2016 Postmortem

sus453

(164 posts) Wed Mar 9, 2016, 05:56 PM Mar 2016

Good Salon article on HRC's "inevitability"

http://www.salon.com/2016/03/08/hillarys_inevitability_lie_why_the_media_and_party_elites_are_rushing_to_nominate_the_weakest_candidate/

Why are the Democratic establishment and the corporate media so intent on nominating the weakest candidate?

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Good Salon article on HRC's "inevitability" (Original Post) sus453 Mar 2016 OP

Putting all partisanship aside and being logical, neither Hillary or Bernie are weak Jackie Wilson Said Mar 2016 #1

Better article on Salon ;) Mufaddal Mar 2016 #2

The same author - "What a difference a day makes, sus453 Mar 2016 #5

This was especially insightful: Maedhros Mar 2016 #3

Astroturfing sus453 Mar 2016 #4

I saw this first-hand working with PIRG in the 90s.[n/t] Maedhros Mar 2016 #6

Jackie Wilson Said

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1. Putting all partisanship aside and being logical, neither Hillary or Bernie are weak

Reply to sus453 (Original post)

Wed Mar 9, 2016, 06:02 PM

Mar 2016

candidates and the proof of that is their performance in this process.

They say the numbers are down compared to 2008 on the democratic side, but that makes sense, 2008 was very unique.

Well, just unique, cant be very unique, but I digress.

I am concerned that because of Trump the right is energized and not all for the same reason.

If the democratic party wants to win this election, it best do a GOTV that is unprecedented.

Mufaddal

(1,021 posts)

2. Better article on Salon ;)

Reply to sus453 (Original post)

Wed Mar 9, 2016, 06:04 PM

Mar 2016

http://www.salon.com/2016/03/09/it_should_be_over_for_hillary_party_elites_and_msnbc_cant_prop_her_up_after_bernies_michigan_miracle/

sus453

(164 posts)

5. The same author - "What a difference a day makes,

Reply to Mufaddal (Reply #2)

Wed Mar 9, 2016, 06:30 PM

Mar 2016

"twenty-four little hours . . . ."

Maedhros

(10,007 posts)

3. This was especially insightful:

Reply to sus453 (Original post)

Wed Mar 9, 2016, 06:08 PM

Mar 2016

She needed yet more help and got it from liberal lobbies that are all that remains of the great grass-roots movements that once drove all our social progress. Most are led not by grass-roots leaders but by technicians who seek money, access and career advancement and rely on the same consultants advising Clinton, Obama and a long list of corporate clients.

Progressive groups who united against Bernie have a lot more explaining to do. There was a time when many progressives observed an unwritten law against wading into primaries against friends, even for a candidate who was better on their issues, let alone for one who was palpably worse. On choice Clinton may claim more personal involvement than Sanders but on every other progressive issue, including civil rights and gay rights, Bernie beats her by a mile.

The astro-turfing of grassroots movements. Ugh.

sus453

(164 posts)

4. Astroturfing

Reply to Maedhros (Reply #3)

Wed Mar 9, 2016, 06:26 PM

Mar 2016

That is, unfortunately so true, and has probably been so since time immemorial - people involved in politics want to advance their careers, and what better way of doing it than hitching your wagon to someone running for office. But it's sad to see that dynamic in grassroots movements.

It will be interesting to see in what direction all those people will scramble if Bernie gets the nomination.

Maedhros

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6. I saw this first-hand working with PIRG in the 90s.[n/t]

Reply to sus453 (Reply #4)

Wed Mar 9, 2016, 07:03 PM

Mar 2016

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