2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumWere Naughty Republicans the true key to Sanders Michigan Win?
Inquiring minds want to know.
nc4bo
(17,651 posts)hobbit709
(41,694 posts)Judging from your OPs your mind is pretty much made up and any facts be damned.
Kip Humphrey
(4,753 posts)sometimes.
Lizzie Poppet
(10,164 posts)Perhaps they meant "perspiring mimes want to know."
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hobbit709
(41,694 posts)Purveyor
(29,876 posts)insta8er
(960 posts)NaturalHigh
(12,778 posts)kennetha
(3,666 posts)Goblinmonger
(22,340 posts)So "naughty republicans" made up a 23% shift in polls overnight?
Whatever helps you get a good night's sleep, I guess.
kennetha
(3,666 posts)but maybe a part of it.
Sky Masterson
(5,240 posts)person to defeat. I would say that he won independent voters and that is why he finished ahead
kennetha
(3,666 posts)that's what made me wonder.
You saw republicans admit to voting for Hillary in Michigan and it made you wonder if republicans made Bernie win? Weird.
djean111
(14,255 posts)morningfog
(18,115 posts)dogman
(6,073 posts)I read of HRC supporters who were so confident they could take a pass in the Dem Primary and tried to influence the GOP Primary. I would bet the totals on both balanced out. A dozen of one equals a dozen of the other.
Ken Burch
(50,254 posts)ibegurpard
(16,685 posts)Hillary is a far weaker candidate against a faux populist like Trump.
Cal Carpenter
(4,959 posts)that 4% of those voting on the Dem ballot are Republicans. (By way of comparison, 7% of those voting on a Repub ballot were Dems).
The sample size of Repubs voting on the Dem ballot was so small they didn't even register one way or another.
http://www.cnn.com/election/primaries/polls/mi/Dem
mythology
(9,527 posts)Conspiracy theories are silly.
Cal Carpenter
(4,959 posts)when the truth is readily available. But the OP and others do not seem interested in facts, just spreading FUD.
Thing is, they would do much better on behalf of their candidate if they acknowledged and acted on facts. Instead, they use tactics akin to asking "So when did you stop beating your wife?".
In_The_Wind
(72,300 posts)Jokerman
(3,518 posts)whatchamacallit
(15,558 posts)but in time you'll come to accept the truth.
restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)and everyone has the right to vote for the candidate of their choice.
i would think that dems would be happy to see such crossover appeal
?
99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)they are just smart enough to know a decent honest compassionate & capable candidate
when they see one at work, up close in their own state.
Bernie WILL pull many GOP voters over to vote for him in the GE --for similar reasons -- if
he's our nominee, VERY unlike Hillary.
litlbilly
(2,227 posts)ThePhilosopher04
(1,732 posts)it's highly doubtful there were 20+ thousand Republicans in the state of Michigan willing to throw away their chance at history to vote either for or against Trump. And they don't hate Hillary THAT bad. Now I wouldn't be at all surprised if their were a large number of registered Republicans who gravitate to Bernie's message, especially in a state which has been destroyed by disastrous trade policy over the last 25 years. It must suck to have to rationalize everything.
Fairgo
(1,571 posts)When you give up your values for the sake of winning, when you will cheer for a color rather than an idea, it gets to a point where you everyone has lost their way. The real irony here is that republicans have been seeping into the democratic party for decades now. The 3rd way is the brine in the water table that has been slowly poisoning the party. And now we find value-republicans (real republicans actually have respectable values...not mine, but understandable) wearing democratic jerseys, projecting baseless fantasy upon value-democrats (hanging by their fingernails onto the edge of their party), accusing them of being the agents of the chaos-republicans that have been seeping into the opposition.
That is what happens when you forsake your values for winning...beyond hypocrisy to madness.
Skwmom
(12,685 posts)litlbilly
(2,227 posts)Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)litlbilly
(2,227 posts)Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)Nitram
(22,768 posts)Motown_Johnny
(22,308 posts)It seems unlikely that they could have also crossed over to vote against Hillary.
Inquiring minds should try to think things through before posting them.
See how easy that was?
I remember some boob on Usenet who basically ended every post with the same sentiment ("Inquiring minds want to know" .
Suffice to say the topic involved Hillary Clinton.
I'd elaborate, but doing so would probably invite an alert.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)Cal Carpenter
(4,959 posts)I don't understand the need for speculation when the facts are available, but then again there is a lot about DU that I don't understand these days.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)... besides, I doubt that those who'd do as I speculate are likely to be truthful in their exit poll responses.
Cal Carpenter
(4,959 posts)but I'm sure you know that.
You can choose to believe or doubt whatever you want, but this is politics, not religion or the tooth fairy. You'd do better by the candidate you support to actually look at the facts and act on those. Independents were the major wild card in Michigan, they explain much of the discrepancy with the pre-election polls, and focusing on that segment of the population and how to win their votes is always a key in elections. Clearly it is even more important than usual this time around in states with open primaries.
Perhaps it is easier (or more fun?) to blame Repub trolls than to face the facts, but they are there if you want them. The facts are that more Dems voted on the Republican ballot in Michigan than the other way around.
timmymoff
(1,947 posts)Oh I forgot, one group of democrats seem to be living in a political bubble.
riderinthestorm
(23,272 posts)Bernie got the win with his usual coalitions and also by drawing in more POC
democrattotheend
(11,605 posts)I think there was some of that strategic voting going on in 2008 (for both Clinton and Obama) after McCain had basically locked up the nomination, but I doubt that is happening much right now since Republican voters have such a hot contest on their own side.
FWIW, I have a few libertarian friends, all in the top 5% income-wise, who usually prefer Republicans over Democrats. One of them said he would vote for Trump over Clinton but would vote for Sanders over Trump. The other one usually votes libertarian and has never voted for a major party presidential candidate, but concedes that he agrees with Sanders on many things and finds him less offensive than Clinton or Trump.
Maybe there are a few Republicans who decided to cross over and vote for Sanders because they think he will be weaker in November. But I am not aware of any kind of organized effort by Republicans to do this, and like I said, I doubt most Republicans would give up the chance to have a say in their own party's nominee.
frustrated_lefty
(2,774 posts)Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)The bullshit you are pondering is simply not born out by the numbers. And those numbers actually exist. You of course have the power of Google at your busy little finger tips and could have learned that on your own, but no.
Your tactics are not working, your tactics help Bernie. Please keep up the good work!!!!!!
kennetha
(3,666 posts)Some Clinton supporters chose to vote in the Republican primary. We know 7 percent of voters in the Republican primary identified themselves as Democrats to exit pollsters, compared with just 4 percent of voters in the Democratic primary who said they were Republicans. Those 7 percent of Dems were likely mostly Hillary voters who thought she had an easy win and they could do their part trying to stop [Donald] Trump, said Bernie Porn of pollster EPIC-MRA. The exit-poll samples are too small, though, to check that.
Well, we won't make that mistake again. Guarantee you that.
TheFarseer
(9,317 posts)a Democrat wouldn't want Bernie Sanders to be president instead of Hillary Clinton? The only shenanigans going on is Hillary winning absentee voting about 5-1 in caucus states.