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Pisces

(5,599 posts)
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 05:24 PM Mar 2016

Why are both of our candidates lying about outsourced jobs coming back to America??? There will be

manual labor jobs or telemarketing jobs coming back to the US for humans. Robots will be taking over most manual jobs
and some thinking jobs. I don't think any of the candidates want to touch upon this. Pres. Obama when he was running told
everyone that those manufacturing jobs were not coming back. We need to get retrained and find the jobs of the future. Green jobs
etc. There are many articles out there discussing this real threat. 35% of existing jobs will be done by robots.

I understand that people are hurting and want to hear that someone will bring back jobs. I think this is an overt lie that the
media and politicians don't want to address.

Here are some articles regarding the future.

http://money.cnn.com/2016/01/15/news/economy/smart-robots-stealing-jobs-davos/

http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2015/nov/05/robot-revolution-rise-machines-could-displace-third-of-uk-jobs

This article in particular is scary because it highlights how income disparity is likely to grow wider, not come together. No trade
deal cancellation will change the future that is looming closer than ever.

Amazon article:
http://www.roboticstrends.com/article/how_amazon_drone_delivery_will_work

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Why are both of our candidates lying about outsourced jobs coming back to America??? There will be (Original Post) Pisces Mar 2016 OP
One is lying about it. The other said he was going to walk away from all the trade agreements. Cleita Mar 2016 #1
Walking away from trade agreements is not bringing the same jobs back. The jobs are gone, never to Pisces Mar 2016 #5
Macy's and Walmart need goods to sell among others. Cleita Mar 2016 #10
We are either going to have a growing number of poor or think our way out. dogman Mar 2016 #2
UBI or BIG ( basic income guarantee) will definitely need to be implemented, but like everything in Pisces Mar 2016 #6
Neither of our candidates are lying and your numbers on the robot revolution are utter nonsense. FSogol Mar 2016 #3
That's funny, because most economist agree this is the future. Keep your head in the sand. This is Pisces Mar 2016 #7
it's important but it's not really hitting politics yet Fast Walker 52 Mar 2016 #8
Part of why I liked single payer was it Jarqui Mar 2016 #4
All we have to do is look at the law changes that caused this Waiting For Everyman Mar 2016 #9
Because telling the truth on that would be a political death sentence mythology Mar 2016 #11
Because nobody who tells the truth about the laborless future can win an election Recursion Mar 2016 #12
That's it. I'd vote for someone who told truth about it, rather than offer promises/fantasies. Hoyt Mar 2016 #15
SOME JOBS DO Come back---a trend amborin Mar 2016 #13
If there is no profit in exploiting 3rd world labor and lax regulation, those jobs will come back. DefenseLawyer Mar 2016 #14
The auto and cookie plants that have recently gone to Mexico will employ humans Armstead Mar 2016 #16
U R wrong Omaha Steve Mar 2016 #17

Cleita

(75,480 posts)
1. One is lying about it. The other said he was going to walk away from all the trade agreements.
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 05:35 PM
Mar 2016

That's how they will be brought back.

Pisces

(5,599 posts)
5. Walking away from trade agreements is not bringing the same jobs back. The jobs are gone, never to
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 06:02 PM
Mar 2016

return to humans.

Cleita

(75,480 posts)
10. Macy's and Walmart need goods to sell among others.
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 06:46 PM
Mar 2016

If we are no longer getting them from overseas we need to manufacture the goods ourselves like we used to. Making steel was one of our big job producers until trade agreements brought us Chinese steel. This is only the tip of what will come back to us once we trash the trade agreements.

dogman

(6,073 posts)
2. We are either going to have a growing number of poor or think our way out.
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 05:37 PM
Mar 2016

The idea of a UBI(Universal Basic Income) seems the most workable to me. Some countries are looking at this because of the workforce change no one has really prepared for. We'll have to get to Democratic Socialism first I think.

Pisces

(5,599 posts)
6. UBI or BIG ( basic income guarantee) will definitely need to be implemented, but like everything in
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 06:08 PM
Mar 2016

this country it won't happen until it is dire. I agree with this basic concept. I think Americans will have a major problem with this
idea. People getting something for nothing. People are scoffing at the idea that robots will take a lot of manual jobs, but we
have Amazon as a clear example of what is right around the corner.

Pisces

(5,599 posts)
7. That's funny, because most economist agree this is the future. Keep your head in the sand. This is
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 06:09 PM
Mar 2016

around the corner, not some distant syfy future.

 

Fast Walker 52

(7,723 posts)
8. it's important but it's not really hitting politics yet
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 06:15 PM
Mar 2016

It's misleading to say the candidates are lying about this

Jarqui

(10,122 posts)
4. Part of why I liked single payer was it
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 05:49 PM
Mar 2016

would help to lower labor costs and from that help to make Americans more competitive on the world job market. That would help some. But it's going to take time before that come about.

Improvement on the trade deals is not impossible and would also help some. That's going to take time.

The infrastructure plans of Bernie's will help add new jobs in America.

Bernie's thrust for renewable energy will help add some jobs - but take other jobs away from the oil industry over time.

Bernie's plans for income inequality - in part delivered by single payer, will inject more disposable income into the US economy and help generate job growth from that. I know the economist that looked at it got criticized for the accuracy of his first pass but the principles of his assumptions seem valid and Bernie's policies should help the economy overall.

There is probably more than those quick thoughts.

Waiting For Everyman

(9,385 posts)
9. All we have to do is look at the law changes that caused this
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 06:17 PM
Mar 2016

and undo them. It isn't rocket science, and it isn't mysterious.

Yes it will take time even so. But spending American money here, on American companies ONLY, plus a hefty infrastructure program would do wonders.

We need a New Deal 2.0. Most of the infrastructure we have was built then, and that is not a coincidence.

 

mythology

(9,527 posts)
11. Because telling the truth on that would be a political death sentence
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 07:03 PM
Mar 2016

People haven't come to grips with this change yet. I don't think it will be as bad as some projections, but I do think it will be more significant of a change than previous large scale changes like industrialization or the growth of agriculture.

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
12. Because nobody who tells the truth about the laborless future can win an election
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 07:05 PM
Mar 2016

So we're stuck with which lie we want to pretend to believe.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
15. That's it. I'd vote for someone who told truth about it, rather than offer promises/fantasies.
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 07:19 PM
Mar 2016
 

DefenseLawyer

(11,101 posts)
14. If there is no profit in exploiting 3rd world labor and lax regulation, those jobs will come back.
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 07:16 PM
Mar 2016

At that point the shipping and logistics costs make outsourcing more expensive than keeping a factory here. It ain't rocket science.

 

Armstead

(47,803 posts)
16. The auto and cookie plants that have recently gone to Mexico will employ humans
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 07:22 PM
Mar 2016

You have a point, and automation is a problem in terms of workers.

But rather than condoning making it worse by shipping remaining jobs out of the US, I think keeping those jobs in the US should be a priority.

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