This is not new. These guys are here celebrating "only" 13.7%. Al Gore lost about 12% of democrats in Florida and it cost us the election.

It is almost funny, Bernie Sanders himself will be outraged if he sees such fucking stupidity.

Sounds like people are coming to their senses.

The ones without any sense are the ones making all the racket.

who never lost their senses. They're Democrats whose priority is putting the best candidate we have on the ticket and then into the Oval Office.

No sane person wants to see the country fall to Trump, who clearly sees himself as a dictator answerable to no one.

Shifting the goalposts. Whatever doesn't burst the bubble.

were won by more than 6.85%?

Just curious.

Only diehards vote in the primaries. As you know ~50% of the general population does not vote. Only 1/3 vote in primaries. So if this poll is to be believed Hillary will start with (keeping everything else constant) 2M less voters than Obama in 2012.

Now there is case to made maybe some of these 13% are people who don't usually vote or vote for Democratic candidate. No one knows that. But given Clinton unfavorablity this will be very low turnout election. I doubt people who usually don't vote will come out to vote for Hillary and what she represents. So losing people who vote in primaries is a huge lose.

Bernie can turn out a lot of independents in the GE.

I think it's simple. He makes a lot of us want to be a better person and we've been waiting for someone to ask that of us. Being appealed to with FUD is wearing thin...

I will gladly support the Dem nominee in November but many around here would rather throw their votes away on another candidate instead of the Dem nominee.

Many of those here on DU who make that claim are NOT going to voter for a Democrat anyway. They are here to make trouble, spew right wing talking points, encourage as many here as possible to NOT vote if Bernie doesn't win, and to just plain stir shit as much as they can to divide the board.

I think there may be some Democrats that bought into the right wing BS who might not vote for Hillary, but I think it's a lot less than than 13%. Anyone in their right mind would know that not getting out and voting in November helps only the republican nominee, most likely Trump, and no sane person would ever want to see that jerk in the WH.

....or they really believe Sanders is the last hope to salvage our political system, and see Hillary as a bad choice that only perpetuates the corporate takeover of our country.

They are just as likely to be telling the truth as to have the nefarious intent you want to ascribe

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And most of that 13.7% wouldn't normally vote for a Democrat anyway.

That's 13.7% of all democratic voters. Both voters for Clinton and Sanders. Gore lost Florida because about 12% of democrats didn't vote for him.

IMO it may be higher, since a large number of Indy voters for Sanders simply will not vote for Clinton. Regardless, since RW Dems are still blaming the 1% Dems who voted for Nader 16 years ago for costing Gore the election, 13.7% or more is a number to be very concerned about. It's the difference between Obama numbers and Kerry numbers.

13.7% of the democratic party not voting for Hillary is HUGE!

It ain't gonna work. You can come up with all this bullshit, but we have principles. I won't vote for those who cheat against us. We'd be fools.

It's not going to happen. We already have our backup candidate, and it ain't the Wall street coddling, child rapist defending, fracking pushing, GMO loving warmongering tool of the Establishment.

CONSEQUENCES of her actions and decisions... dare I mention (judgements) throughout her tenure in public life.

Independent (and more trustworthy) sources say the number is at about 37 percent.

I believe that.

this why everyday I lose more and more trust...........

as many as 3 or 4 SCOTUS justices over the next 4-8 years and run screaming from what they see there.

or Republicans. Very few true democrats will not vote for the nominee. The alternative is ridiculous.

Here's some real people, interviewed today, that say they will not be voting for her. Start at the 5:22 mark.

supporters will Back Sanders. This is far from over, as much as the HRC supporters would like to convince us otherwise. Heck, even if she gets the nomination I won't stop fighting. The Democratic party has lost its soul to corporate America and Wall Street. Time to reclaim it.

Although it seems that a portion of the 13.7% who won't vote for Hillary frequent DU.

FOR HRC for MANY reasons including...

the TOTAL SHAFTING of Bernie by the DNC and the Corporatist MSM! Again as othrs here have stated... THIS ain't over yet and likely as not the progressive WEST will come out in force to SLAP the perpetrators of this ESTABLISHMENT CONTROLLED Democratic Party and its apparatchiks and apparatus. Lil Debbie deserves a good comeuppance as well. In the end Hillary voters may have to support Bernie. When EVERYONE has had the opportunity to cast their vote and have THEIR voices heard... then and ONLY then will the primary conclude.

35% of Sanders' supporters will not sit out an election that could make Trump president.

You can rail at the DNC and Wasserman all you like, but the fact remains that more people are voting for Hillary than Sanders.

BTW, I expect Sanders to stay until the last state has voted. It still won't make much of a difference in the final result.

Clinton has no path to victory.

You must be joking.



BTW, I used the word "scream" because that poster wrote part of his message in caps.

Hillary Clinton will not win the general election.

She has no viable path.

They will write in his name, vote for Jill, and, at least the independent anti-establishment types might go to Trump, but they will NOT be sitting this election out.

And, with that, she will never be president.

Sanders is losing the nomination fair and square, but you would rather see Trump as president than vote for the Democratic nominee if it's not Sanders????

That makes me sick!!!

A small percentage of people speaking for a group that is really embarrassed by them in general. You don't speak for Sanders supporters as you think you do. You are an outlier, not a part of the group. Knowing that is a part of the anger.

I will be holding my nose while doing so.

I support Bernie, and I think he has a chance. But there is no question I will vote for Hillary if she is the nomine. I may hold my nose when I do it, but I will vote for the Democrat. Here's a question, though. What about all the Hillary supporters? Will they commit to voting for Bernie if he is the nominee?

... various DU polls asking similar questions.

Which I wouldn't have asked if I knew the answer. Your post still leaves me without this information.

if he won the nomination. It's a group of spiteful Sanders' supporters who keep saying that they refuse to vote for Hillary if she's the nominee. People like that make me sick, not because of Hillary, but because they are so selfish that they will rather see Trump as president than vote for Hillary. In all my years, I have yet to see someone who is more unqualified than Trump to govern. He would be a veritable disaster for the nation. I would vote for anyone with a "D" after their name to prevent a Trump presidency.

The small minority of those who say they won't vote for Hillary are nothing more than Bernie's Babies.

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----hmmmmmmmmm

Most will, some won't.

They can take their ball, go home, and start their shitty threats again in eight years.

Putting in the volunteers hours for GOTV for a subpar candidate is something else. I didn't think getting their votes was going to be the issue, rather their enthusiasm in helping to get out other people's votes.