2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumLine to see Bernie in Salt Lake City 7 miles long!
Holy frack...........
flamingdem
(39,308 posts)Romney on line?
desmiller
(747 posts)Armstead
(47,803 posts)I just hope they all vote
auntpurl
(4,311 posts)And I swear to you I am not being snarky or mean! How is it that Bernie draws these massive crowds but they don't translate into votes? If people are willing to stand in line for hours to see a politician speak, why don't they go to the polls and vote for him? Obviously this is not a 1:1 question (I'm sure many of the people who go to the rallies DO vote for him) but a more general one. Why isn't this kind of ground-level enthusiasm translating into a closer race in this primary?
Sincerely,
Genuinely confused by that
Armstead
(47,803 posts)a lot of people still see a vote for Clinton as the "pragmatic" choice, regardless of which one they actually prefer or agree with more. I think the prospect of trump may have intensified that.
And, this may sound trivial, but spring break may have been a factor.
Plus there may be people who got fired up, but didn't register in time or something like that. Or they weren't registered as Democrats in closed primary states.
Also, if you get 10,000 people in a city of 100,000 that's still ten percent of the population.
Lot of potential reasons.
auntpurl
(4,311 posts)I'm a Hillary supporter myself, but I have been very impressed with the kinds of numbers Bernie is drawing to rallies and events.
I think your reasons are probably correct, in the main. Certainly my vote for Hillary in part is because I believe she is the pragmatic choice.
Thanks for your reply. I have been genuinely curious about that.
Octafish
(55,745 posts)Paper ballots would make it easy to see who got what.
MoreGOPoop
(417 posts)If one has ever voted in a tiny precinct in Northern Arkansas and catch
the attendant hovering over your shoulder, you might get the feeling that
your paper ballot is about to be placed in a trap-chute.
Ash_F
(5,861 posts)But how many people does the television reach? Way way more than any crowd you ever saw in your life. If a fraction of tv watchers lean one way, it will blowout the other side.
This is a struggle between television/radio news and alternate media and grass roots.
auntpurl
(4,311 posts)Isn't it true that Bernie outspent Hillary on TV ads and other media in most of the recent states that he lost? I only read that on DU, so you know, consider the source, but I don't see why anyone would lie about that. So if Bernie was on TV in Ohio, North Carolina, etc, at twice the rate of Hillary, wouldn't that invalidate your point?
Honestly asking...
Ash_F
(5,861 posts)Ads are a drop in the bucket of television media
Ron Green
(9,822 posts)It's been the plan all along. The PTB are happy.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)But how does that happen. I go to an event a couple of times a year that draws one hundred thousand people. The lines never extend more than thirty feet.
I wouldn't even considers standing in line like that for anyone currently on this planet.
peace13
(11,076 posts)It all takes time. It's like being at the airport with 10,000 people on your flight.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)They do that at a lot of events that size these days. Even if they go further at these rallies, which is understandable, I'm talking onehundred thousand and the lines don't get past thirty feet.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)Not knocking at all.
Agschmid
(28,749 posts)At least nobody really stood in a line 7 miles long.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)Beyond impressive in a primary. What he has tapped into is real and significant.
pdsimdars
(6,007 posts)crowds. And they're all waiting and committed to hear him because they have heard about the message he has for the country.
That tells you which candidates inspired the American people.
Does the DNC really want to win a landslide or are they just obsessed with THEIR candidate?
Samantha
(9,314 posts)JMHO
Sam
LisaM
(27,794 posts)I go to a lot of football games at the Big House and it seats 110,000 and there aren't any lines that you could even say are a half mile long. Bully for the turnout, but the 7 miles must refer to cars, surely. That we would be a two hour walk for most people.
surrealAmerican
(11,357 posts)global1
(25,224 posts)1. The people that stand in the lines do vote for Bernie. It's the people that don't stand in the line that don't translate into votes.
2. Lines get backed up - because when going to a Bernie rally or for that matter any candidate's rally - the secret service sets up screening that the people have to pass through and goes through any carry in items. That accounts for some of the backups and why the doors open to these events much earlier than the candidate comes in to speak. They need to have all the people screened before the candidate gets to the venue.
imagine2015
(2,054 posts)Autumn Colors
(2,379 posts)This warms my heart.