2016 Postmortem
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"CNN's exit polls provided an indication of why Sanders won -- a huge 81%-18% edge among voters age 18-24."
I live in Lafayette Park, a condo- and apartment-dominated neighborhood on the eastern end of downtown Detroit that's a natural magnet for all the millennial professionals who are moving into the city from the burbs. Talked to a lot of millennials waiting to vote, and just around the neighborhood -- ALL of them. ALL, not most, were Sanders supporters.
And the millennials, who are generally viewed as more concerned about Snapchat posts than voting, were out busting their proverbial asses volunteering for Bernie over the weekend. Democratic turnout in Michigan was up, unlike in other states, and that was entirely fueled by millennials.
So kudos to Generation Y. As GenXers, we understand a little bit about "the soft bigotry of low expectations."
leveymg
(36,418 posts)Raster
(20,998 posts)...will ONLY PISS OFF the electorate. All ages are going to vote, AGAINST THE STATUS QUO. If it is perceived, that the DLC/DNC/DWS machinations have thrown or are throwing the nomination to Hillary, the Party will burn. Period.
Betty Karlson
(7,231 posts)We are also going to Hell (as per Albright Afterlife Expectancy) and sex-shaming Steinem says we are sleeping with millennial boys. I do that, I guess, but I've never felt ashamed of doing so.
Baobab
(4,667 posts)if Clinton wins.
There don't seem to be any limits on the numbers. Once it startsit wont be possible to stop it.
Just like the en ergy deal.
Raster
(20,998 posts)...political system is absolutely astounding! DWS should dust off that resume and bush up on her table-hoping skills. She's gonna need a fall-back career. Rahm..."stereotypical greasy politician says what?"
Hell is a planet too hot to live on with air to foul to breath and water to filthy to drink. And that's what we're trying to avoid.
And finally, Memo to Gloria: sex-shaming is not positive feminism. It's desperate and low-life and just indicates how out of touch you really may be.
Power on Betty! Here's to all the wonderful millennials working to make OUR WORLD a better place!
Thank you! GO, BERNIE GO!
Betty Karlson
(7,231 posts)billhicks76
(5,082 posts)CNN doesn't have the last two debates on OnDemand. What's up with that?????
Betty Karlson
(7,231 posts)get used to it.
billhicks76
(5,082 posts)People need to call CNN and ask why!
TheBlackAdder
(28,183 posts).
I'm an over-50er and many here benefited by deferring debts to future generations! YOUR GENERATION!
Then, as the older people get, the more prone they are to conservative influences, even Democrats!
Conservative regarding political issues, and conservative with regards to religious issues.
You have a right to be pissed, because the more things remain the same, the more you'll pay later on!
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Baobab
(4,667 posts)That makes no sense when "conservatives" are radical neoliberals (of both parties) who want a hell of a lot of things that would clearly be terrible for the vast majority of people in this country.
People of all income brackets, not just the poor or middle class, everybody. Rich and poor.
TheBlackAdder
(28,183 posts)I struggle with what you wrote.
Lordquinton
(7,886 posts)The campaign has been very dirty, from the bullhorn, to including super delegates in the totals they did everything to make Sanders seem like a looser.
It didn't work.
Ron Green
(9,822 posts)that Bernie's election is a necessary step in a much bigger process of transforming our political economy. Not sufficient, but absolutely necessary.
lunatica
(53,410 posts)I agree. Many Americans need to experience some Socialism to see it's quite painless and even desirable.
Baobab
(4,667 posts)Its the neoliberals that are trying to create all sorts of new corporate rights and trade jobs for special deals to open factories overseas. They are the ones who want to "share" - ending discrimination by country in government procurements of services and privatizing and globalizing millions of jobs so wages fall.
Really, Sanders is just speaking as if the last 20 years since the Clintons has not happened, which is reasonable because the country was never told about it, just everybody else.
So its not unreasonable to pretend that the WTO doesn't block the NewDeal programs or health care.
Gregorian
(23,867 posts)These lost concepts have been missing from American society for about fifty years. There is no explanation other than an old white guy with messy hair who seems to have invigorated the desire for empathy and health.
Karl Rove was not available for comments.
Merryland
(1,134 posts)It's almost unbelievable but it's happening!
WHEN CRABS ROAR
(3,813 posts)Bernie and I are the same age and have been fighting the same battles for years, you might say that we went to different schools together and we see the need for radical change, this country has been going down the wrong road for way to long now.
Raster
(20,998 posts)...his outright sliminess.
Rove's vaunted powers were far more of a result of the BFEE and their machine that they were of KKKarl's capabilities.
Rove is toast. Stick a pitchfork in him.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)every time it raised its voice. And the Corporate State kept on taking, and maligning and attacking and labeling, with their enablers, anyone who tried to speak for the people.
We knew it would take a person of incredible strength and integrity to take on the monster that our 'governing body' has become and most of us didn't think one person alone could even make a dent.
And then Bernie announced he was willing to step up and do that IF we were willing to back him up
He is a remarkable human being. I thought frankly, the most he could do was run long enough to let them know they had a serious problem brewing against their greed and corruption.
But he was right, when the people are united, they will win.
And remarkably, the Corporate State, now so out of touch with the people, made error after error when they launched their powerful weapons, once again, against us.
KoKo
(84,711 posts)We can get discouraged but a movement started with the backlash over 2000 Stolen Election and then the Massive Protests all over the country and the world against the Iraq Invasion. Building the Internet by digging for Facts and supporting those speaking Truth to Power. Taking back the US House with Madam Secretary (much good that did) but we did make some difference in policy and managed to hold back some of the worst of Bush policies here at home even if we couldn't stop the Regime Change abroad. But, we have kept working to expose the lies about our Foreign Policy and Wall Street Bailouts and so much more.
Looking back we can see the progression. Look at Bernie! Who could have imagined he would get this far. And, even Trump, the Crazy, is speaking out against Iraq Invasion and the failed "Trade" Agreements. Issues that we fought so long to expose are now finally being discussed in this election. We've come so far and have so far to go.
What you say, Sabrina 1.
Generic Other
(28,979 posts)Getting the boot in the face does that. Also, while the voices were seemingly silenced, the memories very much lived on.
Avalux
(35,015 posts)They're out there on the ground and all over the net - their enthusiasm is infectious. I'm a GenXer helping out too, but these kids - they are amazing! I've never seen anything like it. SO PROUD OF THEM!!!!
marions ghost
(19,841 posts)appalachiablue
(41,127 posts)But Occupy, Warren, Bernie, Reich, Piketty and so many others are effectively working to return the voice of the people.
Punkingal
(9,522 posts)Gregorian
(23,867 posts)snooper2
(30,151 posts)WHEN CRABS ROAR
(3,813 posts)Peace Patriot
(24,010 posts)You mean this sweet, homey. 'ordinary' guy can be PRESIDENT?!
It brought tears to my eyes. It's been such a long road to this possibility!
navarth
(5,927 posts)Also: Lafayette Park eh? Very nice. Gonna be interesting to see what it's like after they figure out what they're going to do with I-275.
tomm2thumbs
(13,297 posts)may have been as high as 87% for the lower spread --
either way, it is amazingly great news -- "AND THEY'LL NEVER SHOW UP"
LOL
PatrynXX
(5,668 posts)Gen x'ers last night
N_E_1 for Tennis
(9,715 posts)Oh the fun we had back in the seventies...if we only had the power of social media back then...what changes we could have had...
But we did the best we could do. Teaching the younger ones is reaping the benefits now.
pdsimdars
(6,007 posts)For those who lived through the 60s and 70s, we can provide the stabilizing influence to let the know that this is nothing over the edge of the world, but this is how it's done and you can force the establishment to change when the people unite.
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)There was a time when Michigan was a worker's paradise. The UAW was riding high in the 70s to the point where one executive said to a union negotiator, "Next you'll be asking for your mother-in-law's birthday off."
The next year they did and they got it.
This was before the rise of the robots.
Kip Humphrey
(4,753 posts)my generation is give it up. Its NOT your turn anymore. Its no longer YOUR future. Its time to listen to and heed your children.
snooper2
(30,151 posts)whatchamacallit
(15,558 posts)aren't displaying the ageism you are.
Human101948
(3,457 posts)and it ain't Hillary.
snooper2
(30,151 posts)Obama for a Third Term!
Beacool
(30,247 posts)Frankly, I've said it before and I stand by it, I think that 75 years old is too old to start a presidency. I have also said that Hillary at 69 (on election day) is barely making it under the wire, as she would be the same age as Reagan was when he was elected.
FrostyAusty
(57 posts)First of all a big thank you to all the volunteers and wonderful people who are dedicating their time to help Bernie!!
Secondly, I am one of those younger voters the MSM is counting on not showing up but believe me Bernie will win BIG here in my state of Washington. Like those of us who follow the news outside of the biased MSM, we will not be swayed by delegate totals that include superdelegates (without mentioning the fact that they can change at any time). Sure Hillary is still the favorite but time and momentum are on Bernie's side, we the people will not be fooled. The time has come to stand up to corporate oligarchy and take back the country for the working/middle class, and I am so proud of everyone who is continuing to fight the good fight.
Thank you all, and feel the BERN!!
hay rick
(7,605 posts)Yes millennials favor Sanders by a wide margin. Unfortunately, supporting doesn't count if it doesn't include voting. In my county in Florida, registered voters in their 70s (70-79) voted at an 80.2% rate in the 2014 election. In the same election, registered voters under 30 (18-29) voted at a 26.5% rate. The younger voter group did somewhat better in 2012, a presidential year, 55% vs. 90.9% for voters in their 70s.
I'm happy that the group of millennial professionals that you encountered support Sanders. They have a lot of work to do.
Kalidurga
(14,177 posts)Maedhros
(10,007 posts)One can expect that they will do so in the General as well, if Bernie is the nominee.
hay rick
(7,605 posts)He is a founder of that movement, but it needs to go on with or without him. I would love the instant gratification of a Bernie nomination, a Bernie presidency, and a Bernie congress- but the millennials need to commit themselves to a longer, harder struggle. I suggest that the best, maybe only practical alternative, is for them to take over and reshape the Democratic Party. I know that at my local level, they would be embraced with open arms.
Maedhros
(10,007 posts)I keep telling my stepdaughter, "If your generation were to become politically active, you could change America in profound ways."
stopwastingmymoney
(2,041 posts)18 and 19 years old, they're both interested in politics for the first time.
It's beautiful to see these wonderful young women grow up and become involved.
I am one proud auntie.
90-percent
(6,829 posts)And I feel my generation must repair the damage and corruption that has ruined their future. The least we can do is do all we can to get Bernie elected, so young people of today have the opportunity to pursue life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness we all enjoyed in our youth. (To an extent. My professional post college working life started a year before Trickle Down Reagan was elected.)
-90% Jimmy
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)Raster
(20,998 posts)Now is the time to act: For our party, for our country, for our species, for our planet.
noiretextatique
(27,275 posts)And our generation fucked up royally. Too many got snowed by not only the DLC/3rd way, but also by Reagan.
dana_b
(11,546 posts)Thankfully I know more thoughtful, hard working/caring boomers than not. Lots of people who did so much good in the 60s, 70s and beyond. Thank you for caring!!
WillyT
(72,631 posts)Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)davidthegnome
(2,983 posts)Some of us are not quite that young anymore. While I encourage my fellow millenials to vote for Sanders, I also encourage them to research the issues, to read up on policies, to consider what they want, not just for themselves, but for the future of our Country.
That said, I encourage those of any age to do the same. We are all Americans - and whether we support Sanders or Clinton, most of us want a lot of the same things, we are on the same side, for the most part... where we differ, is in how to accomplish the changes we need.
There are significant generational differences. The generations that went before us (millenials specifically) are likely to maintain a higher standard of living, speaking generally, of course. We are witnessing the decline of our standard of living, of education, of union-type employment, of even the right to negotiate for wages and benefits. The common union busting, the gleeful attack on what remains of our social safety net (mostly by republicans - but with some democratic allies) the contempt for the poor, for the homeless, for people who don't fit into some WASP, some lily-white, butter and bread, american pie stereo type.
I am but one of the many, many examples of my age group/generation. I have spent several years without health insurance, working for minimum wage, trying to make it through university education (I made it for a year, before funding ran out and left me in crippling debt). I am one of the many, many examples from my age group/generation that has worked under the table for less than minimum wage. That has been injured and disabled and fallen through the cracks of both our health insurance programs and our overall social safety net. I am one of the many, many examples of poor people in general living at the mercy of our current economy which promotes and supports the 1% and "job creators" as if they were Gods, as if money were it's own ideal, it's own value, as if it were God... or as Catholics might say, the Father, the Son, AND the holy friggin spirit.
Why am I supporting Sanders? Because I've been down this road before. I voted for Obama, in part, because he did NOT support the IWR, but primarily because of his notion that everyone should be entitled, at least, to basic healthcare. While he did make some accomplishments in that regard, ultimately he failed... not because he was a bad man or a crook, but because (IMO) he was a great diplomat - a man willing and eager to work with others to compromise. Normally that would not be such a bad thing - but we CANNOT work with these insane tea party republicans, bigots and ignorant little toads that are destroying everything we have built and worked for. We failed, also, because of obstructionists within congress and the senate... and not all of them were republicans. We ended up without a public option, let alone single payer. We ended up with individual states rejecting medicaid expansion (thank you very much, supreme assholes of the ignorant court).
Infrastructure, environment, healthcare, workers rights, wage increases... all issues, where, for me, Sanders is not only leading the pack, but also speaking for my generation, for me personally, for so many of us who see not simply a want for what he proposes... but a desperate need. All of our lives matter. We need a new NEW DEAL. It's past time to turn this thing on it's head, to engage ourselves, in the class warfare that the wealthy elite (particularly conservative wealthy elite) have been waging successfully for decades.
Let's do this. We are the 99%, we have the numbers, the passion, the spirit, the strength, the courage... and the will, to move forward.
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)Why can't we have nice things? Well Bernie says we can have nice things and I believe him.
Did we spend too much on unnecessary wars of choice? Tax cuts for the wealthy?
Stop abusing the American people, America's young people.
lark
(23,091 posts)They've been leaning Hillary, but I'm talking up Bernie and they are now both wavering. I've got a couple of weeks to seal the deal for Bernie.
Nanjeanne
(4,950 posts)99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)We are making history, in large part because of you.
Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)jtuck004
(15,882 posts)...
Gerson is credited with coining such phrases as "the soft bigotry of low expectations" and "the armies of compassion".[16] His noteworthy phrases for Bush are said to include "Axis of Evil," a phrase adapted from "axis of hatred," itself suggested by fellow speechwriter David Frum but deemed too mild.[17]
That was one of the phrases Bush used to justify how he carved on "education". They were used to take away resources from people we need to invest in, getting rid of opportunity and implementing "no child left behind".
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Gerson < Not the best reference perhaps, but handy.
It's dangerous, because it speaks to some vague high-minded ideal, but is used to hurt people, not help them.
just fyi.
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)Hillary - I'm not just your Mom's candidate anymore
ladjf
(17,320 posts)loose the most money to the greedy oligarchs. They not only understand clearly what is going on,
partially thanks to Bernie's speeches, they can calculate their loses over their expected lifespan.
My oldest son is 35 yrs old. He frequently talks about the decreasing opportunities for capable young people in the job market. For the most part, unless they know someone who is at a higher professional level and who will help them, they are forced to take employment with minimum salaries.
Damn right they know what's going on and they are mad as hell about it. Let's go Bernie. We are with you because you are with us. We've finally found an adult politician who we can trust and admire. Makes us feel better about America, gives us hope.
dana_b
(11,546 posts)all of the millenials that I know are voting for him.
And this:
"As GenXers, we understand a little bit about "the soft bigotry of low expectations."
Right?! I was always so SICK of being called "slackers" back in the 90s when I was working my butt off. Ugh!!!
Manifestor_of_Light
(21,046 posts)I've been involved in Democratic politics for many decades. I was pushing cards for Frances (Sissy) Farenthold's run for Governor back in 1972. I wasn't even old enough to vote them.
I've been a state delegate three times in the past 35 years. Don't talk to me about being involved.
I am absolutely thrilled that the younger generation has gotten off their butts and are INVOLVED in Democratic justice and fairness.
JustABozoOnThisBus
(23,338 posts)And, I hope, by the time the millennial professionals' children are school-age, Detroit's public schools are attractive enough to keep them in Detroit.
It's good to see parts of Detroit coming back to life.
marmar
(77,073 posts)Generic Other
(28,979 posts)In every town too!
I have a long memory and made some videos to help me never forget!
silvershadow
(10,336 posts)MrScorpio
(73,630 posts)You're in my old neighborhood... One of these days we're going to have to do lunch. Greektown specifically.
marmar
(77,073 posts)burrowowl
(17,638 posts)who has been a socialist since the age of 10: Go young'uns!
Go Bernie!
Uncle Joe
(58,349 posts)Thanks for sharing, marmar.
highprincipleswork
(3,111 posts)SmittynMo
(3,544 posts)I am so impressed how they have come out to support their beliefs. The past 2-3 gens have not been as vocal. But then, there was no Bernie for them to support.
Thank you Millennials. Thank you Bernie..
Maybe, just maybe, we as a country will finally progress forward. Not sideways, or backwards.
avaistheone1
(14,626 posts)Love how you are transforming this election. Wow!
Go Bernie!!!!!!!!!!!!!!