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FourScore

(9,704 posts)
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 03:28 AM Mar 2016

It's not just about the CLASSIFICATION of the emails - it's about the CONTENT

When the private server issue first hit the scene, I - like Bernie Sanders said - didn't care about her damn emails. I listened to the drip, drip, drip with very little interest. Then, suddenly, something caught my attention: Hillary's response to the fact that Sydney Blumenthal had access to above top secret information without a clearance. Her explanation that "the emails were not classified at the time" really caught my attention. I immediately thought, "Hillary's just not that dumb. She's hiding something." She may be able to fool a lot of people with that act, but anyone, and I mean ANYONE who has worked with classified government documents knows that the "none of the emails were classified at the time" stint is beyond bogus. (Full disclosure - I worked at the American Headquarters and Consulate in West Berlin during the Cold War. I handled sensitive material and held a clearance. I am well aware of protocol.) Without rehashing what many have already stated on this site and others about the hows and whys, I can assure you - Hillary fucked up. Badly. But the thing is, she knew she was breaking protocol at the time, and she either didn't care or she truly believed that the rules didn't apply to her. There's no way around this. It is fact, which left me wondering, could she really be so cavalier? Really?? That's when I began to take a closer look at what was going on. In this process, I have learned some very disturbing facts, facts which leave me gravely concerned.

Let me preface by saying, I do believe that Hillary, like Patraeus, won't get much more than a slap on the wrist for the classified email "scandal". Her closest aides and advisors, however, are about to experience a living hell. My prediction: Huma Adedin, Cheryl Mills and Sydney Blumenthal will be thrown under the bus, along with 6-7 other aides. At minimum: they will be paying enormous legal bills in their near future. Worst case: they will go to jail. Particularly Blumenthal. News articles are already stating that Hillary has now distanced herself from her former confidant.

Other than right wing media sources (which cannot be trusted), there has been very little investigative journalism on this. Just as I was about to give up entirely on my quest, I discovered a series of online articles by John R Schindler, whose bio states that he "is a security expert and former National Security Agency analyst and counterintelligence officer. A specialist in espionage and terrorism, he's also been a Navy officer and a War College professor. He's published four books and is on Twitter at @20committee." Upon further investigation, I learned that he is unapologetically pro-NSA and vehemently anti-Snowden. In general, he is someone with whom I would probably never be friends. However, his articles contain the most in-depth analysis on the internet of what transpired between Hillary, the NSA, classified information, her Blackberry, Sydney Blumenthal and the emails. The story he reveals is very troubling.

...the biggest problem may be in a just-released email that has gotten little attention here, but plenty on the other side of the world. An email to Ms. Clinton from a close Clinton confidant late on June 8, 2011 about Sudan turns out to have explosive material in it. This message includes a detailed intelligence report from Sid Blumenthal, Hillary’s close friend, confidant and factotum, who regularly supplied her with information from his private intelligence service...."


The email was released online:



The rest of the email can be found at here. The NSA official breaks it down:

...Is this an NSA assessment? If so, it would have to be classified at least Secret/Sensitive Compartmented Information, a handling caveat that applies to most SIGINT, and quite possibly Top Secret/SCI, the highest normal classification we have. In that case, it was about as far from Unclassified as it’s possible for an email to be.

No surprise, NSA is aflutter this weekend over this strange matter. One Agency official expressed to me “at least 90 percent confidence” that Mr. Blumenthal’s June 8 report was derived from NSA reports, and the Agency ought to be investigating the matter right now.

There are many questions here. How did Mr. Blumenthal, who had no position in the U.S. government in 2011, and hasn’t since Bill Clinton left the White House 15 years ago, possibly get his hands on such highly classified NSA reporting? Why did he place it an open, non-secure email to Hillary, who after all had plenty of legitimate access, as Secretary of State, to intelligence assessments from all our spy agencies? Moreover, how did the State Department think this was Unclassified and why did it release it to the public?...


In an article titled, Why Hillary's Emailgate Matters, Schindler describes the general attitude at Hillary's State Department:

How such highly classified information from both NSA and CIA wound up in Ms. Clinton’s personal email is a messy question that the FBI is currently unravelling. Don’t expect pretty answers. That her staff at Foggy Bottom treated classification as a nuisance is already apparent, and such guidance, which was flagrantly illegal, could only have come from “the boss.”

Just what a sinkhole of secrets the Secretary of State’s office was during President Obama’s first term, when Ms. Clinton occupied that chair, is frighteningly apparent. Allegations are swirling that her staff systematically copied Top Secret Codeword information off separate, just-for-intelligence computer systems and cut-and-pasted it into “unclassified” emails. This, if true, is an unambiguous felony. There is reason to be cautious about this claim, which is unsubstantiated so far, and would indicate a complex degree of intent: moving Top Secret Codeword information into unclassified emails is not simple, rather a multi-step process, and would leave an audit trail.

Nevertheless, the casual approach of Ms. Clinton and her staff to classified information is already abundantly clear. Cheryl Mills, her chief of staff at Foggy Bottom, was using her personal Blackberry for work, including the transmission of classified email. That alone is a crime. Then, in a move worthy of a dark comedy, Ms. Mills proceeded to lose that Blackberry. This would be a career-ender, at best, for any normal U.S. Government employee. Ms. Mills, a longtime Clinton insider, naturally suffered no penalties of any kind for this astonishing security lapse.


When Hillary arrived at the State Department, she requested a Blackberry like the one the President had, so that she could receive confidential emails on her device. The device is only given to the President and her request was denied. She still tried numerous times to procure such a device. it was repeatedly explained to her that she would have to use the same type of secure government desktop computer as everyone else.

As one anonymous NSA official stated:

“What did she not want put on a government system, where security people might see it?” the former NSA official asked, adding, “I wonder now, and I sure wish I’d asked about it back in 2009.”


THAT is the question the authorities want answered. Like the Goldman Sachs speech transcripts she will not disclose, or the 30,000 emails spanning a 5-month time period that have vanished, what's behind the curtain?

Sources close to the investigation claim that the emails are leading the investigation to the Clinton Foundation. C-Span interviewed former US Attorney for DC Joseph diGenova. At aroung the 20:00 mark he explains that the investigation is now focusing on the Clinton Foundation and how it relates to the server, and any official acts that may have resulted in money being donated to the foundation. Hillary's close aide, Huma Abejin was also on the Foundation payroll while simultaneously working for Secretary Clinton at the State Department. Multiple websites speculate that a grand jury has been convened. Apparently, Loretta Lynch refused to confirm or deny this fact while being interviewed on television.

Rawstory recently published an article that highlights how Clinton's cronyism and political decisions were intertwined. The article actually questions Clinton's sincerity regarding the student debt crisis:

Student loan debt continues to be one of the largest economic issues plaguing the U.S., with the total amount topping $1.3 trillion. Hillary Clinton’s higher education policy touts debt-free degrees for underprivileged students. But is she being genuine in her efforts to address the issue?

While Hillary loves to rail against shady for-profit colleges on the campaign trail, she does have some financial ties to them that are likely to shape whether or not she holds them accountable for ripping students off.

It was recently revealed through Hillary’s emails that during her first year as Secretary of State she insisted that Laureate Education be included in the guest list for an education policy dinner hosted at the U.S. Department of State.

“It’s a for-profit model that should be represented,” she wrote in the August 2009 email, and as a result, a senior vice president at Laureate was added to the guest list. Several months later, former President Bill Clinton became an honorary chancellor of Laureate International Universities, which turned out to be incredibly lucrative. He was paid a cool $16.5 million between 2010 and 2014 for his role with the for-profit college.


There are more shady dealings described in this article in The New Yorker.

The most fascinating part of this story is the MSM blackout. It is nearly impossible to find news clips or articles about any of this. I fear they are holding onto the information until the general election. I could be wrong and I hope I am, but the entire story is complex and filled with cronyism and entitlement. My biggest fear now is that indictments will begin during the general election.


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It's not just about the CLASSIFICATION of the emails - it's about the CONTENT (Original Post) FourScore Mar 2016 OP
It's not about emails, classification of emails, or any other BreakfastClub Mar 2016 #1
you can yap til the cows come home grasswire Mar 2016 #3
can't live in fear of nuisance lawsuits 6chars Mar 2016 #103
a federal investigation using 100 FBI agents is a "nuisance lawsuit".. grasswire Mar 2016 #104
So you admit you're not a Democrat Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Mar 2016 #148
the Dem Party is being torn apart yourpaljoey Mar 2016 #151
You are messing up. You, personally. IdaBriggs Mar 2016 #13
I think you got one part wrong. . . it's not because of the RW attack machine. pdsimdars Mar 2016 #18
Message auto-removed Name removed Mar 2016 #128
Sigh. Factually incorrect. This is BAD. nt IdaBriggs Mar 2016 #131
This op had nothing to do with disliking Hillary Clinton karynnj Mar 2016 #83
Precisely! You got it! JDPriestly Mar 2016 #155
Brilliant response - because just saying something makes it true. revbones Mar 2016 #87
I have been hollering about this for some days now, here. grasswire Mar 2016 #2
Do you remember when Obama met with Bernie a few weeks ago at the White House, FourScore Mar 2016 #4
hmmm grasswire Mar 2016 #5
I think it is possible to discuss it without discussing it, if that makes sense. n/t FourScore Mar 2016 #6
I'm not sure about that. Obama appears to be behind Hillary riderinthestorm Mar 2016 #15
Yes. This is exactly what will happen Abouttime Mar 2016 #25
re: "so far his administration has been scandal free" thesquanderer Mar 2016 #35
but FBI director Comey is a straight shooter. grasswire Mar 2016 #50
Comey is a joke Abouttime Mar 2016 #105
I abhor the content in your post...but it is on point. God help us. libdem4life Mar 2016 #135
Yes. It's come to that Abouttime Mar 2016 #149
Since her first term will likely be gobbled up in fighting scandals...both real and imagined... libdem4life Mar 2016 #175
People initially didn't care much about Watergate. Beowulf Mar 2016 #139
No way hillary gets.impeached Abouttime Mar 2016 #144
Kind of how they gave up on harranging Obama? Don't think so. It's her baggage and libdem4life Mar 2016 #177
I agree with you Samantha Mar 2016 #157
Yep! This Is A Classic And Impending Debacle. Hillary Should Suspend Her Campaign For CorporatistNation Mar 2016 #172
Another reason she should drop out Politicalboi Mar 2016 #75
I think, in all likelyhood, you're right. FourScore Mar 2016 #101
yes, that makes sense. grasswire Mar 2016 #74
Bernie came out looking really somber revbones Mar 2016 #156
You got my attention. I had just posted a bit ago IdaBriggs Mar 2016 #14
I was listening to a radio show with Robert Parry on it and he mentioned that he thought cui bono Mar 2016 #158
do you remember where you heard that? grasswire Mar 2016 #159
Well, since I've been having to get to work super early lately I think it must have been on cui bono Mar 2016 #160
thanks nt grasswire Mar 2016 #162
This belongs in Conspiracy theoris forum riversedge Mar 2016 #7
I wonder when Benghazi will start to come up again. Loki Mar 2016 #32
talking points. Irrelevant. nt grasswire Mar 2016 #51
The email story is the creation of the Hillary hating GOP, which makes you wonder Jackie Wilson Said Mar 2016 #52
But the server story is the creation of the FBI. Fawke Em Mar 2016 #73
That wouldnt exist in the first place were it not for the GOP Benghazi kangaroo court. Jackie Wilson Said Mar 2016 #76
Bullshit. Fawke Em Mar 2016 #84
Ah I see... tex-wyo-dem Mar 2016 #98
I'm sure the FBI appreciates your calling them conspirators. eom Fawke Em Mar 2016 #71
300 people sent email's to clintonmail.com BlueStateLib Mar 2016 #8
Ah, "Team Sanders" - a not so subtle way of implying IdaBriggs Mar 2016 #16
The American people want EVERYONE who broke the law to face the onecaliberal Mar 2016 #70
Hoping this is THEE BIG ONE!! C'mon man, it's just got to be one of those emails!! misterhighwasted Mar 2016 #9
Obviously didn't waste your time looking at the fact. . why do that when you can just be smug pdsimdars Mar 2016 #19
Thanks. Been trying to find the apt word defining those type of irritating flippant replies. Smug. EndElectoral Mar 2016 #22
Look close. grasswire Mar 2016 #54
Move on! Nothing to see here! Human101948 Mar 2016 #10
Poll after poll show that HRCs favorable/unfavorables are subpar. nc4bo Mar 2016 #11
Post removed Post removed Mar 2016 #12
That's not true. She didn't do it to herself... fun n serious Mar 2016 #130
Message auto-removed Name removed Mar 2016 #133
I hate reading but I made the effort for this great, fact filled article. pdsimdars Mar 2016 #17
I thought this was nothing until a few days ago too. Waiting For Everyman Mar 2016 #20
that's why she's rushing so hard to get the nomination grasswire Mar 2016 #56
Ego and arrogance is the baseline reason... tex-wyo-dem Mar 2016 #106
Holy shit, thanks for the link. We're so screwed. Broward Mar 2016 #164
Question - is there a notation "classified" on emails, OR how are they marked "secret"? EndElectoral Mar 2016 #21
I think that is what was happening - the cut-and-paste thing. IdaBriggs Mar 2016 #37
This email exposes Hillary's knowledge of receiving classified material Oilwellian Mar 2016 #147
cronyism and entitlement.... that is how she would be running the government kgnu_fan Mar 2016 #23
+10000000 farleftlib Mar 2016 #29
kick kgnu_fan Mar 2016 #108
absolutely grasswire Mar 2016 #57
Got the solution pdsimdars Mar 2016 #24
I'm sorry, I too am a Bernie supporter Abouttime Mar 2016 #31
Don't place your bets there. grasswire Mar 2016 #60
I know Hillary is smarter than me an the last thing I would do is create a paper trail if I was ... DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2016 #64
It's not paper... Fawke Em Mar 2016 #78
E-mail =paper trial. DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2016 #79
She didn't think hers would be because it was on her private server, though. Fawke Em Mar 2016 #81
It wasn't just Hillary, but her aides ... tex-wyo-dem Mar 2016 #107
I will let the voters hash it out. I know some folks want to usurp their votes. DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2016 #109
Alas this is not for voters to hash out nadinbrzezinski Mar 2016 #113
Maybe if you write an indictment... DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2016 #114
Alas that is the role of a United States Attorney nadinbrzezinski Mar 2016 #115
There was a break in of Larry O'Brien's office DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2016 #116
Well giving somebody with no clearances whatsoever nadinbrzezinski Mar 2016 #117
If you have evidence adduce it !!! DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2016 #120
It is not my job nadinbrzezinski Mar 2016 #121
No he did not... DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2016 #122
No my dear nadinbrzezinski Mar 2016 #123
He certainly didn't get it from Hillary... DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2016 #124
So nsa is so insecure he got it magically? nadinbrzezinski Mar 2016 #125
Why would he send information to Hillary that you say Hillary sent to him? DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2016 #127
Sanders did not sick the FBI or the Inspector General on her nadinbrzezinski Mar 2016 #134
You have a habit... DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2016 #141
Libel does not apply to people making their living in the public eye nadinbrzezinski Mar 2016 #142
Watergate, impeachment, indictments.... DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2016 #143
LMAO I wish this was the 1990s nadinbrzezinski Mar 2016 #145
LOL--"sick" {sic}. Forgive me, but as a grammar guru I cannot resist a "{sic}" joke! tblue37 Mar 2016 #166
Before I used it I checked the definition of sick and sic and neither seemed appropriate. DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2016 #167
"Sic" is an attack command; it is an archaic derivation from the verb "to seek." tblue37 Mar 2016 #168
I thought "sic" was what you wrote to bring attention to a misspelled word. DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2016 #169
It is that, too. If you read my edit of my original response, in which I explain the nuances of the tblue37 Mar 2016 #170
I would know better than to put "sick" after a misspelled word, though that would be funny. DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2016 #171
No. "Sic" is an editorial insertion for acknowledging errors in quoted material and thus tblue37 Mar 2016 #173
TY. DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2016 #174
No quotation marks when you paraphrase, and since you are paraphrasing, tblue37 Mar 2016 #176
I am a huge sports fan. Wilt went to University Of Kansas, Mario Chalmers too... DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2016 #178
No, but Drew Gooden took my intro to poetry class. Football players Gilbert Brown and tblue37 Mar 2016 #179
Drew Gooden used to play for the Cavaliers... DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2016 #180
When he was trying to decide whether to go pro, fans squawked loudly at him to stay at KU. tblue37 Mar 2016 #181
If he was half way prudent with his money he's set for life... DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2016 #182
Well they just formatted the drive once nadinbrzezinski Mar 2016 #112
Whew!! grasswire Mar 2016 #59
Oh the last moments of a dying campaign. hrmjustin Mar 2016 #26
Bigger than just the campaign, unfortunately. IdaBriggs Mar 2016 #41
The late 90s rocked... DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2016 #49
your fear is showing. nt grasswire Mar 2016 #61
Your slip is showing. hrmjustin Mar 2016 #62
And how precious is that? so smug and condescending. . . a true blue Hillary gal. pdsimdars Mar 2016 #118
I'm a guy. hrmjustin Mar 2016 #119
. Squinch Mar 2016 #27
Email!! Benghazi!! Whitewater!!! nt LexVegas Mar 2016 #28
Benghzai was going to be YYYUUUUGGGEEEE!!! Loki Mar 2016 #33
"Keep hope alive." (REDUX) DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2016 #30
I would like to know where Sidney Blumenthal got his information. Punkingal Mar 2016 #34
Does anybody know if she could have given her system access to Blumenthal? DemocracyDirect Mar 2016 #36
Blumenthal was BANNED by the White House. IdaBriggs Mar 2016 #38
She had him involved even though Obama said no to him. Punkingal Mar 2016 #40
Yes I know. DemocracyDirect Mar 2016 #42
IT here too. Did you see this post -- IdaBriggs Mar 2016 #58
Do we know that HRC did not get him clearance for work done for the Clinton Foundation? karynnj Mar 2016 #86
apparently the NSA wonders the same thing grasswire Mar 2016 #91
Is there one central organization that controls clearances? karynnj Mar 2016 #94
The services do their own investigations nadinbrzezinski Mar 2016 #136
Thanks - so does this mean that the Secretary of State could have given Blumenthal clearance? nt karynnj Mar 2016 #137
Nope nadinbrzezinski Mar 2016 #140
Obama BANNED him - he did NOT have clearance (hence the uproar). nt IdaBriggs Mar 2016 #102
Heck, Blumenthal was employed by the Foundation, too. grasswire Mar 2016 #66
did you google Tyler Drumheller? grasswire Mar 2016 #65
I just read up on him. Punkingal Mar 2016 #100
Sandy Berger too -- another blast from the past. Waiting For Everyman Mar 2016 #163
I think the answer lies in this Bloomberg article grasswire Mar 2016 #99
The Inspector General is taking this matter very seriously. Major Hogwash Mar 2016 #39
"Keep hope alive." (REDUX) DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2016 #43
She was on Colbert last Thursday and said that. Major Hogwash Mar 2016 #46
Missed it. I go to bed at 8:00 P.M. DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2016 #47
+ 1 JoePhilly Mar 2016 #63
emails and stuff. stonecutter357 Mar 2016 #44
staggeringly unacceptable behavior; just mind-boggling; have the 30K deleted emails ever been recove amborin Mar 2016 #45
At this point its almost not worth debating. Vinca Mar 2016 #48
You can bet that Trump is up to speed, and salivating. grasswire Mar 2016 #68
I wouldn't be surprised to see the worst case scenario happen for her. Vinca Mar 2016 #95
yes...and it is pretty narcissistic.. grasswire Mar 2016 #97
And here is confirmation that the first phase was propaganda. Nt NCTraveler Mar 2016 #53
If, by the first phase, you mean "classified" vs. "not classified" grasswire Mar 2016 #72
Lol. Yeah. That's the rovian trick. Nt NCTraveler Mar 2016 #80
It's about entitlement and blatantly disregarding Protocol . orpupilofnature57 Mar 2016 #55
It's also about who saw that content. Fawke Em Mar 2016 #67
K N R-ed Faux pas Mar 2016 #69
Banghazi!!! Dem2 Mar 2016 #77
Sigh. This is NOT Benghazi. Fawke Em Mar 2016 #82
Right-wing kooks initiated this investigation Dem2 Mar 2016 #85
Watergate started as a third-rate burglary, too. Fawke Em Mar 2016 #88
Watergate!!!!! Dem2 Mar 2016 #89
Yes, Watergate. Fawke Em Mar 2016 #90
Yup watergate nadinbrzezinski Mar 2016 #111
honestly, you need to read more grasswire Mar 2016 #92
"My biggest fear now is that indictments will begin during the general election." Fawke Em Mar 2016 #93
the country is in real jeopardy right now grasswire Mar 2016 #96
BINGO - that's a goodie SoLeftIAmRight Mar 2016 #110
Message auto-removed Name removed Mar 2016 #126
Yeah. It's too bad 120-150 FBI agents have fallen for right wing talking points. FourScore Mar 2016 #129
Message auto-removed Name removed Mar 2016 #132
This is Obama's FBI, not some right wing conspiracy. riderinthestorm Mar 2016 #138
I swear there's a half-dozen new Emailgate threads per day Tarc Mar 2016 #146
I didn't know the FBI investigation wrapped up months ago NWCorona Mar 2016 #152
They didn't. I am hearing that they will be done sometime in May. n/t FourScore Mar 2016 #154
Yawn...when a "Democrat" yells the equivalent of Benghazi! Sheepshank Mar 2016 #150
How is this the equivalen to Benghazi? n/t cui bono Mar 2016 #161
I'm pretty sure you can figure it out. Nt Sheepshank Mar 2016 #165
Duplicity Is As Duplicity Does cantbeserious Mar 2016 #153

BreakfastClub

(765 posts)
1. It's not about emails, classification of emails, or any other
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 03:35 AM
Mar 2016

such crap. It's about finding rationalizations for disliking Hillary. This email "scandal" is nonsense, just like all the other "scandals" right wingers have come up with over the years to attack Hillary. It's all lies. She has NEVER been found guilty of any wrongdoing, and republicans have been working their asses off for decades to get her on something, anything. Not gonna happen. She's done nothing wrong. Sorry to disappoint you.

grasswire

(50,130 posts)
3. you can yap til the cows come home
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 03:40 AM
Mar 2016

But denials by fans will have no effect on the investigations. Let's just hope the Democratic Party survives what is coming down in the next months.

grasswire

(50,130 posts)
104. a federal investigation using 100 FBI agents is a "nuisance lawsuit"..
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 03:55 PM
Mar 2016

...like a third rate burglary is Watergate. Think about it.

 

IdaBriggs

(10,559 posts)
13. You are messing up. You, personally.
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 08:30 AM
Mar 2016

I have seen this response from multiple Hillary fans here and I think I figured out why:

You tuned out Hillary criticism because of the Right Wing Attack Machine.

It was incessant and insane and over the top for so flaming long, what else could a sane person do?

But you are making FACTUALLY INCORRECT STATEMENTS in order to keep doing that. You aren't listening to the current situation - this is NOT right wing attacks, this is the NSA and the FBI and people are flat out telling you doing this shit gets people jail time BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE ALREADY IN JAIL FOR IT and career STAFF KNOW BETTER.

Whether you like it or not, She Screwed Up with this stuff.

And it was UNNECESSARY. She was ignoring what she didn't want to hear - work related emails have to be gotten from a work computer because hackers - and had her team using their easily hack able phones to get emails instead, and now we have a hacker IN CUSTODY who has copies of them.

Oops.

Sloppy. Criminally Stupid. VERY Bad Judgment.

Please take your fingers out of your ears and listen.

 

pdsimdars

(6,007 posts)
18. I think you got one part wrong. . . it's not because of the RW attack machine.
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 09:22 AM
Mar 2016

I had tuned that nonsense out too. But I have an open mind and when I started seeing sensible people saying things, I realized I had to at least listen.
These Hillary supporters don't WANT to listen. They are consciously avoiding listening. And that never works out well for those who do that.
It is obvious that the person who wrote this OP is not one of those RW crazies, but a very intelligent person who has the background to be informed about such things.

Response to IdaBriggs (Reply #13)

karynnj

(59,498 posts)
83. This op had nothing to do with disliking Hillary Clinton
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 01:50 PM
Mar 2016

Of course she has not been found guilty of wrong doing. First, this is still in the investigation stage. Second, the post itself suggests that it will be her aides, not her for whom there will any clear cut proof. Unlike the OP, I suspect they are not worried - secure that she almost certainly will become President. They likely remember how many pardons of people guilty in Iran/Contra were given by GHWB.

The question he asks early on, how did Blumenthal have access to very secret documents is a very troubling question. We KNOW it was not Obama's choice - as it was from him that SB was banned from getting a SD job. It is very troubling. In general for anything that secret, you need both the clearance, which he did not have, and the need to know -- and he had NO government job. It is true that people in private companies with government contracts can get both clearances and would have need to know on things they are working on.

Could Clinton have granted a contract to the Clinton Foundation to pay various people, or even just Blumenthal, as her adviser? Could she have tried a work around like that to get around Obama banning him? Is this an ultimate betrayal of all her promises to Obama? Would granting a contract to the Clinton Foundation be a conflict of interest?

Now, before Clinton supporters attack this as speculation - which it is, I ask they try to construct any other way that SB could have had legitimate access to the classified information he clearly accessed.

grasswire

(50,130 posts)
2. I have been hollering about this for some days now, here.
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 03:39 AM
Mar 2016

Your creds add some weight to the material, IMO.

Absolutely frightening.

The opinion of some, on reviewing this info, is that Hillary was running a rogue foreign policy outside the eyes of Obama, using the Foundation as bankroll and intermingling rogue activities with legit activities -- thus implicating her aides in the enterprise.

FourScore

(9,704 posts)
4. Do you remember when Obama met with Bernie a few weeks ago at the White House,
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 03:41 AM
Mar 2016

but they never disclosed what they talked about? I wonder now if Obama discussed this investigation with him.

grasswire

(50,130 posts)
5. hmmm
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 03:53 AM
Mar 2016

I do not think that would be proper. Unless Obama is really furious about her betrayal of him and there is a great game of chess going on.

 

riderinthestorm

(23,272 posts)
15. I'm not sure about that. Obama appears to be behind Hillary
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 08:40 AM
Mar 2016

I'm pretty sure that means Hillary will not be indicted and will skate on this.

There wouldn't be anything to discuss with Bernie about it since my guess is Obama's never going to let Hillary face any consequences.

Great OP by the way. Thanks for the details. I've bookmarked it.

 

Abouttime

(675 posts)
25. Yes. This is exactly what will happen
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 10:02 AM
Mar 2016

No way in hell Obama lets anything come from this 'scandal'
If Hillary faces any legal consequences it would shed the Obama administration in a bad light, so far his administration has been scandal free. To have this kind of scandal involving his former SOS and succeeding presidential candidate blow up in the summer proceeding the election would be devastating to Obama's legacy. Therefore this will be dealt with at he appropriate time, meaning Loretta Lynch will declare that the DOJ has reviewed the evidence and found no wrongdoing by Ms Clinton or her staff, end of story, let's all get along with electing Hillary.
The media will drop it other than to report Hillary has been saying this all along. Republicons who squeal will look no better than Obama birthers. Reublicons will be saddled with Trump as their candidate and they will most likely be dealing with his many skeletons and their looming disaster of the unfolding Trump fiasco. Hillary will be elected winning 40+ states, she will only serve one term paving the way for President Elizabeth Warren to succeed her.

thesquanderer

(11,972 posts)
35. re: "so far his administration has been scandal free"
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 10:55 AM
Mar 2016

It would be ironic if the one and only real scandal of the Obama administration turns out to be a Clinton scandal.

grasswire

(50,130 posts)
50. but FBI director Comey is a straight shooter.
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 01:06 PM
Mar 2016

...and it is predicted that he would resign if Lynch refuses to prosecute against his conclusion of criminality. Producing a Watergate type Saturday Night Massacre.

There's no way that this goes away in your scenario.

 

Abouttime

(675 posts)
105. Comey is a joke
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 04:00 PM
Mar 2016

Comey is a right wing hack, a former deputy of Ashcroft, his opinion will carry no authority because of his perceived bias. The Clintons will chop him up like chum just as they did to Ken Starr. If Comey recommends charges he will validate everything Hillary has been saying about 'the vast right wing conspiracy'
Hillary is safe, the Clinton machine has dirt on almost everyone in Washington, why is Bernie the only one willing to stand up to the Clintons? cause Bernie is clean, he has no skeletons. The Clintons are the most powerful couple in the world, maybe in the history of the world. Hillary will not be denied her turn at the controls of power and Obama is on board to do everything in his power to make this happen. An indictment over a matter as obscure as the handling of written information in the digital age isn't going to get off the ground, I'm sorry but the American people just don't care about Hillarys email address. Hillary will continue the bread and circuses for the commoners and the men in suits will play their game under the umbrella of uniparty kleptocracy.
Bernie has served his purpose, he has provided token competition for the Clintons, but now they need to wrap this thing up. I'm not sure if Hillary's exoneration will be the first step or the third step but sure as the sun rises tomorrow it's coming.

 

libdem4life

(13,877 posts)
135. I abhor the content in your post...but it is on point. God help us.
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 08:23 PM
Mar 2016

I hope for Clinton Fatigue...but like you say, it's unlikely. Kleptocracy at its basest/finest.

Still have some hope for at least more of a showing by Bernie Revolutionaries, but fear it is just too little, too late.

 

Abouttime

(675 posts)
149. Yes. It's come to that
Sun Mar 20, 2016, 12:36 AM
Mar 2016

But the kleptocracy is ours, the Clinton foundation and the Democratic Party.
The only consolation is it could be worse, we could be looking at another Bush.

 

libdem4life

(13,877 posts)
175. Since her first term will likely be gobbled up in fighting scandals...both real and imagined...
Sun Mar 20, 2016, 02:33 PM
Mar 2016

we'll get the chance again in 4 years. Thing is, she loves a good fight...here or abroad.

Meanwhile, we must strengthen the FDR Democratic Party, now known as Progressives, into a leftward bloc of influence.

Beowulf

(761 posts)
139. People initially didn't care much about Watergate.
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 08:36 PM
Mar 2016

Third-rate burglary. I think you underestimate Comey. His record indicates he is far from being a hack. It was Obama who appointed him as Director of the FBI.

There is one scenario you left out. Say things do go as you speculate. The House is most likely to remain in GOP control. They will be looking for any pretext to open impeachment hearings. First up, FBI agents who will detail the evidence they collected. Followed by Comey, who will discuss his recommendations to indict and how Lynch and the White House responded.

I don't see this going away, nor should it. Hillary may never be charged, but being tried in the court of public opinion would be very difficult on her and on the country.

 

Abouttime

(675 posts)
144. No way hillary gets.impeached
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 09:09 PM
Mar 2016

For a crime that happened before she was elected. As soon as hillary has the delegates sewn up the DOJ through no less than loretta lynch will give a statement giving hillary political cover. That will be enough to keep the story quiet during the campaign and assure hillary's election. Once hillary is elected the story goes away.
We all laugh about Obama playing 4 level chess, the clintons have been setting up this run for the presidency for.25 years. it's no accident there was.a private server, hillary was at.the head of the state.department and in effect she is playing chicken with the government. Hillary must be elected.to continue the status quo in Washington, I mean the establishment republicans will end up supporting her over trump.

 

libdem4life

(13,877 posts)
177. Kind of how they gave up on harranging Obama? Don't think so. It's her baggage and
Sun Mar 20, 2016, 02:44 PM
Mar 2016

since the Democrats gave her a multitude of passes on issues/bad judgment/imperialism... small and large, the Republicans will not be so kind. They hate her...and she welcomes their hate.

Even if the Obama Administration/Lynch provide political cover/whitewash for her, there will be constant "what are they hiding" charges, FOIAs, etc. I do not believe she can win the White House. Independents will not come out for her...it's that kind of crap that caused many to become independents.

Almost all polls show Bernie beating any Republican by percentages out of the MOE. The Democratic establishment wants Hillary. Not so much the general public, IMO.

The worst case scenario is another Watergate-like situation. Remember how insignificant it was in the beginning? It was peanuts compared to the potential of this.

Samantha

(9,314 posts)
157. I agree with you
Sun Mar 20, 2016, 02:27 AM
Mar 2016

I think Comey takes this very seriously, and even though the poster below calls him a hack, he does have a reputation for being a straight shooter. Here are some interesting points about him:

http://thehill.com/policy/cybersecurity/272290-comeys-fbi-makes-waves

Comey has a reputation for speaking truth to power, dating back to a dramatic confrontation in 2004 when he rushed to a hospital to stop the Bush White House from renewing a warrantless wiretapping program while Attorney General John Ashcroft was gravely ill. Comey was Ashcroft’s deputy at the time.

That showdown won Comey plaudits from both sides of the aisle and made him an attractive pick to lead the FBI. But now that he’s in charge of the agency, the president might be getting more than he bargained for.


* * *

“He takes very seriously the fact that he works for the executive branch,” added Leo Taddeo, a former agent in the FBI’s cyber division. “But he also understands the importance of maintaining his independence as a law enforcement agency that needs to give not just the appearance of independence but the reality of it.”

The split over Clinton’s email server is the most politically charged issue facing the FBI, with nothing less than the race for the White House potentially at stake.


Like many others, when this first began, I thought it was a fake scandal designed to adversely impact Clinton's campaign. Reading this and other articles this past week, and reading some of the actual emails, I changed my mind. This is an extremely serious matter with a good many dimensions to it. We here at DU tend to place politics at the top of our priorities, but speaking as one with that inside-the-Beltway mentality people like to poke fun at, I would like to say that the thing about Washington is that everyone thinks they run it. Some of those people work within the Intelligence Community and its top priority is not the political but national security. I am sure you know from historical events, the Intelligence Community would look at this with extremely serious eyes and be asking the question, is this the type of person who should be sitting in the White House handling the national security of this Country. Just looking at these mistakes Hillary has made, I believe its answer is an unequivocal "no." It is the judgment thing again that seems to constantly be in question with her.

If the decision is made that Hillary should be indicted, I believe her first instincts would be to throw her assistants under the bus and try to present herself as a simple victim of their acts. That would be a no sale. I did think President Obama would try to intervene on her behalf, but today I do not think that. If there is a definitive decision made that she committed a felony, it would be regarded as a national disgrace for him to step in and make it go away. And he does want to preserve his legacy. So while I am sure he does not want to see Bernie Sanders in the White House because of Sanders' opposition to the TPP, I believe he would have no problem with throwing Biden in at the last minute if it became apparent Hillary Clinton would be indicted. I do not know that Comey thinks she should be, but it appears he has certainly taken a very deep interest in it.

Sam

CorporatistNation

(2,546 posts)
172. Yep! This Is A Classic And Impending Debacle. Hillary Should Suspend Her Campaign For
Sun Mar 20, 2016, 02:19 PM
Mar 2016

the good of not only the party but The American People... The Totality of the hard evidence to be exploited whether she is indicted or not is without question the most extensive in the history of any presidential candidate in the history of this country. The media has demonstrated its penchant for propaganda favoring the Wall Street candidate to the detriment of DEMOCRACY.

In a General election the evidence easily available to anyone who looks for 5 minutes will be used by the opposition to eviscerate her.





 

Politicalboi

(15,189 posts)
75. Another reason she should drop out
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 01:33 PM
Mar 2016

Before the shit hits the fan. Your scenario here is laughable. So since I want to see her e-mails and transcripts I would be just like a birther? Integrity is important to me, and I won't let that go even if she is president. The media will drop it.

They better not. Although they should be talking more about this.

 

revbones

(3,660 posts)
156. Bernie came out looking really somber
Sun Mar 20, 2016, 01:18 AM
Mar 2016

I think it was either "Hey, enjoy your run but we and our donors are backing Hillary" or it was an attempt at the talk that failed - the one that you hear all candidates get, basically the "Play ball or go home" type of talk.

 

IdaBriggs

(10,559 posts)
14. You got my attention. I had just posted a bit ago
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 08:37 AM
Mar 2016

"30k emails just sounds like she is working harder - who cares?"

Then I read your thread http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1509720

Then I did some investigation and had my own little freak out
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511517415

And reading this thread, I am thinking Yup, I was heading in the right direction: Bill and the Clinton Foundation.

Oddly enough, I don't think he's being Dr. Evil - probably just bored and doing deals and getting money because he can now.

Retirement - ugh.

cui bono

(19,926 posts)
158. I was listening to a radio show with Robert Parry on it and he mentioned that he thought
Sun Mar 20, 2016, 02:38 AM
Mar 2016

that Obama was very unhappy with Hillary as SOS and that she was forced out because of it.

This all makes that seem very likely.

.

grasswire

(50,130 posts)
159. do you remember where you heard that?
Sun Mar 20, 2016, 02:41 AM
Mar 2016

I trust Robert Parry. He has been in the trenches since Iran Contra.

cui bono

(19,926 posts)
160. Well, since I've been having to get to work super early lately I think it must have been on
Sun Mar 20, 2016, 02:50 AM
Mar 2016

a morning show on KPFK. Might have been Sojourner Truth with Margaret Prescod:
http://www.sotrueradio.org/

You should be able to find the archive on http://archive.kpfk.org/, but I don't know what day it was or if it was even that show.

.

Loki

(3,825 posts)
32. I wonder when Benghazi will start to come up again.
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 10:19 AM
Mar 2016

I guess no one reads anything anymore.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/04/us/politics/security-logs-of-hillary-clintons-email-server-are-said-to-show-no-evidence-of-hacking.html

The question of whether Mrs. Clinton’s server was hacked is separate from whether a crime occurred. But if the information was never compromised, it provides a basis for her supporters to portray Mrs. Clinton’s use of a private account as a mistake, but ultimately an inconsequential one.

Barring any changes, the F.B.I. investigation could end by early May. Then the Justice Department will decide whether to file criminal charges and if so, against whom.

Federal law makes it a crime to knowingly remove classified information from secure government channels or to allow classified information to be removed through “gross negligence.”

Many of the “secret” and “top secret” emails were written or forwarded by Mrs. Clinton’s senior aides. None of the emails were marked classified at the time.



I like the last sentence: NONE OF THE EMAILS WERE MARKED CLASSIFIED AT THE TIME. Guess they should start employing psychics at State and other agencies to determine if anything will ever be marked "classified" at any time, that should do the trick and think how many psychics will be employed!!!

Jackie Wilson Said

(4,176 posts)
52. The email story is the creation of the Hillary hating GOP, which makes you wonder
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 01:08 PM
Mar 2016

why there are hundreds of threads and posts about it here.

Fawke Em

(11,366 posts)
73. But the server story is the creation of the FBI.
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 01:30 PM
Mar 2016

The server issue isn't Benghazi or emails... it really is an investigation by real investigators, not a Kangaroo Court of right-wing partisans.

Jackie Wilson Said

(4,176 posts)
76. That wouldnt exist in the first place were it not for the GOP Benghazi kangaroo court.
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 01:33 PM
Mar 2016

Anyone who promotes this story is part of the problem.

Anyone.

Fawke Em

(11,366 posts)
84. Bullshit.
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 01:53 PM
Mar 2016

I work in cyber security and fully understand the ramifications of ignoring data handling protocols. This is a very real problem and points to her flippant handling of our nation's security.

Anyone who doesn't understand the dangers she created is part of the problem.

Anyone.

And, P.S. Watergate started as a simply burglary, too. Where an investigation starts has no bearing on what becomes of it.

tex-wyo-dem

(3,190 posts)
98. Ah I see...
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 02:35 PM
Mar 2016

Any criticism of Hillary is either misogyinistic attack or a "Hillary hating" GOP creation by the VRWC.

The email/server controversy has been investigated by the FBI more months now dedicating 100+ agents. This is no Bengazi .

BlueStateLib

(937 posts)
8. 300 people sent email's to clintonmail.com
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 04:33 AM
Mar 2016

the government has since said contain classified information. Does team sanders want all 300 people indicted and stand trial along with Hillary

The bulk of the emails that State Department reviewers deemed classified were sent by career officials engaged in the day-to-day business of diplomacy. Former ambassador Dennis Ross, who has held key diplomatic posts in administrations of both parties, said that one of his exchanges now marked “secret” contained information that government officials last year allowed him to publish in a book. Princeton Lyman, a State Department veteran who served under presidents of both parties and was a special envoy to Sudan when Clinton was secretary of state, said he has been surprised and a bit embarrassed to learn that emails he wrote have been classified. He said he had learned through decades of experience how to identify and transmit classified information.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1428755
 

IdaBriggs

(10,559 posts)
16. Ah, "Team Sanders" - a not so subtle way of implying
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 08:49 AM
Mar 2016

any criticism of Hillary is obviously just someone being mean.

In answer to your question, I am not sure (about the stuff in the link).

I have observed at my places of employment how blasé people can get about the tools they need to do their job. An easy example is "lock your computer every time you walk away" but do you know how tedious it can get? Except when you are working with confidential stuff, it is company policy BECAUSE but....

So are 300 people guilty of forgetting that stuff they work on actually matters/needs to stay on secure sites? Probably more, actually. Rules for confidentiality and clearance have evolved from BEFORE electronic communication and we are incredibly blasé about it.

Have you ever watched one of the "old" (1990s) movies where everyone is looking for a thumb drive? Just send it as an email attachment or load it to a cloud server, and two hours of drama is over - you can do it on your phone, and probably not even complain about the data charge anymore.

Brave new world. Sigh.

onecaliberal

(32,784 posts)
70. The American people want EVERYONE who broke the law to face the
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 01:29 PM
Mar 2016

Consequences of their actions. Especially the career folks who damn well knew better. Why do Hillary supporters think she should be above the law. If any republican had done this you'd be calling for their heads. We are a nation of laws, this is a matter of national security. i thought you guys were tough on protecting the country.

misterhighwasted

(9,148 posts)
9. Hoping this is THEE BIG ONE!! C'mon man, it's just got to be one of those emails!!
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 06:08 AM
Mar 2016

I can feel the wishful enthusiam in you OP.
Good luck

EndElectoral

(4,213 posts)
22. Thanks. Been trying to find the apt word defining those type of irritating flippant replies. Smug.
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 09:50 AM
Mar 2016

That's the tactic which a lot of people do. It's a self satisfied retort that somehow laughs at you knowing the poster deems themselves better than you.

Again thanks for the observation and the word.

grasswire

(50,130 posts)
54. Look close.
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 01:08 PM
Mar 2016

There's a LOT of fear behind the smug.

The whole campaign is running scared, presenting as smug.

 

Human101948

(3,457 posts)
10. Move on! Nothing to see here!
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 06:42 AM
Mar 2016
It was recently revealed through Hillary’s emails that during her first year as Secretary of State she insisted that Laureate Education be included in the guest list for an education policy dinner hosted at the U.S. Department of State.

“It’s a for-profit model that should be represented,” she wrote in the August 2009 email, and as a result, a senior vice president at Laureate was added to the guest list. Several months later, former President Bill Clinton became an honorary chancellor of Laureate International Universities, which turned out to be incredibly lucrative. He was paid a cool $16.5 million between 2010 and 2014 for his role with the for-profit college.


Sure smells like corruption to me.

nc4bo

(17,651 posts)
11. Poll after poll show that HRCs favorable/unfavorables are subpar.
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 07:19 AM
Mar 2016

HRC created a reputation of untrustworthiness and she has no one to blame but that woman she sees in the mirror every morning as she brushes her teeth

She did these things and bears 100% of the blame why so many Americans see her as a corrupt, untrustworthy and lying politician.

She did that and she and her supporters should own up every last bit of it.

Response to nc4bo (Reply #11)

 

fun n serious

(4,451 posts)
130. That's not true. She didn't do it to herself...
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 08:07 PM
Mar 2016

GOP did it. In fact HRC is more honest than Sanders. Look it up. it's true

Response to nc4bo (Reply #11)

 

pdsimdars

(6,007 posts)
17. I hate reading but I made the effort for this great, fact filled article.
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 09:17 AM
Mar 2016

I didn't actually read it. I copy the text into a text reader and listen to it. WOW! I had heard hints from here and there that it wasn't about the emails, but actually hearing from someone who knows what they are talking about from experience. . . that's really worth something.

I've already seen some of the dismissive comments in this thread, but they obviously didn't read it, it's just their knee jerk (with an emphasis on "jerk&quot reaction. Many people are determined to stay ignorant.

Thanks

Waiting For Everyman

(9,385 posts)
20. I thought this was nothing until a few days ago too.
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 09:28 AM
Mar 2016

I'm still getting up to speed on this, but what I have read so far is mindblowing.

Again, she has created a huge problem that didn't need to exist, and I too think it has to do with hiding the greed and graft.

http://www.nybooks.com/daily/2016/01/30/clinton-system-donor-machine-2016-election/

Anyone who doesn't know the information at that link, doesn't know what's going on with the Clintons. It's huge and it's serious.

It's obvious that Hillary thinks that she too, like the banks, is too big to jail.

This is overwhelming arrogance. If an ego that corrupt is put (back) in the White House, with the access and far-reaching powers that go with that, it could be every bit as dangerous as Trump.

grasswire

(50,130 posts)
56. that's why she's rushing so hard to get the nomination
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 01:10 PM
Mar 2016

It is harder to indict a major party nominee than a former official.

And harder yet to indict a POTUS..

Hurry! Hurry! Get those feds off my tail!!

tex-wyo-dem

(3,190 posts)
106. Ego and arrogance is the baseline reason...
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 04:09 PM
Mar 2016

For some reason she felt it was worth the massive risk both politically and legally. The primary reason I can think of is $$$$ and influence.

This all could have been easily avoided, yet she chose to take the risk.

EndElectoral

(4,213 posts)
21. Question - is there a notation "classified" on emails, OR how are they marked "secret"?
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 09:46 AM
Mar 2016

As you are someone who has handled such type of material, I am curious exactly how this works.

An email arrives...is it marked "confidential", "secret" "classified", OR is it simply the material in it that is of a classified nature, and it is incumbent on the recipient to know it is classified?

For example, you reference Blumenthal may have copy and pasted information from his "private intelligence source" and sent it on to Clinton. In such a case any notation of classified could have not been included in the copy and paste, yet the receiver of the email would only be able to ascertain if it was classified if they knew the information was classified. OR is it the responsiblity of the receiver to know what is classified from the content itself without a label indicating it is classified material as such.

It seems this is an easy way for a third party to get around classified information. Simply copy and paste it and send it without any label indication it is classified.

Not casting any aspersions on Clinton here - just seeking information. Kind of a dangerous precedent.

 

IdaBriggs

(10,559 posts)
37. I think that is what was happening - the cut-and-paste thing.
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 11:09 AM
Mar 2016

I have no experience with this level of information, but it seems like that is what happened, based on what I have been reading.

I said earlier in the thread that rules were set up BEFORE electronic communication became commonplace. It is also easy for people who didn't "live" in "this is how we deal with secret stuff" to ignore these types of rules because they are focusing on the big picture (fix problem) and not paying attention to the tools (email, excel, word).

Which means the hackers can get stuff, which endanger the nation.

Oilwellian

(12,647 posts)
147. This email exposes Hillary's knowledge of receiving classified material
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 11:19 PM
Mar 2016

She told Jake Sullivan to remove the "identifying header" and copy and paste the content into an email sent to her unsecured server.

Read from the bottom up:

 

farleftlib

(2,125 posts)
29. +10000000
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 10:08 AM
Mar 2016

That's the way she rolls alright. That's why she wants it so bad, there's still more taxpayer dollars to pocket for her and her friends.

 

pdsimdars

(6,007 posts)
24. Got the solution
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 10:02 AM
Mar 2016

Rather than waiting for the FBI, etc. Maybe Bernie could tell her that if she drops out, for the good of the country, he will give her a full pardon.
That way, she's cleared and the country doesn't have to go through a big mess.

 

Abouttime

(675 posts)
31. I'm sorry, I too am a Bernie supporter
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 10:12 AM
Mar 2016

You need to accept the fact that right or wrong Hillary will suffer zero consequences over this.
Of course Hillary used the private server to hide the fact she was mixing Clinton Foundation 'business' with her official duties as SOS. This is the Clintons, they are pros at this game. Hillary will be the next President, especially now that it looks like Trump will be her opponent. Hillary best represents the interests of those in power all while wrapping herself in the flowery words of populism. Bernie is a direct threat to those powers as is Trump. Hillary is a lock to be the next CIC so just get used to it, the election will be little more than a formality.

grasswire

(50,130 posts)
60. Don't place your bets there.
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 01:14 PM
Mar 2016

FBI Director James Comey is a straight shooter. He will not quash a criminal referral. He would resign first. And then Obama will have a new Watergate on his hands.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,708 posts)
64. I know Hillary is smarter than me an the last thing I would do is create a paper trail if I was ...
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 01:20 PM
Mar 2016

I know Hillary is smarter than me and the last thing I would do is create a paper trail if I was up to no good. That's why I never understood this e-mail witch hunt.

Fawke Em

(11,366 posts)
78. It's not paper...
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 01:36 PM
Mar 2016

And I don't think she's very bright when it comes to data security, information technology and data handling.

That she really thought someone could "wipe" a server to begin with is the first clue that this isn't her forté.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,708 posts)
79. E-mail =paper trial.
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 01:38 PM
Mar 2016

Anybody with an I Q > room temperature knows that an e-mail sent or received is essentially saved for posterity.

Fawke Em

(11,366 posts)
81. She didn't think hers would be because it was on her private server, though.
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 01:44 PM
Mar 2016

Honestly, I don't think she thought this through.

tex-wyo-dem

(3,190 posts)
107. It wasn't just Hillary, but her aides ...
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 04:24 PM
Mar 2016

Who were leaving electronic trails sending classified materials via there Blackberrys and other non-secure means. Actions that are absolutely prohibited.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
113. Alas this is not for voters to hash out
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 06:36 PM
Mar 2016

This is why the DoJ has over 150 investigators on this. They keep raising the number. They are on a political deadline

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,708 posts)
114. Maybe if you write an indictment...
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 06:49 PM
Mar 2016
Alas this is not for voters to hash out

This is why the DoJ has over 150 investigators on this. They keep raising the number. They are on a political deadline



Maybe if you write up an indictment and put it under your pillow the Indictment Fairy will show up at Hillary's door and arrest her. Until then we beat our opponents at the ballot box. My pops got blinded in one eye by shrapnel and contacted malaria during the North Africa Campaign to defend that right.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
115. Alas that is the role of a United States Attorney
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 06:51 PM
Mar 2016

Remember, Watergate was just a simple third rate break in before it grew into what it grew I do not envy the administration one bit.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,708 posts)
116. There was a break in of Larry O'Brien's office
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 07:01 PM
Mar 2016

There was a break in of Larry O'Brien's office that the president paid hush money to cover up. Consequently the FBI was investigating a crime. In the current instance they are investigating a private server in search of a crime. Actually it's a security clearance.

If you don't see the fundamental difference between Watergate and now there is nothing I as a random internet poster can do to persuade you to see the difference...

At the end of the day it's just another partisan witch hunt by the enemies of Hill and Bill that ends up with nothing more than consensual fellatio by someone who was so proud of her sexcapades she wanted to share them.

Despite the fervent hopes, dreams, and aspirations of Secretary Clinton's opponents on the right and fringe left she will not be indicted.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
117. Well giving somebody with no clearances whatsoever
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 07:07 PM
Mar 2016

Access to classified material is a crime.

So they are not searching for one. As I said, don't envy the administration. If they charge...scandal, if they don't scandal. What can I say? I hope they chose door number one, for the sake of the country I almost guarantee a scandal regardless. And this is an own goal.

Of course, if they don't nobody will be ever be successfully charged again for mishandling this material. Oh and a low level employee would have lost their job and faced prison time.

I do not expect partisans to get it though. Ergo we are wasting our time, On the bright side, if there is an indictment at least you will not be fully able to pretend not to understand why this is happening. For the record, so we are clear, I could give a shit who YOUR PARTY NOMINATES FOR THE PRESDENCY. I am a proud independent voter. And we do analysis, and we do not give to any campaign. I dare you, to find a donation from me to any politician.

My last was in 2008. I do not fall in love with politicians and expect to be betrayed by every one of them

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,708 posts)
120. If you have evidence adduce it !!!
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 07:30 PM
Mar 2016
Well giving somebody with no clearances whatsoever
Access to classified material is a crime


If you have evidence that Secretary Clinton knowingly gave " somebody with no clearances whatsoever" classified evidence adduce it. We don't put our political opponents in the hoosegow without evidence. That's what authoritarian and totalitarian regimes do.


I could give a shit who YOUR PARTY NOMINATES FOR THE PRESDENCY. I am a proud independent voter.


Why are you here? I don't care but it is a TOS violation:



Democratic Underground is an online community for politically liberal people who understand the importance of working within the system to elect more Democrats and fewer Republicans to all levels of political office...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=termsofservice




If I am a San Francisco 49ers fan I don't patronize the San Diego Chargers message board. In that vein I don't patronize Free Republic, the Cave, and the site which shall not be mentioned either.
 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
121. It is not my job
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 07:34 PM
Mar 2016

But Sidney Blumenthal never ever had a clearance. Go over to the State Department Virtual FOIA room and you will find a shitload of those emails. He was given access to confidential info (violation) and SAP material. Those are felonies.

So let's see if DoJ charges. If not, well they are setting the stage for Watergate II

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,708 posts)
122. No he did not...
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 07:38 PM
Mar 2016

Hillary was the recipient of Blumenthal's e-mails.

If you have evidence Hillary sent Blumental classified information adduce it right now.

It's a shame people want to use the law to beat an opponent they could never beat at the ballot box. I used to play varsity basketball... It would have been like my hoping the opposing team's best player broke his leg...

Enjoy Hillary as 45...Live it ... Breathe it...Love it...

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
123. No my dear
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 07:43 PM
Mar 2016

He did not get material from SAP material, generated by NSA, from thin air.

We are done, I cannot wait for the scandal. Either way, one is happening. It is self generated. It is not just hubris...as many others here think. It is paranoia, but it is an own goal. She metaphorically shot herself in the foot.

I do hope I got enough popcorn. Because this will be a hell of a show.

And if there is no scandal, and somehow they manage to squash it, I never want to hear again about corruption abroad. Amirite. Because this would be historic levels of impunity and corruption for the United States. But oligarchies work that way.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
125. So nsa is so insecure he got it magically?
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 07:57 PM
Mar 2016

Because that is what you are saying. He got those SAP (special access, like super classified) from somebody with clearance. He did not get it from a random employee at NSA, guaranteed.

Watergate started like a third rate break in. The crime was the coverup. I suspect we are going down a similar path. I will remind you that by the end of Watergate none voted for Nixon and none liked him.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,708 posts)
127. Why would he send information to Hillary that you say Hillary sent to him?
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 08:04 PM
Mar 2016

What part of we beat our opponents at the ballot box and don't sick law enforcement on them don't you understand?


 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
134. Sanders did not sick the FBI or the Inspector General on her
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 08:22 PM
Mar 2016

I doubt Sanders understands how serious this is. Suffice it to say, people who get it, are not amused. This is a highly technical story. I mean the highly technical part. It will forever taint Obama's legacy, for example. But this has not one bit to do with elections. The fact you keep going to that tells me you really don't get it. Most Americans don't handle fhis material. Or highly partisan people don't want to get it. I suspect that if you sat down with somebody who has, and is not partisan, and they took you step by step, you might understand the issue.

So we are clear, this has Butkis to do with the election, but all to do with national security.

Some of the people I have spoken with are veterans of the panoply of services that have handled this kind of material. They are not amused. It has nothing to do with elections. They would be facing jail time if they did this.

If it gets as far as Watergate party elders will have exactly the same conversation GOP elders had with Nixon...you need to step down for the good of the country and all that good stuff.

One side of me is going...have all this before the convention. My more evil side is going...have her elected. The impeachment will be fun. And yes, republicans will go there. And unlike a BJ in the 1990s...there are real crimes here, most likely. Hey, I can't wait for 1, possibly 2 brokered conventions. What's not to like!!! But political instability (a whole different kettle of fish) is really not that much fun.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,708 posts)
141. You have a habit...
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 08:48 PM
Mar 2016

You have a habit of wearing down your interlocutor with repetitive posting... Well, that tactic doesn't work with DemocratSinceBirth. You are libeling somebody I admire and I rather have a stroke than let you have the last word...Let that sink in...

The fact that you would turn the use of a private e-mail server into the crime of the century and say it's worse than Watergate reveals more about you than it can ever reveal about me...

The lines are drawn...The battle has been engaged... I will not let you have the last word...

Go ahead, it's your turn now... I have the rest of my life to respond.


 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
142. Libel does not apply to people making their living in the public eye
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 08:53 PM
Mar 2016

Neither does slander.

Regardless, there is an actual FBI investigation, and another by multiple inspector generals the
FBI does not do civil investigations. Notice, I did not even mention the origin of this, the civil lawsuit over FOIA. We might not like those folks, (judicial watch) but watergate started with a third rate break in.

And please don't let me have the last word. The law is what it is and the facts don't care so please proceed, if you think this is war, the impeachment will be fun. Assuming it gets that far.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,708 posts)
143. Watergate, impeachment, indictments....
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 08:55 PM
Mar 2016

Someone is going to be shooting melons in their backyard soon, simulating the suicide of Vince Foster.

tblue37

(65,227 posts)
166. LOL--"sick" {sic}. Forgive me, but as a grammar guru I cannot resist a "{sic}" joke!
Sun Mar 20, 2016, 01:33 PM
Mar 2016
ON EDIT: For those who don't get the 3-way (or maybe 4-way!) pun--

The word intended is "sic"--i.e., "we don't sic. . . ."

When one is quoting exactly a passage with a grammar or usage error, one writes an italicized "sic" next to the error, in square brackets (which won't fly on DU because that's how DU identifies HTML tags). It means "thus" in Latin, and it indicates that the quoting writer recognizes the errorbut is including it because it is "thus" in the original.

Then I used "{sic} as a pun for "sick," which is the word originally used in place of "sic" in the post I responded to. (Of course, I couldn't italcize my {sic} in the subject line.)

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,708 posts)
167. Before I used it I checked the definition of sick and sic and neither seemed appropriate.
Sun Mar 20, 2016, 01:36 PM
Mar 2016

But I know my friend use to holler at his dog "sick ? sic Him" to scare someone he didn't like. The dog was on a leash , of course.

tblue37

(65,227 posts)
168. "Sic" is an attack command; it is an archaic derivation from the verb "to seek."
Sun Mar 20, 2016, 01:56 PM
Mar 2016

Its preferred past tense and past participle are both "sicced," though "sicked" is becoming accepted through common usage. (The present participle is "siccing.&quot

BTW, though still not preferred, the spelling you chose ("sick&quot is actually an acknowledged variant of the infinitive and present tense in descriptive dictionaries like Merriam-Webster.

IOW, I didn't need to make a big deal about it, and didn't really mean to. But how could I resist such a deliciously tempting multivalent pun? We grammarians don't have all that many grammar and usage jokes to share when interacting with normal people.

tblue37

(65,227 posts)
170. It is that, too. If you read my edit of my original response, in which I explain the nuances of the
Sun Mar 20, 2016, 02:06 PM
Mar 2016

you will see that the existence of those two different words (which are nevertheless spelled the same) is the very foundation of my 3- or 4-way pun.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,708 posts)
171. I would know better than to put "sick" after a misspelled word, though that would be funny.
Sun Mar 20, 2016, 02:10 PM
Mar 2016

Is it appropriate to use "sic" after a word to denote irony?

One of my regrets is goofing off during English classes...

tblue37

(65,227 posts)
173. No. "Sic" is an editorial insertion for acknowledging errors in quoted material and thus
Sun Mar 20, 2016, 02:24 PM
Mar 2016

protecting oneself from being blamed for the errors. Since academics are famous for combing through colleagues' work--and everyone else's--to nitpick errors, such protection is needed. I know my jokey post was just that zort of nitpicking, but considering the layering of the pun, surely you can see why I found it irresistible.

Here is why the editorial "sic" is essential when quoting, though: A quoted passage must be quoted exactly, unless the quoting writer clearly indicates (with ellipsis points and/or square-bracketed editorial emendations) precisely where he has changed the original. "Sic" just shows that the quoting writer is aware of errors in the passage he is quoting.

tblue37

(65,227 posts)
176. No quotation marks when you paraphrase, and since you are paraphrasing,
Sun Mar 20, 2016, 02:40 PM
Mar 2016

you must use your own words anyway (to avoid charges of plagiarism), so any errors in your paraphrase are going to be your own, and therefore you can't "sic" them away--and probably won't even realize they are there, since you wouldn't make the error if you knew it to be an error.

As for your second question: I teach English at KU.

I also have a popular website called Grammar and Usage for the Non-Expert, where I post my targeted articles about specific grammar and usage issues that even many otherwise good writers feel iffy about. As the site's title indicates, I assume no prior grammatical expertise on the part of my readers, which is probably one reason why my site analytics (not the cheesy hit counters on each article) show over 12 million readers worldwide for that site. I pride myself on making grammar and usage explanations accessible to people who don't want to wade throgh a lot of technical jargon.

Here is a link:

http://www.grammartips.homestead.com/index.html

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,708 posts)
178. I am a huge sports fan. Wilt went to University Of Kansas, Mario Chalmers too...
Sun Mar 20, 2016, 06:12 PM
Mar 2016

Did you teach the latter?


Should I say avid instead of huge because I am only of slightly larger than average size?

tblue37

(65,227 posts)
179. No, but Drew Gooden took my intro to poetry class. Football players Gilbert Brown and
Sun Mar 20, 2016, 06:18 PM
Mar 2016

Dana Stubblefield both took 3 classes from me, and plenty of the Jayhawk basketball players were in my classes over the years.

I don't follow sports at all, but I teach required courses at hours that suit athletes' schedules.

tblue37

(65,227 posts)
181. When he was trying to decide whether to go pro, fans squawked loudly at him to stay at KU.
Sun Mar 20, 2016, 07:05 PM
Mar 2016

Once during a conference he asked for my opinion. I told him that if he were my son I would say go pro, because the main reason most people go to college is to get certification for a career. He was being offered a chance to earn millions doing the job he most wanted to do. I said that the fans were concerned only with their own gratfication, and if he stayed and then suffered a career-ending injury that prevented him from going pro (as happened to another of my students back in 1987), those fans were NOT going to buy his mother a house.

Then there were those who told him that he needed to "finish his education" first. I pointed out that Shaquille O'Neill proved that a young athlete who really wanted an education could always go back to complete his degree--and as a pro, he would have plenty of money to do that if he ever decided he wanted to.

Drew was pretty surprised at my take on it. He figured that if anyone would say to stay in college, it would be an English teacher who had no interest at all in spectator sports. But I think my total lack of interest is probably why I could be objective. Because I don't care about basketball, I wasn't upset at the idea of our team losing a star player. I like to see the kids win, but only because I don't like to see young people sad and feeling bad about themselves. In competitive sports, almost everyone is among the losers most of the time. Learning to lose is undoubtedly good for them, but I still like to see their joy when they have won. It's my Mommy genes, I think. My college students are legal adults,, but really, they're still just kids.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
112. Well they just formatted the drive once
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 06:34 PM
Mar 2016

Try not to laugh too hard. Mom is getting a new computer. Old one will be formatted 7 times, and she has nothing of real concern there

 

IdaBriggs

(10,559 posts)
41. Bigger than just the campaign, unfortunately.
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 11:40 AM
Mar 2016

Remember the last guy who got impeached? Seriously, who actually thought we would hear about that stuff for as long as we did? And that "blue dress" would become coded short hand for "doesn't like to swallow during oral sex"?

Do you honestly believe that *if* his wife gets elected, she won't be spending her entire term being investigated? I am confident beyond measure Republicans wouldn't mind doing a second Clinton impeachment.

ON EDIT: And with the investigation starting during Obama's term, plenty of plausible cover and a great opportunity to paint the Dems as irresponsible for even putting her up when they KNOW what is going on.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,708 posts)
49. The late 90s rocked...
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 12:46 PM
Mar 2016

I lived in FL at the time... We would argue about impeachment in the steam room at the Ballys In Casselberry, Florida while Greg Fox, the political reporter for WESH just sat there sweating and watching us silently. I can't imagine what he was thinking.

The day he was acquitted by the Senate I ordered a pizza from Papa Johns and ate the whole damn thing by myself, just as I did after the Benghazi hearing.

Punkingal

(9,522 posts)
34. I would like to know where Sidney Blumenthal got his information.
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 10:24 AM
Mar 2016

And why was he sending information to the SOS..information one would think she had access to, and he didn't. It seems very odd to me. And worrisome.

I will say this, before I get attacked as a Hillary hater because I support Bernie. I am a Democrat before I am anything else, and I am worried about this stuff, not because it is a RW attack, but because it is an FBI investigation. And if Hillary is our nominee, I don't want this stuff biting us in the ass during the GE. It scares me, if for no other reason than what the PERCEPTION of shady stuff will do to our chances in the GE.

And what if she is elected and it explodes on us? It is just a big mess we could have lived without.

 

DemocracyDirect

(708 posts)
36. Does anybody know if she could have given her system access to Blumenthal?
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 11:07 AM
Mar 2016

And he was acting as an assistant in reviewing the info in the system.

Perhaps he has advantages because of his technical abilities or familiarity with such materials.

Thus he would be observing and sending info he felt was important for her roles as Sec State and member of Clinton Foundation.

Could this explain what was going on?

 

IdaBriggs

(10,559 posts)
38. Blumenthal was BANNED by the White House.
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 11:15 AM
Mar 2016

Clinton Foundation was paying him $120k a year. He and Hillary were communicating about stuff the White House had specifically said he shouldn't be involved in using the "back door email server". Turns out his information was also WRONG in many cases.

Punkingal

(9,522 posts)
40. She had him involved even though Obama said no to him.
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 11:27 AM
Mar 2016

I don't get how Obama can support her, or trust her, as he seems to do.

 

DemocracyDirect

(708 posts)
42. Yes I know.
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 11:46 AM
Mar 2016

I work in IT and I am just trying to understand what she was doing.

As a busy hub I can imagine she didn't have time to keep an eye on Intelligence.

Could she have given her access to Blumenthal?

This would be a boon for her to have someone who could look for info that would advance her work as Sec State and her work for the Clinton Foundation.

I will not comment on the legality or ethics involved because that is not my area.

 

IdaBriggs

(10,559 posts)
58. IT here too. Did you see this post --
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 01:12 PM
Mar 2016
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1524355

The (NSA) Agency investigated this compromise and determined that Mr. Blumenthal’s highly detailed account of Sudanese goings-on, including the retelling of high-level conversations in that country, was indeed derived from NSA intelligence. Specifically, this information was illegally lifted from four different NSA reports, all of them classified Top Secret / Special Intelligence. Worse, at least one of those reports was issued under the GAMMA compartment, which is an NSA handling caveat that is applied to extraordinarily sensitive information (for instance, decrypted conversations between top foreign leadership, as this was). GAMMA is properly viewed as a SIGINT Special Access Program or SAP, several of which from CIA Ms. Clinton compromised in another series of her “unclassified” emails. Currently serving NSA officials have told me they have no doubt that Mr. Blumenthal’s information came from their reports. “It’s word-for-word, verbatim copying,” one of them explained. “In one case, an entire paragraph was lifted from an NSA report” that was classified Top Secret / Special Intelligence. How Sid Blumenthal got his hands on this information is the key question, and there’s no firm answer yet. The fact that he was able to take four separate highly classified NSA reports – none of which he was supposed to have any access to – and pass the details of them to Hillary Clinton via email only hours after NSA released them in Top Secret / Special Intelligence channels, indicates something highly unusual—as well as illegal—was going on.


For a guy who was BANNED with NO CLEARANCE - yikes!






karynnj

(59,498 posts)
86. Do we know that HRC did not get him clearance for work done for the Clinton Foundation?
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 02:02 PM
Mar 2016

The big question might be how he got access, with or without clearance, to so much secret information -- that question might have some frightening answers. Bigger than what he emailed Clinton on her server.

grasswire

(50,130 posts)
91. apparently the NSA wonders the same thing
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 02:20 PM
Mar 2016

How did Blumenthal have access to the highest classified NSA communications? Pieces of NSA communications were copied verbatim into Blumenthal emails.

karynnj

(59,498 posts)
94. Is there one central organization that controls clearances?
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 02:26 PM
Mar 2016

Does the State Department have the ability to grant clearances on their own? It's strange, but I never questioned before who issues clearances. I had one in the 1970s, but other than filling in paperwork that Bell Labs gave me to fill in - all I knew was that it was granted.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
136. The services do their own investigations
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 08:31 PM
Mar 2016

The civilian side, depending on level and all that good stuff, can be done internally. Those would be very high.. Or they have contractors do it. See Snowden. A lot of this crap, thank both Dems and Rs for this, has been privatized.

grasswire

(50,130 posts)
66. Heck, Blumenthal was employed by the Foundation, too.
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 01:24 PM
Mar 2016

$120,000/year.

AND he was simultaneously working to gin up private business for himself in Libya.

grasswire

(50,130 posts)
65. did you google Tyler Drumheller?
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 01:22 PM
Mar 2016

I promise that you will find fascinating reading about Blumenthal's source.

Information from many sources on all sides of the aisle. But the facts are not in dispute.

Waiting For Everyman

(9,385 posts)
163. Sandy Berger too -- another blast from the past.
Sun Mar 20, 2016, 08:08 AM
Mar 2016

According to the Wikileaks emails (which were just made searchable), he was on Hillary's staff again until he died last December, unfortunately before investigators could talk to him.

There are lots of emails between him, Hillary, and her staff, notably some on how to handle Netanyahu.

Her inner staff is looking more and more like the Watergate plumbers 2.0. A big theme that recurs among them, antisemitism.

More tidbits: Blumenthal's and Sy Hersh's sons both work at HuffPo. Bob Woodward is confirmed to be an "FBI asset, career dependent". And Sy Hersh hates Woodward.

I knew before Watergate, that Woodward used to brief General Haig, so I was always a bit wary of him. Interesting gossip.

In other news, Judicial Watch is subpoenaing 7 of Hillary's aides (don't know when, but soon) and JW reserves the right to depose HRC herself. My guess is they want the aides' info to get the most out of the Hillary deposition. I don't think she'd be likely to make it out of that without hitting a trip-wire somewhere.

grasswire

(50,130 posts)
99. I think the answer lies in this Bloomberg article
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 02:59 PM
Mar 2016

http://www.bloombergview.com/articles/2015-10-22/clinton-says-source-of-libya-intelligence-was-a-mystery

Tyler Drumheller. Read about him at the link, and google him for many articles about him.

From the article:

Blumenthal and Drumheller worked on the Libya memos with Cody Shearer, a longtime Clinton family friend and Democratic political operative. This was revealed in 2013, when a hacker posted a tranche of e-mails between Blumenthal and Clinton. Blumenthal, Drumheller and Shearer discussed their dealings with retired General David Grange, the chief executive officer of a company named Osprey, which we reported was seeking State Department contracts in Libya after the war.

Clinton said on Thursday that Blumenthal’s e-mails did not influence her policy decisions. But in some cases Clinton's private e-mails contradict this. For example, Politico reported on an e-mail from the State Department's chief of policy planning, Jake Sullivan, who wrote that Blumenthal's ideas were being incorporated in a speech Clinton was planning.

Republicans on the committee have compared Blumenthal's access to Clinton to that of Ambassador Stevens. Representative Mike Pompeo asked if Stevens had Clinton's personal e-mail, cell phone, home address and fax machine number, which Blumenthal, he said, used to contact her.

Major Hogwash

(17,656 posts)
39. The Inspector General is taking this matter very seriously.
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 11:16 AM
Mar 2016

But, here at DU, many of her supporters live in a constant state of denial.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,708 posts)
43. "Keep hope alive." (REDUX)
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 11:49 AM
Mar 2016

Maybe if you write out an indictment and put it under your pillow the Indictment Fairy will arrest Secretary Clinton.



amborin

(16,631 posts)
45. staggeringly unacceptable behavior; just mind-boggling; have the 30K deleted emails ever been recove
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 12:13 PM
Mar 2016

recovered?

sink them? unimaginably huge coverup? nothing?

Vinca

(50,237 posts)
48. At this point its almost not worth debating.
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 12:44 PM
Mar 2016

Apparently we are going to have to wait for either a "case closed, no charges" from the FBI or an indictment of Hillary and/or her associates. I just wish it would happen before she is officially nominated. We can't afford to be on this tightrope with Trump as the other candidate.

grasswire

(50,130 posts)
68. You can bet that Trump is up to speed, and salivating.
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 01:27 PM
Mar 2016

She is skating as fast as she can to get the Get Out Of Jail Free card.

The Clinton RACKET needs to be exposed. Circumventing the president's instructions. Corruption. Money laundering through the Foundation.

Vinca

(50,237 posts)
95. I wouldn't be surprised to see the worst case scenario happen for her.
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 02:26 PM
Mar 2016

She probably shouldn't have run in the first place with this hanging over her head, but we're stuck with it now.

grasswire

(50,130 posts)
97. yes...and it is pretty narcissistic..
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 02:32 PM
Mar 2016

..to drag the whole country along with her on this frantic try to escape her deeds.

grasswire

(50,130 posts)
72. If, by the first phase, you mean "classified" vs. "not classified"
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 01:30 PM
Mar 2016

....I would DEFINITELY agree that Clinton's defense was propaganda.

A limited hangout. A Rovian trick. Offer up a crumb of deniability and get the world to focus on it, while concealing a much larger culpability.

Fawke Em

(11,366 posts)
67. It's also about who saw that content.
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 01:24 PM
Mar 2016

Her server was ridiculously unsecure. And the U.S., China and Russia pay hackers to break in where ever they can and find out state secrets.

You can bet money China and/or Russia got into that server and saw a lot - whether it was classified or not at the time is immaterial. The fact is that Clinton would be privy to classified, sensitive, secret and top secret info through her position and rightfully so. But, as such, she is also a target for state-sponsored hackers.

Hell, from what I've read, her server was so unsecure, a 12-year-old hacker newbie could have compromised it, much less professional and paid expert hackers.

I had long suspected this was what the FBI was looking at, but, when it came out that Bryan Pagliano was given immunity, I KNEW that is what the FBI is looking for.

Dem2

(8,166 posts)
77. Banghazi!!!
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 01:34 PM
Mar 2016

This is getting ridiculous. I feel like I'm on reddit and the RWNJ's are having a field day.

Fawke Em

(11,366 posts)
82. Sigh. This is NOT Benghazi.
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 01:49 PM
Mar 2016


Benghazi was the brain child of right-wing kooks. This is a serious investigation involving more than 100 FBI agents.

If true, this is a violation of data security protocol and is highly illegal.

Stop pretending this is the same thing as Benghazi. It's not.

Dem2

(8,166 posts)
85. Right-wing kooks initiated this investigation
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 01:55 PM
Mar 2016

in an all-out effort to get something on Hillary, as admitted to by the committee chair - like it or not!!

You're participating in a "get Hillary" lynching.

Fawke Em

(11,366 posts)
88. Watergate started as a third-rate burglary, too.
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 02:11 PM
Mar 2016

Just because the initial crime isn't much of one doesn't mean that investigations don't lead to more serious criminal behavior.

You're participating in ostriching - you're sticking your head in the sand in regards to this investigation.

Look, I thought Benghazi was a stupid, taxpayer-dollar-wasting investigation, but this is another kettle of fish. I happen to work in cyber security. I don't take this investigation lightly.

Dem2

(8,166 posts)
89. Watergate!!!!!
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 02:13 PM
Mar 2016

OMFG, this is insane - I'm only going to say "BENGHAZI!!!" to these posts from now on.

The vile despicable hatred and need to destroy Hillary to disqualify her is over-the-top out-of-bounds.

This is insane. Insane. Just nuts.

Fawke Em

(11,366 posts)
90. Yes, Watergate.
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 02:19 PM
Mar 2016

You know what's insane? That Hillary partisans want her in office so badly that they are willing to overlook that she might have allowed our enemies to view our nation's secrets so she wouldn't be inconvenienced.

And, when you yell, "Benghazi," I'll yell, "Ostrich" back.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
111. Yup watergate
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 06:31 PM
Mar 2016

And like Watergate I expect denial that you ever liked her after the fact. By the way, most of the nation had a meh reaction to it, until they did not

grasswire

(50,130 posts)
92. honestly, you need to read more
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 02:21 PM
Mar 2016

You are participating in a propaganda blitz. Think for yourself.

Fawke Em

(11,366 posts)
93. "My biggest fear now is that indictments will begin during the general election."
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 02:22 PM
Mar 2016

Yep.

This is why the Republicans are apoplectic about Trump's success. He wasn't supposed to get this far. They had a plan that Rubio or Bush would come out on top and be a shoe-in once they unloaded this mess onto Clinton.

If you think about it, the media blackouts on this issue and on Bernie Sanders are designed just to do that: get Clinton the nomination and then slide their own despot in.

But... a funny thing happened on the way to the nomination...

grasswire

(50,130 posts)
96. the country is in real jeopardy right now
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 02:30 PM
Mar 2016

And the argument isn't really about Trump or Bernie, or liberalism v. conservatism.

The fight is for control of the spoils. Who gets to make billions? Who gets to make war? Who gets to sell off American interests in favor of globalism? Who gets to command imperialism? Who gets to write history?

The combatants are not Hillary and Bernie. Think bigger. The combatants are HillaryBillWallStreetCorporatistsGlobalMeddlers v. Trump representing the Know Nothings and their guns -- and those are fronting for his own private interests in globalism and crony capitalism.

Both the first and the latter will break America. Suffering will increase in the populace.

Bernie is on another track totally. His presidency would get money out of primacy. He would heal. He would mend. He would seek peace and prosperity for ALL.

Response to FourScore (Original post)

FourScore

(9,704 posts)
129. Yeah. It's too bad 120-150 FBI agents have fallen for right wing talking points.
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 08:07 PM
Mar 2016

Despite it all, welcome to DU, ddemm!

Response to FourScore (Reply #129)

 

riderinthestorm

(23,272 posts)
138. This is Obama's FBI, not some right wing conspiracy.
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 08:35 PM
Mar 2016

Its a neutral body investigating. A lot. Over 150 FBI investigators

Tarc

(10,472 posts)
146. I swear there's a half-dozen new Emailgate threads per day
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 09:11 PM
Mar 2016

One has to wonder why Bernie's supporters persist with a dead issue that the man himself dismissed months ago.

 

Sheepshank

(12,504 posts)
150. Yawn...when a "Democrat" yells the equivalent of Benghazi!
Sun Mar 20, 2016, 12:39 AM
Mar 2016

It's getting fucking ridiculous, old, overused and pathetic

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