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Godhumor

(6,437 posts)
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 04:24 PM Mar 2016

I've decided I'm done disparaging Bernie's campaign

Now, don't get me wrong, I'll still get into tit-for-tat "discussions" with his supporters in GDP and bring the snark when I feel like it, but Bernie and his campaign...well, I now have a tremendous amount of respect for them.

There is no longer any reason to treat him like a fringe candidate or an anomaly. After last night, it is clear, win or lose, Bernie has tapped into an ethos that the party has long neglected, and that, in and of itself, is enough to compliment him on what he's done.

I mean, honestly, to win what he has won without party backing and almost solely on the donations of people tells me that the Democratic Party has a lot of deep thinking it needs to do when the primaries finish up. And the party powers-that-be better take that very, very seriously.

So, good for Bernie. He has made waves this primary season. And, unlike Trump, his waves have been constructive, positive and affirmative (As opposed to destructive, xenophobic and narcissistic.).

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I've decided I'm done disparaging Bernie's campaign (Original Post) Godhumor Mar 2016 OP
Hopefully discussions on both sides of the Demo fence can start turning in this direction.... villager Mar 2016 #1
I don't see much hope. The Party has split with those that side with the ruling Oligarchy rhett o rick Mar 2016 #10
I have to say I agree with you passiveporcupine Mar 2016 #40
I've asked why Democrats support a candidate that is obviously controlled by Big Money and rhett o rick Mar 2016 #44
Perhaps it is because ALL other political candidates, pangaia Mar 2016 #50
I think they revere those with money. nm rhett o rick Mar 2016 #59
That certainly is true. pangaia Mar 2016 #64
My local State Representative (R) gets donations Downwinder Mar 2016 #73
You mean Democratic. navarth Mar 2016 #112
I think... Plucketeer Mar 2016 #66
anyone who watched msnbc last night could easily see that. Their facial expressions told the litlbilly Mar 2016 #54
Money is the bottom line, true. anothergreenbus Mar 2016 #144
What exactly does "no more sit down and shut up for us" mean if Hillary is the nominee? Jackie Wilson Said Mar 2016 #78
Means many of us Democrats will vote for all the Democrats on our ballots but not JDPriestly Mar 2016 #84
Very interesting article and sammythecat Mar 2016 #114
Post removed Post removed Mar 2016 #121
As I Watched Last Night Debate gordyfl Mar 2016 #132
100% with what you just stated. Bohunk68 Mar 2016 #125
Maybe it means that many Dems DocMac Mar 2016 #87
We continue to fight on. Work on progressive congress-critters. Work on getting Sen Warren rhett o rick Mar 2016 #90
Oh hell, some of us have been doing that since the 60's. I thought you were implying something Jackie Wilson Said Mar 2016 #91
A vote for Clinton is a vote for the status quo. rhett o rick Mar 2016 #111
There you go again Rhett. Nitram Mar 2016 #135
Been there done that. I have posted many, many OPs on issues only to get derision from rhett o rick Mar 2016 #145
I have a naive hope anothergreenbus Mar 2016 #143
They failed us in 2000 and are doing the same in 2016. You seem to assume that rhett o rick Mar 2016 #146
both factions don't want the party to mean something, stand for something, and have characteristics MisterP Mar 2016 #22
One wonders if America, over the next 10 or so years, will be getting new parties? villager Mar 2016 #24
I see abundant nihilism on the part of the Democrats as well. Maedhros Mar 2016 #28
We've already reached the empire stage. Volaris Mar 2016 #124
Thank you for providing an example. [n/t] Maedhros Mar 2016 #148
Not sure I understand. If sarcasm and I'm missing it Volaris Mar 2016 #149
I have a friend that says that exact thing: "we can only try to slow the collapse" Maedhros Mar 2016 #150
Good luck with that. tazkcmo Mar 2016 #127
Correct marions ghost Mar 2016 #130
You couldn't have been that bad corkhead Mar 2016 #2
Ditto. I must be close to a hundred. nt VulgarPoet Mar 2016 #139
Thanks man. beam me up scottie Mar 2016 #3
Thank you for that. n/t. Ken Burch Mar 2016 #4
Well I am going to be working with Hillary supporters Kalidurga Mar 2016 #5
I for one, appreciate what you said here. Blus4u Mar 2016 #6
Your brains and honesty make you a standout among DU Hillary supporters. Vattel Mar 2016 #7
That's ok, it's probably still better than being an over paranoid giftedgirl77 Mar 2016 #134
Great post. TTUBatfan2008 Mar 2016 #8
He will win! JDPriestly Mar 2016 #86
Yep, it occurred to me that Texas is still firmly entrenched red. VulgarPoet Mar 2016 #142
Yes, deep thinking, then take a breath, then do what your heart wants you to do - support BERNIE! highprincipleswork Mar 2016 #9
I've never said a bad word about Bernie or his one_voice Mar 2016 #11
Yup vdogg Mar 2016 #92
You can't complain about there never being a common ground when you EvolveOrConvolve Mar 2016 #113
... bunnies Mar 2016 #12
You touch something that is my main fear if Clinton wins jeff47 Mar 2016 #13
This part of his OP and your thoughts were in my mind artislife Mar 2016 #18
If Hillary wins, they'll treat voter discontent as irrelevant; Marr Mar 2016 #46
That's how I see it marions ghost Mar 2016 #129
The Party leadership is owned lock, stock and barrel by the Oligarchy and won't re-thinking anything rhett o rick Mar 2016 #49
Welcome to the dark side mindwalker_i Mar 2016 #14
I think he's been close for most of the campaign, but really hit the vein with a focus on jobs/trade DemocraticWing Mar 2016 #15
Nice Post..! KoKo Mar 2016 #16
i have always thought your posts were respectful and reasonable. Punkingal Mar 2016 #17
Great to hear! pat_k Mar 2016 #19
Thank you. Awesome post. Bread and Circus Mar 2016 #20
Thanks for sharing your views, it's much appreciated. appalachiablue Mar 2016 #21
Very nice. NRaleighLiberal Mar 2016 #23
I just hope that IF Hillary wins the nomination truebluegreen Mar 2016 #25
See, now if posts from ignored DUers didn't show up in "Trending Now"... Flying Squirrel Mar 2016 #26
I really, REALLY don't. VulgarPoet Mar 2016 #140
Thank you for saying this. MuseRider Mar 2016 #27
Its funny jcgoldie Mar 2016 #29
a lot of deep thinking it needs to do when the primaries finish up. AlbertCat Mar 2016 #30
bravo gh, best op from you ever:) litlbilly Mar 2016 #31
and it deserves your name being removed from my ignore list litlbilly Mar 2016 #33
I have always like Sanders and many of his positions Gothmog Mar 2016 #32
Exactly where I am. But I am very impressed with the MI win n/t Godhumor Mar 2016 #37
you are absolutely correct ibegurpard Mar 2016 #34
That's a good response. Spitfire of ATJ Mar 2016 #35
Good OP! Thanks much for that. n/t bvf Mar 2016 #36
Excellent post, very thoughtful and thought provoking. bvar22 Mar 2016 #38
You know, you can always feel the bern; you don't have to just watch the bern. valerief Mar 2016 #39
I'll happily vote for Bernie if he wins the nomination, but Godhumor Mar 2016 #41
Oh, well, I tried! valerief Mar 2016 #42
Classy, reasonable and well put. Raster Mar 2016 #43
great op. i knew there was a reason restorefreedom Mar 2016 #45
Why are they disparaging him in the first place Cheese Sandwich Mar 2016 #47
Don't ask. Just accept the good gesture.. there is more than you think... fun n serious Mar 2016 #53
Be careful, you'll get blocked from the HRC group for talk like that. hootinholler Mar 2016 #48
I don't think that's true.. fun n serious Mar 2016 #55
I think they're being facetious, at least I hope so Godhumor Mar 2016 #56
? I will vote for Bernie fun n serious Mar 2016 #57
You won't be blocked. We don't work that way...nt fun n serious Mar 2016 #58
Could you unblock me from the Sanders group? joshcryer Mar 2016 #80
I don't believe in blocking people. I don't believe in the private groups. JDPriestly Mar 2016 #102
Excellent post Dem2 Mar 2016 #51
It isn't about rivalry. It is about honest government. JDPriestly Mar 2016 #103
I like Bernie and Hillary both Dem2 Mar 2016 #108
I've always respected Bernie. Buzz Clik Mar 2016 #52
This is a really nice post. Blue_In_AK Mar 2016 #60
Thank you, Godhumor. nt Duval Mar 2016 #61
"There is no longer any reason to treat him like a fringe candidate or an anomaly" ConsiderThis_2016 Mar 2016 #62
It's easy to think Clinton would win the convention cycle, but she's not going to WhiteHat Mar 2016 #63
You're a good Democrat. zentrum Mar 2016 #65
Nebraska hibbing Mar 2016 #67
Thank you for this very thoughtful post. K&R myrna minx Mar 2016 #68
"The Elite leadership of the Democratic Party has been co-opted by the Oligarchy" .. so much for Recoverin_Republican Mar 2016 #69
Huge K & R !!! WillyT Mar 2016 #70
As though Bernie supporters need your blessing silenttigersong Mar 2016 #71
I don't think that is what the OP was doing... ScreamingMeemie Mar 2016 #74
Not at all my point and certainly not a blessing n/t Godhumor Mar 2016 #96
Bernie is a real Progressive with good ideas lunatica Mar 2016 #72
"So, good for Bernie. He has made waves this primary season." Jopin Klobe Mar 2016 #75
Thank you angrychair Mar 2016 #76
That's the essence of Sanders' campaign, right there. Orsino Mar 2016 #77
Thank you but... noretreatnosurrender Mar 2016 #79
It took time to prove it, in my opinion Godhumor Mar 2016 #95
Good for Bernie. It's Hillary's corruption that is the problem. JDPriestly Mar 2016 #81
I care deeply about what happens to this country BuddhaGirl Mar 2016 #89
I'm in California. If Hillary gets the nomination (God forbid because she is weak on the JDPriestly Mar 2016 #94
Wow! rosesaylavee Mar 2016 #82
Hear hear alcibiades_mystery Mar 2016 #83
3 cheers for this voice of reason and civility! slumcamper Mar 2016 #85
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Mar 2016 #88
K&R mate. I made the same decision in January. Amimnoch Mar 2016 #93
Message auto-removed Name removed Mar 2016 #97
I'm sorry you don't realize how much better off we all are for having had Barack Obama as president. StevieM Mar 2016 #100
You survived an alert 1-6 Nuclear Unicorn Mar 2016 #104
Yes flamingdem Mar 2016 #98
While I respect this poster's right to his opinion, I disagree with his OP in the strongest terms. Trust Buster Mar 2016 #99
Who are you. Some kind of troll for the GOP? You are deeply naive and ignorant. YOHABLO Mar 2016 #101
I wrote a respectful post. Sorry to see that you could not find it within yourself to respond Trust Buster Mar 2016 #106
Respectful? Fronkonsteen Mar 2016 #141
Many of us are done providing welfare for the MIC and tax dodging, economy wrecking corporations nc4bo Mar 2016 #133
And let's not forget the media blackout Lorien Mar 2016 #105
bernie campaign next phase: WELCOME/CONVINCE SOFT-HILLARY VOTERS! veronique25 Mar 2016 #107
I have a lot of respect for you for writing this. seattleite Mar 2016 #109
I appreciate what you said about Bernie senz Mar 2016 #110
This is much appreciated. This is the thing about Bernie, it's not about him, cui bono Mar 2016 #115
K&R cyberswede Mar 2016 #116
He talks a good line but all that glitters isn't gold. nt ucrdem Mar 2016 #117
My view is similar to yours. I think both Sanders and Clinton lovemydog Mar 2016 #118
This Revolt Has Been Building For Years - The DWS, DNC, DLC, Third-Way Has Only Themselves To Blame cantbeserious Mar 2016 #119
Short-sighted Hillary and Dem Party jpb33 Mar 2016 #120
True, the party itself has become very arogant AgingAmerican Mar 2016 #123
Thank you for that. Betty Karlson Mar 2016 #122
I can't speak for everyone deacon_sephiroth Mar 2016 #126
Indeed. He is a once in a lifetime candidate. coyote Mar 2016 #137
I hope you also concluded that for Trump nadinbrzezinski Mar 2016 #128
"First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win." Mahatma Gandhi Javaman Mar 2016 #131
Bernie has become the soul of the Democratic party. avaistheone1 Mar 2016 #136
Well done. This is important. 21st Century Poet Mar 2016 #138
+1 deutsey Mar 2016 #147
 

villager

(26,001 posts)
1. Hopefully discussions on both sides of the Demo fence can start turning in this direction....
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 04:26 PM
Mar 2016

If we want the party to mean something, on its own merits, in addition to simply slowing the plunge into the abyss, it's a discussion we'll all have to have...

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
10. I don't see much hope. The Party has split with those that side with the ruling Oligarchy
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 04:42 PM
Mar 2016

not about to move progressive. The Elite leadership of the Democratic Party has been co-opted by the Oligarchy. They have the resources so why not. They can't rely on the Republicon Party anymore so they bought the leadership of our party. We are witnessing a civil war in our party that will get much worse before it gets better. Those on the progressive side have stay quiet too long and now with an honest candidate, I don't think they will back down. No more "sit down and shut up" for us.

passiveporcupine

(8,175 posts)
40. I have to say I agree with you
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 05:27 PM
Mar 2016

The party split is based on something the establishment side refuses to give up, and that is money.

We have to get the money out of politics and the only one saying he will help us do that is Bernie.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
44. I've asked why Democrats support a candidate that is obviously controlled by Big Money and
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 05:36 PM
Mar 2016

can't get Clinton supporters to respond other than to tell me to stop attacking them. Go if I have to guess, they either are willing to put on hold the Democratic principles that put the 99% above the 1% or they never actually believed that principle.

pangaia

(24,324 posts)
50. Perhaps it is because ALL other political candidates,
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 05:42 PM
Mar 2016

or most of them, are supported by 'BIG MONEY" of one kind or another.
So they just don't notice it. It is what politicians do, after all.

Bernie is so different he just probably seems.... wacko to them.

Downwinder

(12,869 posts)
73. My local State Representative (R) gets donations
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 06:37 PM
Mar 2016

from "K" Street lobbyists. A Democrat Candidate can't get support from the State party.

 

Plucketeer

(12,882 posts)
66. I think...
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 06:17 PM
Mar 2016

it's part "LA-LA-LA-LA - I can't HEAR YOU! We're going to have a WOMAN in the White House, god dammit!" But yeah. The DETERMINED, DELIBERATE deafness as to who's paying for so many politicians is mind-boggling.

 

litlbilly

(2,227 posts)
54. anyone who watched msnbc last night could easily see that. Their facial expressions told the
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 05:50 PM
Mar 2016

real story.

Jackie Wilson Said

(4,176 posts)
78. What exactly does "no more sit down and shut up for us" mean if Hillary is the nominee?
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 06:50 PM
Mar 2016

Just wondering, in all sincerity.

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
84. Means many of us Democrats will vote for all the Democrats on our ballots but not
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 07:05 PM
Mar 2016

for Hillary.

For me, considering all the money she has taken from the oligarchs during and prior to this campaign, a silent protest against her corruption.

Read this article:

http://www.salon.com/2016/03/09/it_should_be_over_for_hillary_party_elites_and_msnbc_cant_prop_her_up_after_bernies_michigan_miracle/

It says what needs to be said.

I agree with it, and so do many other Democrats.

sammythecat

(3,568 posts)
114. Very interesting article and
Thu Mar 10, 2016, 12:11 AM
Mar 2016

it had some dismaying facts about the President that I didn't know about. Very dismaying.

I feel Bernie Sanders is a unique, once in a lifetime chance and if we blow it, well...I just don't know. I really don't, but I know I'm not voting for Hillary. Like you said, I'll vote for every other Democrat and write in Bernie's name if it should come to that. God help us if it does.

Response to sammythecat (Reply #114)

gordyfl

(598 posts)
132. As I Watched Last Night Debate
Thu Mar 10, 2016, 09:40 AM
Mar 2016

there were several moments listening to Hillary that I said to myself "She's not worth my vote". (Sigh...)

DocMac

(1,628 posts)
87. Maybe it means that many Dems
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 07:09 PM
Mar 2016

won't stand for more corporate dems and dumb ass policies that don't even make sense? I know my patience is just about ready for an oil change.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
90. We continue to fight on. Work on progressive congress-critters. Work on getting Sen Warren
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 07:13 PM
Mar 2016

to run in 2020. The People's Movement has momentum and we must continue pushing forward. The Oligarchy (like Rahm) would like us to "sit down and shut up."

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
111. A vote for Clinton is a vote for the status quo.
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 10:07 PM
Mar 2016

Clinton's goal is to amass as much money and power as she can. I guess some think that's admirable.

Nitram

(22,671 posts)
135. There you go again Rhett.
Thu Mar 10, 2016, 10:41 AM
Mar 2016

the OP suggests toning down the Rhettoric a little and spending more time on issues and policies. Irony a little?

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
145. Been there done that. I have posted many, many OPs on issues only to get derision from
Thu Mar 10, 2016, 11:55 AM
Mar 2016

the Clinton side. They won't speak to issues and who can blame them when their candidate changes her position on a regular basis. Where does she stand today on fracking or the TPP or on the growing wealth gap?

We are in a war for our Democratic party, the Progressive Wing with Sen Sanders and Sen Warren representing the People while the Conservative Wing with Clinton representing Goldman-Sachs and the rich and super-rich.

You want to speak to issues, I am always available, just start an OP. How about Prisons For Profits?

 

anothergreenbus

(110 posts)
143. I have a naive hope
Thu Mar 10, 2016, 11:42 AM
Mar 2016

that the establishment Dems will actually read the writing on the wall and make moves to check the further destruction of our country. And make it real, not just focus group tested pandering like what we are hearing. I know it's a vain hope but it would be so much more reasonable than fighting in the streets.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
146. They failed us in 2000 and are doing the same in 2016. You seem to assume that
Thu Mar 10, 2016, 11:59 AM
Mar 2016

they care about the Party. The Elite Leadership works for the Oligarchy and there only concern is to keep conservatives in the WH. In 2000 they didn't listen to the grass-roots and ran the DLC candidate Al Gore. Ignoring that base was tired of the pseudo-Democratic policies of Clinton/Gore.

In other words they won't read the writing on the wall because what is happening is what they want. Clinton or nothing.

MisterP

(23,730 posts)
22. both factions don't want the party to mean something, stand for something, and have characteristics
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 05:06 PM
Mar 2016

other than "it's called the Democrats"

 

villager

(26,001 posts)
24. One wonders if America, over the next 10 or so years, will be getting new parties?
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 05:08 PM
Mar 2016

Including among the nihilists on the yonder side who describe themselves as "conservative....?"

 

Maedhros

(10,007 posts)
28. I see abundant nihilism on the part of the Democrats as well.
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 05:15 PM
Mar 2016

Many believe that nothing can stop our slide from Republic to Empire, and all we can hope to do is to slightly impede the march to fascist dystopia while we wait for the jackbooted stormtroopers to kick in our doors. They have absolutely no hope for turning things around.

That's why I find Bernie Sanders inspiring. He's not giving up or giving in!

Volaris

(10,260 posts)
124. We've already reached the empire stage.
Thu Mar 10, 2016, 04:41 AM
Mar 2016

This about seeing if we can stave off or prevent the collapse (not sure it's ever been intentionally attempted before by a body politic).

Volaris

(10,260 posts)
149. Not sure I understand. If sarcasm and I'm missing it
Fri Mar 11, 2016, 02:38 AM
Mar 2016

it surely is my fault and not yours, its been quite a long workweek.

Our journey into running a worldwide economic and military hegemony has been existant since at least the end of WWI;
if youre looking for examples of Empires that successfully transitioned AWAY from their own collapse Im not actully sure there ARE any...

Just looking for clarification

Peace, Love, and Go, Bernie, Go!.

 

Maedhros

(10,007 posts)
150. I have a friend that says that exact thing: "we can only try to slow the collapse"
Fri Mar 11, 2016, 03:59 AM
Mar 2016

as his excuse for condoning a lot of the horrible things done by Democrats (e.g. Libya). He's very cynical and nihilistic, and uses this canard every time I say that we've got to hold our elected Democrats accountable for betraying liberal ideals.

Didn't mean to snap - that particular phrase hits a raw nerve.

tazkcmo

(7,286 posts)
127. Good luck with that.
Thu Mar 10, 2016, 08:55 AM
Mar 2016

The Democratic party is about to go on a diet and shed a couple million members. Minimum.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
3. Thanks man.
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 04:26 PM
Mar 2016

You've never been overly nasty about Bernie or his supporters so no worries. I know you have good reasons to support your candidate too.


Kalidurga

(14,177 posts)
5. Well I am going to be working with Hillary supporters
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 04:27 PM
Mar 2016

and we do have to find some common ground. I believe it is there. It gets lost in the bickering a lot of times though.

Blus4u

(608 posts)
6. I for one, appreciate what you said here.
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 04:30 PM
Mar 2016

I will admit I kept looking for the sarcastic finish, and it never came.

Peace

 

Vattel

(9,289 posts)
7. Your brains and honesty make you a standout among DU Hillary supporters.
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 04:31 PM
Mar 2016

--Wait, did that sound insulting to the average DU Hillary supporter? Dang, and here I was trying to be all unifying and shit.

 

giftedgirl77

(4,713 posts)
134. That's ok, it's probably still better than being an over paranoid
Thu Mar 10, 2016, 10:12 AM
Mar 2016

nutbag that thinks the entire corporate world is out to get them.

TTUBatfan2008

(3,623 posts)
8. Great post.
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 04:31 PM
Mar 2016

Someone said on CNN last night he won't win, but his message is possibly the future of the Democratic Party years down the road.

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
86. He will win!
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 07:08 PM
Mar 2016

The race is just starting.

Kansas, Oklahoma. The West is yet to be won. And Bernie will take it by storm.

Hillary has the South. Most of the states have not voted for a Democrat since 1976. A few voted for Clinton in 1992 and 1996. I'm overgeneralizing, but it is a fact. When is the last time Texas voted for a Democrat?

http://www.270towin.com/historical-presidential-elections/

Ah, yes, Texas -- voted Democratic for the last time in 1968.

Oh, and there are Alabama and Mississippi. Last voted for a Democrat in 1976.

Hillary won the Republican states. What an achievement.

Good luck in November on that record.

Bernie even won in Nebraska. Nebraska has not voted for a Democrat since 1964, so it isn't more likely to vote for a Democrat this year than are Hillary's Southern states.

So far, the only Northern state that Hillary has won is Massachusetts and that she won only by 1%.

Even in Michigan, Bernie won more than by 1%.

Bernie has the momentum. Even if he does not win all the Midwestern states, he still has the momentum, especially in states that are more liberal including those that have legalized marijuana. And we are big states and our votes count.

VulgarPoet

(2,872 posts)
142. Yep, it occurred to me that Texas is still firmly entrenched red.
Thu Mar 10, 2016, 11:22 AM
Mar 2016

So yeah, not a swing state; I can and will vote for Bernie, and the electoral college will do what it will.

one_voice

(20,043 posts)
11. I've never said a bad word about Bernie or his
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 04:42 PM
Mar 2016

campaign. Quite the opposite in fact, I've only posted positive things.

However, being able to voice an opinion, observation, or even ask a question about him is a whole 'nother thing--and it's nothing nice.

DU used to be my place to discuss politics. Not anymore. You cannot even ask a question here without being bombarded with accusations.

Congrats to Bernie on his win last night, he did a good job in Michigan.

My primary is in April, I hope I have decided who I'm voting for by then.

vdogg

(1,384 posts)
92. Yup
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 07:18 PM
Mar 2016

Bernie supporters think we're evil incarnate for supporting Hillary. So long as they do, there will never be common ground.

EvolveOrConvolve

(6,452 posts)
113. You can't complain about there never being a common ground when you
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 10:21 PM
Mar 2016

incorrectly and dishonestly argue that Bernie supporters consider Hillary supporters "evil incarnate". It's silly for you to say that - Bernie supporters don't think you're evil, they think you're wrong.

If you're truly looking to find common ground, the childish and insulting remarks aren't a good way to go about it.

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
13. You touch something that is my main fear if Clinton wins
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 04:49 PM
Mar 2016
I mean, honestly, to win what he has won without party backing and almost solely on the donations of people tells me that the Democratic Party has a lot of deep thinking it needs to do when the primaries finish up. And the party powers-that-be better take that very, very seriously.

I don't think they will unless Clinton loses. Instead, it will be treated as an anomaly. Which will result in more 2014-style losses that do us massive damage.

There is something extremely powerful that the party could use. And I don't think the leadership wants to.
 

artislife

(9,497 posts)
18. This part of his OP and your thoughts were in my mind
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 05:01 PM
Mar 2016

Everything is being examined now and will be tossed if no longer useful. I see this all around, so politics is now imitating life. We have to stop meanduring and get focused. There is so much to do and our timeline is short.

 

Marr

(20,317 posts)
46. If Hillary wins, they'll treat voter discontent as irrelevant;
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 05:38 PM
Mar 2016

something that super delegates and party machinery can overcome.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
49. The Party leadership is owned lock, stock and barrel by the Oligarchy and won't re-thinking anything
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 05:41 PM
Mar 2016

The Oligarchy (Goldman-Sachs) said himself that they (the oligarchy) would settle for Clinton or a Republicon. The Party Elite will never budge unless we replace them with honest progressives.

mindwalker_i

(4,407 posts)
14. Welcome to the dark side
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 04:51 PM
Mar 2016

We have cookies!

You're right in that Bernie has tapped into something the party has long neglected. Personally, I think he's going in a direction that we desperately need to go. It's time to occupy the DNC!

DemocraticWing

(1,290 posts)
15. I think he's been close for most of the campaign, but really hit the vein with a focus on jobs/trade
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 04:52 PM
Mar 2016

Talking about the 1% and Wall Street gets people riled up, but there are certain constituencies that get even more passionate and motivated when you bring up jobs getting sent overseas. It's a bread and butter populist issue that Bernie probably can't emphasize enough in places like Michigan, Ohio, etc.

Don't know if it will have nationwide appeal, but the more he tailors his message to areas with different flavors of a populist streak, the more effective it will be.

And that's me talking from just a strategy standpoint. As a Bernie supporter, I'm beyond thrilled he's pulled off something. I was getting worried that it was over.

KoKo

(84,711 posts)
16. Nice Post..!
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 04:57 PM
Mar 2016


There is no longer any reason to treat him like a fringe candidate or an anomaly. After last night, it is clear, win or lose, Bernie has tapped into an ethos that the party has long neglected, and that, in and of itself, is enough to compliment him on what he's done.

I mean, honestly, to win what he has won without party backing and almost solely on the donations of people tells me that the Democratic Party has a lot of deep thinking it needs to do when the primaries finish up. And the party powers-that-be better take that very, very seriously.

So, good for Bernie. He has made waves this primary season. And, unlike Trump, his waves have been constructive, positive and affirmative (As opposed to destructive, xenophobic and narcissistic.).

pat_k

(9,313 posts)
19. Great to hear!
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 05:05 PM
Mar 2016

Hope the sentiment is widespread. It would be great to see more of by fellow Bernie supporters dropping out of the disparaging club too!

 

truebluegreen

(9,033 posts)
25. I just hope that IF Hillary wins the nomination
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 05:08 PM
Mar 2016

she is not so egotistical to realize she did it on the strength of her positions, as opposed to name recognition, party backing, big donors, etc. She too will need to do some deep thinking; I just hope she will, and will act on it.

 

Flying Squirrel

(3,041 posts)
26. See, now if posts from ignored DUers didn't show up in "Trending Now"...
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 05:08 PM
Mar 2016

I wouldn't know that I should take you off my IL!

(I hate having to ignore so many DUers, and I look forward to the day I can go back to seeing most of their posts again!)

MuseRider

(34,058 posts)
27. Thank you for saying this.
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 05:12 PM
Mar 2016

I knew there was a reason I had not put you on ignore. I wanted to a couple of times but always held back. Thank you for saying this. Congratulations on the big win in Mississippi. 😊

jcgoldie

(11,584 posts)
29. Its funny
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 05:15 PM
Mar 2016

I'm a Bernie Sanders fan even though I don't think he's the best candidate and don't intend to vote for him in the Illinois primary... my wife does btw. And yet I find myself involved in the tit for tat you mention sucked in by the increasingly ridiculous claims I read about Clinton here. I really have very little criticism of Sanders who I'll be happy to vote for were he to somehow win the nomination. I understand it I suppose when you support the underdog you have to tear down the favorite. It would do my blood pressure a lot of good to ignore the banter here until the nominee is set I suppose...

Gothmog

(143,999 posts)
32. I have always like Sanders and many of his positions
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 05:17 PM
Mar 2016

I firmly believe that Sanders is a good man and I like many of his positions. However electability and control of the SCOTUS are two of my top issues and I will still be supporting Hillary Clinton.

ibegurpard

(16,685 posts)
34. you are absolutely correct
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 05:21 PM
Mar 2016

And much respect for your ability to remain fairly even handed throughout this.

bvar22

(39,909 posts)
38. Excellent post, very thoughtful and thought provoking.
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 05:24 PM
Mar 2016

"the Democratic Party has a lot of deep thinking it needs to do"

I agree, but believe that all that deep thinking will never beat out multi-million dollar "donations" from Wall Street, the Koch Brothers, the MIC, and other giant Corporations.

If we want change, we will have to do it ourselves by voting for people like Bernie.

valerief

(53,235 posts)
39. You know, you can always feel the bern; you don't have to just watch the bern.
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 05:26 PM
Mar 2016

It may take getting banned from the Hillary Group, but, hey, who isn't banned from there these days?

Granted, Hillary is the best of the bunch for "business as usual," but BAU isn't cutting the mustard for the 99% in the U.S. Or the rest of the world, either.

Godhumor

(6,437 posts)
41. I'll happily vote for Bernie if he wins the nomination, but
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 05:30 PM
Mar 2016

Hillary was my candidate in 2008 and will continue to be my candidate.

The difference is that I am a lot more at peace with Bernie staying in the race and viable through to the convention than I was 2 days ago.

Raster

(20,996 posts)
43. Classy, reasonable and well put.
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 05:34 PM
Mar 2016

Thank you! Bernie has really tapped into something that we all as Democrats need to be cognizant of. Personally, I am thrilled to death at all the younger people actually taking the time to get involved.

hootinholler

(26,449 posts)
48. Be careful, you'll get blocked from the HRC group for talk like that.
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 05:40 PM
Mar 2016

Thank you and I will remind you it's not too late to join us on the light side.

As to waves, I'm waiting for the Bernami which should get here late march and early april.

 

fun n serious

(4,451 posts)
55. I don't think that's true..
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 05:50 PM
Mar 2016

We HRC supporters have been light on Bernie for a reason. We always vote blue in the end. We're party loyalist. We're Obama Democrats...

Godhumor

(6,437 posts)
56. I think they're being facetious, at least I hope so
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 05:51 PM
Mar 2016

Certainly, I don't have any plans on being blocked from my candidate's safe group.

joshcryer

(62,265 posts)
80. Could you unblock me from the Sanders group?
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 06:55 PM
Mar 2016

I disavowed gmoles for calling out Cha in a very nasty way, and believe it was in error. There are some ethical lines I won't cross. I don't think I should've been blocked.

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
102. I don't believe in blocking people. I don't believe in the private groups.
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 07:45 PM
Mar 2016

And I don't see why anyone should be blocked from DU unless they are really awfully disruptive.

Just hope you get me on a jury if your posts are ever brought to one.

I have voted to remove posts -- but as rarely as possible.

What is the good of having a discussion forum if discussion is prohibited by banning people from this or that part of the forum?

I don't understand that.

Trolls? I can see banning them. But not non-trolls. And trolls are easy to spot.

Dem2

(8,166 posts)
51. Excellent post
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 05:43 PM
Mar 2016

The 2 sides ragging on each other for no particular reason, other than the 'rivalry' thing is not productive IMO.

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
103. It isn't about rivalry. It is about honest government.
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 07:51 PM
Mar 2016

Hillary has been given millions and millions of dollars for speeches alone by interests that represent the oligarchs.

That's dirty money in politics. You cannot have good government when that dirty money is what decides who does and does not get elected.

Hillary is a nice lady.

I disagree with her on issues, but if it weren't for her corruption (and when you take that much money, you are by definition corrupt or at least making yourself susceptible to the perception of great corruption), I'd vote for her as the lesser of two evils.

But I cannot do that because of the corruption issue.

I will vote for all the other Democrats on my ballot, especially my congressional representative. But I cannot in good conscience vote for Hillary. Absolutely not.

I have seen enough of what that kind of corruption does to what is supposed to be our democracy. I've had enough of it.

As Bernie says, "Enough is enough."

I am a woman and 72 years old, and I would so like to have a woman as our president. But not Hillary.

And not the hippopotamus either. (Reference to a book I read to my baby granddaughter. And I mention it because I do not like Hillary's weak stances on the environment.)

http://www.salon.com/2016/03/09/it_should_be_over_for_hillary_party_elites_and_msnbc_cant_prop_her_up_after_bernies_michigan_miracle/

Dem2

(8,166 posts)
108. I like Bernie and Hillary both
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 09:26 PM
Mar 2016

Last edited Wed Mar 9, 2016, 09:59 PM - Edit history (1)

I won't attack either as nobody here doesn't know the weaknesses of either candidate. To assume anybody here is naive is an insult to my intelligence and most others here who are political junkies.

I won't do it.

This new standard for corruption is a goal that I'm 100% behind. But it's also extremely arrogant to suddenly expect Hillary to meet a new standard in funding, thus handing an extreme advantage to her opponent. Hillary didn't make it this far being that gullible. To then see many here use the 25 years in the making Republican attacks against her is beyond the pale.

To then say you won't vote for who's likely going to be the Democratic nominee based on some freshly created purity test and, well, you've completely lost me.

ConsiderThis_2016

(274 posts)
62. "There is no longer any reason to treat him like a fringe candidate or an anomaly"
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 06:10 PM
Mar 2016

Bernie has not changed, so what's up?

 

WhiteHat

(129 posts)
63. It's easy to think Clinton would win the convention cycle, but she's not going to
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 06:10 PM
Mar 2016

Here's the deal:

Michigan had an extraordinarily huge turnout.

In states that haven't gone to extraordinary efforts to suppress the vote, Bernie wins. Michigan didn't have time to get around to suppressing voters yet. It was on the agenda, but the GOP was surprised with other issues to deal with first.

In states that haven't suppressed the youth vote, Bernie wins. It remains to be seen if Pennsylvania manages to deprive college voters of their legal rights, but if the GOP leadership fails to do so PA is a huge win for Bernie.

In states with "automatic voter registration" (i.e., California and Oregon), Bernie wins in a devastating landslide.

In states that don't suffer too much from GOP gerrymandering, Bernie edges out Clinton. Ahem. You can't include Louisiana or Mississipi. Both states have been "carefully managing" the vote for decades.

In states that at least don't artificially suppress the youth vote, Bernie wins. It's why Bernie's campaign is suing Ohio for its exclusion of 18-to-be voters. That's 85% of tens of thousands of voters. 85 friggin percent of that demographic!

When the convention cycle hits the the west coast, Hillary is done for. You wanna bet on Hillary? I kinda want to. She's kinda/sorta the sort-of leftist I kinda-wanta support. If only she did'nt represent everything disgusting about American politics today. But hey. If it has to be Hillary v Trump, it's a no-brainer.



hibbing

(10,076 posts)
67. Nebraska
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 06:21 PM
Mar 2016

It certainly was interesting participating in the Nebraska caucus and seeing so many people supporting a SOCIALIST! Haha, never thought I'd see the day.


Peace

69. "The Elite leadership of the Democratic Party has been co-opted by the Oligarchy" .. so much for
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 06:32 PM
Mar 2016

dispensing with tendentious disparagement of the other camp! LOL!

IF the "elite leadership" and by implication, the HRC campaign, has been "co-opted by the Oligarchy" why have the Republicans paid for HRC Attack ads to help Berine's campaign? IF HRC is a pawn of the 'oligarchy' why would they be trying to kill her nomination so they can get to Bernie?

Republican Operatives Try to Help Bernie Sanders
http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2016-01-19/republican-operatives-are-trying-to-help-bernie-sanders


Republican operatives are having a strange crush on Bernie Sanders.
During Sunday night’s Democratic debate, the Republican National Committee made the unusual move of sending no fewer than four real-time e-mails to reporters defending the self-described democratic socialist from attacks by Hillary Clinton or echoing his message against her. Based on their content, one could be forgiven for thinking the RNC communiques came from the Sanders campaign.

One RNC e-mail, which was titled “Clinton’s Misleading Health Care Attack,” defended the Vermont senator from what it described as “the Clinton campaign’s inaccurate remarks on Sanders’ single-payer plan,” and quoted news articles that featured rebuttals of her arguments. A second message countered Clinton’s attacks on Sanders over gun control by pointing out her gun-friendly statements in the past. Two other e-mails sought to bolster Sanders’ case that Clinton is too close to Wall Street and the drug industry.

Sean Spicer, the chief strategist and spokesman for the RNC, spent much of the evening tweeting Sanders-friendly commentary on the debate, often with the pro-Sanders hashtag #FeelTheBern. At one point, Spicer gently chided Sanders for what he deemed a poor response to a question and added, “come on we are trying to help u.”

After the debate, the Republican political action committee America Rising promoted the narrative that Sanders won the debate. “Clinton needed a win last night. Instead, everyone is talking about how well Bernie Sanders, her chief rival, did,” spokesman Jeff Bechdel wrote to reporters.

[font size="3"]Meanwhile, American Crossroads, a group co-founded by Karl Rove, is airing an ad in Iowa bolstering a core tenet of Sanders’s case against Clinton: that she has received large sums of campaign contributions from Wall Street, and therefore can't be trusted to crack down on big banks. “Hillary rewarded Wall Street with a $700 billion bailout, then Wall Street made her a multi-millionaire,” a narrator in the ad says. “Does Iowa really want Wall Street in the White House?”[/font]
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lunatica

(53,410 posts)
72. Bernie is a real Progressive with good ideas
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 06:36 PM
Mar 2016

I hope our country can move forward in a Progressive way that benefits all it's citizens, not just the 1% and the planet, including its population.

Once you start thinking of the possibilities you might find yourself wanting to turn away from the middle and from business as usual and what that means for both parties. Do we really want to continue living with the trends of the last 30 or 40 years?

I know I don't. I'm sick of the ball being tossed back and forth between the parties with everything staying basically the same.

Jopin Klobe

(779 posts)
75. "So, good for Bernie. He has made waves this primary season."
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 06:43 PM
Mar 2016

... what, now, "Run along and play ... you've done your job."? ...

... I wouldn't be so dismissive of someone who just might save the "Democratic" party ... if it's necessary ...

... and who is going to be the next President of the United States ...

angrychair

(8,593 posts)
76. Thank you
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 06:44 PM
Mar 2016

It is truly appreciated. I hope we can all move forward with at least that type of perspective regarding Sanders' campaign.

Orsino

(37,428 posts)
77. That's the essence of Sanders' campaign, right there.
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 06:49 PM
Mar 2016

If he/we can force some of this fairy dust onto the Clinton campaign, we're golden.

noretreatnosurrender

(1,890 posts)
79. Thank you but...
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 06:51 PM
Mar 2016
There is no longer any reason to treat him like a fringe candidate or an anomaly.


There never was a reason (a real one at any rate) to treat him and supporters like he was a fringe candidate.

Godhumor

(6,437 posts)
95. It took time to prove it, in my opinion
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 07:21 PM
Mar 2016

But he proved it, for good, in Michigan.

And probably a better word than fringe would have been Insurgent.

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
81. Good for Bernie. It's Hillary's corruption that is the problem.
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 07:00 PM
Mar 2016

And there is no way she can put that behind her.

Thank you for acknowledging what a superior candidate Bernie really is.

I can't wait until he is in the White House.

And if he is not the nominee, there is no way I will vote for Hillary. I will vote for all other Democrats on my ballot. No need to worry about that. But not for Hillary. Never.

Thanks for your praise of Bernie. He will pick up where Obama leaves off.

I hope that you have read this.

http://www.salon.com/2016/03/09/it_should_be_over_for_hillary_party_elites_and_msnbc_cant_prop_her_up_after_bernies_michigan_miracle/

BuddhaGirl

(3,586 posts)
89. I care deeply about what happens to this country
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 07:13 PM
Mar 2016

And I will vote for whoever the Democratic nominee is. Not voting for Clinton if she's the nominee is a vote for whoever the Republican is.

Even though Bernie disagrees with Hillary on many issues, he has said, "On our worst days, I think it is fair to say, we are 100 times better than any Republican candidate," Sanders said.

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
94. I'm in California. If Hillary gets the nomination (God forbid because she is weak on the
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 07:20 PM
Mar 2016

environment.) and can't win California without me, she has a bigger problem than the loss of my vote.

I am voting my conscience this year.

I am so sick of the corruption.

The big money, the oligarchs' money in our politics prevents really good people from running for office. It doesn't just buy privileges for the elites. It keeps good people from running. That's what is so awful about it.

Response to Godhumor (Original post)

StevieM

(10,499 posts)
100. I'm sorry you don't realize how much better off we all are for having had Barack Obama as president.
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 07:36 PM
Mar 2016

He passed comprehensive health care reform, he raised taxes on the wealthy, he rescued the economy from an imminent disaster and he appointed two fabulous Supreme Court Justices.

If we win this election we will secure the Supreme Court for the next generation.

Nuclear Unicorn

(19,497 posts)
104. You survived an alert 1-6
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 07:56 PM
Mar 2016
On Wed Mar 9, 2016, 06:39 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

I'll never return to the oligarch/Democrat party.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1456763

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

TOS violation. Disparaging Democrats on the DU. If this poster feels this way about our party he should post somewhere else. READ DU TOS.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Wed Mar 9, 2016, 06:47 PM, and the Jury voted 1-6 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: The poster has oversimplified a concept that was apparently beyond their intellectual reach. But, that is no reason to hide the post. I do wish Bernie Sanders was not weighed down by this type of supporter. But, you can't choose who supports you.
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
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Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Just voicing the frustration that a lot of "Dems" feel right now
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Is it just me or does it seem confused that people getting upset by you saying you don't want to be around them demand, as remediation, that you not be around them?
 

Trust Buster

(7,299 posts)
99. While I respect this poster's right to his opinion, I disagree with his OP in the strongest terms.
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 07:34 PM
Mar 2016

Sanders is NOT a Democrat. Sanders is an Independent Senator who enjoyed the independence to vote without the internal responsibilities that come with party affiliation. At the age of seventy four, Sanders decided that he wanted to go out with a bang. To do that, Sanders needed the infrastructure of the Denocratic Party. So he travels from college campus to college campus and lures young voters with promises of trillions of dollars in new entitlements. He does this, mind you, with the full understanding that a Republican-controlled House will not allow those new entitlements see the light of day in the next presidency. He does so knowing that the Supreme Court hangs in the balance. And to think it's the Sanders' supporters who label Hillary as the"untrustworthy" one. Right.

The DNC must tighten it's rules going forward so that future Trojan horses cannot use our Party's infrastructure to walk into the front door, disingenuously dangle trillions of new entitlements at our base to fill up his Socialist bus just to have Sanders jump behind the wheel and drive that bus off the farthest cliff on the Left. If Sanders and his supporters wish to start a Socialist Party, then I offer you my respect and wish you Godspeed. But, you will NOT be turning my Party into a Socialist playground. Good day.

 

Trust Buster

(7,299 posts)
106. I wrote a respectful post. Sorry to see that you could not find it within yourself to respond
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 08:39 PM
Mar 2016

in kind. But that's alright.

nc4bo

(17,651 posts)
133. Many of us are done providing welfare for the MIC and tax dodging, economy wrecking corporations
Thu Mar 10, 2016, 09:45 AM
Mar 2016

Billionaires and slimy banking systems and their politicians.

Time, past time to turn that mess around and put citizens' interests FIRST.

The Democratic Party is only a few minutes behind the Republican Party in the implosion game. The signs are obvious. Quit tending that one tree and take a look at the dying forest surrounding it!

The soil is no longer fertile.

Lorien

(31,935 posts)
105. And let's not forget the media blackout
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 08:29 PM
Mar 2016

Today it was wall to wall Trump and Hillary coverage, as if Bernie's Michigan victory never happened. The MSM is completely irrelevant now.

 

veronique25

(74 posts)
107. bernie campaign next phase: WELCOME/CONVINCE SOFT-HILLARY VOTERS!
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 09:20 PM
Mar 2016

Attn: Hillary voters!

We welcome you!

Come on over!

Win or lose, Bernie rules!

"The agony of democracy is persuading people to vote for their best interests."
-- Thomas Jefferson


 

senz

(11,945 posts)
110. I appreciate what you said about Bernie
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 09:39 PM
Mar 2016

but still am not sure I can trust you.

Guess it'll just take time.

cui bono

(19,926 posts)
115. This is much appreciated. This is the thing about Bernie, it's not about him,
Thu Mar 10, 2016, 12:22 AM
Mar 2016

it's about where we are as a country, it's about how we are as a people. Win or lose, he's already won because he got his message out and he gave a voice to the people. He has given us all hope. And the reaction of the MSM and the Dem leadership has shone a light on what a big problem we really have with corporate control of our country.

It's a big win for the people of the US that he entered the race and opened up the conversation he has.

.

lovemydog

(11,833 posts)
118. My view is similar to yours. I think both Sanders and Clinton
Thu Mar 10, 2016, 12:32 AM
Mar 2016

are good candidates. Not exceptional like Obama, but I didn't expect that this time around. I think we only get someone at the federal level as exceptional as President Obama once a generation.

My hope is that out of these campaigns we get many many more progressives who are exceptional and they run for and win at every level of state and local and eventually presidential levels.

cantbeserious

(13,039 posts)
119. This Revolt Has Been Building For Years - The DWS, DNC, DLC, Third-Way Has Only Themselves To Blame
Thu Mar 10, 2016, 02:15 AM
Mar 2016

eom

jpb33

(141 posts)
120. Short-sighted Hillary and Dem Party
Thu Mar 10, 2016, 02:59 AM
Mar 2016

The only way the Dem party changes is if Bernie wins. If HRC wins the party will just disregard his ideas and those who he has brought into the party. Today's Dem party along with HRC are short-sighted, they only care about the short term. Why do you think she attacks him with lies and misinformation. She does not think about the fact that if she wins she will need Bernie supporters to win the general election. Again short-sightedness is her doom and the Dem parties doom.

deacon_sephiroth

(731 posts)
126. I can't speak for everyone
Thu Mar 10, 2016, 08:14 AM
Mar 2016

"...the Democratic Party has a lot of deep thinking it needs to do when the primaries finish up. And the party powers-that-be better take that very, very seriously."

Personally, I don't believe that either. I've only been paying attention for 20 years now but in my experience if Bernie doesn't win the powers that be will try to bury the whole thing as they've done since day 1 moment 1, and the only thinking that will be done is how to FAKE that same enthusiasm for next time. He will be emulated in speech and never in action.

There is no liberal super soldier program trying to make Bernies and there will not be. There will be a marketing program trying to make Bernie colored makeup.

This is why I am so adamant that Bernie must win because he's the real deal and always has been, he's a 1 in a million.

 

coyote

(1,561 posts)
137. Indeed. He is a once in a lifetime candidate.
Thu Mar 10, 2016, 10:55 AM
Mar 2016

There will always be a Clinton like candidates after him, but certainly no Bernie Sanders.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
128. I hope you also concluded that for Trump
Thu Mar 10, 2016, 08:57 AM
Mar 2016

I have been taking both dead serious since they launched. Ok Trump took me a week

Javaman

(62,439 posts)
131. "First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win." Mahatma Gandhi
Thu Mar 10, 2016, 09:30 AM
Mar 2016

just sayin'...

21st Century Poet

(254 posts)
138. Well done. This is important.
Thu Mar 10, 2016, 11:04 AM
Mar 2016

Insurgent politicians and ideologies need to be understood not ganged upon and sidelined. The people who are more to the left are not going away so the Democratic Party needs to make peace with them and invite them into the heart of the party rather than keep them on the fringe.

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