2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumTweety's BIG FEAR 3/18/2016
Tweety, at the end of his show, expressed his ultimate nightmare fear that Clinton will win the election and be embroiled in all the scandals old and new, and Congress will be more obstructed than it is now. He said (and the panel agreed) that we have no government, and NEED a government that functions. And we won't have a functioning government with the gridlock that would accompany Hillary.
That's pretty perceptive for Tweety, who is a Hillary cheerleader.
hollysmom
(5,946 posts)I knew it last year. That is why the most electable my not be no matter who the running enemy is 20 + years of indoctrination and repeated accusations makes fiction fact for many. and then there are the factual ones, sigh.
Solid Snake1
(95 posts)Somehow Sanders will magically get congress to work with him?
grasswire
(50,130 posts)He has no baggage. Not even any luggage.
panader0
(25,816 posts)You raised an interesting point.
Go Bernie.
P.S.: HRC has a freight train of baggage.
grasswire
(50,130 posts)Hillary with a whole train of baggage cars, with stuff hanging out everywhere, bungee cords, ropes to hold it all on. Bernie with one small valise, with a spare shirt and tie hanging out. Or maybe just a fanny pack.
Because praising Fidel Castro won't give anyone a reason to call him a hardcore communist. Not to mention his vacation in the USSR.
grasswire
(50,130 posts)The demographics have changed. The majority of the people do not care any more. More than 60 percent accept the notion of socialism, even.
OhZone
(3,212 posts)Communism not.
LastLiberal in PalmSprings
(12,539 posts)And for many Millennials the knee jerk reaction to the word "communism" hasn't developed.
Also, as Bernie keeps asserting, he is a democratic socialist, who believes in a democracy that works toward the common good. It doesn't eliminate capitalism, it just eliminates the profit motive in such necessities as healthcare, providing for seniors, utilities, water(!) infrastructure, etc.
It acts as a governor on the "for me to win, you have to lose" paradigm which currently exists in capitalism.
UglyGreed
(7,661 posts)Politicalboi
(15,189 posts)Henry Kissinger, and taking his advise.
BernieforPres2016
(3,017 posts)He did note that Cuba under Castro has high quality healthcare and education, which is factual.
But don't let the facts get in your way.
If Bernie had baggage, Hillary's hit machine of Brock, Podesta, Blumenthal and others would have smeared him with it by now.
Hillary has railway cars filled with baggage.
TCJ70
(4,387 posts)Kip Humphrey
(4,753 posts)Chicago except bigger, louder, and frequently. Then, in 2018, run candidates in the states & House; run candidates in 2020; etc.
What's Hillary going to do?
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)John Poet
(2,510 posts)Hillary will be right at home with the Republicans.
She already did the bidding of the hard right when she helped legitimize the coup in Honduras.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)tularetom
(23,664 posts)Thats exactly what would happen
kristopher
(29,798 posts)...the "I was forced to go along with the lesser of two evils" would also become a common refrain.
amborin
(16,631 posts)ry
EmperorHasNoClothes
(4,797 posts)This really should be obvious to anyone who is paying attention. Tweety isn't exactly known for his perception, though.
grasswire
(50,130 posts)He thinks he had an original thought there.
Segami
(14,923 posts)Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)Politicalboi
(15,189 posts)Tweety is a joke.
gwheezie
(3,580 posts)I bet kasich told him he could be press secretary
JoePhilly
(27,787 posts)Kip Humphrey
(4,753 posts)TWEETY: "She's done it. She's convinced me. ...HILLARY 2016!"
Or he may be sincere, insightful, and truthful.
Its Tweety, you decide.
NCjack
(10,279 posts)for his congressional candidate wife.
We can hope.
Raster
(20,996 posts)...ignorance, ineptitude, gesticulation, and outright hero worship, Chris has flashes of sanity and even, dare I say it, rational thought.
My forever memory of Tweety, however, will be of him humping W*'s leg on national television.
http://thinkprogress.org/media/2007/08/09/15370/matthews-bush-monologue/
Immediately following President Bushs press conference today, MSNBCs Chris Matthews spent three unbroken minutes fawning over the presidents powerful rendition of his philosophy without uttering a single critical word. I thought in listening to the president, I was listening to one of the great neoconservative minds, gushed Matthews.
Calling Bush powerful on three separate occasions, Matthews marveled at the presidents defense of his foreign policy:
We were given a rare opportunity to hear the real philosophy of this administration with regard to the war in Iraq. A powerful rendition by the president of why were there. When he talked about the fact that we can support emerging democracies in the Middle East, and thats the only way we can prevent future 9/11s, youre getting to the heart of why this administration is fighting that war in Iraq.
This president is ready to fight like a rock through the rest of his term, Matthews proclaimed. He made it clear that hes going to fight as long as it takes to develop a democracy in Iraq. Theres not going to be any change come September.
<snip, ick, more>
oldandhappy
(6,719 posts)OhZone
(3,212 posts)are made up crap.
For example, the Clintons LOST money in Whitewater.
They'll make up crap about any Democrat.
Don't you worry.
IdaBriggs
(10,559 posts)Here is a nice list of the scandals from The Atlantic (which is not a right wing rag) with their interpretations of levels of concern/mild paraphrasing by me:
http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/03/tracking-the-clinton-controversies-from-whitewater-to-benghazi/396182/
Clintons State Department Emails (2009-2013): Serious
Benghazi (2012-Current): Boring
Conflicts of Interest in Foggy Bottom (2009-2013): Arcane
Clintons Private Email Server (2009-2013): Serious
Sidney Blumenthal (2009-2013): Stupid/Mostly Over (maybe)
The Speeches (2001-Current): Intermittent
Clinton Foundation (1997-Current): Variable
The Bad Old Days (1975-2001): Mostly Played Out
If you have gotten into the habit of auto tuning out any criticism of her as just more right wing radio noise (completely understandable after learning as much as we did about her husband's sex life in the late 90s), you are probably unaware of her repeated examples of just unbelievablely BAD JUDGMENT when it comes to some ridiculously unnecessary stupid stuff. People are in prison for lesser mistakes than she has made, and believe it or not, that is still a possibility for her because of the FBI/not the Republicans.
that's just a tiny fraction of the crap that the Clinton's survived. The Mostly played out stuff WAS HUGE back then. Where have you been?
And all opinion.
Sorry.
They'll survive the new crap too. Soon it will be "mostly played out" as well.
Also, I can't wait until this Bernie silliness is over, and my DU is back to normal and supporting Democrats not attacking them. Oh well.
IdaBriggs
(10,559 posts)From The Atlantic which is NOT a Right Wing Rag. I am aware it is not a complete list as I was an adult when Bill joined the White House in 1992.
Clinton survivability is not the question. Your assertion was that the scandals are (to quote you) "made up crap" and I have provided you a link to a neutral source explaining which scandals are serious, and which are not.
Scandal is the appropriate term when inappropriate behavior or betrayal of a public trust occurs. Whether you personally deem the behavior inappropriate (and I have offered a reasonable understanding of the nattering about Bill's splashing his masculine fluids all over a young intern's blue dress because his wife was apparently not keeping him sexually satisfied) is not my concern, but being ignorant of the facts involved and just saying it's "made up crap" displays an ignorance of reality and, as I said, is factually incorrect.
Good night.
Nobel_Twaddle_III
(323 posts)Babel_17
(5,400 posts)It being true is just a bonus. MSNBC is probably looking at everybody's compensation packages. Time to generate ad revenue.
Impedimentus
(898 posts)FEEL THE BERN - 2016
Ken Burch
(50,254 posts)n/t.
islandmkl
(5,275 posts)any number of other felonious deeds...just a 'minor' case of tax evasion...maybe not all the minor in reality, but it was all they could get him on...
the point being, it might not be the big scandal/crime/whatever that gets you...if someone is after you...