2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumLatest GE polls (3/19): Clinton beating Trump in NY and PA and tied in AZ.
New York: Trump vs. Clinton Emerson Clinton 55, Trump 36 Clinton +19
Pennsylvania: Trump vs. Clinton Mercyhurst University Clinton 43, Trump 35 Clinton +8
Arizona: Trump vs. Clinton Merrill Poll Clinton 38, Trump 38 Tie
http://www.electionprojection.com/latest-polls/
I think Pennsylvania will be the key state to watch. If we keep PA we win...because that means we probably win all the other industrial rust belt states as well as all the other traditional blue states.
Here's a one win scenario for Hillary even without FL and OH but with PA..
HERVEPA
(6,107 posts)DCBob
(24,689 posts)The point I was trying to make is Pennsylvania will be the best indicator of Trump possibly having a shot at winning.
Jim Lane
(11,175 posts)Either Democrat would be the favorite in Pennsylvania, but not to the point of "Absolutely no way" we could lose.
People think of Pennsylvania as an urban, industrial, northeastern state, but it's not like its northeastern neighbors. Consider Obama's margins over Romney:
New York, 28%
New Jersey, 18%
Delaware, 19%
Maryland, 26%
Pennsylvania, 5%
Both Romney and Trump are rich, but Trump is much better positioned to appeal to the white working-class voters who feel (with considerable justice) that the system is rigged against them. Trump, despite his personal wealth, is connecting with that bloc the way the patrician Romney never could. He doesn't need to flip many votes to take Pennsylvania.
Of course, what counts is the net change from 2012. Trump could get 4% of the electorate to switch from Obama to him, yet still lose the state because of women and mainstream Republicans who switch from Romney to this year's Democratic nominee. Then there are the turnout issues. Still, it's too early to consider Pennsylvania to be locked up. I expect that either Clinton or Sanders will devote at least some resources to that state.
HERVEPA
(6,107 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(99,708 posts)But to make Herr Trump spend time and resources in states that would be safely GOP because that means less resources and time he can spend elsewhere.
"Politics is like war by other means."
DCBob
(24,689 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(99,708 posts)"I'm hearing that applications for citizen is up 14% in the last few months, and it's Latinos applying specifically to vote against Trump. "
DCBob
(24,689 posts)Hillary is going to win this thing with Latinos and African Americans leading the way!
AgadorSparticus
(7,963 posts)Them fast enough. I don't think Trump has a chance in AZ. Plus, the Indian population is not going to vote for him.
DCBob
(24,689 posts)Love your avatar... I have used that one a few times on some posts in the past.
AgadorSparticus
(7,963 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(99,708 posts)Do you think McCain might refuse to endorse Trump?
Can he hold his Senate seat?
AgadorSparticus
(7,963 posts)Like the left, the right is really feed up with establishment too. They just want someone different. And trump doesn't offer the evangelical bullshit that so many of them get turned off by with Cruz.
I doubt mccain will endorse trump---unless the GOP gets behind trump which I don't see happening. As for his seat, I have heard that it is in play.
Edit: here is a link showing that McCain has some dismal numbers for an incumbent. This is from 2015, though. What I saw was pretty recent showing favorability numbers of mccain v kirkpatrick which was even worse for McCain. I have to see if I can find it again.
http://m.dailykos.com/story/2015/05/05/1382640/-A-new-poll-finds-John-McCain-in-real-trouble?detail=hide
thucythucy
(8,039 posts)DCBob
(24,689 posts)I was just showing how we can win even without FL and OH.
AgadorSparticus
(7,963 posts)I think they are also wrong about the southern belt. I think the AA vote will carry Hillary.
DCBob
(24,689 posts)This election could be awesome!
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,708 posts)Not enough to elect him but they are out there...Dangerous to discount em...
AgadorSparticus
(7,963 posts)The Latinos, Asians, and AA are fired up to go vote AGAINST him. Especially the Latinos. But I think all minorities are paying closer attention this year. Asians remember the Japanese internment camps and when Trump came out and said "round up....mexicans" I guarantee you they heard "round up.....asians". It has not been forgotten.
I think the media spends far too much time showing trump and his ilk because it is a ratings bonanza. But the reality is that there is a large, silent movement that is building steadfastly against him too. For examine, (& this is just 1 community) the vietnamese community has often in the past gone conservative in their vote. But in the last decade, it is trending more left. This election year, it is an all out lashing of trump. They don't talk about it, but they really hate him. His vulgarity and racism is a beacon to arms or in this case, vote. But you don't hear about this kind of stuff.
And we haven't touched on muslims. I am sure the south asian community and middle eastern communities will be getting out the vote in full force. I have heard some of that talk too.
I think 538 is right. Voter turnout for the GE is a different ballgame.
Dynamite Dave
(26 posts)If you want to post crap like this and continue to insult Bernie supporters who have NOT voted yet, you're certainly on your way to losing the election.
Bernie can surprise everyone, and win all 27 states. He certainly can score more than enough delegates to secure the nomination without the need for superdelegates.
DCBob
(24,689 posts)Welcome to DU!
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,708 posts)JackRiddler
(24,979 posts)I don't doubt it. It's horrific enough. Look at that, 275 - fucking scary. Insanity.
DCBob
(24,689 posts)She blows Trump away in the state polls so far.
Logical
(22,457 posts)DCBob
(24,689 posts)Thanks.
Logical
(22,457 posts)onenote
(42,610 posts)1. Who gets the nomination.
2. And what do the Trump supporters do -- happily join those that took the nomination away from the guy who got the greatest level of support during the primaries?
How do either of those scenarios play out well for the repubs?
Logical
(22,457 posts)DCBob
(24,689 posts)Just wondering what the theory was. You may very well be right... for sure the GOP are going to do everything they can to get rid of him. It just looks like they are running out of options.
Logical
(22,457 posts)RandySF
(58,534 posts)still_one
(92,062 posts)nominee