Shouldn't you be working to get out the vote for bernie or something?

No threat to the status quo.

Climate change and the sixth global mass-extinction event is happening now

See ya at the convention!!!

Not only that, but it looks like many are thinking about places they could be other than there

Those who think they are rolling in the dough would find it under them keeping up which such little details of funding for their selected POTUS.

Democracy is drowning in a sea of dark money
By Fred Wertheimer
http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2015/01/16/democracy-is-drowning-in-a-sea-of-dark-money/

Feel the beat!

The plain fact is that she has about 2.6 million more voters supporting her.

That's only 63.4 million more votes than she got so far!

And she'll never match Obama in the vote total.

And the bulk of her primary votes came in the conservative southern red states which she has no chance of winning in the General Election. If even Obama couldn't win those states with a huge Black population how do you think Hillary would?

Most voters, including Democrats and independents, simply don't trust her.

She lies a lot.

Sanders tells the truth.

But unlike Sanders she does have the backing of corporate and Wall Street tycoons, corporate run media, the political establishment and bought and "moderate" members of Congress that the public has learned to hate.

She's won Florida, Ohio, and Virginia. All by a lot. Sanders has predominantly won in caucus states including states that we don't have a chance in like Nebraska and Kansas. He does best, despite his claims, when the voter turnout isn't all that big. Among broad swaths of the Democratic electorate he doesn't do that well.

Where is she going to get them from?

I'm not so sure that many people in the entire nation trust her. Do you?

This is what I don't understand about this argument from some Bernie supporters. I support Hillary but sanely admit it's going to be a hard fight for her to win the GE. Yet, she so far has gotten more votes than Bernie so why am I supposed to believe Sanders is a better candidate for the GE ? He's not bringing the revolution to the primary.
Now if he does manage to win the nomination, I'll support him because I'll concede that more people actually voted for him. This is about votes. Not polls, not crowd size, not donations. Right now Hillary has managed to convince more people to vote for her.

me if Hillary gets it.

Democrats are about 30% of the vote. . . For some reason, Hillary supporters seem to think this represents the whole pie. It doesn't. It's the old big fish, small pond notion.

Bernie does OK with Democrats, but he wins BIG among Independents and also Republicans. For the thinking impaired, that means he does OK with 30% and much better with the other 70%. Hillary does poorly with the other 70%.

Hillary does HORRIBLY with the Independents and Republican voters. Bernie does MUCH BETTER with that 70%.
What don't you people get about this?
I guess you're too busy laughing and being smug.

Over 300 behind in delegates, and 20% behind in total. That's not a few.

in the GE and therefore would be the (D) candidate.most likely to win.

message...and it is paying off for her. You get to ask questions and hear answers other than sound bites.

Like a tea party with Cinderella in the Fairy Castle.

But they probably paid a lot to be there, and so didn't want to take up any valuable time with applause and cheers.

That is definitely a Hillary hallmark--lackluster enthusiasm and small crowds.

Oh, the potential captions just sorta write themselves, don't they?

Many of her supporters don't even trust her. They are lukewarm in their support for her.

This is why Bernie was able to grow his current lead--after starting with 4 percent in the very beginning. It's been easy to pick off her support.

But you are right--what counts is votes. In the end, the winner of the primary has the most votes. For that you should be commended.

However, what happens when all of this Sanders enthusiasm, volunteerism and activism is drained from the party--and Hillary is left to her own devices to try to win a GE?

If she is the nominee, I think this is where the lack of enthusiasm, lack of interest from the youth vote (the linchpin of any GE ground game and volunteer apparatus) and lukewarm supporters will really hurt her.

We've got dismal voter turnout numbers on the Dem side. The Republicans are breaking records. That's a dangerous combo. It does matter. It will matter down the line. When the other side has Fascist Trump who is amassing large, excited crowds--it's surely something to be concerned about.

The two photos are indicative of whose campaign is really about 'bread and circus'.

Which one is about thoughtful people interested in hearing and talking about issues-

And which people are about being entertained.

Big drop off from the party ranks.

So we can concentrate on beating the Republican.

Your narrative is lacking in facts.

Also, Bernie has won those ever so winnable states of Nebraska, Kansas, and Oklahoma. We'll win Mississippi before we win those.

She has been slandered for 25 years. What good will Trump's stupid infantile name-calling do?

Sanders is the one who hasn't been on the receiving end of right-wing hate. Once he is, his negatives will spike because he's a soft supple target.

Also, nice job trying to pivot the argument from your initial lousy argument about the states Hillary has been winning. I guess you were right to abandon that argument since that was slightly weaker than a paralytic salamander.

The enthusiasm is overwhelming !!!

FEEL THE BERN - 2016

And they must have had to wait for minutes in that 10 ft line.

Why there must be dozens of enthusiastic supporters there!

gonna take it, anymoooooore"

that's the downside of being the default candidate: you can only lose support

in a row. He hasn't accounted for any of the problems yet.

In February, the Federal Election Commission sent the Sanders campaign two letters breaking down the campaign's possible illegal and foreign contributions. Both letters - one addressing the campaign's quarterly report for the quarter ending in December and another addressing the campaign's January report point out two overriding themes in Sanders' campaign finance trouble besides for the fact that they don't seem to be able to add (in both letters, FEC noted the Sanders' campaign's problem balancing the ledger): illegal over-contributions and donations from foreign addresses not properly accounted for to confirm their US citizenship.


http://www.thepeoplesview.net/main/2016/3/14/bernie-sanders-potentially-illegal-campaign-contributions

You know you have problems when the best you can do against an opponent is carp on and on about standard, minor bookkeeping between a campaign and the regulators.

Oh wait, I almost forgot...

Uh no, bad accounting, twice in fact.

And you damned well know it. So imagine how pathetic you appear when that is all you can dredge up.

BTW, who is buying access to Hillary today?

Can you imagine the debt she incurred to all those corporations having business before the government?

I can already hear your excuses and all I can do is shake my head and think of you typing with glee about Bernie's campaign engaging in STANDARD accounting exchanges with the FEC.

$21,648,000

courtesy of Hillary

They don't look very happy. A Hillary supporter posted a photo awhile back that showed a group shot of the Florida Black Caucus when they endorsed her and they didn't look very happy either. It's weird.

Anaway, at the self same moment there was a Bernie rally cross town... they want to be feelin' the Bern!

in favor of what they think is best for their own interests.

Those people look on the verge of tears.

folded hands, inattention.

I didn't expect this thread to be funny...

came from the candidates own mouth.

Hit my funny bone, there.

And that aside, smaller events give a candidate a better chance to connect with voters. Again, let's look at who has more votes and then decide who is more effective.

Hillary is a slightly bigger fish than Bernie in a SMALL POND.

Bernie does MUCH BETTER in the other 70% than Hillary does.

So what is your point?

Do you imagine that the GE is made up of only Democratic voters? If so, WAKE UP!

I'm not an idiot, I know that the general election electorate isn't made up of only Democrats, but at this point he has to win Democrats in order win the primary and so far he has lost registered Democrats in most states.

But, the point of my post was that crowds don't equal votes, they never do. Clinton is bringing voters to the polls, Sanders is not. End of discussion.

I have read many threads about how we have to win the GE, and yet they are the very people who want to have Hillary as the nominee.
If they are REALLY serious and concerned about winning the GE, then they should be campaigning for the MOST ELECTABLE candidate for the GE.

You seem to have missed Clintons little gathering in Florida on March 15th. It was 1.1 million strong.

I'm impressed by Sanders rallies and they should be recognized. But it is now fact that comparing the two in this manner is insignificant outside of the rallies themselves.

Sid

And considering the her massive popular vote and delegate lead, I'm pretty sure she's made the right choice.

She is a much better speaker than she thinks she is.

Her speeches must really kick butt.

for this country during her time as FL of Arkansas and FLOTUS. The fact that she has led the life she has made her a good draw for events so she was hired to speak. Good for her.

Plus she and Bill do a lot of good with their money through the CGI and their other programs.

You can watch her last paid speech here:

The one on one Q&A's not so much, they're Town Hall-esque and the questions a very likely hand picked (nothing wrong with that either, mind you).

The round tables you know they picked the student or the mechanic or the small business owner beforehand but the conversations they have are genuine. At most Clinton was briefed about the people before talking to them.

I think the low key approach was chosen to go to the convention without much drama or fanfare. Obama famously cancelled rallies in 2012 because he couldn't fill stadiums, if the media wanted to they could've easily used that against him (I don't recall it happening much).

Once the general comes around she'll have to start filling big venues to energize the base. I'm not saying I don't think she will (she'll be the first woman nominee so people will want to participate just to say they were "there" and such). But there could be hiccups as the thing starts, last minute pushes to get the seats filled, potential PR blunders* from memos going out urging people to bring a friend and their friends to bring a friend, etc.

*I say blunder because the media would make any efforts to fill seats out to be an issue for her.

I would rather have more votes.

She does MUCH WORSE than Bernie in the other 70%

Now, which is more relevant in the GE? (not a trick question)

to get in was an 1/64 of mile long!!!!!!

Somehow, even that seems like an overestimate

I don't believe there are more than 41 people there

I was trying to be kind..........

and a greater understanding of a candidate and politics in general.

The other group will hear a canned stump speech and go away barely more informed than they came.

and thinks Monsanto is peachy?

TIA.

perhaps because a bunch of people in a field listening to the same old stump speech by Bernie doesn't beat a candidate who actually talks to people and listens to what they are saying. That kind of campaigning seems to be working!

But I'm a Hillary supporter so I think Bernie should keep it up!

because they are bored with his speech. . . yea, that sounds really smart, if you live in fantasy land.
But we do agree, he should DEFINITELY keep it up!!!

it's just that most people are bored with it. For all I know, there will be people following Bernie until the day he dies. I wouldn't be surprised at all. Look at Jimmy Buffet! It defies reason!

It is just the OPPOSITE what you are saying. YOU may think you are bored with Bernie's speech, but every day, he has new crowds in the 10s of THOUSANDS.

Do you imagine, somewhere in your thought process, that all these NEW crowds are coming because they are BORED?

You do know that makes NO SENSE. When people are BORED with something, they don't take a lot of time and put a lot of effort into going to something they don't want to see. Do you get that?

YOU may not like what Bernie says, but just because you don't, it isn't an intelligent thing to project that feeling onto everyone else. You are wrong. Why am I not surprised?

Things are so gloomy around DU lately, we need comic relief more than ever.

Hope all's well.

If you want to talk in your thread or show more photos or anything, that would nice. Oh btw, the lady on the right who was smiling at the camera -- is that her and did you take the photo? She looked so happy, her eyes were shining. If I'm wrong, then you must have had a really happy aunt.

There are a bunch of slides to convert to digital. I'm thinking of building some kind of box and lens system for my digital camera.

The films are another matter. Some will make interesting YouTube clips, for instance one shows donkey baseball out at China Lake in California in the mid-50s.

You could see the love and happiness in her eyes. It must be nice to look at it. I hope you keep a framed copy where you can see it anytime you want. Or, I guess, on a cell phone. You can see the love. That must be nice for you.

I don't even know what a box and lens system is. Are you mechanically inclined and technical?

I don't know what donkey baseball is, either. You must feel like you're talking to a...not even sure what the politically correct term would be ... really slow person. I didn't pick up a lot of facts/data as a kid -- mainly took in impressions. Now in old age, I'm gathering factual knowledge of the world, with the help of all the good stuff on the Internet. It's fun, wish I'd done it sooner.

I know it's hard. It takes time. It's incredibly good that you loved each other.

It's clear the donkeys aren't very interested. Everything seems so disorganized, I'm surprised that guy scored a home run. Was kind of worried when the big guy was trying to get on a little donkey. Did you ever play it? It does look like fun, at least for the people.

Thanks for the image of the film converting gadget. I wonder how it converts images to bits and bytes? Probably sees each frame as a pattern of pixels, maps them to 0s and 1s with some sort of instructions to recompose the entirety. Or I could be way off.

Thanks for sharing them, Spitfire. Looks like you have your work cut out for you!

That's how the Democrats got it for a symbol.

They don't deserve it. Modern day Republicans should have a predator, one that destroys and/or enslaves entire communities of other animals.

It might even be possible to break it down into types of Republicans -- neocons, neoliberals, Tea Party, white supremacists, etc.

nothing.

Funny, if you put all their voters in one place guess who'd have more?

And how many of those rally crowds actually turn out to vote?