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Ken Burch

(50,254 posts)
Sun Mar 20, 2016, 01:43 AM Mar 2016

Bernie will not be HRC's running mate.

1) It would mean giving up his Senate seat and having it get flipped over to someone way to his right. Someone who wouldn't stand for anything.

2) It would mean he would have no ability to speak out on the issues he cares about...vice presidents aren't allowed to publicly express dissenting viewpoints on anything, and it's likely that, if he were veep, she'd treat him like LBJ treated Humphrey.

3) If people thought he was too old to be president at age 75, they're not going to think it's ok for him to be vice president at the same age.


If HRC is nominated, she will have an obligation to choose a running mate from the progressive(i.e. Sanders)wing of the party. But it should be a significantly younger progressive, like Nina Turner or Keith Ellison.

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Bernie will not be HRC's running mate. (Original Post) Ken Burch Mar 2016 OP
She has no obligation to chose anyone from the Sanders wing........... Historic NY Mar 2016 #1
And conversely no one in the Sanders wing ever has an obligation to vote for her. w4rma Mar 2016 #5
You said that Historic NY Mar 2016 #6
You implied that. (nt) w4rma Mar 2016 #11
But you didn't deny it either NWCorona Mar 2016 #12
I am so tired of people saying they will not vote for her should she be the nominee... fun n serious Mar 2016 #32
They pretend to be Democrats.... Historic NY Mar 2016 #42
And? What follows? Care to have a list of the things I'm sick of? I don't think you do. DisgustipatedinCA Mar 2016 #48
It is part of the Denial stage of Grief and Loss. It too will pass for many. riversedge Mar 2016 #55
I agree with your assessment. FarPoint Mar 2016 #59
The fact that he's an independent has no bearing on Hillary's decision. NWCorona Mar 2016 #10
The Sanders wing is the Warren wing. JonLeibowitz Mar 2016 #23
And the Sanders wing has no obligation to vote for her jfern Mar 2016 #29
Then vote for Trump who cares........... Historic NY Mar 2016 #44
The judicious use of a comma would keep you from looking like a Trump supporter. DisgustipatedinCA Mar 2016 #49
Troll post Loudestlib Mar 2016 #43
Agreed! Never gonna happen NWCorona Mar 2016 #2
4) It would jeopardize her win this November. nt onehandle Mar 2016 #3
No it wouldn't. The country loves Bernie's message Ken Burch Mar 2016 #14
I wouldn't want him to do it. The Velveteen Ocelot Mar 2016 #4
Agree. pacalo Mar 2016 #9
Also, geographically, it makes no sense. CaliforniaPeggy Mar 2016 #7
She would need someone to shore up her weaknesses with Wall Street corruption. w4rma Mar 2016 #18
Absolutely. n/t CaliforniaPeggy Mar 2016 #22
I agree that Senator Sanders won't be her running mate if she gets the nomination radical noodle Mar 2016 #8
Castro is too much like her on the issues. Too status quo. Ken Burch Mar 2016 #19
That's why she would pick someone like that. The Velveteen Ocelot Mar 2016 #20
Also from what I have read about Castro he doesn't seem like a serious policy person JonLeibowitz Mar 2016 #24
Then he's perfect! The Velveteen Ocelot Mar 2016 #25
Indeed he appears to be the perfect fawning type to be her sidekick. JonLeibowitz Mar 2016 #27
Wouldn't want him on the ticket and it wouldn't make sense. NCTraveler Mar 2016 #13
Good. Zira Mar 2016 #15
She will pick a Latino to secure Florida NWCorona Mar 2016 #16
Sanders is on the budget committee. joshcryer Mar 2016 #17
Now you've jumped the shark, Ken. delrem Mar 2016 #21
The talking heads want her to pick Rubio. Waiting For Everyman Mar 2016 #26
I think Rubio is going to follow former majority whip, Eric Cantor Blus4u Mar 2016 #53
I hope she picks someone progressive. kcr Mar 2016 #28
She won't choose a progressive. She doesn't think she needs them. The Velveteen Ocelot Mar 2016 #33
Well if they pick Castro, I hope they do their research mvd Mar 2016 #34
Here's an idea. Why not ask people what they mean by "commie"? mikehiggins Mar 2016 #52
It would be interesting research indeed mvd Mar 2016 #63
Won't be Sanders, someone more like Kissinger EndElectoral Mar 2016 #30
I would lose respect for Sanders kcjohn1 Mar 2016 #31
Obama is going to campaign with her.. fun n serious Mar 2016 #35
Obama is not on the ballot kcjohn1 Mar 2016 #36
Obama will actively hit the campaign trail with Hillary fun n serious Mar 2016 #37
The Tea party left? Politicalboi Mar 2016 #39
60M Voters kcjohn1 Mar 2016 #41
He's way too good for her Politicalboi Mar 2016 #38
She hasn't committed any crimes. nt BreakfastClub Mar 2016 #46
Bernie is too old gwheezie Mar 2016 #40
I hope not. He wouldn't help her in the least. nt BreakfastClub Mar 2016 #45
Don't recall her asking him to. synergie Mar 2016 #47
And I don't recall him laughing in her face at the stupid suggestion. DisgustipatedinCA Mar 2016 #50
I doubt she would pick any running mate PATRICK Mar 2016 #51
Obligation? She will choose someone she thinks will do the best job. livetohike Mar 2016 #54
the most likely candidate will be hispanic...and points to Julian Castro beachbum bob Mar 2016 #56
My Senator Sherrod Brown of the all important Ohio will be the V.P candidate. Trust Buster Mar 2016 #57
One point. RDANGELO Mar 2016 #58
No it won't be Bernie Nonhlanhla Mar 2016 #60
She has no obligation whatsoever to pick a progressive for a VP. Nt hack89 Mar 2016 #61
My money is on Castro.. DCBob Mar 2016 #62
"she will have an obligation to choose a running mate from the progressive wing" Tarc Mar 2016 #64

Historic NY

(37,449 posts)
1. She has no obligation to chose anyone from the Sanders wing...........
Sun Mar 20, 2016, 01:48 AM
Mar 2016

he isn't a democrat, he's said so.

 

w4rma

(31,700 posts)
5. And conversely no one in the Sanders wing ever has an obligation to vote for her.
Sun Mar 20, 2016, 01:51 AM
Mar 2016

We're "not Democrats", according to you.

 

fun n serious

(4,451 posts)
32. I am so tired of people saying they will not vote for her should she be the nominee...
Sun Mar 20, 2016, 02:17 AM
Mar 2016

getting OLD and feels like a tantrum.

Historic NY

(37,449 posts)
42. They pretend to be Democrats....
Sun Mar 20, 2016, 02:46 AM
Mar 2016

you get no bong pipe, unicorns, tee shits, key chains, or popcorn. Either vote or STFU, were not twisting your arms but don't complain.

NWCorona

(8,541 posts)
10. The fact that he's an independent has no bearing on Hillary's decision.
Sun Mar 20, 2016, 01:52 AM
Mar 2016

She'd pick a Republican if she thought it would help.

If Hillary makes it to the general. She will distance herself from her borrowed Bernie platform.

 

Ken Burch

(50,254 posts)
14. No it wouldn't. The country loves Bernie's message
Sun Mar 20, 2016, 01:54 AM
Mar 2016

If the electorate weren't sharply to the left of where it was in 1992, Bernie would have had no significant support in the primaries at all.
He wouldn't have gone from 6% to over 40% in a matter of months.

There's good reasons for Bernie not to take that offer if it comes, but he wouldn't be a liability in electoral terms.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,520 posts)
4. I wouldn't want him to do it.
Sun Mar 20, 2016, 01:51 AM
Mar 2016

Vice Presidents don't have much power; their only official duty is to break a tie in the Senate. He can do more good as a Senator. Hillary wouldn't choose him anyhow because I'm sure she'd prefer another centrist tool.

CaliforniaPeggy

(149,499 posts)
7. Also, geographically, it makes no sense.
Sun Mar 20, 2016, 01:52 AM
Mar 2016

It's better to have the Pres. and VP from different areas of the country as well as different socio-economic groups.

 

w4rma

(31,700 posts)
18. She would need someone to shore up her weaknesses with Wall Street corruption.
Sun Mar 20, 2016, 01:56 AM
Mar 2016

That's where both Trump and Sanders have been hammering her.

radical noodle

(7,996 posts)
8. I agree that Senator Sanders won't be her running mate if she gets the nomination
Sun Mar 20, 2016, 01:52 AM
Mar 2016

Her main obligation is to pick someone she thinks will work with her toward her goals and who can help gain votes in the GE... and hopefully someone who will help down ticket. Someone perhaps like Julian Castro. She won't pick Nina Turner or Keith Ellison for obvious reasons.

On the other hand, Bernie wouldn't pick her as a VP choice, nor would he pick anyone who had been campaigning hard for her against him.


JMHO

 

Ken Burch

(50,254 posts)
19. Castro is too much like her on the issues. Too status quo.
Sun Mar 20, 2016, 01:56 AM
Mar 2016

We don't need Cisneros the Second as veep. Picking a centrist who happens to be a POC is not diversity.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,520 posts)
20. That's why she would pick someone like that.
Sun Mar 20, 2016, 01:57 AM
Mar 2016

She thinks centrism is the way to go and she doesn't think she needs progressives.

JonLeibowitz

(6,282 posts)
24. Also from what I have read about Castro he doesn't seem like a serious policy person
Sun Mar 20, 2016, 02:07 AM
Mar 2016

More like an ambitious political schmoozer. Politico ran a story a few months ago. It left me feeling

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
13. Wouldn't want him on the ticket and it wouldn't make sense.
Sun Mar 20, 2016, 01:53 AM
Mar 2016

It will be about the future of the party.

joshcryer

(62,265 posts)
17. Sanders is on the budget committee.
Sun Mar 20, 2016, 01:56 AM
Mar 2016

He will very likely get bumped to the head of the committee.

So I agree, he would be losing a lot of sway if he was the VP.

delrem

(9,688 posts)
21. Now you've jumped the shark, Ken.
Sun Mar 20, 2016, 02:00 AM
Mar 2016

HRC will do what those who pay her task her to do.
It won't have fuck all to do with this "campaign".

Waiting For Everyman

(9,385 posts)
26. The talking heads want her to pick Rubio.
Sun Mar 20, 2016, 02:12 AM
Mar 2016

It's hard to imagine how she could make a bigger mistake than the Nancy Reagan/poison blood fiasco, but if she did pick him that would be it.

I wouldn't put it past her.

After all, poor little Marco isn't going to get elected to any office anymore, and he's the Deep Pockets' darling.

Sanders wouldn't be on a ticket with dirty money Hilly, and I wouldn't want him to.

I think we should insist on Alan Grayson, as a condition of voting for her. That guy could keep an eye on our valuables and keep her straight if anybody could.

Blus4u

(608 posts)
53. I think Rubio is going to follow former majority whip, Eric Cantor
Sun Mar 20, 2016, 07:24 AM
Mar 2016

who headed straight to K Street. "Little Marco" knows where he will be best served.

Peace

kcr

(15,313 posts)
28. I hope she picks someone progressive.
Sun Mar 20, 2016, 02:13 AM
Mar 2016

I hope she doesn't pick Castro. I have a feeling that's who she'll go with, though.

mvd

(65,150 posts)
34. Well if they pick Castro, I hope they do their research
Sun Mar 20, 2016, 02:20 AM
Mar 2016

There's a chance that ignorant people will say, "look, Hillary's running with Castro! I knew she's a Commie." I don't think it would be Sanders due to his age. She'd probably choose someone young and a minority. And hopefully a good progressive that could possibly run in 2024.

mikehiggins

(5,614 posts)
52. Here's an idea. Why not ask people what they mean by "commie"?
Sun Mar 20, 2016, 07:11 AM
Mar 2016

At this point in time it seems to have lost all meaning, at least in terms of the boogie-man it was back when I was growing up. Wonder how many people under 30 actually give it a thought at all, despite how firmly the GOPukes hope and wish it is a magic wand they can use against the Dems.

I suspect the unicorns will trample that magic wand into the dustbin of history.

mvd

(65,150 posts)
63. It would be interesting research indeed
Sun Mar 20, 2016, 10:02 AM
Mar 2016

At least I don't think "socialist" would hurt Sanders like some say. It's lost meaning when they imply everyone who is a Democrat is one.

kcjohn1

(751 posts)
31. I would lose respect for Sanders
Sun Mar 20, 2016, 02:15 AM
Mar 2016

If he accepted VP spot. VP has no influence on anything and is largely ceremonial role. If offered and accepted it would be largely to get his supporters to vote for Hillary despite their concerns about her (too many issues to lust here).

It makes sense for Hillary especially if she suspects she can't get his supporters onboard. I suspect though her campaign strategy is to go right and get those "moderate" GOP voters. For all the talk of the Obama coalition I suspect she will run campaign like her husband. There is no way she going to get young voters (and black voters) to come out for her like Obama did. No use running that type of campaign.

kcjohn1

(751 posts)
36. Obama is not on the ballot
Sun Mar 20, 2016, 02:27 AM
Mar 2016

Obama would also have time winning this election. Even in the best of circumstances it is tough to win 3 straight elections, yet alone with flawed candidate with huge unfavorables.

BTW Obama got nearly 3M less votes in 2012 than in 2008 including 1M less black votes. I suspect this round more Obama voters will sit out as this will be hugely negative campaign with likely Trump vs Hillary.

 

fun n serious

(4,451 posts)
37. Obama will actively hit the campaign trail with Hillary
Sun Mar 20, 2016, 02:34 AM
Mar 2016

I think he is a fine president and believe most Democrats feel the same way. Only the tea party left has issues with him.

 

Politicalboi

(15,189 posts)
39. The Tea party left?
Sun Mar 20, 2016, 02:38 AM
Mar 2016

You mean those that support the Queen? Yeah right.

You guys are more like teabaggers anyway. And Obama shouldn't support the Queen since she went behind his back with Blumenthal. It's real weak if he shows his support.

kcjohn1

(751 posts)
41. 60M Voters
Sun Mar 20, 2016, 02:43 AM
Mar 2016

Voted against Obama that is more than few tea partiers.

You don't really understand the American electorate. Right now across the country GOP has most state houses, governorships and both houses of congress. This is with relatively popular dem president.

No matter how much Obama campaigns for Hillary, he is not going to get people to vote for Hillary that didn't vote for him. His value to Hillary is with his biggest supporters (young voters and AA). Obama couldn't convince 3M to vote for him second time and most likely more of them won't vote for Hillary. His job will be to stop as much of the bleeding as possible so it's not 5M less voters.

 

Politicalboi

(15,189 posts)
38. He's way too good for her
Sun Mar 20, 2016, 02:36 AM
Mar 2016

She would commit more crimes and try and push them off on Bernie. She could do it real easy too. She'll have Bubba to help her. Partners in crime for sure.

gwheezie

(3,580 posts)
40. Bernie is too old
Sun Mar 20, 2016, 02:39 AM
Mar 2016

Assuming Hillary wins 2 terms, I think a younger dem who could run in 24 would make more sense.
Dems better get on the ball. One of the many drawbacks of having so many house and state office GOP that frankly the dem party let happen is the up and coming dems are being shut out of down ticket offices. We need a stronger bench.

 

DisgustipatedinCA

(12,530 posts)
50. And I don't recall him laughing in her face at the stupid suggestion.
Sun Mar 20, 2016, 07:03 AM
Mar 2016

So it sounds like this hasn't happened, or we'd both know.

PATRICK

(12,227 posts)
51. I doubt she would pick any running mate
Sun Mar 20, 2016, 07:08 AM
Mar 2016

not acceptable to certain people in the event of her demise. Nor does she have to. Nor does any militant delegate bloc in the current situation have the power to force one- though they should do some fighting with some results for something if there is even a shadow of Convention democracy and reform still in effect. Any talk by anyone about running mates is premature in any case for anyone and only serves as a transparent primary ploy to get the nomination even or especially if it gets beyond the titillating floating rumor stage.

The Veep effect has short stage life and if you have to depend on it I'd say you were in serious trouble already.

 

beachbum bob

(10,437 posts)
56. the most likely candidate will be hispanic...and points to Julian Castro
Sun Mar 20, 2016, 07:46 AM
Mar 2016

the highly successful former mayor of San Antonio and current HUD secretary.....the need of solidifying the latino vote will bring several redstates into "purple" territory for sure

RDANGELO

(3,432 posts)
58. One point.
Sun Mar 20, 2016, 08:35 AM
Mar 2016

The vice president is a constitutional position. The only way he could leave office ,if not by his own resignation, is by impeachment. If he did become VP, theoretically , there would be nothing to stop him from speaking out in issues that he had a disagreement on. I agree that it is unlikely that he will be the running mate, but the best way for Hillary to get the maximum turnout for her side would be to bring in someone from the economic reform wing of the party.

Nonhlanhla

(2,074 posts)
60. No it won't be Bernie
Sun Mar 20, 2016, 09:22 AM
Mar 2016

She needs to pick someone younger, and someone who will bring an important voting block with them. That's why names like Sherrod Brown (Ohio) and younger Latino politicians like Julian Castro or Tom Perez are floated. I have to say, Perez sounds intriguing: Latino, and fluent in Spanish (unlike Castro), fairly progressive.

We'll see. But it won't be Bernie, or Warren.

Tarc

(10,472 posts)
64. "she will have an obligation to choose a running mate from the progressive wing"
Sun Mar 20, 2016, 10:58 AM
Mar 2016

So, the wing that Clinton is winning in spite of, not because of? The wing that is currently savaging her daily over Benghazi, E-mails, "fracking", and on and on?

If I was a Sanders supporter, I'd do my damnest best to squash the silly "Bernie or Bust" people and get them to see the bigger picture. When Clinton is the nominee, she will have to gather as much of a base as she can to take on Trump's ignorant horde, so does she tack left and appeal to you guys, or tack centrist/right and go for the Blue Dog Dems and maybe, gasp, the neocons?

Think of it like the European governments that have to cobble together coalitions of different parties; this is your (progressive/Sanders) time to make the pitch as to why you should be the ones to be included in Camp Hillary. You may have to compromise some of your positions a bit in order to prevent them from going to the other way.

Summation; Hillary can win in the Fall regardless, but what direction that takes is up to you.


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