2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumBernie's win in MI proves one thing. Hillary can't beat Donald in the GE. Why?
He's to the left of her on trade policies.
PoliticAverse
(26,366 posts)his position might be next week though.
djean111
(14,255 posts)has to say. I would imagine that Ms. "TPP is the gold standard" will have always been against the TPP by, say, tonight.
And lots of us are quite aware that Hillary is just spouting campaign blather.
BillZBubb
(10,650 posts)longship
(40,416 posts)People call Hillary Camp Weathervane, but she cannot hold a candle to Drumpf.
A Clinton vs Drumpf election would have us all spinning like tops.
bigwillq
(72,790 posts)It changes daily, it seems.
BeyondGeography
(39,369 posts)Running against Trump on trade won't be like running against Bernie.
BillZBubb
(10,650 posts)He'd probably win every state where Hillary has won a primary! That's sad.
stillwaiting
(3,795 posts)Hillary has given him more than enough ammunition for him to be able to do just that on a number of issues.
Donald would have a very good chance of winning the Midwest after he destroyed Hillary on trade.
He couldn't do that to Bernie.
Let's choose wisely.
corkhead
(6,119 posts)a true Roosevelt Democrat.
Zorra
(27,670 posts)is one example of why Clinton cannot beat Trump in the GE. Similar minded voters exist in every state in large numbers.
Independents and most millennials nationwide simply will not show up for Clinton. They, like traditional Democrats, want Bernie in the WH. Right or wrong, they feel the difference between Bernie and Clinton is little different than the difference between Bernie and a Republican.
The urban electorate that accounts for the majority percentage of the Clinton votes is not at all representative of the overall electorate in most non-urban, and some urban, areas of the US. Take Michigan, for example. Wayne County alone, where Detroit is located, gave Clinton 163,886 of her statewide total of 576,723 votes.
That's roughly about 35% of her total votes statewide in Michigan. One county gave her 35% of her total vote count.
Clinton may win the battle of the Democrats, but she cannot win the nationwide war. Bernie is the sole candidate that can beat Trump in the GE.
Because my state has closed primaries, a critical part of our ground game here has been registering Independents as Dems so they can vote for Bernie in the primaries. I've had more than a few left leaning Independents practically spit in disgust when I explained to them that, in order to vote for Bernie in the primaries, they had to register as Democrats. Some even got angry at me and told me that there was no way they would register as a Democrats. I hope they changed their minds later on.
This is the legacy of the *Third Way New Democrats*. Driving traditional Democrats from the party, and alienating left leaning independents to the point where they would rather stay home and deal with a republican in the WH rather than vote for a fake Democrat.
"Looks like we're still in Kansas, Toto"
marlakay
(11,451 posts)Versus how many independents are voting for Bernie. Thats what I would look at because Bernie definitely has the independent vote.