other marginalized people continued their fight for equality, and many Americans joined the protest against the ongoing war in Vietnam. In other ways, however, the decade was a repudiation of the 1960s. A New Right mobilized in defense of political conservatism and traditional family roles, and the behavior of President Richard Nixon undermined many peoples faith in the good intentions of the federal government. By the end of the decade, these divisions and disappointments had set a tone for public life that many would argue is still with us today.
The Conservative Backlash
Many Americans, particularly working class and middle class whites, responded to the turbulence of the late 1960sthe urban riots, the antiwar protests, the alienating countercultureby embracing a new kind of conservative populism. Sick of what they interpreted as spoiled hippies and whining protestors, tired of an interfering government that, in their view, coddled poor people and black people at taxpayer expense, these individuals formed what political strategists called a silent majority.
http://www.history.com/topics/1970s
We are in a different time now, so I don't believe that statistic is relevant anymore.
Maedhros
(10,007 posts)And 1972 was quite a different time than is 2016.
Inept comparison.
Dustlawyer
(10,495 posts)Le Taz Hot
(22,271 posts)Dustlawyer
(10,495 posts)yourpaljoey
(2,166 posts)angstlessk
(11,862 posts)I wonder WHY Flint (genesee county) is the ONLY hold out?
190 of 210 precincts reporting?
It flipped from Sanders to Hillary in the early AM...wonder who the remaining precincts voted for?
AND why haven't they reported?
monicaangela
(1,508 posts)We really need to get international observers to help us with our elections these days. Some third world countries appear to have less problems.
Mira
(22,380 posts)Yep, we need an equivalent to Jimmy Carter, preferably from outside the country and hopefully impartial.
demwing
(16,916 posts)See page 14
Clinton won in Genesee county, but by nowhere near enough to overcome Sander's 20k vote lead in the state.
SheilaT
(23,156 posts)Even if it's a bit strange that this late some of their precincts still haven't reported. It's the only 29 precincts in the entire state that haven't reported. And I just now checked the NYTimes website on the Michigan primary election results.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)538: "Bernie Sanders made folks like me eat a stack of humble pie on Tuesday night. He won the Michigan primary over Hillary Clinton, 50 percent to 48 percent...
The LA Times also wrongly predicted Bernie's auto bailout "I was for it before I was against it" argument would backfire on him. Wrong.
Maybe go easy on all the dishonesty stuff, though? Let's face it, it is neither honest nor nice. At best it's ignorant. Bernie just did what campaigners do, but he does not meet the special "Hillary" standard.
Just so you know, Hillary told the truth, but to understand that you have to understand a slightly complex reality, while Bernie told part of the truth, carefully styled to deceive:
"What the campaign failed to mention was that Sanders voted the following month with Republicans in a failed effort to cancel the second half of TARP's funding, which would have stopped the Obama administration from using $350 billion in bailout dollars. That sum had $4 billion earmarked for the auto bailout, but arguably included most of the $80 billion that ultimately was lent to the industry."
merrily
(45,251 posts)No comments added by alerter
the Jury voted 2-5 to LEAVE IT.
Juror #1 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Alerter, if you can't be arsed to explain, I can't be arsed to hide. Stop it.
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Waste of time. Accept this defeat and move on.
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Of you cannot be bothered to explain your alert, I cannot be bothered to hide.
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #6 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Fuddnik
(8,846 posts)We were told all day yesterday, this was the end. Bernie would be gone.
He'll be here in Tampa tomorrow, and I gotta #@!%$&! work!
Happy Day!!!!!
merrily
(45,251 posts)Fuddnik
(8,846 posts)I'm just amazed it was alerted.
Then again.....maybe not.
dana_b
(11,546 posts)Shadowflash
(1,536 posts)Someone alerted this?
merrily
(45,251 posts)corkhead
(6,119 posts)and a Clintonian dirty trick. It was refreshing.
dana_b
(11,546 posts)yourpaljoey
(2,166 posts)Patently unwise
Cobalt Violet
(9,905 posts)bahrbearian
(13,466 posts)Why bother asking ?
840high
(17,196 posts)Kenjie
(122 posts)Feel the BERN!