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Chichiri

(4,667 posts)
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 03:43 AM Mar 2016

Why do you feel that we are trying to prevent Democratic voters from voting?

Nobody, I repeat, nobody is suggesting you shouldn't vote.

I do suggest that you should vote for Hillary, but I'm not lifting so much as a toenail to stop you from voting for Bernie -- any more than I tried to stop Iowans from voting for Bernie!

Even if Hillary has clinched the nomination before California votes, people in California should still vote! It's how democracy works!

And if it feels like the Californian vote is not worth as much, or nothing at all, I suggest you follow my example and advocate a single nationwide primary day for the Party. It does suck, I agree. But until the Party changes it, it is what it is.

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Scootaloo

(25,699 posts)
3. I like how you blame disenfranchised voters for their own disenfranchisement.
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 03:57 AM
Mar 2016

There's a sound strategy for enstilling trust and cooperation.

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
4. The Democratic primary and caucus schedule leaves the very, very liberal states that border
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 03:58 AM
Mar 2016

the Pacific ocean to vote last.

The very conservative states vote first. Because of the bandwagon or momentum effect, that means that voters think that the conservative candidate, in this case, Hillary, will win and that they should vote for her.

It's a rigged system.

That is why we Bernie supporters in California are saying we will vote for other Democrats on our ballots but not for Hillary. That is certainly my stance.

If the Democratic Party has decided to pick the nominee without the input of the progressives in the party, then I assume they don't value our votes for the November election.

I really, strongly do not trust or like Hillary. I think she is a terrible candidate who will lose to Trump.

Why? It's not just that I don't personally like her.

It's that Americans are generally very angry about our trade policy, and the Clintons including Hillary are strongly associated with that policy. Americans are not angry about that policy for no reason. It has cost us jobs and caused our living standard in an economy that is improving in other parts of the world to stagnate and decline. That's bad news for Democrats because this has happened under a Democratic president.

Trump opposes our trade policy. That gives him and advantage over Hillary that he does not have over Bernie who also opposes our trade policy.

For that and a number of other reasons, I think that Hillary is a very bad choice for our candidate. I think that Bernie is a good choice.

Campaign finance is also an important issue to me as is the environment. On these issues also, Hillary is not really an acceptable candidate while Bernie is very strong.

I can tell you precisely why the system is rigged for Hillary. A few years ago I was talking to a woman who is very active in the Democratic Party in California. I told her I liked Elizabeth Warren and hoped she would run for president. My friend told me, no, the candidate was going to be Hillary because Hillary was the only one who could have the money to run.

The decision about who the Party wanted to win the primary was made years ago. The primary votes are just a formality.

I object to that. It is not democratic. It is pure oligarchy. The money is the major consideration in picking our candidate.

I am so proud that Bernie has shunned that sell-out system of funding his campaign.

I am very sad for our democracy. If Hillary is the nominee, it will be confirmed for me that we have not democracy at all. The presidency is simply up for sale to the highest bidders. Very sad. Do I sound bitter? Yes. I am. I am not just someone who posts on DU for fun. I have been very active in my local Democratic Party. And I see that the game is rigged even in the Democratic Party. Very sad.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
8. In 2008 CA voted early, Super Tuesday. CA went to Hillary.
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 10:55 AM
Mar 2016

This time CA went back to the old timing. CA, my home State and inherent culture, is much like Prince's mother, she's never satisfied.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
6. Can't stop determined victims from stabbing
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 04:47 AM
Mar 2016

themselves in the emotional eye any time it can't find something real to resent.

"Disenfranchized?" Good grief! This is citizenship in action?

I'm a Californian who spent 30 of my voting years there. Why did I never behave this way? My theory: I lack the "I want!" whining gene.

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