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Question for Chicagoans: Does a wounded Rahm Emmanuel have the juice to deliver in Illinois? (Original Post) DefenseLawyer Mar 2016 OP
Rahm and Hillary: Birds of a feather ghostsinthemachine Mar 2016 #1
zowie! Truth! oldandhappy Mar 2016 #2
I realize that. DefenseLawyer Mar 2016 #3
I think he is more liability than ghostsinthemachine Mar 2016 #5
not sure about that, but nice turn of the phrase 6chars Mar 2016 #4
I hope that Bernie plays up the Rahm Clinton connection NWCorona Mar 2016 #6
I don't think that video was ever meant to be released. n/t Skwmom Mar 2016 #7
They knew it was gonna be released but they fought tooth and nail NWCorona Mar 2016 #9
A journalist sued to get it released. Thus no lawsuit, no release. n/t Skwmom Mar 2016 #18
I'm not denying that. I'm saying that is the reason it would NWCorona Mar 2016 #20
I don't think that you have to worry about that. virtualobserver Mar 2016 #26
I do too. Waiting For Everyman Mar 2016 #31
hmm Gwhittey Mar 2016 #8
But are the precinct captains still confident in him? That's my question n/t DefenseLawyer Mar 2016 #10
It will be interesting to see if she has any photo ops with him. Punkingal Mar 2016 #11
She's trying to run with Madigan's name, but Kittycat Mar 2016 #32
Chuy Should Have Won The Mayoral Election corbettkroehler Mar 2016 #12
Rahm might be too toxic even for Clinton -- Hell Hath No Fury Mar 2016 #13
It looks like I didn't do a very good job of framing my question. DefenseLawyer Mar 2016 #14
From the results of his last election -- Hell Hath No Fury Mar 2016 #16
Democratic Committeemen appoint precinct captains, not the Mayor. ieoeja Mar 2016 #24
Good stuff. DefenseLawyer Mar 2016 #27
The Machine Politics Bjornsdotter Mar 2016 #28
It's my understanding Rahm moved from working for Sen Simon when the DLC came to be HereSince1628 Mar 2016 #37
I came across something on Rahm Emanuel recently that I hadn't been aware of BernieforPres2016 Mar 2016 #15
k and r! may rahm find free housing in gitmo. bbgrunt Mar 2016 #17
For some people, enough is NEVER enough. n/t Skwmom Mar 2016 #19
I hope Rahm endorses Clinton. Katashi_itto Mar 2016 #21
Whether he has formally endorsed her or not, he has made it clear he supports her BernieforPres2016 Mar 2016 #29
Good, Hopefully its a Kiss of Death for her. Katashi_itto Mar 2016 #30
The Machine (re: Democratic Committeemen) have already slated Hillary. ieoeja Mar 2016 #22
Thanks for explaining alcibiades_mystery Mar 2016 #25
More to the point: How much shit can Rahm and the machine pull on E-Day? Ken Burch Mar 2016 #23
I can tell you this. timmymoff Mar 2016 #34
I am not a Chicagoan but the answers are yes and yes. Vattel Mar 2016 #33
In a true democratic election, Rahm would probably hurt Clinton. But this is Chicago. DemocraticWing Mar 2016 #35
Did she get an endorsement from Blagojovich? JustABozoOnThisBus Mar 2016 #36
 

DefenseLawyer

(11,101 posts)
3. I realize that.
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 12:20 PM
Mar 2016

But Rahm has his own problems right now. Does his weak position in Chicago make him less effective in delivering Chicago?

ghostsinthemachine

(3,569 posts)
5. I think he is more liability than
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 12:28 PM
Mar 2016

Asset. Rahm is exactly what is wrong with certain aspects of the Democratic Party. All exemplified by HRC.

NWCorona

(8,541 posts)
6. I hope that Bernie plays up the Rahm Clinton connection
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 12:30 PM
Mar 2016

How he hid that video until he was elected is right up Clinton's alley.

NWCorona

(8,541 posts)
9. They knew it was gonna be released but they fought tooth and nail
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 12:34 PM
Mar 2016

I do agree that they never wanted it to be released tho.

NWCorona

(8,541 posts)
20. I'm not denying that. I'm saying that is the reason it would
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 02:14 PM
Mar 2016

have to be released and Rahm stalled until after the election.

Kittycat

(10,493 posts)
32. She's trying to run with Madigan's name, but
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 04:37 PM
Mar 2016

I don't see that being much use either. The stalemate in the state between him and our crazy Govenor aren't doing us any good. If anything, it all plays in to Bernie's message more. Imo

corbettkroehler

(1,898 posts)
12. Chuy Should Have Won The Mayoral Election
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 12:54 PM
Mar 2016

The main reason Batterning Rahm retained power by reelection was that he spent $5 million of the people money as hush money. Had the voters known about police brutality, Chuy would have won the seat. Who supports Bernie for President? Chuy!

 

Hell Hath No Fury

(16,327 posts)
13. Rahm might be too toxic even for Clinton --
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 12:56 PM
Mar 2016

If she has a big Chicago event as he is NOT the one introducing her, you have your answer.

Since Rahm is one of the architects of the Union and job-killing Third Way movement, Bernie would be smart to highlight the personal and ideological connections between the two.

 

DefenseLawyer

(11,101 posts)
14. It looks like I didn't do a very good job of framing my question.
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 01:01 PM
Mar 2016

Traditionally in Chicago the Daley Machine could deliver votes, by controlling the captains at a precinct level. I'm not asking whether Rahm's endorsement or Rahm at campaign events will help her, I'm asking if he still has control over the machine.

 

Hell Hath No Fury

(16,327 posts)
16. From the results of his last election --
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 01:43 PM
Mar 2016

I would say yes. In his run-off with Chuy he was able to up the turnout by around 25% and get the win.

 

ieoeja

(9,748 posts)
24. Democratic Committeemen appoint precinct captains, not the Mayor.
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 04:10 PM
Mar 2016

We elect Democratic Committeemen directly. They appoint precinct captains who are then loyal to them, not the Mayor.

These same Democratic Committeemen from every Ward meet to determine a slate of candidates. Whom to slate for Mayor is actually one of the candidates that these Committeemen discuss. So the relationship is the opposite of what non-Chicagoans think.

In my time up here, we have had four mayors. Two of them -- both African-American -- had very little sway on these Committeemen outside the A-A Wards.

While Young Man Daley had great influence over south siders, north siders couldn't give less of a flying fuck what he had to say about anything. Daley tried once, though. And got his ass handed to him for his trouble.

I don't know how they feel about Rahm. But as someone whose political career started outside The Machine, he probably has little influence with them.


FYI: the Committeemen voted long ago to slate Hillary for President.

 

DefenseLawyer

(11,101 posts)
27. Good stuff.
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 04:21 PM
Mar 2016

Thanks for the insight. I have always heard from my Chicago friends that the Chicago mayor (going back forever) used patronage to exercise control over the Machine. It didn't have much to do with how they 'felt" about him, they just acted in self interest. But it's interesting, it sounds like that is not the case.

Bjornsdotter

(6,123 posts)
28. The Machine Politics
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 04:26 PM
Mar 2016

....of Richard J Daley saw its last hurrah when Washington died. My grandfather was heavily into politics and my husband's grandmother was good friends with Sis Daley. Favors flowed fast and furious then, not now. Chicago of the '60's & '70's is not the Chicago of today.

BernieforPres2016

(3,017 posts)
15. I came across something on Rahm Emanuel recently that I hadn't been aware of
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 01:07 PM
Mar 2016
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stan_Greenberg

<In May 2010 Greenberg was linked to a controversy involving White House Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel. As a House member, Emanuel had lived for five years in a rent-free D.C. apartment jointly owned by Greenberg's wife, Democratic House member Rosa DeLauro of Connecticut, and Greenberg. During this time, Emanuel was chairman of a committee that awarded large polling contracts to Greenberg's firm.[2]>

5 years rent free in a D.C. apartment. What's that worth, $150K to $200K?

But David Brock's organization dismisses it as a conspiracy theory. After all, Rahm had plenty of money so he could afford to pay rent. And he wasn't going to hire an incompetent political consultant and damage his reputation. Don't worry about those conflicts of interest (as with Hillary's $225K speeches), they don't affect us. After all, Rahm made $16 million as an investment banker in 4 years via the government/Wall Street/government revolving door.

http://mediamatters.org/blog/2010/06/08/corsis-emanuelgreenbergbp-conspiracy-doesnt-mak/165905

<What is Emanuel's motivation? Emanuel made more than $16 million as an investment banker from 1999-2002. It's not like Greenberg took him in when Emanuel had no other options and saved him from having to live on the street -- Emanuel obviously could have afforded to rent an apartment. Instead, he decided to live in his friend's basement. For Emanuel, the benefit he's receiving in a purported deal in which he gets to live rent-free in Greenberg's basement and in return, Greenberg is rewarded with DCCC contracts and one of his clients avoids regulation seems fairly minimal.>

BernieforPres2016

(3,017 posts)
29. Whether he has formally endorsed her or not, he has made it clear he supports her
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 04:30 PM
Mar 2016

He said he hoped she still supported him and thought she did. That was a couple of weeks or so ago.

 

ieoeja

(9,748 posts)
22. The Machine (re: Democratic Committeemen) have already slated Hillary.
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 03:55 PM
Mar 2016

Rahm is not really all that important.
 

alcibiades_mystery

(36,437 posts)
25. Thanks for explaining
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 04:16 PM
Mar 2016

People outside Chicago have a very contrary notion of how the politics actually works here.

I'd also note that Cook County Dem Org has also slated Clinton for President. The major difference between my ward slate and the Cook County slate is that my ward committeeman endorsed Anita Alvarez while Cook County Dems endorsed Kim Foxx.

 

Ken Burch

(50,254 posts)
23. More to the point: How much shit can Rahm and the machine pull on E-Day?
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 04:01 PM
Mar 2016

Will they be able to shut down voting machines in precincts that might be Berning?

 

timmymoff

(1,947 posts)
34. I can tell you this.
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 04:44 PM
Mar 2016

I'm in central Illinois and we have a Bernie group that also works with a student group, when the Sanders campaign decided to open a temporary headquarter for the area, we had a ton of stuff already in place, they were extremely pleased. Just Sunday I held a debate party and 50% of the people attending were knew. I'm just saying it is possible the various downstate efforts can hold off Chicago (if the Rahm connection doesn't already harm her)after all the Chicago machine didn't keep Bruce Rauner from being elected governor

DemocraticWing

(1,290 posts)
35. In a true democratic election, Rahm would probably hurt Clinton. But this is Chicago.
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 04:55 PM
Mar 2016

I don't even know if I'd vote if I lived in Chicago. There are despots the world over that would envy the efficiency of the machine.

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