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marions ghost

(19,841 posts)
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 08:32 AM Mar 2016

Report Of High Level DNC Infiltration In N. Carolina Sanders Campaign

Cross-posted from the Video/multimedia forum:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1017340584

This UNC student organizer's report about suppression of student organizers (and others) in North Carolina.

Wow--what he is alleging is worrying. Please everyone, no matter your candidate-- take a minute to hear this guy out. He talks fast, but you can get the gist. He seems credible. There is always corruption in NC politics, but this time it appears to be democrat on democrat.

Very powerful statement.

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Report Of High Level DNC Infiltration In N. Carolina Sanders Campaign (Original Post) marions ghost Mar 2016 OP
It was very disturbing. Especially the mayor, NAACP folk, and others who wanted to endorse peacebird Mar 2016 #1
Thanks marions ghost Mar 2016 #2
We need to find out the name of the person he refers to and do some research peacebird Mar 2016 #3
dear god I wish I were surprised but that'd mean it rarely happens. nc4bo Mar 2016 #4
Who is the "they" he's talking about? sufrommich Mar 2016 #5
The gentlemen said he is a paralegal. DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2016 #6
Dont appropriate the beliefs of my people SwampG8r Mar 2016 #20
You may not realize this but your comparison to Ghost Dancers is offensive regardless. PufPuf23 Mar 2016 #24
The destruction of the American Indian is the biggest black mark on our nation. DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2016 #26
The Aryan race felt the exact same way when Hitler came along to save them. Kip Humphrey Mar 2016 #31
If you believe there is a nexus between Hillary and the Holocaust there is nothing ... DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2016 #32
Mmph! bvf Mar 2016 #79
Cut your losses and apologize. PufPuf23 Mar 2016 #35
Four points DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2016 #37
Thank you. nt PufPuf23 Mar 2016 #39
You're welcome DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2016 #40
Non apology apology SwampG8r Mar 2016 #51
It is highly offensive. H2O Man Mar 2016 #29
The Ghost Dance DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2016 #34
One of us H2O Man Mar 2016 #36
I genuinely like and respect you. DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2016 #38
Sitting Bull was H2O Man Mar 2016 #42
I understand that... DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2016 #45
Is that a typo??? "melee" kdmorris Mar 2016 #55
My comments in their entirety suggest I didn't characterize it as anything less than a massacre. DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2016 #57
Suggesting it was a "melee" makes it sound like the Lakota participated kdmorris Mar 2016 #58
Thank you for editing... I appreciate it. n/t kdmorris Mar 2016 #59
No problem... DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2016 #60
Most accepted white version you mean. SwampG8r Mar 2016 #52
+1 kdmorris Mar 2016 #64
+1! NWCorona Mar 2016 #89
He named some in a second video. mmonk Mar 2016 #9
Clinton supporters working within the Sanders campaign?? sufrommich Mar 2016 #10
Hence my Ghost Dancers allusion... DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2016 #12
Seems there were some placed in there by the party. mmonk Mar 2016 #13
He's literally accusing Sanders campaign staff of sufrommich Mar 2016 #14
WOOSH!! HerbChestnut Mar 2016 #66
Your attempts at being deliberately obtuse are not fooling anybody n/t arcane1 Mar 2016 #76
Do you not understand? marions ghost Mar 2016 #63
Nope, wrong-- marions ghost Mar 2016 #62
The Clinton supporters don't care about the truth. All hail the Clinton Aristocracy. rhett o rick Mar 2016 #7
His accusations are aimed at his fellow Sanders supporters. sufrommich Mar 2016 #8
I gotta admit it confuses me Armstead Mar 2016 #23
Here is a 2nd video where Niko names the people he claims were involved in the obstruction think Mar 2016 #28
This guy went in! NWCorona Mar 2016 #90
Oligarchy! KittyWampus Mar 2016 #46
Oligarchy Sycophants bow before the golden calf, the god of wealth. rhett o rick Mar 2016 #54
i've shared the video to fb barbtries Mar 2016 #11
Sounds more like bull shit. misterhighwasted Mar 2016 #15
The person provided names, dates, and plenty of other information for anyone FlatBaroque Mar 2016 #16
This message was self-deleted by its author NCTraveler Mar 2016 #19
Pathetic try at deflection. Fail. And 'bye! djean111 Mar 2016 #21
TEAM BLUE! TEAM BLUE! ABORT!! ABORT! THEY'RE ON TO US!! LOL wyldwolf Mar 2016 #17
It's hard to laugh at this anymore. Really. KittyWampus Mar 2016 #44
It's easy to laugh at this wyldwolf Mar 2016 #50
Wow. Sanders campaign is eating their own. Nt NCTraveler Mar 2016 #18
Kick UglyGreed Mar 2016 #22
We've heard this song and dance before, excuses excuses excuses when Bernie loses a state Tarc Mar 2016 #25
Sad thing is, there's one campaign that's stolen data and engaged in KittyWampus Mar 2016 #43
Thanks for reminding me I forgot to put you on ignore n/t TDale313 Mar 2016 #48
It is a shame that this is the m.o. for some Sanders supporters Tarc Mar 2016 #72
Its never Sanders fault is it?!? hunh !? really?! uponit7771 Mar 2016 #27
Spare us your useless sarcasm. Naughty list you go. desmiller Mar 2016 #47
There are things going on in the background nadinbrzezinski Mar 2016 #30
Right --it is ugly marions ghost Mar 2016 #68
They wil see the results nadinbrzezinski Mar 2016 #69
Yes I am afraid so marions ghost Mar 2016 #71
Hey, look on the bright side nadinbrzezinski Mar 2016 #74
I expect a spectacle marions ghost Mar 2016 #78
This is the FB page of one of the people he claims is a Hillary plant Lucinda Mar 2016 #33
But the Facebook Post show Aisha in Photo Op with DWS KoKo Mar 2016 #81
So what? Aisha is a Dem leader in her state, posing with the national party leader in the pic you Lucinda Mar 2016 #83
Nico also posted a link to her twitter page and prior to December 2015 dana_b Mar 2016 #82
So? Lucinda Mar 2016 #85
mm'okay dana_b Mar 2016 #87
Hey if you want to attack Bernie's state director cause some guy on the internet Lucinda Mar 2016 #88
Thank You! Fair and Balanced.! KoKo Mar 2016 #86
Mark Halperin asked Sanders earlier in the process about not knowing so well the people who would Skwmom Mar 2016 #41
John Uretsky has been involved in Democratic politics for several years UglyGreed Mar 2016 #56
So many people think marions ghost Mar 2016 #77
Wouldn't the Sanders people know if their people are working for the other side? LiberalFighter Mar 2016 #49
The students for Sanders found out the hard way it seems marions ghost Mar 2016 #65
The first person he names is Bernie's NC State Director. It's ridiculous. n/t Lucinda Mar 2016 #67
OK well I would like to hear her statement and answer to this marions ghost Mar 2016 #70
My guess is they were targetting campus groups Merryland Mar 2016 #53
That is exactly my take on it marions ghost Mar 2016 #61
Heard from a Progressive Group activist KoKo Mar 2016 #73
Thanks Koko marions ghost Mar 2016 #75
Thanks KoKo - from my experience it could also have been money. blm Mar 2016 #80
Thank you "blm"....I know you follow NC, closely KoKo Mar 2016 #91
Heh - you were here when I began lurking. I joined in 2002 blm Mar 2016 #92
For You! KoKo Mar 2016 #93
Kick kgnu_fan Mar 2016 #84

peacebird

(14,195 posts)
1. It was very disturbing. Especially the mayor, NAACP folk, and others who wanted to endorse
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 08:36 AM
Mar 2016

And were deflected. Oh, and moving the student event from thursday to Sunday???

marions ghost

(19,841 posts)
2. Thanks
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 08:41 AM
Mar 2016

I saw this this morning and felt queasy with recognition of the high probability of truth. I've worked in NC elections for 20 years and seen some stuff most people can't imagine actually goes on. So this rings true and makes me sick to my stomach.

nc4bo

(17,651 posts)
4. dear god I wish I were surprised but that'd mean it rarely happens.
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 09:04 AM
Mar 2016

The GOP does slime like this all the time so it hurts so much more when rot comes from within!

sufrommich

(22,871 posts)
5. Who is the "they" he's talking about?
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 09:07 AM
Mar 2016

Because he seems to be accusing other Bernie supporters and campaign workers. Look like the Sanders campaign is starting to eat their own and becoming paranoid.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,705 posts)
6. The gentlemen said he is a paralegal.
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 09:19 AM
Mar 2016

It would be easy enough for him to make his argument into a complaint that we can all read and discuss. That would be preferable to his rambling discourse that relies on hearsay and in some instances second person hearsay.

It is profoundly sad people give it credence.


Why do most of these thread make me think of the Ghost Dancers?


I will elaborate on my observation if anybody desires.

PufPuf23

(8,689 posts)
24. You may not realize this but your comparison to Ghost Dancers is offensive regardless.
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 10:39 AM
Mar 2016

Hillary Clinton revealed herself in the 2008 POTUS primaries and in far too many instances in the current election cycle. I am troubled by the many here at DU that accept her tactics and forgive her actions.

The DNC as constituted under DWS and current party leadership has shown itself to be unwilling and unable to provide fair consideration and top to bottom support, success, and representation of the Democratic grassroots.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,705 posts)
26. The destruction of the American Indian is the biggest black mark on our nation.
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 10:45 AM
Mar 2016

The destruction of the American Indian is the biggest black mark on our nation. Well, that and slavery.

I used them as an example of a people driven by legitimate and abject despair to act in a manner that was uthethered from reality.

Trafficking in second and third person hearsay and presenting it as truth strikes me as being unmoored from reality.

Kip Humphrey

(4,753 posts)
31. The Aryan race felt the exact same way when Hitler came along to save them.
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 10:55 AM
Mar 2016

Let's all celebrate corrupt campaigning! Yeah!!!

disgusting, just absolutely despicable, and disheartening.

And you want me to vote for this woman?!!!

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,705 posts)
32. If you believe there is a nexus between Hillary and the Holocaust there is nothing ...
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 10:58 AM
Mar 2016
Kip Humphrey
31. The Aryan race felt the exact same way when Hitler came along to save them.
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Let's all celebrate corrupt campaigning! Yeah!!!

disgusting, just absolutely despicable, and disheartening.

And you want me to vote for this woman?!!!





If you believe there is a nexus between Hillary and the Holocaust there is nothing I can do to disabuse you of that notion. I am too busy grieving for an educational system that failed to equip you to make anything that resembles a logical argument.
 

bvf

(6,604 posts)
79. Mmph!
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 06:36 PM
Mar 2016
I am too busy grieving for an educational system that failed to equip you to make anything that resembles a logical argument.


Project much?

PufPuf23

(8,689 posts)
35. Cut your losses and apologize.
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 11:06 AM
Mar 2016

Your statement about the tragedies of genocide and racial slavery are fine.

The example and rationale you offer regards the Ghost Dance is gratingly tone deaf to compare to a 21st Century political campaign.

For years I have respected you as a poster in my mostly lurking existence at DU but you are more than slightly unmoored from reality in your support of Hillary Clinton. One can be for a pol and recognize accept warts too. That is reality. Clinton has warts. Accept complicity.

There are two unconnected issues in this interchange.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,705 posts)
37. Four points
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 11:12 AM
Mar 2016

1) If you have read all my posts you would know I am jaded when it comes to all politicians, including Hillary Clinton.
2) What America did to its indigenous population is an abomination.
3) I used the Ghost Dancers as an example of a people who were driven to despair and in their despair acted in a manner inimical to reality.
4) If that offended anybody I truly regret it.

H2O Man

(73,333 posts)
29. It is highly offensive.
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 10:51 AM
Mar 2016

And displays a gross ignorance of what the Ghost Dance actually was. I'm saddened to see that person say such a foolish thing.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,705 posts)
34. The Ghost Dance
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 11:04 AM
Mar 2016

The Ghost Dance was a dance performed by Native Americans to resurrect their ancestors to free them from the rule of the white man who had stolen their land and way of life. It was precipitated by the assassination of Sitting Bull at Wounded Knee. It was one of the darkest moments of American history.

I cited it as an example of a broken people acting in a manner untehered from reality, not fundamentally different than the Jews who committed suicide at Masada rather than submit to Roman rule.

H2O Man

(73,333 posts)
36. One of us
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 11:09 AM
Mar 2016

knows what it was, including the relationship between the Ghost Dance and the murder of Sitting Bull. One of us doesn't. Your comments -- including your error per Sitting Bull -- makes it clear who is who.

Please stop. You are a good and decent person, but you are spouting off on something you know nothing about. If you want to learn about the Ghost Dance, just ask.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,705 posts)
38. I genuinely like and respect you.
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 11:25 AM
Mar 2016

I genuinely like and respect you . However I feel it is incumbent upon me to speak my piece.


My account of the Ghost Dance:

The Ghost Dance was a dance performed by Native Americans to resurrect their ancestors to free them from the rule of the white man who had stolen their land and way of life. It was precipitated by the assassination of Sitting Bull at Wounded Knee. It was one of the darkest moments of American history.




The Most Accepted Version of Events


The most accepted story of Sitting Bull's death in December of 1890 is that about 40 reservation policemen (mostly Indians) went to Sitting Bull's residence to arrest him. The arrest had to do with his Ghost Dance involvement and his refusal to disavow it.

The policemen took Sitting Bull into custody at first without incident and when leaving the home with the old chief were confronted by many of his followers bearing arms. This is the point where events happened quickly. The most publicized story is that Chief Sitting Bull called on his followers to rescue him. Two of his followers allegedly fired shots at the police and the police returned fire. The amount of people involved in this now violent encounter were a bit over forty Indian police and volunteers against over 100 of Sitting Bull's followers. This included women attacking the police with knives and clubs. During this 30 minute close encounter battle Sitting Bull was shot and killed. The shooting occurred during a large scuffle and, while a few names were mentioned, it's unclear exactly who fired the fatal shot.

http://westerntrips.blogspot.com/2011/12/death-of-sitting-bull-and-ghost-dance.html




I used the Ghost Dancers as a metaphor for those acting in a manner unmoored from reality to their detriment. Who knows. Considering how horribly they were treated death might have been preferable. I don't have that kind of courage.

If I offended anybody I apologize. I used a metaphor harshly . I shouldn't have.

H2O Man

(73,333 posts)
42. Sitting Bull was
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 11:33 AM
Mar 2016

killed because the whites were concerned he was endorsing the Ghost Dance. It was a firmly established tradition by that time.

An accurate resource that I would recommend is "The Ghost-Dance Religion and Wounded Knee," by James Mooney (Dover; 1973). It is over 1,000 pages long, and not particularly easy reading, in part because it contains hundreds of records from the time.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,705 posts)
45. I understand that...
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 11:36 AM
Mar 2016

It is also my understanding that many of the Indians killed at the massacre at Wounded Knee were unarmed and were performing The Ghost Dance during the skirmish.

It is an an abomination they were brought to such despair in the first place.


It is also my understanding that the authorities reneged on their promise to treat Sitting Bull with dignity and then tried to undermine him. This caused fissures at the reservation as some of the Indians started to question his authority as well.


P.S. I am referring to Native Americans as how they were referred to and how they referred to themselves at the time.


On edit- changed melee to massacre. It was a poor choice of words...It was a massacre, an abomination, and one of the darkest moments in American history, right up there with the Trail Of Tears, and bringing the first slaves to Jamestown.




kdmorris

(5,649 posts)
55. Is that a typo??? "melee"
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 12:44 PM
Mar 2016

Wounded Knee was NOT a melee.

It was a massacre. They shot unarmed men women and children (after disarming most of the men). I highly doubt that anyone was ghost dancing during the massacre. The few men that still had guns were trying to protect their tribe and the rest were trying to get out of the hail of bullets.

And they weren't satisfied with just killing people that that could easily. They pursued and killed people who were fleeing and unarmed.

Just stop digging now.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,705 posts)
57. My comments in their entirety suggest I didn't characterize it as anything less than a massacre.
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 12:58 PM
Mar 2016
What America did to its indigenous population is an abomination.

The destruction of the American Indian is the biggest black mark on our nation.



I used a harsh metaphor and said I regret it. I don't see the same moral outrage at the poster in this thread who compared Hillary to Hitler:

The Aryan race felt the exact same way when Hitler came along to save them.

Let's all celebrate corrupt campaigning! Yeah!!!

disgusting, just absolutely despicable, and disheartening.

And you want me to vote for this woman?!!!



My mom is Jewish... When I was a kid we had friends with the tattoos from the death camps on their arms. Maybe I should have wrapped myself in my Jewishness to take umbrage at that... Might as well throw in the fact my old man was blinded in one eye by shrapnel and contacted malaria fighting Hitler and his buddy Mussolini's armies during the North Africa Campaign.

Selective outrage, gotta love it. Guess I don't support the right candidate.



kdmorris

(5,649 posts)
58. Suggesting it was a "melee" makes it sound like the Lakota participated
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 01:12 PM
Mar 2016

There was no melee. They were butchered... massacred... the camp was SURROUNDED by Howitzers that mowed down every living thing in the camp. When the women and children escaped to a nearby ravine... they HUNTED them down and slaughtered them there.

Please edit your post to use massacre then. Wounded Knee was a NOT a melee. And to use that term to is offensive on so many levels.


Black Elk (1863–1950); medicine man, Oglala Lakota:

"I did not know then how much was ended. When I look back now from this high hill of my old age, I can still see the butchered women and children lying heaped and scattered all along the crooked gulch as plain as when I saw them with eyes young. And I can see that something else died there in the bloody mud, and was buried in the blizzard. A people's dream died there. It was a beautiful dream ... the nation's hope is broken and scattered. There is no center any longer, and the sacred tree is dead."[26]

American Horse (1840–1908); chief, Oglala Lakota:

"There was a woman with an infant in her arms who was killed as she almost touched the flag of truce ... A mother was shot down with her infant; the child not knowing that its mother was dead was still nursing ... The women as they were fleeing with their babies were killed together, shot right through ... and after most all of them had been killed a cry was made that all those who were not killed or wounded should come forth and they would be safe. Little boys ... came out of their places of refuge, and as soon as they came in sight a number of soldiers surrounded them and butchered them there."[27]

Edward S. Godfrey; captain; commanded Co. D of the 7th Cavalry:

"I know the men did not aim deliberately and they were greatly excited. I don't believe they saw their sights. They fired rapidly but it seemed to me only a few seconds till there was not a living thing before us; warriors, squaws, children, ponies, and dogs ... went down before that unaimed fire."[28] (Godfrey was a lieutenant in Captain Benteen's force during the Battle of the Little Bighorn.)[29]

Hugh McGinnis; First Battalion, Co. K, 7th Cavalry:

"General Nelson A. Miles who visited the scene of carnage, following a three-day blizzard, estimated that around 300 snow shrouded forms were strewn over the countryside. He also discovered to his horror that helpless children and women with babies in their arms had been chased as far as two miles from the original scene of encounter and cut down without mercy by the troopers. ... Judging by the slaughter on the battlefield it was suggested that the soldiers simply went berserk. For who could explain such a merciless disregard for life? ... As I see it the battle was more or less a matter of spontaneous combustion, sparked by mutual distrust ..."[30]


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wounded_Knee_Massacre

mmonk

(52,589 posts)
13. Seems there were some placed in there by the party.
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 09:27 AM
Mar 2016

One had her picture taken with DWS on her Facebook page.

sufrommich

(22,871 posts)
14. He's literally accusing Sanders campaign staff of
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 09:30 AM
Mar 2016

working to defeat Sanders. You guys continue to eat your own,it's no skin off of my back, but what a nasty thing to do to the people who are the victims of this smear.

marions ghost

(19,841 posts)
63. Do you not understand?
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 02:02 PM
Mar 2016

He is talking about Democratic party corruption. Sabotage from within.

----------
Also might help to read what a campaign surrogate is, and then watch the video again:

http://www.wisegeek.com/in-politics-what-is-a-campaign-surrogate.htm

marions ghost

(19,841 posts)
62. Nope, wrong--
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 01:48 PM
Mar 2016

He's clearly alleging that it is Democratic party members who shut down the activities of the UNC Bernie Sanders campus organizers, repeatedly.

Yes the Democratic party IS "eating their own"...

I see exactly how they did this and got away with it, if you don't.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
7. The Clinton supporters don't care about the truth. All hail the Clinton Aristocracy.
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 09:19 AM
Mar 2016

"The Ends Justifies the Means"

sufrommich

(22,871 posts)
8. His accusations are aimed at his fellow Sanders supporters.
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 09:21 AM
Mar 2016

This has nothing to do with Hillary Clinton.

 

Armstead

(47,803 posts)
23. I gotta admit it confuses me
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 10:30 AM
Mar 2016

I'm not sure who he is referring to, Sanders campaign staff or something else.

misterhighwasted

(9,148 posts)
15. Sounds more like bull shit.
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 09:32 AM
Mar 2016

Its like the ever elusive email indictment.."there just HAS GOT TO BE SOMETHING THERE, dammit!

If someone says it in a video, it must be true. Especially on facebook.

FlatBaroque

(3,160 posts)
16. The person provided names, dates, and plenty of other information for anyone
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 10:06 AM
Mar 2016

to verify. But that is not something you would ever do for the obvious reason that what you find may conflict with a firmly held belief.

Please do not bother to reply, you are disappeared.

Response to FlatBaroque (Reply #16)

Tarc

(10,472 posts)
25. We've heard this song and dance before, excuses excuses excuses when Bernie loses a state
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 10:41 AM
Mar 2016

It can't possibly be because, simply, more people prefer Clinton's message over his. No!

There must have been hijinks!

Nay, shenanigans!

Ack, maybe even...tomfoolery!


 

KittyWampus

(55,894 posts)
43. Sad thing is, there's one campaign that's stolen data and engaged in
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 11:35 AM
Mar 2016

unethical behavior on numerous occassions.

And it isn't Clinton.

Tarc

(10,472 posts)
72. It is a shame that this is the m.o. for some Sanders supporters
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 03:54 PM
Mar 2016
Oh my god...TRASH FORUM...how awesome!

If by some miraculous chance Sanders becomes the nominee, will they duck, dodge, and hide when Trump starts to ramp up his attacks?
 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
30. There are things going on in the background
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 10:54 AM
Mar 2016

That people don't want to believe. It is ugly. Let's just say that bit about the NAACP we got a similar fight locally.

The party is by choice going right, but they still need several traditional blocks. Those blocks are in for a nasty surprise

Lucinda

(31,170 posts)
33. This is the FB page of one of the people he claims is a Hillary plant
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 10:58 AM
Mar 2016
https://www.facebook.com/aisha.dew

She is the NC State Director for Bernie
Looks like she has been working pretty damn hard for Sanders to me, and for her state party.

KoKo

(84,711 posts)
81. But the Facebook Post show Aisha in Photo Op with DWS
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 07:17 PM
Mar 2016

Very Close for Comfort. Which might mean that although she was running Mecklenburg County in NC for Obama in 2012 she might be favorable to Hillary since she is tied to the Establishment Wing of Dem Party and she Also has Photo of her with SC Rep. James Clyburn whom we know endorsed and supported Hillary for 2016 at the Last Minute.

Link to FB didn't work until I logged in. Her FB Profile is still up there if you have a FB Account. Lots of Photos of her with Dem Insiders that she has posted, recently

Lucinda

(31,170 posts)
83. So what? Aisha is a Dem leader in her state, posing with the national party leader in the pic you
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 07:27 PM
Mar 2016

reference. Of course there will be shots of her with various members of the party leadership.

Her profile pic is a shot of her and Bernie. She is his NC State Director. Post after post is in reference to working in NC on his campaign.

But hey. You go with the random guy in the video if it works for you.



dana_b

(11,546 posts)
82. Nico also posted a link to her twitter page and prior to December 2015
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 07:26 PM
Mar 2016

there was a lot of this:



So it's not that someone can't change their mind, it just looks suspicious. However I realize that there is a member here who says the s/he knows Aisha and that Nico is wrong. Maybe Aisha did change her mind.

But what we do know is that things did not go as they should have for the students and their events.

Lucinda

(31,170 posts)
85. So?
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 07:35 PM
Mar 2016

She is an advancing leader in her states party. I'm sure she shares all sorts of things she thinks those following her will find interesting.
I see no reason she can't have thought highly of Hillary, but clearly chose to support Bernie in this election.
I often shared Bernie's stuff on my FB page over the past year, but I'm solidly Hillary.

In my world, it's only here on DU where people seem to feel the need to attack one person to support the other.

Lucinda

(31,170 posts)
88. Hey if you want to attack Bernie's state director cause some guy on the internet
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 07:46 PM
Mar 2016

posted some crap, have at it!

KoKo

(84,711 posts)
86. Thank You! Fair and Balanced.!
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 07:42 PM
Mar 2016

Although, we still have to wonder about what "looked suspicious" after I viewed her FB Page that that the DU Link said was not accessible even though her sight looks like she favors Hillary and DNC from the photos. Still, she is young and wants to go Forward in her career and she's not different from the other Political Ops who need to follow the money. ''

In these times.....Survival is the Only Option.

Skwmom

(12,685 posts)
41. Mark Halperin asked Sanders earlier in the process about not knowing so well the people who would
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 11:32 AM
Mar 2016

be hired in upcoming states. I think Halperin raised that issue for a reason. As dirty at the Clinton machine is did anyone not expect some anti-Bernie people to infiltrate his campaign structure.

Whether this is true or not did stuff like this happen? Oh, I would be willing to bet on it.

UglyGreed

(7,661 posts)
56. John Uretsky has been involved in Democratic politics for several years
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 12:57 PM
Mar 2016

I find it odd he was the one who was fired for the "data breach" that many like to use to slander Sanders with. I've seen many comments this past week doing so. Here is John with Obama, he seemed to be trusted at one point..............

?quality=65&strip=all&strip=all


Uretsky has been involved in Democratic politics for several years, his LinkedIn profile shows.

He worked as a staffer on Patrick Murphy’s Congressional campaign in 2006. From 2007 to 2008 he was a “grassroots leader for Barack Obama’s 2008 campaign in Philadelphia,” serving as a co-chair of Philadelphia for Obama.

He has also worked on local Pennsylvania campaigns, and was the Pennsylvania Data and Targeting Manager for America Votes from 2011 until he was hired by the Sanders campaign.

“Prepared and presented data driven analysis of partisan political opportunities and needs using SQL, VAN, GIS and other tools. Determined key regions for electoral program and competitive districts,” he wrote of his role with America Votes. “Managed voter file access for partner organizations and their consultants including administration, security, training and technical assistance. Managed deputy staff.”

marions ghost

(19,841 posts)
77. So many people think
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 05:43 PM
Mar 2016

it doesn't matter how you win as long as you win. They might not be willing to admit it, but when election manipulation happens, partisans will ignore it if it favors their side.

These students are getting a lesson on how it works in a ruthless two-party winner-take-all politics. The best of them will no longer participate.

LiberalFighter

(50,504 posts)
49. Wouldn't the Sanders people know if their people are working for the other side?
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 11:46 AM
Mar 2016

And then get rid of them? If they don't, why not?

This is all fishy.

marions ghost

(19,841 posts)
65. The students for Sanders found out the hard way it seems
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 02:18 PM
Mar 2016

They had no power to get rid of anybody--THEY were the ones being shut out by Hillary supporters who supposedly came in to help them. Happened in the last phase of the run-up to the primary.

Does not smell fishy to me, and I'm my nose is pretty good. It's a serious allegation.

marions ghost

(19,841 posts)
70. OK well I would like to hear her statement and answer to this
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 02:40 PM
Mar 2016

she should be willing to do that--it's a pretty serious allegation and he sounds like he has corroboration. She has a public face--if she's smart she will answer to it.

If the student's allegation is found to have no basis, then OK.

But I think we need to hear more. A lot of times subtle suppression tactics are hidden after the election.

Merryland

(1,134 posts)
53. My guess is they were targetting campus groups
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 12:10 PM
Mar 2016

because they knew kids would be more vulnerable & trusting of these older faux Bernie supporters...?

marions ghost

(19,841 posts)
61. That is exactly my take on it
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 01:35 PM
Mar 2016

--until proven otherwise...

Make no mistake -- this guy is accusing Democratic party organizers (who support Hillary).

This is "Hillary Dems" obstructing "Bernie Dems" --according to what Nico says.



KoKo

(84,711 posts)
73. Heard from a Progressive Group activist
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 04:01 PM
Mar 2016

from UNC that Bernie activists were very frustrated with Aesha's handling of their organizing. There were reports of not having access to Bernie signs, pamphlets, and the Durham, Bernie Office not functioning. Nico (whom I don't know) in his video talks about meeting being changed or cancelled at the last minute and that the Wilmington office was shut down...so, that tends to go with what the UNC students said about Durham.

Personally, I wanted to get a Bernie sign for one of our Early Voting sites, two weeks ago, and their Durham Office didn't even have a phone number listed to call them at their website. A friend of mine went to the only Bernie "meet up" listed on the Durham Website and when he got to the coffee house, where the meeting was scheduled, and there was no one there for Bernie. There have been reports of misleading Sample Ballots for Dem Party being given out at polling places, but, I don't have any other information on who was giving them out.

NC Dem Party is not in good shape, so I can understand why there might have been problems with coordination for Bernie Activists dealing with them and finding it frustrating. But, it seems that Aesha might not have been a good manager for Bernie's campaign. It may be she was just overwhelmed. But there were other things that went on that will probably come out that our NC Dem Party did that were not helpful to Bernie at all.

I was involved with the Kerry Campaign...and what a time we had with the Dem Party "Old Guard." And, now we have Old Guard/New Guard and none of them are appreciative of Progressives and Activists and they frown on efforts of involving the young people in party politics. Which is a shame, given what the Repubs have managed to do to us after NC went for Obama in 2008.

marions ghost

(19,841 posts)
75. Thanks Koko
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 05:31 PM
Mar 2016

for that info. I would certainly believe that the NC Dem party are discouraging Bernie activists and progressives. I can understand them being a bit unprepared at the enthusiasm for Bernie, caught by surprise. But their way of handling it does NOT sound good. I'm sure the Old Guard would be Hillary all the way.

Seems like a subtle effort to stifle young involvement in NC. This way they will be sure to do that--for good. Very short-sighted.

blm

(112,920 posts)
80. Thanks KoKo - from my experience it could also have been money.
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 06:36 PM
Mar 2016

I remember how difficult it was to get signage for Dalton in the governor race - his campaign wouldn't do a buy in for distributing signs in counties he expected to lose - always a bad decision, imo.

It could be that Devine didn't want money spent in NC that he would rather see spent in states he was targeting more for a win.

Sometimes the way the national campaign chooses to spend the money is at the root of decisions made locally and in the state.

Newer political activists wouldn't get that and, of course, it makes the local people seem even worse.

Was there some level of incompetence? No doubt in my mind - but, to charge these people and the offices with collusion is just WRONG.

You'd also have to extend that collusion to those running the national campaign.

KoKo

(84,711 posts)
91. Thank you "blm"....I know you follow NC, closely
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 08:12 PM
Mar 2016

and I always respect your perspective. I was just adding in mine. Agree about "the money." You make an interesting point, here......I thought.

It could be that Devine didn't want money spent in NC that he would rather see spent in states he was targeting more for a win.

Sometimes the way the national campaign chooses to spend the money is at the root of decisions made locally and in the state.

Newer political activists wouldn't get that and, of course, it makes the local people seem even worse.


How Long have we both been here? Count the years. So, always good to hear from you.

blm

(112,920 posts)
92. Heh - you were here when I began lurking. I joined in 2002
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 08:44 PM
Mar 2016

after spending most of my time at MWO and bartcop. ; )

KoKo

(84,711 posts)
93. For You!
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 08:55 PM
Mar 2016
Hey.. I wasn't so far ahead. April (I think) 2001. I think I got the link here from Bartcop!

I miss MHO. Those were great days when we had Progressive Media awakening! These days....not so much.
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