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SheilaT

(23,156 posts)
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 10:58 AM Mar 2016

538, Nate Silver, and the Literary Digest.

In 1936 the Literary Digest, an important weekly magazine founded in 1890, published the results of its most recent straw poll for President. The poll had 2.4 million responses, a humongous number, especially in a country with about a third of today's population. Clearly, Alf Landon was going to win by a landslide.

Remember Landon's term as President? No? Oh, wait, who won the 1936 Presidential election?

The Literary Digest went out of business a couple of years later, in no small part because of their huge fail on the poll. They were wrong because they didn't understand proper polling techniques, which most people here have a decent handle on. George Gallup had founded his eponymous polling firm in 1935 and he correctly predicted the outcome of the 1936 election, and went on to become the best and most respected polling firm out there for many years.

While Nate Silver hasn't gone as far of the rails of good polling as the Literary Digest did 80 years ago, somehow he's missing some very important data this year. My take is that he simply isn't correctly accounting for the fact that back when Bernie Sanders declared his candidacy, the vast majority of people in this country could legitimately ask, "Bernie WHO?" What we've seen since last summer is that as Bernie gets out there with his message, as more people find out exactly what he stands for and how much genuine integrity he has, they start seeing Hillary for the poll-driven, weasel-faced shill that she really is. They start looking a bit more closely at her actual record and see that it does not bode well for women, for children, for the working class.

If I were a bookmaker, I'd start taking bets on when Nate Silver's website finally starts acknowledging Bernie's insurgency, and perhaps even when he finally goes back to just sports.

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538, Nate Silver, and the Literary Digest. (Original Post) SheilaT Mar 2016 OP
Well done, SheilaT! longship Mar 2016 #1
I figured he was getting a pretty hefty paycheck for his "predictions." Skwmom Mar 2016 #2
I disagree that most people here on DU have a decent handle on polling techniques. LonePirate Mar 2016 #3
Actually, your point is accurate, and many here will note SheilaT Mar 2016 #4

longship

(40,416 posts)
1. Well done, SheilaT!
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 11:05 AM
Mar 2016

Very well done, indeed. Love the historic context.

There are so many times when DU just rocks!



on edit: I lived in KS for 18 years and was very active in the Democratic Party throughout the 80's and 90's there. The last Republican I voted for was Alf Landon's daughter, Nancy Landon Kassebaum for US Senator. She got my vote twice because she was by far the most liberal candidate on the ticket.

She later married Howard Baker, the TN Senator of Watergate fame, another Republican a progressive Democrat can love. "What did the president know and when did he know it?" I can hear those words echoing through the decades.

I do not regret those votes. In fact, I embrace them. Alf Landon's daughter.

LonePirate

(13,408 posts)
3. I disagree that most people here on DU have a decent handle on polling techniques.
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 11:11 AM
Mar 2016

There is significantly more to accurate, scientific polling than just sample size and land vs. cell (or person vs. robo) calling.

 

SheilaT

(23,156 posts)
4. Actually, your point is accurate, and many here will note
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 11:29 AM
Mar 2016

the specifics of various polls, either ones they think are good or ones they are criticizing. Very few understand all the nuances, but they have at least a bit of a clue. In 1936 the sheer volume of responses was taken as an indicator that it would be highly accurate. But it was that era's equivalent of an internet poll, only even more skewed than those today.

I appreciate your comment.

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