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monicaangela

(1,508 posts)
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 03:16 PM Mar 2016

UNITE!

Is it a new day in America or just, another day in America? I do believe there is a difference in the manner in which we express this sentiment.


In America we have roughly two political parties. We have the Democratic Party and the Republican Party. Those parties dominate the landscape and do not allow any other party that might have the desire to form an opportunity to do so. Democrats are generally recognized as Liberals, Progressives, and Centrist. Republicans are generally recognized as Christian Conservatives, Fiscal Conservatives, Tea Party radicals, etc. You may notice at this point the fact that even the parties are divided ideologically within their own structure. Politicians of course couldn’t be happier with this arrangement; they fundraise according to their ideology. The two parties miss the point…Divided we fall.


In America we have the right to disagree with these politicians. We have the right to Lobby or Protest if we disagree with decisions made by politicians or when we wish politicians to provide legislation to improve the quality of life in this nation. Yes, the constitution actually gives us the right to lobby and protest, of course that appears to be under assault these days. It appears the powers that be have decided to control the manner in which we protest and the manner in which we lobby Congress, the Supreme Court, or the President. We are prohibited in many ways when we decide to protest, we are arrested many times because of infiltration by groups that sometimes appear to be a part of law enforcement or paid agitators. So protest, but remember to bring bail money and have a good lawyer waiting in the wings just in case. If you’re wealthy, you might decide to use lobbying to get what you want. This is an altogether different manner in which we are allowed to petition the government and the courts. We can sit down in the politicians’ office, or meet and greet them at a fine restaurant, or on the golf course etc. and one on one discuss our grievances. We are divided even when it comes to something guaranteed by the constitution because of inequality. So again, even in this undertaking we are divided.


Speaking of protest, let’s look at how we are divided when it comes to protest…how many organizations take to the streets or the web etc. to protest? Let’s look a bit closer at this. If I am a member of Green Peace, I might agree to protest with 350.org. If I am a member of Code Pink, I might agree to join with many other groups that might be protesting a given issue. If I am a member of BLM, I might join with groups that are protesting inequality in the criminal justice system due to racism, or any number of other groups whose goal will connect in some manner to the goals of the group. Why, when we agree are we still divided, why do we need to form a plethora of groups to try to get justice in this country? Why can’t we UNITE and come together as one?


In America we are struggling to save what is left of our democracy. Even former President Jimmy Carter (pray for his victory during his battle with cancer) said this nation no longer appears to be a democratic republic. In his words, America has no functioning democracy. We are operating more like a Plutocracy or something to that effect.


In America, the USA, we are in the primaries that will help decide which candidate will run for the coveted office of President of the nation. It appears we will continue to be more divided than ever. How can we unite under one banner? How can we bring the citizens of this country into agreement? I call upon the many protest groups in this nation…I plead with you, PLEASE unite. A meeting of the minds is necessary, we need leaders of these factions to come together, bring their issues to the table and hash out an agreement that would allow us all the opportunity to unite under one umbrella, protesting together, working together, solving issues together etc. If we do this we can settle the issue of which candidate will be better for this nation in the fall election. United We Stand, Divided We Fall.

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UNITE! (Original Post) monicaangela Mar 2016 OP
Make America Whole Again. JaneyVee Mar 2016 #1
That would be nice. kristopher Mar 2016 #3
Again? When was it whole? aikoaiko Mar 2016 #14
This is not a contest between parties Rebkeh Mar 2016 #2
It doesn't appear you read the entire article monicaangela Mar 2016 #4
I did read it and I agree 1000% Rebkeh Mar 2016 #5
My article ask the question why? monicaangela Mar 2016 #6
It's because we lack the understanding necessary Rebkeh Mar 2016 #7
We see eye to eye on that one Rebkeh! monicaangela Mar 2016 #8
It's Bernie all the way, baby! Rebkeh Mar 2016 #9
He's the option for me monicaangela Mar 2016 #10
I agree, Hillary needs to drop out before the indictment and let the party unite behind pdsimdars Mar 2016 #11
Even if she isn't indicted monicaangela Mar 2016 #12
Hindsight Rebkeh Mar 2016 #13
That is an excellent post Rebkeh monicaangela Mar 2016 #15

aikoaiko

(34,162 posts)
14. Again? When was it whole?
Sun Mar 20, 2016, 12:14 AM
Mar 2016



Seriously, I think thats one of the things I've taken to heart this election season -- we've always left people or situations out of the American ideal.

Rebkeh

(2,450 posts)
2. This is not a contest between parties
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 03:27 PM
Mar 2016

This is a fight between democracy and the appearance of democracy.

I cannot see how the two come together. I'd love to be proven wrong though.

Rebkeh

(2,450 posts)
5. I did read it and I agree 1000%
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 03:45 PM
Mar 2016

I wasn't clear, sorry.

It's very well said but you suggest coming together with people that believe in the appearance of change. I don't see how that can happen, there's an extra step that still must be made. That hasn't occurred. Not yet.

Also, what I am responding to is the framing in general election terms rather than the primary.

Calls for unity still assume we are on the same page and understand each other, we are not and do not. We are close, very close, and once over that hump, there's no stopping us.

monicaangela

(1,508 posts)
6. My article ask the question why?
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 03:52 PM
Mar 2016

If it appeared I was suggesting anything that had to do with the appearance of change, my intent was misunderstood. I am suggesting that the change we need can only be realized if we come together and decide what it is we want. It appears many are willing to settle for a democratic president in the White House regardless of what that person will do once there. Each protest group I named wants something, and if we look at the candidates in the primaries and of course two of them will be in the general, my question was which of those candidates are willing to work to gain those things protesters are fighting for.

Rebkeh

(2,450 posts)
7. It's because we lack the understanding necessary
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 04:00 PM
Mar 2016

Empathy plays a role as well as the inability to see how everyone's goals connect. We keep talking about intersectionality, which is good. But if we talked about interconnectionality, it would be better.

It's the difference between herding cats and herding dogs. We are almost there, I just don't want to skip over that critical distinction.

monicaangela

(1,508 posts)
8. We see eye to eye on that one Rebkeh!
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 04:06 PM
Mar 2016

I believe we can make this come about even more rapidly if someone in the media, or a leader in government etc., would begin to stress the fact that this needs to happen and that this would be the force that could counteract the gains of the Oligarchs. What do you think?

monicaangela

(1,508 posts)
10. He's the option for me
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 04:15 PM
Mar 2016

I understand the consequences of a Clinton or Trump presidency, and am hoping with all my might Sanders pulls it out, otherwise I feel we are in for another tumultuous 4 to 8 years under either of the other two.

 

pdsimdars

(6,007 posts)
11. I agree, Hillary needs to drop out before the indictment and let the party unite behind
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 04:15 PM
Mar 2016

the most electable candidate, Bernie Sanders. That's what all the actual data points to.

monicaangela

(1,508 posts)
12. Even if she isn't indicted
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 04:18 PM
Mar 2016

Just reading the information in those emails should be enough for to make a person reconsider when thinking about voting for her, and imagine, we haven't really seen the ones that the FBI have redacted and called TOP SECRET...I believe like those Goldman transcripts, must be some really interesting reading there.

Rebkeh

(2,450 posts)
13. Hindsight
Sun Mar 20, 2016, 12:10 AM
Mar 2016

My tone was not right earlier, I really do love your OP. I didn't mean to come across so critical. Sorry.

I wrote this a few weeks ago .. thought you might like it.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1280132341

The Revolution and the Disconnect

Aside from celebrity, name recognition, gender, party loyalty, low information and disengagement from the political process, aversion to the unfamiliar, fear of rocking the boat, and the desire to stay within the confines of one’s comfort zone of faux stability – besides all of these, there are still reasonable people that don’t get the revolution.

I’ve been thinking about the disconnect - why don’t politically informed and engaged liberals and progressives, highly educated in policy even, connect with Bernie’s message? It’s not denial of the dangers of neoliberalism, they know full well what is going on. It has to be more than cynicism too. Not that skepticism isn’t a problem, doubt that Americans will show up to back Bernie after the election and we are back to the daily grind of governing is not unjustified. But there is something else.

Even when there is tacit agreement on what the problems are, there is a difference in agreement in how we fix them. These differences are subtle until we discuss strategy and the outcomes from them. Incremental change on the surface is the result of what we have been doing, but at a cost. Slow progress that happens on the surface while the ground shifts rightward under our feet is no progress at all. But I digress…

The disconnect is in the framing.

Bernie frames the nation as an interconnected collective while some liberals and progressives view the nation as an intersected collection of people. One is a gathering of multiples while the other is a single group in and of itself, everyone inherently linked together in constant and symbiotic relationships. A successful revolution is a hard thing to pull off when individuals are out for themselves – herding cats is impossible. But when you view the nation as a single entity, a revolution is an easy sell. It’s actually not that hard to do, coming together for political change.

Historically, we have tried to be both a collection and a collective with varying degrees of success, but today it is becoming less and less possible to do so. Bernie’s liberal naysayers appear to think we can still do both.

Tribal unity is not the same thing as community.

Skepticism masked as realism is how most people live, which is somewhat understandable. I suspect it is also why the poc that don’t want to rock the boat don’t trust the revolution. If everyone is out for themselves, why on earth would I expect that guy over there to care about my issues? Why would I care about his?

I argue that the majority of progressives and liberals do care, we just don’t believe change is possible.

Low voter turnout and a lack of citizen engagement (democrats don’t show up in off year elections, for example) is supported by history. White liberals not showing up for black causes, on black terms and fully conscious of racial politics, is also supported by history. What else is a realist (*ahem*, a cynic) to believe?

These are fair criticisms, we shouldn’t disregard them. If we want them to switch their votes to Bernie, we need to give them a reason to have faith in us. We will come together for the cause, not just our tribes. How can we prove it?


monicaangela

(1,508 posts)
15. That is an excellent post Rebkeh
Sun Mar 20, 2016, 10:15 AM
Mar 2016

I don't believe I saw it when you posted it. I will remember to follow your work here in the future. I do remember the night you got your pic in your signature line. It is kind of hard to tell who poc's are here. I don't make any bones about it, I announce often in my comments that I am African American and proud of it. The pics in my signature line should give some idea, but if it doesn't so be it. I am not here to promote the ideology of any one race, my idea is we are all one race, and the sooner we realize it, the better off we will be. I believe that, the recognizing of one common humanity is one of the things that will help us Unite. for your wonderful writing. Keep up the good work.

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