2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumBernie Sanders Shuts Down Calls for Him to Drop Out—NOT Happening!
"Published on Mar 19, 2016Since Hillary Clinton's victory on March 15, the Democratic establishment, media pundits, and Hillary supporters have called for Bernie Sanders to drop out and rally around Hillary Clinton. Bernie Sanders responded to these calls by shutting them down. #StillSanders"
Here's a good video for Bernie's supporter's
Fyi, there's a swear word near the end.
MaggieD
(7,393 posts)merrily
(45,251 posts)merrily
(45,251 posts)Someone show me where it's written that a primary is supposed to end on March 15. Utter nonsense.
BeyondGeography
(39,370 posts)NWCorona
(8,541 posts)Not that I agree but I can definitely see both sides to that strategy.
katmondoo
(6,455 posts)There is still a long way to go, lots of people want a chance to support him
CorporatistNation
(2,546 posts)appal_jack
(3,813 posts)It's not like any Republican candidate is going to hold back, or for that matter, worry about being called sexist or racially insensitive.
I'd prefer that people find out now. There is still time for Bernie to win the candidacy.
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CorporatistNation
(2,546 posts)These are more than speedbumps...
CorporatistNation
(2,546 posts)THEN and ONLY THEN will this "bastardized" Democratic Primary be decided... By The People NOT The Corporatist OLIGARCHY!
pdsimdars
(6,007 posts)don't argue, just post that Hillary should quit for the good of the party and the good of the country before she is indicted. But don't argue on their framing, change the dialogue
MisterP
(23,730 posts)you gotta call out what they're doing, not just push back
appal_jack
(3,813 posts)Karmadillo
(9,253 posts)take back the Democratic Party from the corrupt elites who have made it the tool of the one percent. Thomas Frank's "Listen Liberal" puts it nicely:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/robert-scheer/scheer-intelligence-thoma_b_9499772.html
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F: Yeah, thats the key word, is meritocracy. Or, you know, the different word for it is professionalism. So what I looked at is, why has the Democratic Partywhy havent they been more aggressive on the subject of inequality? Why do they do things like, you know, the Clintons welfare reform? By the way, he did that in 1996; this is simultaneous with the series of bank deregulations that hes doing. So hes cracking down on poor peopleyou know, they passed the big omnibus crime law in 1994cracking down on the poor, and at the same time letting Wall Street do whatever it wanted. You know, giving them unprecedented freedom; the law is not going to be enforced on these people anymore. These are Democrats that did this, its not Republicans. And they did it wholeheartedly. So the question is, why do they do things like that? And so you know, its a historical mystery. So I went back, and the answer that I finally came up with is, because, is that the Democratic Party itself has changed. And in particular, whats changed about them is the social class that they answer to, that they respect, that they come from OK? And this isthe social classyou know, we used to identify Democrats with workers, with organized labor, with the sons of toil, blue collarwhatever you want to call it, right? But that changed, and beginning in the 1970s, Democrats began to identify themselves with the professional class. And they have all sorts of really nifty ways of describing that group of people, very flattering ways. And youve heard some of these. Remember, the symbolic analysts was one; wired workers is one; the creative class is one they use a lot right now. But this is basically, this is the group that Democrats idolize; this is the group that they, from where their support comes; and its also the group from which leading Democrats themselves are drawn. So they have internalized the way this certain stratum of society view the world. Theyve internalized that; its very natural to them, and the centerpiece of that way of viewing the world is meritocracy. You get what you deserve, and what you deserve is defined by how you did in school.
RS: Yeah, but it also means, of course, that youve succeeded through dint of hard work, and not by selling out, not by betraying the people you came from, not by accepting benefits. So you know, if your son-in-law has a hedge fund thats not doing well, but hes making a lot of money, its not because Lloyd Blankfein helped him out; its not because they want to curry favor with the Clintons. No; hes just finding his measure, and hell get it.
TF: [Laughs] I know what youre talking about there. Thats not exactly the direction I was going to go in. What I was going to say is that, as a group, professionals are very interesting. So basically, you see what Im getting at here, is Im saying that the Democrats are a political partytheyre a class party. OK? Theyre a party that has internalized, I mean completely and utterly, one hundred percent, have internalized the world view of a particular social class, OK? And one of the peculiar things about thatso they look at people like hedge fund managers on Wall Street, or Wall Street bankers. And they see those people as colleagues, as classmates; as friends, even. And this is just in the last 20 years; in the old days, as you know, Robert, Democrats habitually regarded Wall Street as the arch-fiend, you know. You look at Franklin Roosevelt or Harry Truman or William Jennings Bryan, these guys always, forever denouncing Wall Streetwell, with Bill Clinton, and even before Bill Clinton, Democrats came to see it kind of differently. This is the creative class; this is a creative industry, theyre making these really nifty derivative securities, theyre addressing risk, theres all this wonderful complexity going on. And so they see something like Wall Street and the meltdown thereyou know, the complete collapse on Wall Streetand theyre like, oh, how can we help? How can we help? The idea that Wall Street was engaged in, like, world historic fraud is not an idea that occurs to them naturally, or that is even acceptable to them.
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