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(85,919 posts)
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 08:55 PM Mar 2016

Hillary opens up massive leads in Arizona, New York, Maryland, and Pennsylvania

Cain S. LaTrans ?@snkscoyote 5h5 hours ago
Hillary Clinton opens up massive leads in Arizona, New York, Maryland, and Pennsylvania

Hillary Clinton has taken such a dominant lead in the popular vote and delegate count that her Democratic primary opponent Bernie Sanders now needs to win the remaining states by an average margin of around twenty points. The trouble for him: four of the most delegate-rich upcoming states are slanting heavily toward Clinton in the latest polling. Even one of the very few states where he held a significant lead now appears to be leaning the other way. Here’s a look at just how dominant Hillary’s latest numbers are.

The next round of voting on March 22nd consists of the big state of Arizona and the small states of Idaho and Utah. New polling says that Hillary Clinton’s lead in Arizona is a whopping twenty-six points. Clinton also has a seven point lead in Utah, but due to its caucus format Sanders could win the state. Sanders could also win the Idaho caucus for the same reason. But delegates are awarded proportionally, so the total popular vote across the three states on this day should boost Clinton’s overall delegate lead by at least a bit – and as always, that’s before even getting to the superdelegates.

There is little to no polling for the March 26th states of Washington, Alaska, and Hawaii, making predictions difficult. Sanders wants Washington badly, and we’ll go deeper into that one in a moment. Moving on in the calendar to April 5th, the polls in Wisconsin have Clinton and Sanders statistically tied. That would result in the delegate haul being split almost evenly. So through the next seven states, the delegate count is going to come out roughly even. That’s bad news for Sanders, because he’s supposed to be winning all of these states by twenty points to have any chance of catching up.

Then comes New York on April 19th, where the two latest polls give Hillary an average lead of thirty-four points. That would boost Clinton’s lead by approximately sixty-five delegates. But the crushing blow comes on April 26th. Five states vote that day, but just two of them have most of the delegates. Hillary leads in Maryland by thirty-one points, and in Pennsylvania by twenty-six points. So just where is Sanders supposed to get his delegates from?

Sanders was counting on a blowout win in West Virginia, where a month ago he had a twenty-eight point lead in the only poll conducted. But now a different polling outlet says Clinton actually leads the state by eleven points. What’s really going on in West Virginia? We don’t know. But it’s no longer a safe stronghold for anyone.

The two large states Bernie supporters keep pointing to are Washington and California, the latter of which doesn’t vote until June. However, all states award their Democratic delegates proportionally. So even if Sanders pulled out fairly close wins in both states, he would get little more than half of the delegates in each state. This would in no way help him catch up mathematically. He needs to be winning blowout after blowout in large states, with no more losses and no close wins. And there is simply no roadmap for that.


http://www.dailynewsbin.com/news/hillary-clinton-opens-up-huge-leads-in-arizona-new-york-maryland-pennsylvania/24167/
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Hillary opens up massive leads in Arizona, New York, Maryland, and Pennsylvania (Original Post) bigtree Mar 2016 OP
Not surprising to most of us.. DCBob Mar 2016 #1
Yeah because of course we're clueless SHRED Mar 2016 #2
Not clueless.. DCBob Mar 2016 #4
Blinded by an intense desire to make this country better for the 99 percent... Human101948 Mar 2016 #28
Blinded to the fact Hillary is our best candidate. DCBob Mar 2016 #29
and then what? Armstead Mar 2016 #50
Judging by primaries won, delegates won comradebillyboy Mar 2016 #83
If we judge by what's happened in the last elections, they want Republicans... Human101948 Mar 2016 #91
Oh I have a lot of hope and faith in America. We have many comradebillyboy Mar 2016 #92
I'm too old to wait another 70 years... Human101948 Mar 2016 #93
Everyone on all sides is blinded by bias-- that's human nature Armstead Mar 2016 #49
My bias is purely about keeping a Democrat in the White House. DCBob Mar 2016 #61
My bias is for a "Democrat in the White House" to actually mean something Armstead Mar 2016 #64
Yes. Of course. DCBob Mar 2016 #66
Maybe she will and I hope so...But I don't have your faith in her Armstead Mar 2016 #67
Keen analysis Baghdad Bob HERVEPA Mar 2016 #57
Thank you.. but I have never been to Baghdad. DCBob Mar 2016 #58
But you apparently learned from the master HERVEPA Mar 2016 #87
I like Bernie Sanders. RiverNoord Mar 2016 #81
Brought to you by a clueless Bernie Sanders supporter. RiverNoord Mar 2016 #82
dont count your chickens before they hatch charlespercydemocrat Mar 2016 #6
LOL.. DCBob Mar 2016 #8
Yeah, it's a shock to me. John Poet Mar 2016 #19
Not surprising to me -- Self feeding momentum and Trump fear Armstead Mar 2016 #47
Not a shock. Lying about your opponent and misleading the public reaps benefit. Nothing new about Skwmom Mar 2016 #68
Your opinion is flawed. DCBob Mar 2016 #70
Um.. I'm a Bernie Sanders supporter, and I'm not shocked in the slightest. RiverNoord Mar 2016 #78
Looking good Solid Snake1 Mar 2016 #3
This is great bravenak Mar 2016 #5
Me, too! We are about to see the first woman POTUS! pandr32 Mar 2016 #60
if these polls hold..... chillfactor Mar 2016 #7
Woo hoo! MaggieD Mar 2016 #9
Don't start gloating too soon. We are in for the long haul and eventually we will throw rhett o rick Mar 2016 #10
End of the road is Cali and she's up 13 points at last count. ucrdem Mar 2016 #11
We will fight on. If we lose this we will look to win in 2020. The lower classes can survive more rhett o rick Mar 2016 #13
Bernie's winning the over $100,000 crowd. nt ucrdem Mar 2016 #14
The Revolution (™) is going to Primary President Clinton? That'll be fun... brooklynite Mar 2016 #16
At AT 79 Trenzalore Mar 2016 #18
Honestly, this is the difference between you guys and Bernie supporters... Joe the Revelator Mar 2016 #22
...and you guys seems to invest the entire Revolution (TM) in Bernie brooklynite Mar 2016 #25
And they will be loyal to the corporations that fund Hillary and the DNC... Human101948 Mar 2016 #30
Crickets Newkularblue Mar 2016 #33
Russ Feingold: "loyal to the corporations that fund Hillary and the DNC" brooklynite Mar 2016 #35
Well, that's one name... Human101948 Mar 2016 #53
That is because Hillary was a Senator in NY where those organizations are located Lucinda Mar 2016 #63
And all those people who work at Goldman Sachs are closet Democrats? Human101948 Mar 2016 #69
You think everyone who works in the financial industry is a Republican? Lucinda Mar 2016 #72
Yep, it's been going on for years... Human101948 Mar 2016 #73
Your link, from 1992 is dealing with PAC money. Lucinda Mar 2016 #75
I guess those few who are Dems made all those contributions... Human101948 Mar 2016 #79
You don't know jack shit about "you guys" Armstead Mar 2016 #51
Really? mythology Mar 2016 #37
I don't think it has much to do with Bernie himself...it is the objectives that he espouses... Human101948 Mar 2016 #38
There was the "Jesus=Bernie" post not too long ago. OilemFirchen Mar 2016 #48
That post was as legit as the WWE... Joe the Revelator Mar 2016 #94
How about all those posts with idealized photos of Clinton as transcendent saint or Kium Il Sung? Armstead Mar 2016 #52
You would think some people would learn from Bernie's fatal mistake of calling for President Obama workinclasszero Mar 2016 #32
You would think some people had the intellectual ability to understand the difference.... Armstead Mar 2016 #55
A Clinton victory will be a kick in the face for the struggling lower classes. rhett o rick Mar 2016 #24
Yes Trenzalore Mar 2016 #23
K&R. AWESOME! lunamagica Mar 2016 #12
Climate change and the sixth global mass-extinction event is happening now SoLeftIAmRight Mar 2016 #15
This Newkularblue Mar 2016 #34
K & R **It's Happening!** Alfresco Mar 2016 #17
KICK Cha Mar 2016 #20
"For the record, yes, we are a real news outlet." WorseBeforeBetter Mar 2016 #21
DU rec for all kinds of reasons...nt SidDithers Mar 2016 #26
The Democrats need to get rid of this Sanders distraction at the earliest date. Trust Buster Mar 2016 #27
No Bernie is about the people One of the 99 Mar 2016 #41
I'm not suggesting he drop out. I'm merely saying that, if the handwriting is on the wall Trust Buster Mar 2016 #43
April??? One of the 99 Mar 2016 #44
How can our number one base motivator, President Obama, go out on the stump Trust Buster Mar 2016 #46
Why does he need to go on the stump before then? One of the 99 Mar 2016 #54
Yes I do. We have the Bully Pulpit to our advantage. Trust Buster Mar 2016 #59
He's not feeling is oats One of the 99 Mar 2016 #95
I do not understand your statement that such a thing would be 'hurtful to our efforts." DebJ Mar 2016 #65
"He needs to be winning blowout after blowout in large states...no more losses and no close wins" workinclasszero Mar 2016 #31
She led in Michgan too! One of the 99 Mar 2016 #36
Bernie was supposed to win MO and OH redstateblues Mar 2016 #39
Touche! One of the 99 Mar 2016 #40
Open primary. NY is a closed primary. hrmjustin Mar 2016 #56
As is Pennsylvania. NuclearDem Mar 2016 #89
Damn confederates (nt) jcgoldie Mar 2016 #42
LOL workinclasszero Mar 2016 #45
This looks like good news, but we shouldn't trust any polls these days zixiofix Mar 2016 #62
your description of your politics bigtree Mar 2016 #71
thanks bigtree :) zixiofix Mar 2016 #80
I've had friends come here and leave right away because of the level of animus in posts bigtree Mar 2016 #84
It's important to Get Out The Vote. yardwork Mar 2016 #74
Hmmmm Bangbangdem Mar 2016 #76
Hillary is up big in NY. Of what is left it is the second largest state to vote. hrmjustin Mar 2016 #77
most the polls discussed are linked in the article bigtree Mar 2016 #85
And.... Bangbangdem Mar 2016 #86
no one's stopping you from offering your own polls bigtree Mar 2016 #88
Ok, I'm not calling for the fork but..........just saying. RealAmericanDem Mar 2016 #90
I am workinclasszero Mar 2016 #96
 

Human101948

(3,457 posts)
28. Blinded by an intense desire to make this country better for the 99 percent...
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 09:18 AM
Mar 2016

We just don't see that happening with Hillary desire to inch forward and let the Republicans dominate the agenda.

DCBob

(24,689 posts)
29. Blinded to the fact Hillary is our best candidate.
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 09:21 AM
Mar 2016

She is an amazing intelligent experienced dedicated public servant who can beat the GOP and secure a Democrat in the White House for at least 8 more years.

comradebillyboy

(10,119 posts)
83. Judging by primaries won, delegates won
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 12:38 PM
Mar 2016

and votes cast the 99% just isn't buying what Bernie is selling. All this despite the media trying to prop up the Sanders campaign. Despite virtually all positive press and no really negative scrutiny. Until last Tuesday that is, because after Hill's 5 state sweep even Chris Hayes couldn't pretend that Bernie is competitive anymore.

 

Human101948

(3,457 posts)
91. If we judge by what's happened in the last elections, they want Republicans...
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 05:11 PM
Mar 2016

I think you're right. There is no hope for this country. I'm thinking seriously about moving to a country that is more civilized.

Somewhere where health care, education and other socialist programs are more than corporate cash cows.

comradebillyboy

(10,119 posts)
92. Oh I have a lot of hope and faith in America. We have many
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 05:22 PM
Mar 2016

difficult and complex problems to deal with but I expect to see continued progresss. I view Hillary as a pragmatic problem solver and I like most of her political positions. I don't expect purity from politicians and I know she will do things that piss me off but I find her to be the best choice available. You have a different view and I'll just leave it there.

 

Human101948

(3,457 posts)
93. I'm too old to wait another 70 years...
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 05:33 PM
Mar 2016

Truman tried to get national health care in 1945. Incrementalism hasn't worked.

It’s fairly well accepted that the U.S. is the most expensive healthcare system in the world, but many continue to falsely assume that we pay more for healthcare because we get better health (or better health outcomes). The evidence, however, clearly doesn’t support that view.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/danmunro/2014/06/16/u-s-healthcare-ranked-dead-last-compared-to-10-other-countries/#1509074e1b96
 

Armstead

(47,803 posts)
49. Everyone on all sides is blinded by bias-- that's human nature
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 10:41 AM
Mar 2016

Just a matter of which filter one chiooses for their own particular bias.

I'm kinda biased by frustration and disgust of 40 years of seeing the Democratic Party morph into a "kinder and gentler" version of the GOP as a party of Big Business, Wall St. and status quo corruption.

DCBob

(24,689 posts)
61. My bias is purely about keeping a Democrat in the White House.
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 11:01 AM
Mar 2016

Hillary probably would not have been my first choice if I had more choices. I was hoping Howard Dean would run again or perhaps Kirsten Gillibrand. But when my choices are Bernie and Hillary.. Hillary is the one. She can handle the GOP and beat them. Bernie? I doubt it. He's simply not ready for primetime.

DCBob

(24,689 posts)
66. Yes. Of course.
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 11:15 AM
Mar 2016

I happen to believe she will be a tremendous fighter for the things we as Democrats value and will move this country forward in a good way. I know you will find that amusing and perhaps even ridiculous.. but that's where bias comes in again.

 

RiverNoord

(1,150 posts)
81. I like Bernie Sanders.
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 12:23 PM
Mar 2016

But I'm confused about this 'polls' business. Do you get more votes because of how many polls there are in your state? I could build a bunch if that would help. There are lots and lots of telephone polls in North Dakota - will that help?

What kind of polls would help Bernie? Telephone polls, electricity polls, street light polls? And does it matter how tall they are?

But I thought that what really mattered was your how big your coccyx was and how hard it was to pry Mary away from the Re-publicans? I still don't understand why a lot of people quit being publicans and why they want to be them again...

It's all really confusing. Well, when Queen Clinton appoints Bernie to be the Prime Minister, it'll all work out just fine. Then he and Chancellor Trump can build the Wall to keep out the Others from Mexico. They're dangerous and only 'fireglass' can stop them. And they make zombies. Totally creepy. I don't know how they'll keep it from melting - it's hot down there a lot, but they play hockey in Texas so I guess someone knows how to make it work.

But maybe she won't now that he's not helping out at the A-Pack conference. I don't know what goes into an A-Pack, but lots of people seem to think it's important. I've never seen an A-Pack, at least as far as I know. Is it, like, a winter survival kit or something like that? But it's almost spring - that wouldn't be the time to pack those, unless, I guess, you're sending them to Australia. I don't know why, but they have winter at totally the wrong time of the year.

Well, in Minnesota our coccyxes were the right size for Bernie, so that was cool. If I should build some polls in those other states to help, someone let me know.

Anything to help out 'dem 'O-crats.' They're the best.

 

RiverNoord

(1,150 posts)
82. Brought to you by a clueless Bernie Sanders supporter.
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 12:34 PM
Mar 2016

I thought I'd write it in 'the intelligence level hard-core Hillary Clinton supporters seem to think we possess' language.

Since a great many of us are old-time Democratic stalwarts, who have not only a clue but have already solved most of the mysteries, it would be of great benefit to many Clinton supporters to consider carefully why we support Sanders so vigorously. And, perhaps, why we may be concerned about a person seeking to become the next President of the United States who is widely viewed as dishonest and untrustworthy, who has spent decades building relationships with a diverse range of exceptionally wealthy people, and now is sheepishly declaring how nearly everything she would do as President would be adverse to their interests...

 

John Poet

(2,510 posts)
19. Yeah, it's a shock to me.
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 12:37 AM
Mar 2016

I had no idea that so many Democratic primary voters were either neoconservative war hawks, or ill-informed and blind lemmings...

 

Armstead

(47,803 posts)
47. Not surprising to me -- Self feeding momentum and Trump fear
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 10:37 AM
Mar 2016

The message has been "Hillary is the defacto nominee. bernie is just playing out his string."

Yeah that's going to cause many people in the "eitehr or" category to shift to Clinton. Plus the "time for unity" meme.

And Trump and the "Oh No Not That!" factor reinforces her false "electabilty" meme.

Doesn't mean a lot of those are wildly enthusiastic about Clinton, except for the shopworn meme of "anyone but a Republican."

Skwmom

(12,685 posts)
68. Not a shock. Lying about your opponent and misleading the public reaps benefit. Nothing new about
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 11:18 AM
Mar 2016

that.
 

RiverNoord

(1,150 posts)
78. Um.. I'm a Bernie Sanders supporter, and I'm not shocked in the slightest.
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 12:00 PM
Mar 2016

At this stage, for the states mentioned, polls are of minimal predictive value.

And polling has been... peculiarly less-than-accurate this year on the subject of Democratic primary and caucus outcomes.

Nope, no shock. Especially with the media blackout of what has actually been an historic campaign by Bernie Sanders, unprecedented in many, many ways in modern American history. Nope - I'll let Democrats in the states decide who they support when it's actually their primary/caucus day.

 

Solid Snake1

(95 posts)
3. Looking good
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 09:01 PM
Mar 2016

For Hillary! If she wins AZ by 20 or 30 points the primary is effectively over. Sanders would have to win every single remaining state 70-30.

pandr32

(11,447 posts)
60. Me, too! We are about to see the first woman POTUS!
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 10:59 AM
Mar 2016

I am still excited about President Obama! It seems important history is being made and we are right here witnessing it! The future and past will look very different! No wonder the GOP are eating their own--desperation!

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
10. Don't start gloating too soon. We are in for the long haul and eventually we will throw
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 09:22 PM
Mar 2016

out the Big Money politicians that Clinton fans revere.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
13. We will fight on. If we lose this we will look to win in 2020. The lower classes can survive more
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 09:27 PM
Mar 2016

and more of the dominance of the Wealthy and Super-Wealthy that you guys so venerate. Sooner or later we will throw out the Big Money that dominates our government and you bow before.

 

Joe the Revelator

(14,915 posts)
22. Honestly, this is the difference between you guys and Bernie supporters...
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 01:26 AM
Mar 2016

You guys LOOOOOVE Hillary to the point that one could call it a cult of personality. Bernie supporters are less about Bernie and more about moving the issues to a progressive place.

brooklynite

(93,873 posts)
25. ...and you guys seems to invest the entire Revolution (TM) in Bernie
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 09:10 AM
Mar 2016

I'm also working to get 8 Senators, 30 House members and a handful of Governors elected. How about you folks?

 

Human101948

(3,457 posts)
30. And they will be loyal to the corporations that fund Hillary and the DNC...
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 09:35 AM
Mar 2016

Average citizens have “little or no independent influence” on the policy-making process? This must be an overstatement of Gilens’s and Page’s findings, no?

Alas, no. In their primary statistical analysis, the collective preferences of ordinary citizens had only a negligible estimated effect on policy outcomes, while the collective preferences of “economic elites” (roughly proxied by citizens at the 90th percentile of the income distribution) were 15 times as important. “Mass-based interest groups” mattered, too, but only about half as much as business interest groups — and the preferences of those public interest groups were only weakly correlated (.12) with the preferences of the public as measured in opinion surveys.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/monkey-cage/wp/2014/04/08/rich-people-rule/


While Hillary has railed against for profit education companies, --she literally gave them a place at the table, Bill collected a cool 16.5 million, and Laureate doubled their take of tax dollars

It was recently revealed through Hillary’s emails that during her first year as Secretary of State she insisted that Laureate Education be included in the guest list for an education policy dinner hosted at the U.S. Department of State.

“It’s a for-profit model that should be represented,” she wrote in the August 2009 email, and as a result, a senior vice president at Laureate was added to the guest list. Several months later, former President Bill Clinton became an honorary chancellor of Laureate International Universities, which turned out to be incredibly lucrative. He was paid a cool $16.5 million between 2010 and 2014 for his role with the for-profit college.
https://www.rawstory.com/2016/03/hillarys-emails-reveal-lucrative-ties-to-for-profit-colleges/

brooklynite

(93,873 posts)
35. Russ Feingold: "loyal to the corporations that fund Hillary and the DNC"
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 09:52 AM
Mar 2016

I'll pass that suggest along to him the next time I see him.

But it says something else as well; you're unhappy with the House and Senate candidates, but The Revolution (™) didn't run any of their own.

 

Human101948

(3,457 posts)
53. Well, that's one name...
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 10:46 AM
Mar 2016

(Sorry I don't have any corporate backers. I can't afford to buy any Senators or Congrees people.)

Compare the donors--

Hillary's top donors

Emily's List $939,881 $930,961 $8,920
Citigroup Inc $883,547 $875,547 $8,000
DLA Piper $847,930 $820,930 $27,000
Goldman Sachs $821,031 $811,031 $10,000
JPMorgan Chase & Co $771,111 $768,111 $3,000
Morgan Stanley $754,538 $749,538 $5,000
University of California $608,858 $608,858 $0
Time Warner $591,524 $566,524 $25,000
Skadden, Arps et al $522,688 $518,188 $4,500
Corning Inc $492,750 $474,750 $18,000
Kirkland & Ellis $443,420 $426,420 $17,000
Paul, Weiss et al $427,062 $427,062 $0
Greenberg Traurig LLP $411,640 $403,540 $8,100
Sullivan & Cromwell $396,625 $396,625 $0
Akin, Gump et al $393,531 $390,031 $3,500
National Amusements Inc $366,640 $363,640 $3,000
21st Century Fox $363,899 $363,899 $0
Lehman Brothers $362,853 $359,853 $3,000
Ernst & Young $360,127 $340,127 $20,000
Harvard University $359,451 359,451 0

https://www.opensecrets.org/politicians/contrib.php?cid=N00000019&cycle=Career

Bernie's big donors

Alphabet Inc $132,228
University of California $46,777
Apple Inc $38,106
Microsoft Corp $36,937
Amazon.com $24,878
US Navy $20,027
Kaiser Permanente $19,578
Columbia University $16,850
University of Illinois $15,300
US Air Force $13,608
New York University $13,600
University Of Michigan $12,960
EMC Corp $12,725
IBM Corp $12,200
Intel Corp $12,150
Cornell University $11,975
Stanford University $11,800
Harvard University $11,614
US Postal Service $11,207
Facebook Inc $11,207
https://www.opensecrets.org/pres16/contrib.php?id=N00000528&

Lucinda

(31,170 posts)
63. That is because Hillary was a Senator in NY where those organizations are located
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 11:08 AM
Mar 2016

And the PEOPLE who work in them donated to her campaigns, over the course of about 15 years.

 

Human101948

(3,457 posts)
69. And all those people who work at Goldman Sachs are closet Democrats?
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 11:19 AM
Mar 2016

and were never instructed to contribute to Hillary? That's believable.

Lucinda

(31,170 posts)
72. You think everyone who works in the financial industry is a Republican?
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 11:25 AM
Mar 2016

Seriously?
And that they were "instructed" to give their own money to a Democratic candidate?

 

Human101948

(3,457 posts)
73. Yep, it's been going on for years...
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 11:39 AM
Mar 2016

How Lawmakers Get Their 'Bundle' : Elections: 'Open Secrets' shows how interest groups are bypassing campaign laws by 'bundling' individual contributions.
July 01, 1992|SARA FRITZ | TIMES STAFF WRITER
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WASHINGTON — In the most pronounced example of a new phenomenon in campaign contributions, Sen. Bill Bradley (D-N.J.) received donations of $20,000 or more from each of nine different Wall Street securities firms, five law firms and three Hollywood film studios in the 1990 election, a new study found.

Entitled "Open Secrets," the 1,500-page analysis released Tuesday by the Center for Responsive Politics demonstrates the extent to which special interests now rely on coordinated personal contributions from corporate executives--along with political action committee contributions--in giving money to members of Congress.

http://articles.latimes.com/1992-07-01/news/mn-1177_1_individual-contributions

Lucinda

(31,170 posts)
75. Your link, from 1992 is dealing with PAC money.
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 11:51 AM
Mar 2016

First of all...everyone who works in finance is NOT a Republican.
And even if they were, Republican companies would NOT be making their employees donate to a Dem.

And if you look at the crosstabs from your link to Hillarys donors, you will see the majority of money from those totals is from individual donors and the PAC money, listed from any of those companies, is in very small amounts.





 

Human101948

(3,457 posts)
79. I guess those few who are Dems made all those contributions...
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 12:05 PM
Mar 2016

Perhaps, but I live in the midst of Wall Streeters and have yet to met a Democrat.

And the coordination (or intimidation) was enough of a problem that, to their credit, Goldman Sachs had to make a rule against it. Whether that has stopped the practice, I don't have any idea.

 

Armstead

(47,803 posts)
51. You don't know jack shit about "you guys"
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 10:44 AM
Mar 2016

Bernie is the current standard bearer, but this was building form many years, and will keep on long after Bernie.

 

mythology

(9,527 posts)
37. Really?
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 09:55 AM
Mar 2016

You haven't noticed the posts from Sanders supporters calling him the Jewish carpenter, or that blacks supporting Clinton have Stockholm Syndrome, or the post saying this

"Bernie is truth. Bernie is conviction. Bernie is love. Bernie is tolerance. Bernie is Robin Hood. Bernie is Pope Francis. Bernie is selfless. Bernie is fearless. Bernie has a history of outspoken leadership that we should all applaud. Bernie is the type of person who is fit to lead because he does so out of a concern for others, not out of a desire for power. Bernie is humble."

Or the posts saying that Sanders is our last hope.

Yes there are some Clinton supporters who seem to have an overly devoted attachment to Clinton, but I would argue that there are significantly more Sanders supporters (not all of them) who are that way. I don't think it's even close in total numbers, especially at DU given how many more Sanders supporters there are than Clinton supporters.

 

Human101948

(3,457 posts)
38. I don't think it has much to do with Bernie himself...it is the objectives that he espouses...
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 09:58 AM
Mar 2016

I would certainly be 100% behind Hillary if she did the same. So far she has adopted a few of his policy objectives but I suspect those will be dust in the wind if she gains the White House.

 

Joe the Revelator

(14,915 posts)
94. That post was as legit as the WWE...
Sun Mar 20, 2016, 01:31 AM
Mar 2016

that poster has spent his entire short history at DU making completely outrageous/tongue in cheek posts.

 

Armstead

(47,803 posts)
52. How about all those posts with idealized photos of Clinton as transcendent saint or Kium Il Sung?
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 10:46 AM
Mar 2016
 

workinclasszero

(28,270 posts)
32. You would think some people would learn from Bernie's fatal mistake of calling for President Obama
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 09:41 AM
Mar 2016

to be primaried.

 

Armstead

(47,803 posts)
55. You would think some people had the intellectual ability to understand the difference....
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 10:48 AM
Mar 2016

between discussions and a "call to primary" Obama in an attempt to defeat him.

And you conveniently forget the many trial balloons that were floated by Clinton supporters before the 2012 election for Clinton to run against him because of his political weakness at the time.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
24. A Clinton victory will be a kick in the face for the struggling lower classes.
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 08:42 AM
Mar 2016

But her and bill will become billionaires and it disturbs me that Democrats actually support the domination of our democracy by the Ruling Class.

Goldman-Sachs doesn't really love you.

 

Trust Buster

(7,299 posts)
27. The Democrats need to get rid of this Sanders distraction at the earliest date.
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 09:17 AM
Mar 2016

We need the President out on the stump for Hillary at the earliest date. The Hillary campaign needs as much time and resources to begin challenging voter suppression laws in critical states. If Sanders doesn't tip his hat to Hillary by the end of April, it will be time to go nuclear on the guy. He's NOT a Democrat and does NOT have the Democratic Party's interest at heart. Sanders is only about Sanders.

One of the 99

(2,280 posts)
41. No Bernie is about the people
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 10:16 AM
Mar 2016

And if Bernie gets out now the news will be all Trump all the time. Bernie is bringing up important issues that would otherwise be ignored. He should stay in as long as possible.

 

Trust Buster

(7,299 posts)
43. I'm not suggesting he drop out. I'm merely saying that, if the handwriting is on the wall
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 10:22 AM
Mar 2016

by the end of April, he needs to concede that Hillary is the presumptive nominee so that the President can start working his magic on her behalf. Bernie can stay on the stump as long as he wishes. Instead, he's talking about a fight at the convention. That would be hurtful to our efforts.

 

Trust Buster

(7,299 posts)
46. How can our number one base motivator, President Obama, go out on the stump
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 10:37 AM
Mar 2016

before the convention if Sanders refuses to concede before then ?

One of the 99

(2,280 posts)
54. Why does he need to go on the stump before then?
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 10:48 AM
Mar 2016

Do you really think a rally in May is going to motivate people to vote in November?

 

Trust Buster

(7,299 posts)
59. Yes I do. We have the Bully Pulpit to our advantage.
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 10:56 AM
Mar 2016

To hamstring that power so that Sanders can feel his oats in July would be a very selfish thing to do IMO.

DebJ

(7,699 posts)
65. I do not understand your statement that such a thing would be 'hurtful to our efforts."
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 11:14 AM
Mar 2016

Please explain. I sincerely want to know. I don't understand this talk that the only way to support democracy, is to tell a huge portion of it to shut up, give up, and go away, and to NOT fight for Progressive ideals and PROGRESS. (Versus, we won't go backwards...well, if that's the STARTING goal, then one knows yes, we will go backwards...you don't begin negotiations with an attitude of 'I give up" and expect to win much of anything).

The only way for real progressives to reach everyone and get the message out is to keep talking and keep fighting for real progress at every available opportunity. Unfortunately most of those elected to Congress have absolutely no chutzpah, and merely become part of the machine instead of fighting and working to move things forward. So everyone ELSE HAS to stand up and keep fighting, and that means taking every possible second of every possible day and opportunity to talk, and talk, and talk, and talk and thereby fight.

Exactly what is democratic about telling everyone to shut up and just accept "no, we can't'? Of course, we can't..when no one is trying, when one is beginning from the assessment of 'no, we can't'. No, we couldn't go to the moon in 1960 either. Nor could you get a high school education in 1925. You have to dream, and fight, and struggle, and TALK TALK TALK to make progress.

Unless, of course, the Democratic Party wishes to just come right out and say "We do not accept progressives. The Republicans are conservatives who wish to take us backwards. The Democratic Party's goal is to simply not go backwards; we have NO intention of moving forward because we like things just like they are."

I understand Republicans saying, basically, shut up and go away, and we don't care what you want, or what you have to say, leave us alone to control things as we see fit. Let us lead you blindly, and don't participate except by giving us accolades.

I thought the Democratic Party was different.


 

workinclasszero

(28,270 posts)
31. "He needs to be winning blowout after blowout in large states...no more losses and no close wins"
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 09:38 AM
Mar 2016

Bernie is done.

zixiofix

(40 posts)
62. This looks like good news, but we shouldn't trust any polls these days
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 11:05 AM
Mar 2016

I'm new here but I've been watching the dialogue/debate on here for a few months. I'm actually a little nervous to post something because of how contentious this environment is.

I'm a Hillary supporter, but I'm also open to ideas from Bernie supporters. Or at least open to listening to their thoughts and ideas. I am not interested in being right, I am interested in forming the best position I can and I can't do that in an intellectual vacuum.

I was hoping to join this community to engage in civil intellectual debate and I love the free exchange of ideas. I hope that's still a goal of this community.

That said, polls like these tend to make a base complacent. We should continue to fight for every vote.

Go Hillary!

bigtree

(85,919 posts)
71. your description of your politics
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 11:22 AM
Mar 2016

...should suit this forum.

It's still the internet, though, and motives are hard to discern through the scattered posts here. Lot's of folks to interact with, though, with a good range of Democratic mindsets.

Welcome to DU!

zixiofix

(40 posts)
80. thanks bigtree :)
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 12:14 PM
Mar 2016

I hope so. I've just seen so much virtual carnage in the last few months on here that it is quite bizarre. As others have posted, I am shocked because the dialogue I see on here between Bernie Supporters and Hillary Supporters reminds me of the dialogue between conservatives and liberals/progressives on sites like Mediaite, which, again, I go to because I like to see all sides/perspectives on an issue.

But shocking to see that level of vitriol in a space where everyone is ostensibly supposed to be on the same side.

Thanks for your comment!

bigtree

(85,919 posts)
84. I've had friends come here and leave right away because of the level of animus in posts
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 01:55 PM
Mar 2016

...but you should consider the number of folks just reading, and that the more vitriolic and controversial posts inevitably rise to the top. You really need to take this discussion board on whatever terms you decide and recognize that countless others are inclined to do the same.

Look forward to reading your posts, zixiofix.

 

Bangbangdem

(140 posts)
76. Hmmmm
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 11:55 AM
Mar 2016

Thus rag is owned by a bundler for Clinton. Serve as the press wing of the campaign. Don't believe the hype.

 

hrmjustin

(71,265 posts)
77. Hillary is up big in NY. Of what is left it is the second largest state to vote.
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 11:59 AM
Mar 2016

Hillary does beter in closed primaries.

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