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reformist2

(9,841 posts)
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 06:13 PM Mar 2016

I have to think the people voting for Hillary don't care all that much about corruption.

Because if Hillary Clinton isn't corrupted by Big Money, then NOBODY is. Maybe honest people can argue about the degree of her corruption, but after a candidate takes tens of millions of dollars from Wall Street banks both personally and for her campaign, it cannot be credibly argued that she hasn't been significantly corrupted by this money.

So, why are Hillary supporters voting the way they are? Clearly, they have other priorities. Perhaps they think Hillary's experience and qualifications are more important than going with a true-blue liberal who might be ineffective as president. Or maybe they're worried about the general election, and think that Hillary is the better bet against Trump, despite what the polls currently say. I'm not putting those viewpoints down. They're perfectly understandable, and reasonable, even. I just think it's important to understand what's driving everyone here. It might help down the road, when we finally decide on a nominee.

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I have to think the people voting for Hillary don't care all that much about corruption. (Original Post) reformist2 Mar 2016 OP
I have to think SOME people voting for Bernie don't care all that much about research. n/t Lucinda Mar 2016 #1
Care to elaborate? think Mar 2016 #4
Oh, it was just a random thought that popped into their head. Tere's no elaboration, just a thought pdsimdars Mar 2016 #9
They just mean he can't accomplish everything he is talking about TheFarseer Mar 2016 #80
Lucinda, do you mean we don't know much about the issues? casperthegm Mar 2016 #18
No. My implication was that SOME of you don't actually know much about mine. Lucinda Mar 2016 #24
But that's like work and stuff! synergie Mar 2016 #68
You know the Bernie folks need to stop demonizing the people who vote for Hillary. redstatebluegirl Mar 2016 #2
There is one and only one campaign that started all the lies, smears and swift boating pdsimdars Mar 2016 #13
Hillary has divided the party with lies and dirty tricks. Her jwirr Mar 2016 #14
You write as though corruption is a bad thing Fumesucker Mar 2016 #36
Pulitzer Prize winning historian Arthur Schlesinger, Jr... PAMod Mar 2016 #53
I criticize support for bad policy. Maedhros Mar 2016 #54
Party Affiliation Is No Predictor of Integrity or Character or Quality of Performance! CorporatistNation Mar 2016 #72
It is about questionable morals and decisions she has made, and how anyone can stand with her. n/t insta8er Mar 2016 #76
Can we please stop smearing Democrats here? MaggieD Mar 2016 #3
I'm not smearing Hillary supporters. I'm stating that corruption is not a top priority of theirs. reformist2 Mar 2016 #15
Stop smearing Democrats MaggieD Mar 2016 #21
this is starting to sound like spam. nt grasswire Mar 2016 #27
The OP, yes it does. JoePhilly Mar 2016 #73
Hey, we got ourselves another new camp commandante'! Smarmie Doofus Mar 2016 #45
"Corruption" is the new B-team whistle for Clintonian: ucrdem Mar 2016 #50
Democrats or DINOs? Loudestlib Mar 2016 #55
That is very apparent. BillZBubb Mar 2016 #5
Recently I've heard people say they don't care about finance reform astrophuss42 Mar 2016 #6
Yes. I think Hillary supporters have other priorities, and I'm interested in hearing them. reformist2 Mar 2016 #17
No, you aren't, not really. leftofcool Mar 2016 #26
What laws has she been found guilty of breaking? n/t doc03 Mar 2016 #7
Is that where the bar is now? As long as she hasn't been convicted, it's all OK? Scuba Mar 2016 #67
Well last time I checked this was still America were you are supposed to doc03 Mar 2016 #69
Seems like everyone else is held to a "no appearance of impropriety" standard, or should be. Scuba Mar 2016 #70
Only one candidate, out of either party, is currently under an FBI criminal investigation. HooptieWagon Mar 2016 #78
Just what has she been charged with? You guys blame the police for being the doc03 Mar 2016 #81
It seems you failed reading comprehension. HooptieWagon Mar 2016 #82
We fucking knew that Fox News doesn't let anyone forget so doc03 Mar 2016 #83
You deny she's under FBI investigation? HooptieWagon Mar 2016 #84
This is a Democratic site. Disparaging Democrats is not acceptable leftofcool Mar 2016 #8
Then why does the Clinton campaign come out every day with another lie or smear? pdsimdars Mar 2016 #16
News Flash! Hillary doesn't even talk about Bernie. He is irrelevant. leftofcool Mar 2016 #25
And yet the lies and smears keep coming. . . . . . pdsimdars Mar 2016 #52
Oh? Does this edict extend to Sanders and his supporters? ebayfool Mar 2016 #30
Do they care about voting yes to wars for political expediency? Broward Mar 2016 #10
The same was true of the Bushies. grasswire Mar 2016 #11
Sam here Gwhittey Mar 2016 #19
So reading the replies I think answer is they don't care. Gwhittey Mar 2016 #12
I love this kind of Psychobabble. JoePhilly Mar 2016 #57
Agree, Ferd Berfel Mar 2016 #20
Gun Control redstatebluegirl Mar 2016 #22
I don't denegrate Democrats either Ferd Berfel Mar 2016 #28
You just did, I rest my case. redstatebluegirl Mar 2016 #33
FDR was a rich establishment figure just like Hillary. OhZone Mar 2016 #77
"Rich" isn't the measure Ferd Berfel Mar 2016 #85
And she has progressive policies - OhZone Mar 2016 #87
Gun control is why you should be interested Mnpaul Mar 2016 #71
It's the appearance of corruption. Newkularblue Mar 2016 #23
Do you guys have a quota on anti-Hillary and anti-Hillary supporters threads? hrmjustin Mar 2016 #29
Obviously not. leftofcool Mar 2016 #31
April 19th and 26th is coming! hrmjustin Mar 2016 #32
They don't stop until every pro-Bernie OP has been pushed to the bottom of GDP ... JoePhilly Mar 2016 #35
He Joe! Good to see you. hrmjustin Mar 2016 #37
THANKS!!!! I was pardoned ... JoePhilly Mar 2016 #40
I was pardoned halfway through my 90 day sentence. hrmjustin Mar 2016 #41
I kind of enjoyed it ... JoePhilly Mar 2016 #42
I liked it as well and truth be told I would have been fine if my sentence was not lifted. hrmjustin Mar 2016 #44
Same ... I'm a smart ass in real life too ... JoePhilly Mar 2016 #48
Yeah when they are openly posting they are voting for Jill Stein you know they are going hrmjustin Mar 2016 #49
exactly ... nt JoePhilly Mar 2016 #51
Get over yourself. JoePhilly Mar 2016 #34
Death throes of a dying campaign. nt LexVegas Mar 2016 #38
I want Hillary because she has survived the GOP assault for 20 years. FarPoint Mar 2016 #39
+ 100 JoePhilly Mar 2016 #43
Thank you for admitting it has nothing to do with good governance or progressive policy.[n/t] Maedhros Mar 2016 #56
Don't get ahead of yourself.... FarPoint Mar 2016 #59
You know, you're right! Maedhros Mar 2016 #60
I see Hillary more with the heart of... FarPoint Mar 2016 #61
I'm not sure about corruption. HassleCat Mar 2016 #46
No, deathrind Mar 2016 #47
All the smearing and not one shred of proof of quid pro quo redstateblues Mar 2016 #58
I believe in coincidences. They happen all the time. think Mar 2016 #64
Ayup. We see it... AzDar Mar 2016 #62
It is not corruption if it benefits you. PowerToThePeople Mar 2016 #63
Jury results: MerryBlooms Mar 2016 #65
I think we mostly have a clearer idea of what the word "corruption" means than you do. N.T. Donald Ian Rankin Mar 2016 #66
I think the former Democratic Kentucky representative Romano Mazzoli said it well... EndElectoral Mar 2016 #74
I think they know. They don't want to be called out on it. They won't admit Bernie is less corrupt. reformist2 Mar 2016 #75
The Condescension Campaign redstateblues Mar 2016 #79
A long habit of not thinking a thing wrong gives it a superficial appearance of being right. Paine Tierra_y_Libertad Mar 2016 #86
 

pdsimdars

(6,007 posts)
9. Oh, it was just a random thought that popped into their head. Tere's no elaboration, just a thought
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 06:24 PM
Mar 2016

TheFarseer

(9,322 posts)
80. They just mean he can't accomplish everything he is talking about
Sun Mar 20, 2016, 09:12 PM
Mar 2016

It's much better to not try anything and complain the republicans won't let you do anything. Now that's success!

casperthegm

(643 posts)
18. Lucinda, do you mean we don't know much about the issues?
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 06:30 PM
Mar 2016

So we don't really know much about our candidate? I've got a small list of actual issues to start with. Want to compare?

Opposes Citizens United and proves it by not taking outsider money

Doesn't give speeches to Wall Street for hundreds of thousands of dollars each

Voted against Iraq War, as it would lead to instability in the region, ie the rise of ISIS. And he was right.

1% and corporations pay their fair share

Marriage equality from the beginning

For Glass Steagall

Opposed NAFTA

Opposed the TPP (from the start)

Sincere about the environment; opposed Keystone from the start and is against fracking

Sincere about income inequality

Supports healthcare coverage for everyone, expanding upon the ACA

Supports free college for all, as an educated society benefits all

redstatebluegirl

(12,265 posts)
2. You know the Bernie folks need to stop demonizing the people who vote for Hillary.
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 06:16 PM
Mar 2016

Both are Democrats, if the trolls on DU and other sites are successful in dividing the Democrats in two camps who can't vote for the other, we lose the White House to Donald Trump, or worse, Ted Cruz. This just plain needs to stop.

 

pdsimdars

(6,007 posts)
13. There is one and only one campaign that started all the lies, smears and swift boating
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 06:27 PM
Mar 2016

punch you in the face and then cry "peace, peace"
Get real. If the Clinton campaign stops all the lies and smears, THEN they have a leg to stand on. But until they do, they can't expect others to stay silent. I mean, REALLY!

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
14. Hillary has divided the party with lies and dirty tricks. Her
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 06:28 PM
Mar 2016

supporters have very little to do with why we do not like her. This year we have two candidates who are going in exact opposite directions. That is the division and nothing else. They also run two totally different kinds of campaigns.

I personally that it is not about supporters. It is about real divisions that do not have a central uniting line. There is no way that the goals can be united.

Fumesucker

(45,851 posts)
36. You write as though corruption is a bad thing
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 06:45 PM
Mar 2016

Corruption is the way the people's business gets done in Washington, it's the order of the day and all the Very Serious People are quite fine with it as long as they get their share. Only far left kooks like Sanders try to rain on the parade of lucre and all it does is make them look unSerious.

PAMod

(906 posts)
53. Pulitzer Prize winning historian Arthur Schlesinger, Jr...
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 07:13 PM
Mar 2016

wrote about that very thing in "A Thousand Days" in 1965:

"From the start of the republic American progressivism has had two strains, related but distinct...pragmatists accepted the responsibility of power – and thereby risked corruption. The utopians refused complicity with power - and thereby risked irrelevance...”

Seems relevant to this, um, discussion.

 

Maedhros

(10,007 posts)
54. I criticize support for bad policy.
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 07:19 PM
Mar 2016

If that bad policy originates from a Democrat, does that make it off limits for criticism?

CorporatistNation

(2,546 posts)
72. Party Affiliation Is No Predictor of Integrity or Character or Quality of Performance!
Sun Mar 20, 2016, 07:19 PM
Mar 2016

IT IS ALL ABOUT THE QUALITY OF THE CANDIDATE... LIKE CHARACTER, INTEGRITY, QUALITY OF PAST JUDGEMENT(S) AND DECISION MAKING... YA KNOW THE IMPORTANT STUFF! Hillary being a Democrat might just be a "Tool" to enable her to achieve her personal goals? Think about it...

 

insta8er

(960 posts)
76. It is about questionable morals and decisions she has made, and how anyone can stand with her. n/t
Sun Mar 20, 2016, 07:58 PM
Mar 2016

decisions

 

MaggieD

(7,393 posts)
3. Can we please stop smearing Democrats here?
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 06:16 PM
Mar 2016

There is never a shred of substance to these kind of posts. Be respectful that you're at a site to support Democrats. Take it somewhere else.

reformist2

(9,841 posts)
15. I'm not smearing Hillary supporters. I'm stating that corruption is not a top priority of theirs.
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 06:29 PM
Mar 2016

Not every issue can be a top priority. It's OK.
 

MaggieD

(7,393 posts)
21. Stop smearing Democrats
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 06:31 PM
Mar 2016

Be respectful that you're at a site to support Democrats. Take it somewhere else.

 

Smarmie Doofus

(14,498 posts)
45. Hey, we got ourselves another new camp commandante'!
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 07:01 PM
Mar 2016

Ain't we lucky?

ETA: Note the implication. Corruption itself is OK.

But TALKING ABOUT IT might get you into trouble around here.

ucrdem

(15,512 posts)
50. "Corruption" is the new B-team whistle for Clintonian:
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 07:08 PM
Mar 2016


Evidently "Wall Street" was raising embarrassing questions.

astrophuss42

(290 posts)
6. Recently I've heard people say they don't care about finance reform
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 06:19 PM
Mar 2016

Was pretty blown away but everyone comes from their own perspective I guess.

doc03

(35,325 posts)
69. Well last time I checked this was still America were you are supposed to
Sun Mar 20, 2016, 06:18 PM
Mar 2016

bee presumed innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. Maybe not in Bernie's country.

 

Scuba

(53,475 posts)
70. Seems like everyone else is held to a "no appearance of impropriety" standard, or should be.
Sun Mar 20, 2016, 06:48 PM
Mar 2016

Hilly has so many appearance of impropriety that it's difficult to summarize them all.

doc03

(35,325 posts)
81. Just what has she been charged with? You guys blame the police for being the
Sun Mar 20, 2016, 10:35 PM
Mar 2016

the judge, jury and executioner when they shoot someone. But when it comes to Hillary Clinton
you declare her guilty just because she is being investigated. You people really need to quit polluting DU with your
Republican talking points.

 

HooptieWagon

(17,064 posts)
82. It seems you failed reading comprehension.
Sun Mar 20, 2016, 11:03 PM
Mar 2016

She hasn't been charged, no one has said that. If charged, it's up to a judge or jury if she's found guilty.
However, the FACTS are that she is currently under an FBI investigation. It's not a Republican talking point, it's not conjecture, it is a fact. It is also a fact that none of the other candidates are currently being investigated by FBI.

doc03

(35,325 posts)
83. We fucking knew that Fox News doesn't let anyone forget so
Sun Mar 20, 2016, 11:20 PM
Mar 2016

why do you think you have to repeat their bullshit. Your concern has been noted so you can rest now.

leftofcool

(19,460 posts)
8. This is a Democratic site. Disparaging Democrats is not acceptable
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 06:21 PM
Mar 2016

Please take your posts to reddit or a place you can bash Hillary 24/7

 

pdsimdars

(6,007 posts)
16. Then why does the Clinton campaign come out every day with another lie or smear?
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 06:29 PM
Mar 2016

Answer that and then you have some ground to stand on. Until then it's nothing but good old fashioned double standard hypocrisy.

ebayfool

(3,411 posts)
30. Oh? Does this edict extend to Sanders and his supporters?
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 06:40 PM
Mar 2016

The guy running on the Democratic ticket?

grasswire

(50,130 posts)
11. The same was true of the Bushies.
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 06:25 PM
Mar 2016

Exact same type of cluster mentality. I observed it closely for years as I monitored freerepublic.com.

 

Gwhittey

(1,377 posts)
19. Sam here
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 06:30 PM
Mar 2016

This is why most of the zombies on her are all "For good of the party" Both parties have mind fucked them so bad that they can not see how both sides are bad. What is sad is that GOP right now are actually more aware of corruption flocking behind Trump. It is sad really that HRC is in lead. At least Trump is pandering fighting against crocked politicians.

 

Gwhittey

(1,377 posts)
12. So reading the replies I think answer is they don't care.
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 06:26 PM
Mar 2016

They are basically telling you to ignore this because I assume it makes they ashamed. Deep down they know you can not get paid millions of dollars then have record as HRC does of changing votes once she gets paid is honest. Funny the ones who say What has she done illegal. I guess they are so low-information they never even heard of the changes to camping finance laws that have been done over last 20 years.

JoePhilly

(27,787 posts)
57. I love this kind of Psychobabble.
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 07:24 PM
Mar 2016

You will have to do better than this is you want to be one of DU's High Priests of Liberalism who gets to look down and judge everyone else here.

But hey ... good luck. I hear a spot just opened up.

Ferd Berfel

(3,687 posts)
20. Agree,
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 06:30 PM
Mar 2016

they just don't care about corruption, democracy the economy or National Sovereignty

You have to be able to ignore one hellova lot to go there.

Because it's her turn. goodgod

redstatebluegirl

(12,265 posts)
22. Gun Control
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 06:32 PM
Mar 2016

Is primary in my decision. In this case Hillary is more in line with my values. As I have said, if Bernie is the nominee I will vote for him because he is the nominee of my party. I don't denigrate Democrats.

OhZone

(3,212 posts)
77. FDR was a rich establishment figure just like Hillary.
Sun Mar 20, 2016, 08:01 PM
Mar 2016

And despite rich doners and friends, he did the right thing, as will Hillary.

So go to freerepublic.com with these democratic smears, OP.

Also - just about all the scandals and attacks on the Clintons from day one turned out to be lies, so, yes, we care about corruption, but we don't think she's corrupt. The Clintons are the victims of the GOP smears and corporate media.

This site is supposed to set the record straight and fight the corporate GOP lies, not pass them on.

Oh Goddess, I can't wait till the primaries are over!

OhZone

(3,212 posts)
87. And she has progressive policies -
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 07:54 PM
Mar 2016

And FDR wouldn't have been as socialist without a Great Depression. Revolutions don't happen in America without something, excuse the expression, HUGE! Sorry.

Newkularblue

(130 posts)
23. It's the appearance of corruption.
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 06:32 PM
Mar 2016

Whether the Clintons are crooks or saints is completely irrelevant; especially to the repubs.

When your career is dedicated to civil or military service you're automatically held to a higher standard. Fair, no. But it is what it is.

They dont have to be corrupt or on the take if they engage in activities that allow them to be labeled as crooked. Just think of the hours and hours of Clinton foundation "scandal" that low info voters will be constantly subject to should Hillary win out.

JoePhilly

(27,787 posts)
42. I kind of enjoyed it ...
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 06:57 PM
Mar 2016

... it was like the first few years I came here ... I lurked and never posted anything.

By not participating, the trollish behavior from some of those pretending to be Bernie supporters became very very obvious.

Some of them are still here ... but you can already see them being a little more cautious after WillT went supernova ...


 

hrmjustin

(71,265 posts)
44. I liked it as well and truth be told I would have been fine if my sentence was not lifted.
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 06:59 PM
Mar 2016

Du can be addictive. The primary battles have made me jaded and snarky.

JoePhilly

(27,787 posts)
48. Same ... I'm a smart ass in real life too ...
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 07:06 PM
Mar 2016

... and that works much better in person than it does on line sometimes.

But I went 20k posts with less then 2 hides. And then got 2 in the fall, and 3 in a span of a week ... clearly stalked.

But its ok ... those folks are going to flame out very soon.

 

hrmjustin

(71,265 posts)
49. Yeah when they are openly posting they are voting for Jill Stein you know they are going
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 07:08 PM
Mar 2016

to flame out.

JoePhilly

(27,787 posts)
34. Get over yourself.
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 06:44 PM
Mar 2016

I have known Evangelical Baptists Priests who are less self-righteous.

Here's an idea.

You think you are part of a "movement".

Maybe if you spent half as much time promoting Bernie and your "movement" as you do attacking Hillary, and other Democrats, you'd be winning more primaries.

Now ... if your sermon is over, perhaps you can come down from the lectern.

FarPoint

(12,338 posts)
39. I want Hillary because she has survived the GOP assault for 20 years.
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 06:48 PM
Mar 2016

Yes, our current political environment is toxic...she can breathe there and survive and advance our needs....It is what it is and first and foremost, we need someone who can survive the evil onslot of GOP deeds... You can't bring a bundt cake to a gunfight.

FarPoint

(12,338 posts)
59. Don't get ahead of yourself....
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 07:25 PM
Mar 2016

I just addressed the nugget issue.....Hillary will be brilliant as President.... She knows how to play the " Game of Thrones ".

You see, my comment came with peaceful discussion... Your message feels snarky and mean spirited. So, Bye

 

HassleCat

(6,409 posts)
46. I'm not sure about corruption.
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 07:01 PM
Mar 2016

After all, she is within the law. I don't like what she is doing, but it appears legal. There are other things not to care about. We better get used to not caring about capital punishment, significant healthcare reform, getting into another bogus war, etc. There are several issues where it's difficult to see exactly where Clinton stands, so we better be ready to not care abut any of them. That way, we won't be disappointed.

 

think

(11,641 posts)
64. I believe in coincidences. They happen all the time.
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 07:41 PM
Mar 2016
Hillary Helps a Bank—and Then It Funnels Millions to the Clintons

The Swiss bank UBS is one of the biggest, most powerful financial institutions in the world. As secretary of state, Hillary Clinton intervened to help it out with the IRS. And after that, the Swiss bank paid Bill Clinton $1.5 million for speaking gigs. The Wall Street Journal reported all that and more Thursday in an article that highlights huge conflicts of interest that the Clintons have created in the recent past.

~Snip~

The article adds that “there is no evidence of any link between Mrs. Clinton’s involvement in the case and the bank’s donations to the Bill, Hillary and Chelsea Clinton Foundation, or its hiring of Mr. Clinton.” Maybe it’s all a mere coincidence, and when UBS agreed to pay Bill Clinton $1.5 million the relevant decision-maker wasn’t even aware of the vast sum his wife may have saved the bank or the power that she will potentially wield after the 2016 presidential election.

But even that wouldn’t make accepting the $1.5 million excusable.

If you’re Bill Clinton and your wife has recently intervened, in her capacity as a cabinet secretary, to help a giant corporation avert a significant threat to its bottom-line, the very least you could do, if only to avoid the appearance of impropriety, is to avoid negotiating seven-figure paydays with that same corporation. This is particularly jaw-dropping because ultra-wealthy Bill Clinton has virtually unlimited opportunities to give lucrative speeches to any number of audiences not directly implicated by decisions that his wife made as secretary of state....

Read more:
http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/07/hillary-helps-a-bankand-then-it-pays-bill-15-million-in-speaking-fees/400067/



MerryBlooms

(11,767 posts)
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EndElectoral

(4,213 posts)
74. I think the former Democratic Kentucky representative Romano Mazzoli said it well...
Sun Mar 20, 2016, 07:25 PM
Mar 2016

"People who contribute get the ear of the member and the ear of the staff. They have the access and access is it. Access is power. Access is clout. That's how this thing works." - Romano Mazzoli

Anyone who thinks Hillary Clinton is immune from the power of corporate money is naive. Often , Hillary supporters post here they are the "grown ups". Well, if they believe this money doesn't have a corruptive influence then they simply are not "grown up".



reformist2

(9,841 posts)
75. I think they know. They don't want to be called out on it. They won't admit Bernie is less corrupt.
Sun Mar 20, 2016, 07:54 PM
Mar 2016

I actually respect some of the reasons people choose to support Hillary. But honesty and being above board is certainly not one of those reasons - especially when you have someone like Bernie running!

redstateblues

(10,565 posts)
79. The Condescension Campaign
Sun Mar 20, 2016, 08:10 PM
Mar 2016

of Sanders supporters must be really working well as they are ratcheting it up. It sure makes me want to join their "we are superior" campaign. It's very appealing!

 

Tierra_y_Libertad

(50,414 posts)
86. A long habit of not thinking a thing wrong gives it a superficial appearance of being right. Paine
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 02:05 PM
Mar 2016
A long habit of not thinking a thing wrong gives it a superficial appearance of being right. Thomas Paine
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