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DCBob

(24,689 posts)
Sun Mar 20, 2016, 10:47 AM Mar 2016

Latest GE polls (3/19): Clinton beating Trump in NY and PA and tied in AZ.

New York: Trump vs. Clinton Emerson Clinton 55, Trump 36 Clinton +19
Pennsylvania: Trump vs. Clinton Mercyhurst University Clinton 43, Trump 35 Clinton +8
Arizona: Trump vs. Clinton Merrill Poll Clinton 38, Trump 38 Tie

http://www.electionprojection.com/latest-polls/

I think Pennsylvania will be the key state to watch. If we keep PA we win...because that means we probably win all the other industrial rust belt states as well as all the other traditional blue states.

Here's a one win scenario for Hillary even without FL and OH but with PA..

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Latest GE polls (3/19): Clinton beating Trump in NY and PA and tied in AZ. (Original Post) DCBob Mar 2016 OP
Absolutely no way PA would go for Trump. None. Against Bernie or Hillary. HERVEPA Mar 2016 #1
Yeah, you are probably right. DCBob Mar 2016 #3
I'm not that confident. Jim Lane Mar 2016 #32
Lived here my whole life and I know the voting patterns of this state. No way. HERVEPA Mar 2016 #33
The goal isn't necessarily to win states like say GA and AZ DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2016 #2
Exactly.. if AZ is in play Trump is toast. DCBob Mar 2016 #4
I received this e-mail from a friend DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2016 #5
Lovely! DCBob Mar 2016 #6
Exactly. I heard they had to limit the # of applicants per day because they couldn't process AgadorSparticus Mar 2016 #7
That is very good news indeed!! DCBob Mar 2016 #12
Thanks! AgadorSparticus Mar 2016 #14
Who is more popular in AZ- McCain or Trump? DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2016 #13
Between the 2, I have seen more support for trump than mccain. AgadorSparticus Mar 2016 #17
I doubt Florida will go for Trump. NT thucythucy Mar 2016 #8
Yeah, I seriously doubt that too given how Latinos view Trump. DCBob Mar 2016 #20
I think they are wrong about az, tx, and utah. The latino and Mormons will not vote for trump. AgadorSparticus Mar 2016 #9
That would be amazing if have a chance to take AZ, UT or TX. DCBob Mar 2016 #15
I share your enthusiasm but there are a lot of white folk who like Herr Trump DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2016 #16
Absolutely. Every vote counts, for sure. But just as the republicans are fired up to go vote for tr AgadorSparticus Mar 2016 #19
This is the primaries, not the GE. Dynamite Dave Mar 2016 #10
LOL.. this is relevant since Bernie claims he is only one who can beat Trump. DCBob Mar 2016 #11
" LOL.. this is relevant since Bernie claims he is only one who can beat Trump." DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2016 #18
Okay, wait, now these kinds of polls count after all? JackRiddler Mar 2016 #21
The 275 is not from polls.. that just my scenario showing how we can win without FL or OH. DCBob Mar 2016 #22
Once again, slowly, TRUMP....WILL....NOT....BE....THE...NOMINEE! Waste of a post. nt Logical Mar 2016 #23
So please point me to the detailed explanation of how they will stop him. DCBob Mar 2016 #24
Either Cruz starts winning ot Brokered Convention. Bookmark it. And call me out. nt Logical Mar 2016 #25
And after a brokered convention takes the nomination from Trump onenote Mar 2016 #27
No, I agree, the GOP is a mess. Nt Logical Mar 2016 #30
I wouldn't call you out regardless. DCBob Mar 2016 #28
You are also correct, this is all good news for us! Nt Logical Mar 2016 #31
Hillary leads in Utah against Trump. RandySF Mar 2016 #26
Utah has already said they will go for whoever the Democratic nominee is if Trump is the republican still_one Mar 2016 #29

DCBob

(24,689 posts)
3. Yeah, you are probably right.
Sun Mar 20, 2016, 10:53 AM
Mar 2016

The point I was trying to make is Pennsylvania will be the best indicator of Trump possibly having a shot at winning.

 

Jim Lane

(11,175 posts)
32. I'm not that confident.
Sun Mar 20, 2016, 11:31 PM
Mar 2016

Either Democrat would be the favorite in Pennsylvania, but not to the point of "Absolutely no way" we could lose.

People think of Pennsylvania as an urban, industrial, northeastern state, but it's not like its northeastern neighbors. Consider Obama's margins over Romney:
New York, 28%
New Jersey, 18%
Delaware, 19%
Maryland, 26%
Pennsylvania, 5%

Both Romney and Trump are rich, but Trump is much better positioned to appeal to the white working-class voters who feel (with considerable justice) that the system is rigged against them. Trump, despite his personal wealth, is connecting with that bloc the way the patrician Romney never could. He doesn't need to flip many votes to take Pennsylvania.

Of course, what counts is the net change from 2012. Trump could get 4% of the electorate to switch from Obama to him, yet still lose the state because of women and mainstream Republicans who switch from Romney to this year's Democratic nominee. Then there are the turnout issues. Still, it's too early to consider Pennsylvania to be locked up. I expect that either Clinton or Sanders will devote at least some resources to that state.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,708 posts)
2. The goal isn't necessarily to win states like say GA and AZ
Sun Mar 20, 2016, 10:53 AM
Mar 2016

But to make Herr Trump spend time and resources in states that would be safely GOP because that means less resources and time he can spend elsewhere.

"Politics is like war by other means."

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,708 posts)
5. I received this e-mail from a friend
Sun Mar 20, 2016, 10:57 AM
Mar 2016

"I'm hearing that applications for citizen is up 14% in the last few months, and it's Latinos applying specifically to vote against Trump. "

AgadorSparticus

(7,963 posts)
7. Exactly. I heard they had to limit the # of applicants per day because they couldn't process
Sun Mar 20, 2016, 11:02 AM
Mar 2016

Them fast enough. I don't think Trump has a chance in AZ. Plus, the Indian population is not going to vote for him.

DCBob

(24,689 posts)
12. That is very good news indeed!!
Sun Mar 20, 2016, 11:19 AM
Mar 2016

Love your avatar... I have used that one a few times on some posts in the past.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,708 posts)
13. Who is more popular in AZ- McCain or Trump?
Sun Mar 20, 2016, 11:22 AM
Mar 2016

Do you think McCain might refuse to endorse Trump?

Can he hold his Senate seat?

AgadorSparticus

(7,963 posts)
17. Between the 2, I have seen more support for trump than mccain.
Sun Mar 20, 2016, 11:29 AM
Mar 2016

Like the left, the right is really feed up with establishment too. They just want someone different. And trump doesn't offer the evangelical bullshit that so many of them get turned off by with Cruz.

I doubt mccain will endorse trump---unless the GOP gets behind trump which I don't see happening. As for his seat, I have heard that it is in play.

Edit: here is a link showing that McCain has some dismal numbers for an incumbent. This is from 2015, though. What I saw was pretty recent showing favorability numbers of mccain v kirkpatrick which was even worse for McCain. I have to see if I can find it again.

http://m.dailykos.com/story/2015/05/05/1382640/-A-new-poll-finds-John-McCain-in-real-trouble?detail=hide

DCBob

(24,689 posts)
20. Yeah, I seriously doubt that too given how Latinos view Trump.
Sun Mar 20, 2016, 06:17 PM
Mar 2016

I was just showing how we can win even without FL and OH.

AgadorSparticus

(7,963 posts)
9. I think they are wrong about az, tx, and utah. The latino and Mormons will not vote for trump.
Sun Mar 20, 2016, 11:04 AM
Mar 2016

I think they are also wrong about the southern belt. I think the AA vote will carry Hillary.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,708 posts)
16. I share your enthusiasm but there are a lot of white folk who like Herr Trump
Sun Mar 20, 2016, 11:26 AM
Mar 2016

Not enough to elect him but they are out there...Dangerous to discount em...

AgadorSparticus

(7,963 posts)
19. Absolutely. Every vote counts, for sure. But just as the republicans are fired up to go vote for tr
Sun Mar 20, 2016, 12:06 PM
Mar 2016

The Latinos, Asians, and AA are fired up to go vote AGAINST him. Especially the Latinos. But I think all minorities are paying closer attention this year. Asians remember the Japanese internment camps and when Trump came out and said "round up....mexicans" I guarantee you they heard "round up.....asians". It has not been forgotten.

I think the media spends far too much time showing trump and his ilk because it is a ratings bonanza. But the reality is that there is a large, silent movement that is building steadfastly against him too. For examine, (& this is just 1 community) the vietnamese community has often in the past gone conservative in their vote. But in the last decade, it is trending more left. This election year, it is an all out lashing of trump. They don't talk about it, but they really hate him. His vulgarity and racism is a beacon to arms or in this case, vote. But you don't hear about this kind of stuff.

And we haven't touched on muslims. I am sure the south asian community and middle eastern communities will be getting out the vote in full force. I have heard some of that talk too.

I think 538 is right. Voter turnout for the GE is a different ballgame.

 

Dynamite Dave

(26 posts)
10. This is the primaries, not the GE.
Sun Mar 20, 2016, 11:08 AM
Mar 2016

If you want to post crap like this and continue to insult Bernie supporters who have NOT voted yet, you're certainly on your way to losing the election.

Bernie can surprise everyone, and win all 27 states. He certainly can score more than enough delegates to secure the nomination without the need for superdelegates.

 

JackRiddler

(24,979 posts)
21. Okay, wait, now these kinds of polls count after all?
Sun Mar 20, 2016, 06:19 PM
Mar 2016

I don't doubt it. It's horrific enough. Look at that, 275 - fucking scary. Insanity.

DCBob

(24,689 posts)
22. The 275 is not from polls.. that just my scenario showing how we can win without FL or OH.
Sun Mar 20, 2016, 06:21 PM
Mar 2016

She blows Trump away in the state polls so far.

onenote

(42,610 posts)
27. And after a brokered convention takes the nomination from Trump
Sun Mar 20, 2016, 09:15 PM
Mar 2016

1. Who gets the nomination.
2. And what do the Trump supporters do -- happily join those that took the nomination away from the guy who got the greatest level of support during the primaries?

How do either of those scenarios play out well for the repubs?

DCBob

(24,689 posts)
28. I wouldn't call you out regardless.
Sun Mar 20, 2016, 09:15 PM
Mar 2016

Just wondering what the theory was. You may very well be right... for sure the GOP are going to do everything they can to get rid of him. It just looks like they are running out of options.

still_one

(92,062 posts)
29. Utah has already said they will go for whoever the Democratic nominee is if Trump is the republican
Sun Mar 20, 2016, 09:15 PM
Mar 2016

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