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On foreign policy, Bernie is a one-trick pony (Original Post) RandySF Mar 2016 OP
I like that. dogman Mar 2016 #1
His vision involves a much lower body count. GreenPartyVoter Mar 2016 #2
Thread WINNER. Jefferson23 Mar 2016 #7
Thank you. I'll be here all election season. GreenPartyVoter Mar 2016 #12
Great. Jefferson23 Mar 2016 #17
It would be so refreshing to have a President who wasnt so narcissistic and grandiose. Baobab Mar 2016 #25
+1! NWCorona Mar 2016 #15
I doubt that he will get many attaboys from war roguevalley Mar 2016 #181
zzz i p. misterhighwasted Mar 2016 #11
No indictments, either. pacalo Mar 2016 #31
Nor has Hillary any indictments if that's your point. misterhighwasted Mar 2016 #33
Be patient. TheCowsCameHome Mar 2016 #38
I'll patiently wait for bernie to actually answer questions on misterhighwasted Mar 2016 #49
The FBI is still investigating. My bad. pacalo Mar 2016 #41
Right. They're still questioning her IT guy, the one they granted full immunity to. CoffeeCat Mar 2016 #50
That's exactly the argument Hillary Clinton attacked Barack Obama with in 2008. CoffeeCat Mar 2016 #47
Enough experience to vote no on the IWR. dchill Mar 2016 #52
Did Hillary's experience help her make the right decision on the Iraq war? Perogie Mar 2016 #172
And that's why I love him! pacalo Mar 2016 #29
Yep +1 840high Mar 2016 #60
She wants to invade Iran. Major Hogwash Mar 2016 #170
What is Hillary position? kcjohn1 Mar 2016 #3
bernie has no fp. z i p. misterhighwasted Mar 2016 #6
Psst: experience isn't a resume plus when you were shitty at your job. Lizzie Poppet Mar 2016 #51
Oh ya, tell me about it! Shitty at your job is blaming others for misterhighwasted Mar 2016 #57
Bye to you, too, Sparky. Lizzie Poppet Mar 2016 #58
Neither did Obama. 840high Mar 2016 #61
So if you say that Sanders has no experience than that automatically makes the person Seeinghope Mar 2016 #192
List of US foreign internentions from the book "Killing Hope" Baobab Mar 2016 #36
Wow, thanks. You know Bernie voted for some of this don't you? misterhighwasted Mar 2016 #40
Sadly incomplete! AgerolanAmerican Mar 2016 #63
That's all I got out of it too. misterhighwasted Mar 2016 #4
The warmongers won't like that. TheCowsCameHome Mar 2016 #5
Not enough war for you in his foreign policy? Not enough dead bodies? Broward Mar 2016 #8
Sanders outlines Middle East policy... Luminous Animal Mar 2016 #9
He likes the Sandinistas and Castros. Thinkingabout Mar 2016 #10
Oh ya, Fidel & Putin misterhighwasted Mar 2016 #14
Care to back that up or just posting the 1st thing to cross your mind? think Mar 2016 #21
It was all over the news when he was campaigning in FL. misterhighwasted Mar 2016 #37
I don't think Bernie bothered to comradebillyboy Mar 2016 #46
The OP said Bernie sounds like Castro and the Sandinistas. You are confusing his discussion of think Mar 2016 #48
Did you read the OP? Maybe you are reading another post or OP. Thinkingabout Mar 2016 #69
It's about judgment. Bernie has good judgment. Clinton has a neocon brain. CoffeeCat Mar 2016 #13
And Kissinger is a confidante. Broward Mar 2016 #18
Don't forget Sydney Blumenthal CoffeeCat Mar 2016 #24
Yep, just about everyone on DU got the call on the Iraq War right. Broward Mar 2016 #30
ha.. bernie has no judgement. misterhighwasted Mar 2016 #22
You really should enlight yourself and read the neocon blueprint. CoffeeCat Mar 2016 #34
You laid it out very well. boobooday Mar 2016 #184
Great post, CoffeeCat. nt. polly7 Mar 2016 #190
Hillary's will be on the docket soon. TheCowsCameHome Mar 2016 #35
Libya...Syria....Honduras...Iraq... Docreed2003 Mar 2016 #122
One Trick Pony noretreatnosurrender Mar 2016 #16
He actually has some pretty interesting logical things to say about foreign policy. Seeinghope Mar 2016 #111
When was the last time you saw a candidate speak the truth about Saudi Arabia like Bernie did? Kip Humphrey Mar 2016 #161
Exactly!!!! He laid it out for all to see if they want to look Seeinghope Mar 2016 #189
Meanwhile Hillary can't really run on her foreign policy experience NWCorona Mar 2016 #19
More likely she's running from it. TheCowsCameHome Mar 2016 #20
Truth! NWCorona Mar 2016 #26
check out America sometime reddread Mar 2016 #23
Avoiding war is a pretty good trick hellofromreddit Mar 2016 #27
Like bombing Kosovo and military action in Afghanistan? Thinkingabout Mar 2016 #70
Do you wish to discuss it? hellofromreddit Mar 2016 #71
However, Hillary is a many trick pony. See Iraq, Libya, Afghanistan, Honduras for examples. Tierra_y_Libertad Mar 2016 #28
Eh, he seems easily the most similar to Obama geek tragedy Mar 2016 #32
Bernie Sanders' foreign policy speech in Salt Lake City, Utah (3-21-16) DianaForRussFeingold Mar 2016 #39
I've sent money to Russ - I might change my moniker - MaryForRussFeingold snowy owl Mar 2016 #53
Whereas Hillary has a broad range of failure. Lizzie Poppet Mar 2016 #42
My response is that this doesn't deserve a response. Total ignorance. snowy owl Mar 2016 #43
Diplomacy Bjornsdotter Mar 2016 #44
You need more trick ponies to violate the FOIA to promote a belligerent hawkish policy Attorney in Texas Mar 2016 #45
One-trick pony... Single issue candidate... OZi Mar 2016 #54
Wow. A 3-sentence OP about a mythical pony. dchill Mar 2016 #55
Speaking of one-trick ponies, Randy, .... HERVEPA Mar 2016 #56
Lol EdwardBernays Mar 2016 #59
A Hillary supporter attacking Bernie Sanders on foreign policy??? AgerolanAmerican Mar 2016 #62
The Iraq response is basically Sanders attempting to make the Obama lighting strike twice. NuclearDem Mar 2016 #64
Better than Hillary's which is simply bomb them. nt revbones Mar 2016 #65
Ah, a Soviet mention. Trying to edge back up to that whole 'Jewish question' so soon in Camp Bluenorthwest Mar 2016 #66
What does that have to do with religion? RandySF Mar 2016 #67
I'd kind of like to know, myself. NuclearDem Mar 2016 #80
Red baiting often has antisemitic underpinnings. There is no longer a Soviet Union to find on our Bluenorthwest Mar 2016 #186
Then just come out and call me an anti-Semite RandySF Mar 2016 #187
Would I be correct in saying that your post infers that you are more ladjf Mar 2016 #68
Post removed Post removed Mar 2016 #72
Warmongers gonna hate. nt. polly7 Mar 2016 #77
Pot, kettle. NuclearDem Mar 2016 #81
I'm for war?? polly7 Mar 2016 #82
You've never seen an authoritarian anti-Western strongman you didn't like. NuclearDem Mar 2016 #84
Wtf are you blabbering about??? polly7 Mar 2016 #85
Polly, if you think people are going to believe you don't have this kind of history, NuclearDem Mar 2016 #86
I've never apologized for Assad, Putin or anyone else, so don't lie. polly7 Mar 2016 #87
Yes, you have. You're fooling nobody. NuclearDem Mar 2016 #88
No, I haven't. Wow, you are so desperate. polly7 Mar 2016 #89
You know what, I started looking. NuclearDem Mar 2016 #92
Post it!!! polly7 Mar 2016 #93
Yes, you have. NuclearDem Mar 2016 #98
You're sick. polly7 Mar 2016 #100
Molotov-Ribbentrop apologia is sick. NuclearDem Mar 2016 #101
I skimmed it. polly7 Mar 2016 #105
Molotov-Ribbentrop apologia is sick, Polly. NuclearDem Mar 2016 #108
Your accusations against me and your war apologia are sick. I'll leave it at that. nt. polly7 Mar 2016 #110
What war apologia would that be, Polly? NuclearDem Mar 2016 #123
It's plain to see. polly7 Mar 2016 #125
Ukraine wasn't a coup. NuclearDem Mar 2016 #136
Sure it was. polly7 Mar 2016 #138
"Maybe you need to talk about it with someone easily fooled." NuclearDem Mar 2016 #143
No, you're in no way interesting. That is the last thing I'd call you. But try with someone polly7 Mar 2016 #144
Despite how I may appear right now, NuclearDem Mar 2016 #150
I believe you certainly do. You're insulting, lying and being completely disgusting polly7 Mar 2016 #152
Wow, you totally nailed it. R B Garr Mar 2016 #115
Wow, he/she lied. And here you are, yet again rushing in with your one-line yammering. polly7 Mar 2016 #117
Totally nailed it. Sorry. I've even see you lamenting R B Garr Mar 2016 #120
I wouldn't stand by and let a dog be sodomized with a bayonet and tortured in the polly7 Mar 2016 #121
Then you admit that NuclearDem's post was accurate. R B Garr Mar 2016 #126
I admit that you're just another lying warmonger. That's accurate. nt. polly7 Mar 2016 #127
It starts at post 86. You should read it again. R B Garr Mar 2016 #130
I did totally nail it. polly7 Mar 2016 #131
NuclearDem totally nailed it. Right here. Starting at post 86. R B Garr Mar 2016 #132
I don't read bullshit twice. The smell is bad enough the first time. nt. polly7 Mar 2016 #133
That's why I posted to NuclearDem that they totally nailed you. R B Garr Mar 2016 #145
Your jibberish doesn't make much sense. You keep talking about nails. ??? polly7 Mar 2016 #147
Figures of speech are not for everyone. That's why I posted to NuclearDem and R B Garr Mar 2016 #149
Certainly not for you. I accept your admission. polly7 Mar 2016 #151
And thank you for acknowledging that you had nothing to say to me, R B Garr Mar 2016 #153
I actually never have anything to say to you when you swoop in with your nothings polly7 Mar 2016 #155
Yes, it's obvious that you have nothing to say, but you post something anyway. R B Garr Mar 2016 #157
Fuck you're boring. nt. polly7 Mar 2016 #159
I remember when The Magistrate totally nailed you, too. R B Garr Mar 2016 #166
What are you yammering about now?? nt. polly7 Mar 2016 #167
That's what I thought when I read your responses to The Magistrate... R B Garr Mar 2016 #171
You are really, really boring and actually quite sad. Bat signal says learn more about polly7 Mar 2016 #173
I've read enough of the responses to see that you are a hypocrite. R B Garr Mar 2016 #175
I've read enough from you to see that you're a liar. Every single time you swoop polly7 Mar 2016 #176
You were insulting to a great poster like The Magistrate, too. R B Garr Mar 2016 #177
He was insulting to me. I respond with how I was addressed. Exactly as in this thread by polly7 Mar 2016 #178
Ah, now we see how this works. You do know exactly what I was talking about, but R B Garr Mar 2016 #179
You don't even make sense with your blabber. polly7 Mar 2016 #180
This is a pattern, though. You obviously know who and what I was talking about, R B Garr Mar 2016 #183
Yeah, he did. His passive aggressive bullshit he thought was so brilliant went on for hours. polly7 Mar 2016 #185
I don't think so, at least not before the Putin signal went out CreekDog Mar 2016 #128
Pootie, Pootie, Pootie!!! polly7 Mar 2016 #129
why do you hate Putin and his actions? CreekDog Mar 2016 #90
Why do you hate the Easter bunny and his eggs? nt. polly7 Mar 2016 #91
why are you such a harsh critic of Putin? CreekDog Mar 2016 #94
I''ve never talked about Putin. polly7 Mar 2016 #95
Yes, you have talked about Putin, here, let me remind you CreekDog Mar 2016 #103
OMG!!! Horrible. polly7 Mar 2016 #104
You just said you never talk about Putin CreekDog Mar 2016 #106
Apparently I never cared that much to talk about him as you had to search polly7 Mar 2016 #107
you post so much about Putin and Russia that it's hard to figure out what to choose from your posts CreekDog Mar 2016 #112
And you lie ...................... a lot!!!! Which makes you a ......... LIAR! nt. polly7 Mar 2016 #113
you can call me whatever you want, but why do you hate Putin so much? CreekDog Mar 2016 #114
I think you might need some help. You're either hallucinating, or just so desperate polly7 Mar 2016 #116
i didn't defend any foreign policy, i tried to figure out why you are so against Putin's CreekDog Mar 2016 #118
I'm against any foreign policy that ruins the lives of millions and kills, mutilates and makes polly7 Mar 2016 #119
No, you're just another run-of-the-mill contrarian strongman UI. NuclearDem Mar 2016 #139
No, I'm just a perfectly normal person who hates lying, needless slaughter of innocents. nt. polly7 Mar 2016 #140
Aleppo and Chechnya were razed to the ground with peace bombs. NuclearDem Mar 2016 #96
Let me ask you a question, what does the Allende coup have to do with Iraq? nadinbrzezinski Mar 2016 #73
This so richly ironic RandySF Mar 2016 #74
They did not chant "English". think Mar 2016 #78
My personal one trick pony says: panader0 Mar 2016 #75
Yeah ......... diplomacy is always better than killing small children. Millions agree with him. nt polly7 Mar 2016 #76
Bernie Foreign Policy is simple Lenonism - John Lennon. Give peace a chance. EndElectoral Mar 2016 #79
I got much more from his interview with CNN than just Iraq. nt Jitter65 Mar 2016 #83
Hmmm - he said a heckuva a lot more than that tonite on CNN. Guess you weren't listening. jillan Mar 2016 #97
Do you really pay attention? snowy owl Mar 2016 #99
It must have been that traumatic experience he had HassleCat Mar 2016 #102
Tulsi Gabbard endorsed him because his Syria policy isn't batshit crazy like Hillary's jfern Mar 2016 #109
Looks like we got ourselves here a one trick poster. Katashi_itto Mar 2016 #124
Yes, while Hillary has Iraq, Honduras, Libya, Syria. .. CentralMass Mar 2016 #134
Why do you love Putin?!?!?!?!? polly7 Mar 2016 #135
Yeah I have no idea what is going on upthread about that. Appears to be some bullying JonLeibowitz Mar 2016 #141
It's just the normal defense of the indefensible using strawmen/boogeymen to do it with. polly7 Mar 2016 #142
Rank hypocrisy tends to flummox me slightly. NuclearDem Mar 2016 #146
Anti-suffering/needless death seems to flummox you greatly. nt. polly7 Mar 2016 #148
Oh, I'm planning on putting an end to some suffering right now. NuclearDem Mar 2016 #154
Good. Maybe you'll wake up with hope for humanity. Bonne nuit! nt. polly7 Mar 2016 #156
polly7 never said what you claimed about Poland. JonLeibowitz Mar 2016 #158
Thank you! I also pointed out that I appreciated the thoughtful replies it got. polly7 Mar 2016 #163
No, because nothing I've read from you here would give me that impression. NuclearDem Mar 2016 #164
With 'her!. With 'you' it's always the same old crap. polly7 Mar 2016 #165
The poster is so dishonest about something so important. DemocracyDirect Mar 2016 #137
Bernie's vision involves a lot less war...how is that a bad thing? Ken Burch Mar 2016 #160
HRC's foreign policy is based on the delusion that war can somehow be feminist and progressive. Ken Burch Mar 2016 #162
His one trick is not to vote for a war that Hillary was completely fooled about. Perogie Mar 2016 #168
Guess you didn't know that it's not the Soviet Union anymore. Perogie Mar 2016 #169
Stumping for an illegal war based on trumped-up intel should Marr Mar 2016 #174
The one trick is called war, and Clinton is the ungulate performing it. eom Betty Karlson Mar 2016 #182
Yes. His trick is DEMOCRACY. Octafish Mar 2016 #188
Bernie's vision for the future does not involve more unending wars, as Hillary's "vision" does. Autumn Mar 2016 #191
It's not a trick. Orsino Mar 2016 #193

Baobab

(4,667 posts)
25. It would be so refreshing to have a President who wasnt so narcissistic and grandiose.
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 09:00 PM
Mar 2016

I am so sick of endless warmongers

roguevalley

(40,656 posts)
181. I doubt that he will get many attaboys from war
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 02:58 AM
Mar 2016

criminals nor vacay with them in winter. Given that HRC never met a war she didn't want all of us to fight, I think you're looking at the wrong pony.

misterhighwasted

(9,148 posts)
49. I'll patiently wait for bernie to actually answer questions on
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 09:17 PM
Mar 2016

Foreign policy rather than end interviews knowing that FP questions are next up.
Why does he avoid answering direct FP questions?
I've caught his sidestepping the issue 3 seperate times.

And today he comes out with a scripted video statement,
Given in total privacy, with no judgement from a live audience & commentary.
What is up with that?

Makes one wonder why he avoids being directly questioned about FP.
But that's my opinion. I'm sure he's got a perfectly good explaination.

CoffeeCat

(24,411 posts)
50. Right. They're still questioning her IT guy, the one they granted full immunity to.
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 09:17 PM
Mar 2016

Nothing to see her folks...

CoffeeCat

(24,411 posts)
47. That's exactly the argument Hillary Clinton attacked Barack Obama with in 2008.
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 09:16 PM
Mar 2016

Remember that 3:00 a.m. phone call?

Oh dear! We were supposed to be terrified that Barack Obama would be answering the phone. Sooooo inexperienced and unready to deal with foreign policy!

Turns out, Obama had the right judgment. Just like Sanders has the right judgment.

Obama isn't a warmonger on steroids like Clinton is.

Clinton wanted to arm the Syrian rebels and create a no-fly zone, which would have created chaos an led America into war. More bloodshed. More treasure wasted. More US soldiers dead. Obama held the line on Syria and prevented war.

Obama also brokered and finessed an incredible deal with Iran that prevented war. The neocons, which Hillary is a part of, want war with Iran so bad they're salivating for it. John Bolton and the rest of the neocons were very upset that Obama thwarted their efforts by using diplomatic skills to avoid war.

Obama also declared that his foreign-policy mantra would be, "Don't do stupid shit." The translation was that he would be measured and careful. Oh boy did that piss off Hillary. She dialed up a reporter from the Atlantic, did an interview so she could specifically criticize Obama and his attitude.

I think we all clearly see the Hillary Clinton lacks judgment. Neocons do not have good judgment when it comes to foreign policy.

They are war-focused and they will consider nothing less. Diplomacy and tacts are the enemies of these people and Hillary is one of them. Two weeks ago, the founder of the neocon movement endorsed Hillary. He picked her over all of the Republicans. Is it because she has such stellar, awesome judgment? NO...because she will further the neocon agenda. Kagan was one of her foreign-policy advisers while she was Secretary of State. They have immense faith in her. As they should.

Major Hogwash

(17,656 posts)
170. She wants to invade Iran.
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 02:03 AM
Mar 2016

Because she thinks she is smart enough to start a war in the Middle East, and win.

kcjohn1

(751 posts)
3. What is Hillary position?
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 08:50 PM
Mar 2016

He laid out his position on Libya, Israel/Palestine, policy towards Saudis, how to solve ISIS problem. His position on latin america and regime change is pretty evident.

Hillary foreign policy is the most dangerous and scary part of her candidacy. I would take a monkey over her because at least the monkey will do nothing.

misterhighwasted

(9,148 posts)
57. Oh ya, tell me about it! Shitty at your job is blaming others for
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 09:21 PM
Mar 2016

..war & bombing of innocents when you approved the war's contunued progression & helped the MIC build the bombers and invited them in your home state.
"Shitty at your job" is also being a hypocrite, rather than accepting your part of the blame.
Bye

 

Seeinghope

(786 posts)
192. So if you say that Sanders has no experience than that automatically makes the person
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 12:24 PM
Mar 2016

Who has a terrible foreign policy record the person to choose?

Not too logical.

Baobab

(4,667 posts)
36. List of US foreign internentions from the book "Killing Hope"
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 09:07 PM
Mar 2016

William Blum
Killing Hope

U.S. Military and CIA Interventions Since World War II
Killing Hope

2004, 471 pages
Published by Common Courage Press
ISBN: 9781567512526

Table of Contents Purchase Other Languages

Is the United States a force for democracy? In this classic and unique volume that answers this question, William Blum serves up a forensic overview of U.S. foreign policy spanning sixty years. For those who want the details on our most famous actions (Chile, Cuba, Vietnam, to name a few), and for those who want to learn about our lesser-known efforts (France, China, Bolivia, Brazil, for example), this book provides a window on what our foreign policy goals really are.

If you flip over the rock of American foreign policy of the past century, this is what crawls out… invasions … bombings … overthrowing governments … occupations … suppressing movements for social change … assassinating political leaders … perverting elections … manipulating labor unions … manufacturing “news” … death squads … torture … biological warfare … depleted uranium … drug trafficking … mercenaries …

It’s not a pretty picture. It’s enough to give imperialism a bad name.

Read the full details in: Killing Hope: US Military and CIA Interventions Since World War II.

“Far and away the best book on the topic.” – Noam Chomsky

“I enjoyed it immensely.” – Gore Vidal

“I bought several more copies to circulate to friends with the hope of shedding new light and understanding on their political outlooks.” – Oliver Stone

“A very valuable book. The research and organization are extremely impressive.” – A. J. Langguth, author, former New York Times Bureau Chief

“A very useful piece of work, daunting in scope, important.” –Thomas Powers, author, Pulitzer Prize-winning journalist

“Each chapter I read made me more and more angry.” – Dr. Helen Caldicott, international leader of the anti-nuclear and environmental movements

See a map based on the interventions chronicled in this book.
Table of Contents

Introduction
Chapter 1: China - 1945 to 1960s: Was Mao Tse-tung just paranoid?
Chapter 2: Italy - 1947-1948: Free elections, Hollywood style
Chapter 3: Greece - 1947 to early 1950s: From cradle of democracy to client state
Chapter 4: The Philippines - 1940s and 1950s: America’s oldest colony
Chapter 5: Korea - 1945-1953: Was it all that it appeared to be?
Chapter 6: Albania - 1949-1953: The proper English spy
Chapter 7: Eastern Europe - 1948-1956: Operation Splinter Factor
Chapter 8: Germany - 1950s: Everything from juvenile delinquency to terrorism
Chapter 9: Iran - 1953: Making it safe for the King of Kings
Chapter 10: Guatemala - 1953-1954: While the world watched
Chapter 11: Costa Rica - Mid-1950s: Trying to topple an ally - Part 1
Chapter 12: Syria - 1956-1957: Purchasing a new government
Chapter 13: Middle East - 1957-1958: The Eisenhower Doctrine claims another backyard for America
Chapter 14: Indonesia - 1957-1958: War and pornography
Chapter 15: Western Europe - 1950s and 1960s: Fronts within fronts within fronts
Chapter 16: British Guiana - 1953-1964: The CIA’s international labor mafia
Chapter 17: Soviet Union - Late 1940s to 1960s: From spy planes to book publishing
Chapter 18: Italy - 1950s to 1970s: Supporting the Cardinal’s orphans and techno-fascism
Chapter 19: Vietnam - 1950-1973: The Hearts and Minds Circus
Chapter 20: Cambodia - 1955-1973: Prince Sihanouk walks the high-wire of neutralism
Chapter 21: Laos - 1957-1973: L’Armée Clandestine
Chapter 22: Haiti - 1959-1963: The Marines land, again
Chapter 23: Guatemala - 1960: One good coup deserves another
Chapter 24: France/Algeria - 1960s: L’état, c’est la CIA
Chapter 25: Ecuador - 1960-1963: A text book of dirty tricks
Chapter 26: The Congo - 1960-1964: The assassination of Patrice Lumumba
Chapter 27: Brazil - 1961-1964: Introducing the marvelous new world of death squads
Chapter 28: Peru - 1960-1965: Fort Bragg moves to the jungle
Chapter 29: Dominican Republic - 1960-1966: Saving democracy from communism by getting rid of democracy
Chapter 30: Cuba - 1959 to 1980s: The unforgivable revolution
Chapter 31: Indonesia - 1965: Liquidating President Sukarno ..: and 500,000 others; East Timor - 1975: And 200,000 more
Chapter 32: Ghana - 1966: Kwame Nkrumah steps out of line
Chapter 33: Uruguay - 1964-1970: Torture—as American as apple pie
Chapter 34: Chile - 1964-1973: A hammer and sickle stamped on your child’s forehead
Chapter 35: Greece - 1964-1974: “Fuck your Parliament and your Constitution,” said the President of the United States
Chapter 36: Bolivia - 1964-1975: Tracking down Che Guevara in the land of coup d’etat
Chapter 37: Guatemala - 1962 to 1980s: A less publicized “final solution”
Chapter 38: Costa Rica - 1970-1971: Trying to topple an ally—Part 2
Chapter 39: Iraq - 1972-1975: Covert action should not be confused with missionary work
Chapter 40: Australia - 1973-1975: Another free election bites the dust
Chapter 41: Angola - 1975 to 1980s: The Great Powers Poker Game
Chapter 42: Zaire - 1975-1978: Mobutu and the CIA, a marriage made in heaven
Chapter 43: Jamaica - 1976-1980: Kissinger’s ultimatum
Chapter 44: Seychelles - 1979-1981: Yet another area of great strategic importance
Chapter 45: Grenada - 1979-1984: Lying—one of the few growth industries in Washington
Chapter 46: Morocco - 1983: A video nasty
Chapter 47: Suriname - 1982-1984: Once again, the Cuban bogeyman
Chapter 48: Libya - 1981-1989: Ronald Reagan meets his match
Chapter 49: Nicaragua - 1981-1990: Destabilization in slow motion
Chapter 50: Panama - 1969-1991: Double-crossing our drug supplier
Chapter 51: Bulgaria 1990/Albania 1991: Teaching communists what democracy is all about
Chapter 52: Iraq - 1990-1991: Desert Holocaust
Chapter 53: Afghanistan - 1979-1992: America’s Jihad
Chapter 54: El Salvador - 1980-1994: Human rights, Washington style
Chapter 55: Haiti - 1986-1994: Who will rid me of this turbulent priest?
Chapter 56: The American Empire - 1992 to present
Notes
Appendix I: This is How the Money Goes Round
Appendix II: Instances of Use of United States Armed Forces Abroad, 1798-1945
Appendix III: U.S. Government Assassination Plots
Index


http://williamblum.org/books/killing-hope/#toc

misterhighwasted

(9,148 posts)
40. Wow, thanks. You know Bernie voted for some of this don't you?
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 09:10 PM
Mar 2016

As well as being in support of MIC & Lockheed.

Google it.

 

AgerolanAmerican

(1,000 posts)
63. Sadly incomplete!
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 09:32 PM
Mar 2016

We could make another such list just off the military adventurism of the post-1992 era. When the Cold War ended, this nonsense went into hyperdrive.

misterhighwasted

(9,148 posts)
4. That's all I got out of it too.
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 08:50 PM
Mar 2016

IRAQ
Economy
Used to be free stuff but I see he's now changed his mind on free college for everyone.

That's about it. Iraq

comradebillyboy

(10,119 posts)
46. I don't think Bernie bothered to
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 09:15 PM
Mar 2016

campaign in Florida. It was part of the Confederacy so its votes don't count.

 

think

(11,641 posts)
48. The OP said Bernie sounds like Castro and the Sandinistas. You are confusing his discussion of
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 09:16 PM
Mar 2016

those groups with what the OP is claiming which is his issues and foreign policy sound like those of Castro and the Sandinistas.

But hey. If you can show me a comparison of Bernie's foriegn policy speech and show me the similarities to Castro's and the Sandinista's I'd appreciate it.

CoffeeCat

(24,411 posts)
13. It's about judgment. Bernie has good judgment. Clinton has a neocon brain.
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 08:54 PM
Mar 2016

I'd feel much safer with someone in the White House who isn't the darling of the sociopathic neocon brigade.

Robert Kagan founded the neocon movement with Bill Kristol. Those two are the braintrusts behind the chaos we now see in the Middle East. They orchestrated the Iraq War to get into the Middle East, so they could plunder Iraq, Syria, Lybia and Iran. That's been their plan since 1996.

Robert Kagan, the Godfather of this putrid, war-for-profit debacle--endorsed Hillary two weeks ago. Any presidential candidate, Democrat or Republican, who has the blessing of Robert Kagan, isn't someone that should be making foreign-policy decisions for me, and with my tax dollars. I'm against the murder of innocent men, women and children for profit.

Hillary also hand picked Kagan to be one of her foreign-policy advisers, while she was Secretary of State. Again, bad judgement.

Frightening that a Democrat would bring this disgusting slop into our party, don't you think?

I know Bernie never would. He has my vote. Clinton will never have it, precisely because of her neocon buddies.

CoffeeCat

(24,411 posts)
24. Don't forget Sydney Blumenthal
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 09:00 PM
Mar 2016

Kissinger, Blumenthal, Kagan.

A plague upon our party. Were in the hell is a giant can of Raid when you need it?

I've been on DU for a long time. During the Iraq War we were united against the neocon bloodshed. We ALL knew it was a lie. Most people knew what PNAC was and what the neocons were.

We all commiserated together that these sick bastards were making such progress on their "neocon agenda."

And now...look at our party.

Hillary Clinton has dragged these rats into our space, inside the Democratic party.

I never changed. I've held onto the same principles. I'm against the neocon plan for war-for-profit that we were ALL against several years ago.

It's just dastardly that this is tolerated in our party. Just revolting.

And to pass this off as "good judgment" is beyond the pale.

Broward

(1,976 posts)
30. Yep, just about everyone on DU got the call on the Iraq War right.
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 09:03 PM
Mar 2016

Yet, Hillary got it wrong. Barring a miracle comeback from Bernie, Hillary will be the only candidate running in the general that voted for the Iraq War. The Dem Party continues to sink to new lows.

misterhighwasted

(9,148 posts)
22. ha.. bernie has no judgement.
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 09:00 PM
Mar 2016

That's his biggest problem. Welk, next to n9t having an iota of fp experience.
He cannot compete with the experience & knowledge of Hillary Clinton. That's why he avoids questions of FP.
Why he sent a video.
Never mind. Bernie sanders is terribly weak on FP & that's not what we need in a President these days.

He's got his oligarchs & Lockheed friends also. If thats what you're insinuating as to Hillary.
Just saying.
Later.

CoffeeCat

(24,411 posts)
34. You really should enlight yourself and read the neocon blueprint.
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 09:06 PM
Mar 2016

Here's a link. It's called, "Rebuilding America's Defenses."

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/pdf/RebuildingAmericasDefenses.pdf

The neocons laid out the countries that they wanted: Iraq, Syria, Libya, Iran.

Hillary handed them Libya on a silver platter. She spearheaded efforts to overthrow Gadaffi, and now Libya is a failed state with 30,000 dead and untold numbers fleeing into Europe. But that's what the neocons wanted. First, they destabilize and create chaos--so they can ultimately plunder and allow their corporate buddies to come in and set up shop. End goal--billions of dollars for very powerful interests. Bloodshed for dollars. Dead kids for dollars. Pain and suffering--all for profits.

There is a reason that Hillary hand-picked Robert Kagan to be one of her foreign-policy advisers while she was Sec of State. She subscribes to the neocon agenda, obviously. That is clear with her actions on Libya.

Kagan started the neocon movement. He hatched the entire plan, way back in the mid 1990's. He was one of the PNAC signatories who penned a letter to then-President Bill Clinton and begged him for a war in Iraq.

It's really a disgraceful stain on our nation's history.

Docreed2003

(16,817 posts)
122. Libya...Syria....Honduras...Iraq...
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 01:02 AM
Mar 2016

Yeah....some foreign policy experience Sec Clinton has...as a combat vet, I think I'll side with the candidate with better judgement.

noretreatnosurrender

(1,890 posts)
16. One Trick Pony
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 08:55 PM
Mar 2016

Now where have I heard that before? Oh yeah, it was that his entire campaign was a one trick pony. Now it's his foreign policy? Isn't that part of the campaign?

 

Seeinghope

(786 posts)
111. He actually has some pretty interesting logical things to say about foreign policy.
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 12:43 AM
Mar 2016

Israel, Hama, Saudi Arabia, Iran, Libya.........deposing governments. Different forms of Government Authoritarian as is Cuba and how you can recognize the good and bad in countries. How the U.S. Has leaders of China and other countries that are authoritarian come visit the WH so why shouldn't Cuba be able to do the same now? That foreign policy doesn't have to be just about wars.

Kip Humphrey

(4,753 posts)
161. When was the last time you saw a candidate speak the truth about Saudi Arabia like Bernie did?
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 01:49 AM
Mar 2016

Never?
or
Not ever?




WIN! Bernie WIN!

 

hellofromreddit

(1,182 posts)
27. Avoiding war is a pretty good trick
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 09:02 PM
Mar 2016
"In my dealings with him, and in analyzing his record in Congress over the past 25 years, I have found that Sanders has taken balanced, realistic positions on many of the most critical foreign policy issues facing the country."

....

I have no doubt that Sanders will be willing to challenge the foreign policy establishment, as Obama did on such issues. Does Sanders have the same amount of foreign policy experience as Hillary Clinton? Obviously not. But Bill Clinton had far less foreign policy experience than George H.W. Bush, and Obama had less than John McCain—and both presidents had effective foreign policies. If he is elected, I believe Sanders will also be able to attract a competent foreign policy cohort, just as Obama did—including many of the current Clinton team. With the right partners in place—and, above all, the right principals and instincts—a President Sanders could be just the foreign policy president we need.

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
70. Like bombing Kosovo and military action in Afghanistan?
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 10:54 PM
Mar 2016

Hey maybe more investment to defense contractors, a few trillion here and a few trillion there.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
32. Eh, he seems easily the most similar to Obama
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 09:05 PM
Mar 2016

if the remaining candidates. But that doesn't excuse him not doing his homework.

snowy owl

(2,145 posts)
53. I've sent money to Russ - I might change my moniker - MaryForRussFeingold
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 09:18 PM
Mar 2016

What a great idea! I want him back in the Senate. Is he for Bernie? What a great moniker you have! I'm a Seattle girl who loves Russ Feingold! He is one of the best!

 

Lizzie Poppet

(10,164 posts)
42. Whereas Hillary has a broad range of failure.
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 09:11 PM
Mar 2016

I'm sure she can find all kinds of countries on the map...and start wars in them.

OZi

(155 posts)
54. One-trick pony... Single issue candidate...
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 09:19 PM
Mar 2016

It's almost like he doesn't pander or evolve enough to make some people happy. It's a shame he doesn't like Henry Kissinger enough to call him up and ask for advice.

EdwardBernays

(3,343 posts)
59. Lol
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 09:23 PM
Mar 2016

The hits keep coming.

The funny thing is that every time a Clinton supporter says such an outrageous lie another Bernie supporter decides he won't vote for her in the GE if she gets the nomination.

 

AgerolanAmerican

(1,000 posts)
62. A Hillary supporter attacking Bernie Sanders on foreign policy???
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 09:31 PM
Mar 2016

You're kidding, right? You going to face up to the disasters she caused in Libya, Syria, Honduras and Ukraine, or are we pretending those didn't happen and/or aren't all-out catastrophic situations caused primarily by HRC?

I'd take a totally blank slate over that.

I'd roll the dice for any outcome over that.

Her bloodthirsty foreign policy makes Dick Cheney look like a pacifist.

Bernie doesn't need to say ANYTHING AT ALL in order to be leagues above her on foreign policy.

Of course Bernie keeps mentioning Iraq, because he knows HRC will get us into another one as soon as she possibly can, and she'll do it with glee.

How much glee, you ask? This much:



 

NuclearDem

(16,184 posts)
64. The Iraq response is basically Sanders attempting to make the Obama lighting strike twice.
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 09:33 PM
Mar 2016

What he seems to forget is that Obama also had foreign policy experience not related to Iraq, most notably, nuclear arms control.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
66. Ah, a Soviet mention. Trying to edge back up to that whole 'Jewish question' so soon in Camp
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 10:20 PM
Mar 2016

Clinton? Talk about one trick ponies....

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
186. Red baiting often has antisemitic underpinnings. There is no longer a Soviet Union to find on our
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 10:55 AM
Mar 2016

maps, for a quarter of a century that geographical location is called Russia. But you reach back in time to speak of 'the Soviet Union' as the only country Bernie can find on a map. A nonexistent country that is not on maps. That rhetorical choice comes from somewhere. It's not reality based, it's based on your need to say 'commie' about the candidate whose differences very clearly motivate some of his constant bashers, particularly those who deal in such oddities as speaking of the Soviet Union as a current nation.

Why would you call Russia 'The Soviet Union'? Do you call Japan 'The Imperial Japanese'? Is Germany still The Reich? There are people holding elected offices who were born after the fall of the USSR. There is no such place, and yet you pick it up to hurl it at Bernie.

So you tell me, RandySF. Why do you do that? You made that choice. Why did you make that odd, inaccurate retro phrasing?

ladjf

(17,320 posts)
68. Would I be correct in saying that your post infers that you are more
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 10:33 PM
Mar 2016

knowledgeable and wise with regard to our foreign policy than Bernie? If your answer is yes and you are right then my compliments to you for being exceptionally gifted mentally.

Response to RandySF (Original post)

 

NuclearDem

(16,184 posts)
84. You've never seen an authoritarian anti-Western strongman you didn't like.
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 11:46 PM
Mar 2016

That includes the war criminal kleptocrat and ex-KGB Vladimir Putin, the bigot Robert Mugabe, the batshit crazy Gaddafi, the Chavez/Maduro crime syndicate that routinely violates human and civil rights, and Barrel Bomb Assad.

As long as kids are being killed by MiGs, you say nothing.

polly7

(20,582 posts)
85. Wtf are you blabbering about???
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 11:48 PM
Mar 2016

You should probably stop making up shit and try to defend your candidate's record wrt the suffering of millions and stop deflecting. It's sad and pathetic.

 

NuclearDem

(16,184 posts)
86. Polly, if you think people are going to believe you don't have this kind of history,
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 11:51 PM
Mar 2016

then that's just sad.

Every thread about Syria has you apologizing for the Assad regime. Every thread about Russia or Ukraine has you apologizing for Putin. Every thread involving Russia Today has you defending that propaganda outfit. Every mention of Libya has you apologizing for Qaddafi. You've shown your support for the Workers World Party, which has a history of cheering on brutal Soviet, Chinese, and North Korean crackdowns and war crimes.

Just stop.

polly7

(20,582 posts)
87. I've never apologized for Assad, Putin or anyone else, so don't lie.
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 11:53 PM
Mar 2016

I'm against anything that's brought on by LIES for empire and greed that kills small children and ruins the lives of millions. That those people happen to be some of those who lead/led those nations is something you use to justify this fucking horror. Sorry, you're too transparent.

SO JUST STOP.

 

NuclearDem

(16,184 posts)
88. Yes, you have. You're fooling nobody.
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 11:56 PM
Mar 2016

Sorry, but your blatant support for the WWP in light of its disgusting history of apologia for the Soviet Union says that's either complete horseshit, or you haven't the faintest idea what went on behind the Iron Curtain.

polly7

(20,582 posts)
89. No, I haven't. Wow, you are so desperate.
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 11:57 PM
Mar 2016

Link or fucking slink to me apologizing for anything wrt the Soviet Union.

I'LL WAIT.

 

NuclearDem

(16,184 posts)
92. You know what, I started looking.
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 12:18 AM
Mar 2016

But I kind of stopped after the OP where you repeat the Soviet/Nazi line that Poland "deserved it."

To vomit.

polly7

(20,582 posts)
93. Post it!!!
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 12:19 AM
Mar 2016

I've never fucking talked about Poland - especially about them deserving anything. What ARE you blabbering about??

 

NuclearDem

(16,184 posts)
98. Yes, you have.
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 12:21 AM
Mar 2016
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1016113615

It includes apologia for the fucking vile Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact, so you get bonus points for also making excuses for the illegal and brutal occupation of my ancestral homeland as well.

polly7

(20,582 posts)
100. You're sick.
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 12:23 AM
Mar 2016

I posted an article in Good Reads I found interesting and it got some very informative replies.

You should probably post what I supposedly said about Poland deserving anything. Lies, lies and more lies.

 

NuclearDem

(16,184 posts)
101. Molotov-Ribbentrop apologia is sick.
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 12:27 AM
Mar 2016

Or did you not even bother to read that article before you posted it?

polly7

(20,582 posts)
105. I skimmed it.
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 12:33 AM
Mar 2016

Then I read it thoroughly here, as well as the well-thought out comments it got.

Suck on it.

 

NuclearDem

(16,184 posts)
123. What war apologia would that be, Polly?
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 01:11 AM
Mar 2016

I'm an Afghanistan veteran who thinks that war is a gigantic clusterfuck that should have ended long ago.

I've been against the Iraq War my entire adult life.

I'm not in favor of US or Russian intervention in Syria without authorization from the United Nations, and I've long believed Assad should have stepped down long ago, before he declared war on his own people.

I supported the Libya intervention because the Security Council authorized it and the Libyans were calling out for it. Qaddafi should have stepped down before declaring war on his own people.

I've been against the various illegal invasions and annexations carried out by Vladimir Putin in Georgia and Ukraine, and his wholesale butchering of Chechnya.

So what war apologia would that be, Polly? As you say, link or slink.

polly7

(20,582 posts)
125. It's plain to see.
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 01:13 AM
Mar 2016

Libya was a lying farce.

Ukraine was also a lying farce.

You cheer both - good for you, aren't you special. All those people who've died in horrible ways, been burned alive, hung in the streets, forced to flee and drown at sea - nothing to see there. I fucking hate needless war and dirty coups. You support them. See the difference??

 

NuclearDem

(16,184 posts)
136. Ukraine wasn't a coup.
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 01:25 AM
Mar 2016

The people who call it a coup are the ones who need Sevastapol to stay open for Russian business and legitimize an otherwise illegal invasion.

The Security Council authorized intervention in Libya to stop the butchering of protestors. That places ruled by a strongman fall apart once the strongman dies isn't war apologia--it's a basic fact of history.

How exactly did you think people were dying in Libya or Syria beforehand? Just all falling into nice warm beds and going in their sleep?

Strongmen don't create stability, Polly, they repress instability. There's a world of difference between the two.

polly7

(20,582 posts)
138. Sure it was.
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 01:29 AM
Mar 2016

You can keep trying to defend the western funded dirty coup all you like, some of us actually researched and learned all about it. Just as we did Libya, Iraq, Syria, weapons sales to Saudi Arabia to commit war crimes in Yemen, Honduras ........ pretty much every dirty coup/war since WW11. Plenty of people here weren't fooled by the same old western propaganda that enabled Iraq. You give yourself far too much credit. The lies didn't work then, they're still not working. Maybe you need to talk about it with someone easily fooled. Keep practicing though .......... the next 'war'/coup won't be so easy.

 

NuclearDem

(16,184 posts)
143. "Maybe you need to talk about it with someone easily fooled."
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 01:36 AM
Mar 2016

It's rather interesting how I don't have to go particularly far to do so.

polly7

(20,582 posts)
144. No, you're in no way interesting. That is the last thing I'd call you. But try with someone
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 01:37 AM
Mar 2016

who doesn't know better ...... you seem to enjoy it.

 

NuclearDem

(16,184 posts)
150. Despite how I may appear right now,
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 01:41 AM
Mar 2016

I can assure you that I most certainly do not enjoy anything of the sort.

polly7

(20,582 posts)
152. I believe you certainly do. You're insulting, lying and being completely disgusting
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 01:43 AM
Mar 2016

towards someone who hates it. You seem to be defending it with every dirty thing you can think of - people only try that hard when they get some satisfaction from it.

polly7

(20,582 posts)
117. Wow, he/she lied. And here you are, yet again rushing in with your one-line yammering.
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 12:54 AM
Mar 2016

Did the bat signal go out?

R B Garr

(16,919 posts)
120. Totally nailed it. Sorry. I've even see you lamenting
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 12:57 AM
Mar 2016

Qaddafi's suffering, the poor dear. It's inexcusable the things said about Putin.

polly7

(20,582 posts)
121. I wouldn't stand by and let a dog be sodomized with a bayonet and tortured in the
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 12:58 AM
Mar 2016

street. I'd probably try to stop it and be killed myself.

You'd laugh at it - seems absolutely sick to me.


R B Garr

(16,919 posts)
145. That's why I posted to NuclearDem that they totally nailed you.
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 01:37 AM
Mar 2016

And he/she did completely nail it. Thanks for your post, though.

R B Garr

(16,919 posts)
149. Figures of speech are not for everyone. That's why I posted to NuclearDem and
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 01:40 AM
Mar 2016

not you. I would bet NulearDem understands, and that's who I posted to.

R B Garr

(16,919 posts)
153. And thank you for acknowledging that you had nothing to say to me,
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 01:43 AM
Mar 2016

as my post was to NuclearDem about how well they nailed you.

polly7

(20,582 posts)
155. I actually never have anything to say to you when you swoop in with your nothings
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 01:44 AM
Mar 2016

once the bat signal goes out.

Seriously.

R B Garr

(16,919 posts)
157. Yes, it's obvious that you have nothing to say, but you post something anyway.
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 01:46 AM
Mar 2016

In this case, I posted to NuclearDem that he/she totally nailed you.

R B Garr

(16,919 posts)
166. I remember when The Magistrate totally nailed you, too.
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 01:58 AM
Mar 2016

Too bad he doesn't post here anymore. Totally nailed.

R B Garr

(16,919 posts)
171. That's what I thought when I read your responses to The Magistrate...
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 02:04 AM
Mar 2016

Too bad he doesn't post here anymore.

Anyway, I thought NuclearDem completely nailed it tonight. Brilliant responses starting at post 86.

polly7

(20,582 posts)
173. You are really, really boring and actually quite sad. Bat signal says learn more about
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 02:07 AM
Mar 2016

what I've argued against since I joined in 2005 - you might not look so simple-minded. i think they're getting embarrassed back at the cave.

R B Garr

(16,919 posts)
175. I've read enough of the responses to see that you are a hypocrite.
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 02:29 AM
Mar 2016

This thread is just one example, but a brilliant poster The Magistrate really nailed you a couple years ago. What's sad is that he doesn't post here anymore. You went back and self-deleted those threads months later, so you obviously know what I'm talking about. They were that bad.

And you know way more about other websites than I do, obsessed even.

polly7

(20,582 posts)
176. I've read enough from you to see that you're a liar. Every single time you swoop
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 02:32 AM
Mar 2016

in. It's just expected. Like the nasty kid in school who jumps in and tries to start a fight while hiding behind. You never discuss an issue, it's just all about being the meanest you can possibly be when you haven't even been addressed. Kids like that in school made me puke - my opinion of it hasn't changed.

Now, go back for more orders.

R B Garr

(16,919 posts)
177. You were insulting to a great poster like The Magistrate, too.
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 02:35 AM
Mar 2016

It's really sad he doesn't post here anymore.

What's funny about your whole post is that you could have written this about yourself. I posted to NuclearDem.

polly7

(20,582 posts)
178. He was insulting to me. I respond with how I was addressed. Exactly as in this thread by
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 02:39 AM
Mar 2016

you and your warmongering pals. If he didn't like it - or you don't like it - too bad!!!! Poor thing, if he was insulted when he insulted me first. I guess he shouldn't have started it, eh??? I'm no shrinking violet that takes shit from anyone, I don't give a fuck if it was 'The Magistrate' or the Queen of England. You get what you give.

R B Garr

(16,919 posts)
179. Ah, now we see how this works. You do know exactly what I was talking about, but
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 02:42 AM
Mar 2016

you've spent several posts pretending otherwise.

polly7

(20,582 posts)
180. You don't even make sense with your blabber.
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 02:44 AM
Mar 2016

I just told you after you brought up a poster here that I give what I get - I don't care who it's from. It's really, really simple to understand.

R B Garr

(16,919 posts)
183. This is a pattern, though. You obviously know who and what I was talking about,
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 08:39 AM
Mar 2016

but you spent several posts insulting me since that's the only reason you posted to me today. My post was to NuclearDem.

And The Magistrate didn't insult you. That's the point. He just totally nailed you and your hypocrisy. So did NuclearDem.

polly7

(20,582 posts)
185. Yeah, he did. His passive aggressive bullshit he thought was so brilliant went on for hours.
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 10:09 AM
Mar 2016

He loved doing it, just as you do, and you haven't got a fucking clue what you're talking about. And Nuclearwhatever nailed nothing.

You are so pathetic swooping in with your personal attacks every single time you see a chance for a pile-on - like another little scared bully at school that can't do anything on your own - never, ever a single comment on the issue. Just a pitiful little internet bully - how sad for you.

But hey, warmongers gonna war.

polly7

(20,582 posts)
129. Pootie, Pootie, Pootie!!!
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 01:19 AM
Mar 2016

I still haven't had Hussein's baby - are you the one who accused me of being his baby-momma? lmfao. The more things change, eh? Warmongers gonna war.

CreekDog

(46,192 posts)
94. why are you such a harsh critic of Putin?
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 12:19 AM
Mar 2016

obviously to dislike him and criticize him, there must be something in particular you hate about him?

tell us why.

i mean i completely agree with you that Putin is horrible, he's anti-gay and he's invaded with impunity.

is there anything else you dislike about him?

polly7

(20,582 posts)
104. OMG!!! Horrible.
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 12:32 AM
Mar 2016

You're desperate to deflect just who has been causing the horror around the world for the last decades, aren't you? Sanders doesn't believe that fake R2P wars and dirty coups around the world are something to be aimed for. This place used to be for progressives who were against war. What a change ......... very sad and disappointing to see so many for the right to continue and escalate it. But it's all the big bad Russians' fault! How fucking pathetic.

CreekDog

(46,192 posts)
106. You just said you never talk about Putin
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 12:34 AM
Mar 2016

10 seconds with the google suggests that you either have pages worth of amnesia

or were at a loss for how to respond to my original questions.

polly7

(20,582 posts)
107. Apparently I never cared that much to talk about him as you had to search
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 12:35 AM
Mar 2016

far and wide, and it was really nothing in the end. I forget a lot of things I don't find important. So sad, too fucking bad.

CreekDog

(46,192 posts)
112. you post so much about Putin and Russia that it's hard to figure out what to choose from your posts
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 12:48 AM
Mar 2016

as examples.

but i think i chose pretty well, i mean considering it was about a 2 minute search.

as for you, you said you don't talk about Putin.

which makes you a...........................?

polly7

(20,582 posts)
116. I think you might need some help. You're either hallucinating, or just so desperate
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 12:52 AM
Mar 2016

to defend a foreign policy that you seem to hope will escalate the horrible suffering in the ME and NA that you're just plain, flat out lying to distract from it. Either way, you're seeming - again, desperate.

polly7

(20,582 posts)
119. I'm against any foreign policy that ruins the lives of millions and kills, mutilates and makes
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 12:57 AM
Mar 2016

homeless - children.

Get it?

Good.



 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
73. Let me ask you a question, what does the Allende coup have to do with Iraq?
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 11:19 PM
Mar 2016

It must be connected according to you.

RandySF

(57,588 posts)
74. This so richly ironic
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 11:26 PM
Mar 2016

Considering the Bernie supporters who chanted "English" while Dolores Huerta tried to translate at the Nevada caucus. Different day, different side of the issue when it suits them.

panader0

(25,816 posts)
75. My personal one trick pony says:
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 11:31 PM
Mar 2016

No More War!
And your insult is ridiculous. So he can only find two "country" on a map? HAAA! You sooo smart.

polly7

(20,582 posts)
76. Yeah ......... diplomacy is always better than killing small children. Millions agree with him. nt
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 11:34 PM
Mar 2016

EndElectoral

(4,213 posts)
79. Bernie Foreign Policy is simple Lenonism - John Lennon. Give peace a chance.
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 11:38 PM
Mar 2016

Hillary prefers the heavy metal. Maybe a little Five Finger Death Punch.

"Politicians banking in their greed
No idea on how to be all they can be

Have you no honor Have you no soul
What is it they’re dying for Do you really even know
Have you no backbone Have you no spine...

Play your war games with other people’s lives
It should be you on the front line"

jillan

(39,451 posts)
97. Hmmm - he said a heckuva a lot more than that tonite on CNN. Guess you weren't listening.
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 12:21 AM
Mar 2016

He has a concrete plan for the ME.
He spent a lot of time talking about Saudi Arabia - TG someone finally has the guts to say what needs to be said.
Iran.
China.

They barely talked about Iraq tonite

snowy owl

(2,145 posts)
99. Do you really pay attention?
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 12:22 AM
Mar 2016

Bernie gave Hillary a tutorial on foreign policy tonight on CNN - Anderson Cooper.

JonLeibowitz

(6,282 posts)
141. Yeah I have no idea what is going on upthread about that. Appears to be some bullying
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 01:34 AM
Mar 2016

Nucleardem at least seems way, way off base.

polly7

(20,582 posts)
142. It's just the normal defense of the indefensible using strawmen/boogeymen to do it with.
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 01:35 AM
Mar 2016

I'm used to it.

JonLeibowitz

(6,282 posts)
158. polly7 never said what you claimed about Poland.
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 01:46 AM
Mar 2016

Posting something in Good Reads doesn't mean you are literally saying everything in the piece and believe every word.

FWIW, I have hate-read Ayn Rand previously. Does that make me a libertarian?

polly7

(20,582 posts)
163. Thank you! I also pointed out that I appreciated the thoughtful replies it got.
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 01:50 AM
Mar 2016

I've posted many controversial things in Good Reads. People have recc'd them just for the ability to discuss them - and often disagree. As I sometimes do. But apparently I love the Soviet Union's policies, Pootie - I even loved Hussein so much I wanted to have his baby. Anything to distract from a current foreign policy from their/our own that is causing suffering for millions.

 

NuclearDem

(16,184 posts)
164. No, because nothing I've read from you here would give me that impression.
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 01:51 AM
Mar 2016

With her, it's a different matter entirely.

polly7

(20,582 posts)
165. With 'her!. With 'you' it's always the same old crap.
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 01:53 AM
Mar 2016

Pootie!

Qaddafi!

Hussein!

Assad!

Chavez!

Not a word about Kissenger, Kagan, Cheney or anyone from the west who's actually caused or pushed for every horror for the last decades.

It's a desperate ploy. So sad to see here.

 

DemocracyDirect

(708 posts)
137. The poster is so dishonest about something so important.
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 01:29 AM
Mar 2016

Bernie Sanders put the whole Middle East in balanced perspective.

And clearly has the plan to not only avoid war but to establish a lasting peace.

Imagine all the people, living life in peace.

 

Ken Burch

(50,254 posts)
160. Bernie's vision involves a lot less war...how is that a bad thing?
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 01:48 AM
Mar 2016

We really don't need to be intervening militarily anywhere anymore. Iraq and Libya prove that no good can ever come of U.S.-imposed regime change inthe Arab/Muslim world.

 

Ken Burch

(50,254 posts)
162. HRC's foreign policy is based on the delusion that war can somehow be feminist and progressive.
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 01:49 AM
Mar 2016

No U.S. war anywhere has had any feminist or progressive or even vaguely positive consequences since the end of World War II.

Perogie

(687 posts)
168. His one trick is not to vote for a war that Hillary was completely fooled about.
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 02:01 AM
Mar 2016

I like Bernie's trick.

 

Marr

(20,317 posts)
174. Stumping for an illegal war based on trumped-up intel should
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 02:14 AM
Mar 2016

end anyone's political career.

I care how many more foreign policy 'tricks' Hillary Clinton has in her bag, thanks. I've seen enough of them already.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
188. Yes. His trick is DEMOCRACY.
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 11:02 AM
Mar 2016

Imagine a different world, one where people are more important than the almighty dollar.

Orsino

(37,428 posts)
193. It's not a trick.
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 12:32 PM
Mar 2016

You may be confusing it with Cheney's and Powell's tricks which fooled so many Congresscritters.

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