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Armstead

(47,803 posts)
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 11:10 AM Mar 2016

What is truly disturbing about the CW discussions of the campaigns. Changing her "Messaging"

The conventional wisdom is that Clinton is the nominee, but Sanders has made her a better candidate .

"Bernie has pushed her to hone her campaign her to include his issues in her campaign message."

This is even thought of as a good thing by supposed liberals and progressives.

What is missed is the fact that anyone can say anything in a campaign. Clinton can claim to be all upset about income inequality, the bad behavior of Wall St. and the abuses of Corporate America. She can claim to be right beside Bernie on the issue of Campaign Finance Reform.

But where the hell was she all these years when it mattered? When has she stood up to Wall St. otehr that a few "cut it outs" when she was preparing for her previous run for the nomination in 2008?

The truth is that Clinton may be a little bit more "progressive" (NOT LIBERAL AS SHE KEEPS REMINDING US) than the GOP on certain issues. But in terms of the major question "Who has the Power and Wealth" she is happy with the system as it is, and with the way it crushes any meaningful reform or progress.

If she is elected, liberals may feel superficially better that at least those nasty old Republicans do not have the WH. And "Golly gee, she said she actually CARES about income inequality, so I hope she means it."

But they'll also know in their gut that nothing will change. The overbalance of Corruption vs. the Public Interest will remain unchanged. Lobbyists and Politicians and the Golden Door will remain intact.

The Democratic Party will NOT be an agent of liberal/progressive change.

I prefer politicians who actually have a consistent sense of basic values, and who campaign based on their Beliefs, rather than empty political marketing Messages.








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What is truly disturbing about the CW discussions of the campaigns. Changing her "Messaging" (Original Post) Armstead Mar 2016 OP
I think they like it known that she doesn't really believe any of the populist/progressive stuff she Skwmom Mar 2016 #1
That's true. May be some "wink, wink" involved Armstead Mar 2016 #3
She won't come out and say she is for fracking, she just holds some fundraisers with frackers and Skwmom Mar 2016 #8
She will Old Codger Mar 2016 #2
Doesn't this belong in the Hillary Group? Human101948 Mar 2016 #4
Voting for Hillary is like buying Rolexes from a guy who sells them in dark doorways for $25. Tierra_y_Libertad Mar 2016 #5
Good analogy. Armstead Mar 2016 #7
I tried to improve on that. But that pretty much nails it. They know he's lying, but inexplicably GoneFishin Mar 2016 #12
While saying that the one they're buying is "not as bad" as the one selling for $15. Tierra_y_Libertad Mar 2016 #13
It's right twice a day dreamnightwind Mar 2016 #15
Exactly. GoneFishin Mar 2016 #18
The "she's being pulled left" messaging this campaign is incredibly frustrating... TCJ70 Mar 2016 #6
Neoliberals will not be able to sustain this country, their policies are as compromising Jefferson23 Mar 2016 #9
She is not going to change shit except her tune if she weasels her way into nomination, at which GoneFishin Mar 2016 #10
that's my worry Armstead Mar 2016 #17
"Globalism" has been the thought child of Hillary since before 1970 Kip Humphrey Mar 2016 #11
Are all our candidates drawing Social Security? Downwinder Mar 2016 #14
Also it's not considered ok for us to push back against bad policies pushed by corporate Dems dreamnightwind Mar 2016 #16
I can already hear the "You are opposing the first woman president" Armstead Mar 2016 #19
Actions speak louder than. Octafish Mar 2016 #20

Skwmom

(12,685 posts)
1. I think they like it known that she doesn't really believe any of the populist/progressive stuff she
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 11:16 AM
Mar 2016

espouses. It will help with the Republican vote.

Skwmom

(12,685 posts)
8. She won't come out and say she is for fracking, she just holds some fundraisers with frackers and
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 11:29 AM
Mar 2016

lets that information get out to pro-fracking states counting on the anti-fracking states never hearing about it.

She wouldn't be able to pull it off but for a corporate media that is in her pocket.

 

Old Codger

(4,205 posts)
2. She will
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 11:17 AM
Mar 2016

Return to her core republican lite self as soon as she locks it up and end up losing to trump or whoever they end up with..Way too much baggage and way to many who literally hate her ...

GoneFishin

(5,217 posts)
12. I tried to improve on that. But that pretty much nails it. They know he's lying, but inexplicably
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 11:44 AM
Mar 2016

give him their money anyway.

dreamnightwind

(4,775 posts)
15. It's right twice a day
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 12:59 PM
Mar 2016

when what the donors want happens to coincide with what the people want. The rest of the time, just another broken watch.

TCJ70

(4,387 posts)
6. The "she's being pulled left" messaging this campaign is incredibly frustrating...
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 11:24 AM
Mar 2016

...why, if you consider her "move" a good thing, would you support her over someone who is already there and has been there their entire life? I don't consider it a move at all but a feint.

Jefferson23

(30,099 posts)
9. Neoliberals will not be able to sustain this country, their policies are as compromising
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 11:30 AM
Mar 2016

as the neocons and the rest. We have to sustain the movement should she
win, it is up to us.

GoneFishin

(5,217 posts)
10. She is not going to change shit except her tune if she weasels her way into nomination, at which
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 11:38 AM
Mar 2016

time she will lurch back to her right wing pro-imperial, pro-pharma, pro-insurance, pro-bankster, screw the little people ways.

Kip Humphrey

(4,753 posts)
11. "Globalism" has been the thought child of Hillary since before 1970
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 11:43 AM
Mar 2016

The fulfillment of transforming the world to a globalist society is what I expect Hillary expects of Hillary. Neoliberalism is her handmaiden to get it done.

dreamnightwind

(4,775 posts)
16. Also it's not considered ok for us to push back against bad policies pushed by corporate Dems
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 01:03 PM
Mar 2016

When a Republican pushes things like bad trade policy or foreign interventions, or the latest corporate inversion, we're all over it. When a Democrat pushes these things, criticism is actively shut down by party loyalists, and critics are labeled as not being loyal Democrats. Makes it easier for the large donors to get what they want at our expense.

 

Armstead

(47,803 posts)
19. I can already hear the "You are opposing the first woman president"
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 01:25 PM
Mar 2016

every-time people speak out when she pushes something awaful

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