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NWCorona

(8,541 posts)
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 10:53 AM Mar 2016

Rollingstone: WTF Happened to Hillary Clinton in Michigan, Explained

"Overcoming a consensus 21-point deficit in the polls, and odds against winning pegged at 99:1, Bernie Sanders stormed to victory over Hillary Clinton in the Michigan primary Tuesday night. Sanders' stunning upset win has altered the momentum of the Democratic race. Will it be enough to change the delegate math?

Last night was huge!

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/wtf-happened-to-hillary-clinton-in-michigan-explained-20160309

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Rollingstone: WTF Happened to Hillary Clinton in Michigan, Explained (Original Post) NWCorona Mar 2016 OP
If Hillary squeaks into the nomination nichomachus Mar 2016 #1
+1...nt freebrew Mar 2016 #2
The Democratic Party will fall into Third Party status Le Taz Hot Mar 2016 #4
Both parties are dead. They just don't know it musiclawyer Mar 2016 #14
Hillary happened.... Punkingal Mar 2016 #3
Open primary. HooptieWagon Mar 2016 #5
Pollsters' ability to contact young voters is more limited. Lizzie Poppet Mar 2016 #9
Yeah, we haven't owned a landline in 8 - 9 years. dana_b Mar 2016 #11
It is all about technology kenfrequed Mar 2016 #19
kick'n'rec (nt) pat_k Mar 2016 #6
Her lies about Bernie's support of the auto industry backfired. beam me up scottie Mar 2016 #7
Who and how? fun n serious Mar 2016 #10
LABOR’S REVENGE: WHY BERNIE SANDERS WON MICHIGAN beam me up scottie Mar 2016 #12
This tells me what Bernie has done for MI? NO fun n serious Mar 2016 #15
"It's what he hasn't done, I guess.." See now you're getting it. beam me up scottie Mar 2016 #16
I've always "gotten it" fun n serious Mar 2016 #17
No I don't think you did get it, but these people do: beam me up scottie Mar 2016 #18
The things you say are simply not true kenfrequed Mar 2016 #20
Bernie peeps were prepared and they were placed where they needed to be...it worked out Jefferson23 Mar 2016 #8
HUGE K & R !!! - THANK YOU !!! WillyT Mar 2016 #13

nichomachus

(12,754 posts)
1. If Hillary squeaks into the nomination
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 11:09 AM
Mar 2016

With some mathematical chicanery, the Democrats will lose the White House, the Congress, and the Supreme Court. Say hello to President Trump.

Le Taz Hot

(22,271 posts)
4. The Democratic Party will fall into Third Party status
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 11:51 AM
Mar 2016

because there will be a mass exodus out of the party. The Democratic Party will be no more.

musiclawyer

(2,335 posts)
14. Both parties are dead. They just don't know it
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 05:31 PM
Mar 2016

Bernie is trying to resuscitate the Dems. The country will soon be majority independent ....Forever
Parties are vestigial and of no use to people who want government to serve them and not corporations. Disagree? Ask your kids or grandkids. It's their future and they won't tolerate the one we have accepted for decades. And frankly in the long run we are all dead and what they think is more important than what elders think. The democratic and republican parties as currently constructed are dead. May they stay that way .....

Punkingal

(9,522 posts)
3. Hillary happened....
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 11:48 AM
Mar 2016

Bad campaign, ignoring much of Michigan and also the lies and pandering didn't seem to work as well as they thought it would.

 

HooptieWagon

(17,064 posts)
5. Open primary.
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 12:06 PM
Mar 2016

The results among registered Democrats wasn't too far off the polls...Clinton 57-41. But among Independants, Sanders just killed HRC...71-28. We're gonna need those Independants to vote for our candidate if we're going to win in Nov....Hillary isn't going to get it done. Also, youth turnout was exceptionally strong, and goes heavily for Sanders. Pollsters apparently aren't modelling youth turnout and Independants very well.

 

Lizzie Poppet

(10,164 posts)
9. Pollsters' ability to contact young voters is more limited.
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 04:55 PM
Mar 2016

Some of these polls are landline only, ferchrissakes. I can't even imagine how skewed a cross-section of young voters you'd get with something like that.

dana_b

(11,546 posts)
11. Yeah, we haven't owned a landline in 8 - 9 years.
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 05:00 PM
Mar 2016

None of my daughter's friends who live on their own do either. They're going the way of the Dodo bird!

kenfrequed

(7,865 posts)
19. It is all about technology
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 05:57 PM
Mar 2016

It isn't just mobile culture, it is also the means by which we inform ourselves.

Most people under the age of 45 no longer bother with traditional cable news outlets. TYT attracts more from that crowd and online written works and news surfing is the method we use.

In that way the cable news networks report polls that are collected from a lot of land lines. Sort of a bad cycle which probably helps explain this contortion and underrepresentation of younger voters who have done research on their candidates.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
7. Her lies about Bernie's support of the auto industry backfired.
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 04:40 PM
Mar 2016

Michigan voters aren't stupid, they know who's been fighting for them for decades.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
12. LABOR’S REVENGE: WHY BERNIE SANDERS WON MICHIGAN
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 05:03 PM
Mar 2016
LABOR’S REVENGE: WHY BERNIE SANDERS WON MICHIGAN

At the Democrats’ debate Sunday night in Flint, Michigan, Hillary Clinton’s tone was mocking. She razzed Bernie Sanders for wallowing in the past. The septuagenarian Vermonter, she said, seemed to want “to argue about the 1990s instead of talking about the future.” She said she’d prefer the latter, “because I think every election is about the future.” Michigan voters, however, disagreed.

In a surprise result, Sanders eked out a narrow win in the Wolverine State on Tuesday, despite polls showing him trailing by wide margins in the days leading up to the vote. The vote shows Sanders understood the desire of many Michigan voters to re-litigate those old 1990s fights, particularly when it comes to trade. And it raises some red flags for the Clinton campaign going into Ohio and Illinois, which have more delegates but many of the same complaints about the free trade ’90s, which were brought about by another Clinton.

One of the most striking data points out of the Michigan exit polls is the sizable majority of voters who said they believe trade with other countries “takes away U.S. jobs.” In the CNN survey, 58 percent of Democrats agreed with that statement, as did 55 percent of Republicans. Sanders won anti-trade voters by double digits on the Democratic side, and Donald Trump did so on the Republican side.

The Rust Belt, once the beating heart of American manufacturing, continues to blame trade deals for the industry’s decline. And America’s era of free trade agreements really kicked off with the NAFTA agreement, which created a trade bloc consisting of the United States, Canada and Mexico in 1994. One of the leading supporters of that deal: President Bill Clinton.

http://www.newsweek.com/michigan-bernie-sanders-trade-435217


Apparently his record of fighting for the working class was GOOD ENOUGH, BERNIE!

The question is why wasn't Hillary?

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
16. "It's what he hasn't done, I guess.." See now you're getting it.
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 05:50 PM
Mar 2016

He hasn't supported disastrous trade deals that ravaged the rust-belt, he hasn't abandoned labor and taken millions from Wall Street, he hasn't forgotten the little guy in a personal quest for riches and suddenly remembered Michigan in time for photo-ops during the primary.

I knew you were an it-getter!


 

fun n serious

(4,451 posts)
17. I've always "gotten it"
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 05:52 PM
Mar 2016

He can't run on what he HAS done. He has to run on what he hasn't done. He hasn't gotten dirty to get a job done...Or he hasn't gotten a job done.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
18. No I don't think you did get it, but these people do:
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 05:57 PM
Mar 2016








Anyone who claims Bernie hasn't supported labor is either delusional or dishonest.

kenfrequed

(7,865 posts)
20. The things you say are simply not true
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 06:09 PM
Mar 2016

Were I you I would probably stick to discussing and debating on the issues that you can actually possibly win on.

Jefferson23

(30,099 posts)
8. Bernie peeps were prepared and they were placed where they needed to be...it worked out
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 04:44 PM
Mar 2016

better than the campaign even anticipated.

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