2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumOn foreign policy, Bernie is a one-trick pony
Iraq is his only response to any foreign policy question. He has no vision for the future. Sometimes I think Iraq and the Soviet Union are the only country he can find on a map.
dogman
(6,073 posts)I don't need someone out looking for a new war.
GreenPartyVoter
(72,377 posts)Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)GreenPartyVoter
(72,377 posts)Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)I am so sick of our wars..I appreciate your response.
Baobab
(4,667 posts)I am so sick of endless warmongers
roguevalley
(40,656 posts)criminals nor vacay with them in winter. Given that HRC never met a war she didn't want all of us to fight, I think you're looking at the wrong pony.
misterhighwasted
(9,148 posts)No experience, no nothing.
Isolationism
pacalo
(24,721 posts)misterhighwasted
(9,148 posts)Not a one.
Nice try
TheCowsCameHome
(40,161 posts)The year is young.
misterhighwasted
(9,148 posts)Foreign policy rather than end interviews knowing that FP questions are next up.
Why does he avoid answering direct FP questions?
I've caught his sidestepping the issue 3 seperate times.
And today he comes out with a scripted video statement,
Given in total privacy, with no judgement from a live audience & commentary.
What is up with that?
Makes one wonder why he avoids being directly questioned about FP.
But that's my opinion. I'm sure he's got a perfectly good explaination.
pacalo
(24,721 posts)CoffeeCat
(24,411 posts)Nothing to see her folks...
CoffeeCat
(24,411 posts)Remember that 3:00 a.m. phone call?
Oh dear! We were supposed to be terrified that Barack Obama would be answering the phone. Sooooo inexperienced and unready to deal with foreign policy!
Turns out, Obama had the right judgment. Just like Sanders has the right judgment.
Obama isn't a warmonger on steroids like Clinton is.
Clinton wanted to arm the Syrian rebels and create a no-fly zone, which would have created chaos an led America into war. More bloodshed. More treasure wasted. More US soldiers dead. Obama held the line on Syria and prevented war.
Obama also brokered and finessed an incredible deal with Iran that prevented war. The neocons, which Hillary is a part of, want war with Iran so bad they're salivating for it. John Bolton and the rest of the neocons were very upset that Obama thwarted their efforts by using diplomatic skills to avoid war.
Obama also declared that his foreign-policy mantra would be, "Don't do stupid shit." The translation was that he would be measured and careful. Oh boy did that piss off Hillary. She dialed up a reporter from the Atlantic, did an interview so she could specifically criticize Obama and his attitude.
I think we all clearly see the Hillary Clinton lacks judgment. Neocons do not have good judgment when it comes to foreign policy.
They are war-focused and they will consider nothing less. Diplomacy and tacts are the enemies of these people and Hillary is one of them. Two weeks ago, the founder of the neocon movement endorsed Hillary. He picked her over all of the Republicans. Is it because she has such stellar, awesome judgment? NO...because she will further the neocon agenda. Kagan was one of her foreign-policy advisers while she was Secretary of State. They have immense faith in her. As they should.
dchill
(38,315 posts)Perogie
(687 posts)pacalo
(24,721 posts)840high
(17,196 posts)Major Hogwash
(17,656 posts)Because she thinks she is smart enough to start a war in the Middle East, and win.
kcjohn1
(751 posts)He laid out his position on Libya, Israel/Palestine, policy towards Saudis, how to solve ISIS problem. His position on latin america and regime change is pretty evident.
Hillary foreign policy is the most dangerous and scary part of her candidacy. I would take a monkey over her because at least the monkey will do nothing.
misterhighwasted
(9,148 posts)Lizzie Poppet
(10,164 posts)Just sayin'...
misterhighwasted
(9,148 posts)..war & bombing of innocents when you approved the war's contunued progression & helped the MIC build the bombers and invited them in your home state.
"Shitty at your job" is also being a hypocrite, rather than accepting your part of the blame.
Bye
Lizzie Poppet
(10,164 posts)I prefer adult conversation.
840high
(17,196 posts)Seeinghope
(786 posts)Who has a terrible foreign policy record the person to choose?
Not too logical.
Baobab
(4,667 posts)William Blum
Killing Hope
U.S. Military and CIA Interventions Since World War II
Killing Hope
2004, 471 pages
Published by Common Courage Press
ISBN: 9781567512526
Table of Contents Purchase Other Languages
Is the United States a force for democracy? In this classic and unique volume that answers this question, William Blum serves up a forensic overview of U.S. foreign policy spanning sixty years. For those who want the details on our most famous actions (Chile, Cuba, Vietnam, to name a few), and for those who want to learn about our lesser-known efforts (France, China, Bolivia, Brazil, for example), this book provides a window on what our foreign policy goals really are.
If you flip over the rock of American foreign policy of the past century, this is what crawls out
invasions
bombings
overthrowing governments
occupations
suppressing movements for social change
assassinating political leaders
perverting elections
manipulating labor unions
manufacturing news
death squads
torture
biological warfare
depleted uranium
drug trafficking
mercenaries
Its not a pretty picture. Its enough to give imperialism a bad name.
Read the full details in: Killing Hope: US Military and CIA Interventions Since World War II.
Far and away the best book on the topic. Noam Chomsky
I enjoyed it immensely. Gore Vidal
I bought several more copies to circulate to friends with the hope of shedding new light and understanding on their political outlooks. Oliver Stone
A very valuable book. The research and organization are extremely impressive. A. J. Langguth, author, former New York Times Bureau Chief
A very useful piece of work, daunting in scope, important. Thomas Powers, author, Pulitzer Prize-winning journalist
Each chapter I read made me more and more angry. Dr. Helen Caldicott, international leader of the anti-nuclear and environmental movements
See a map based on the interventions chronicled in this book.
Table of Contents
Introduction
Chapter 1: China - 1945 to 1960s: Was Mao Tse-tung just paranoid?
Chapter 2: Italy - 1947-1948: Free elections, Hollywood style
Chapter 3: Greece - 1947 to early 1950s: From cradle of democracy to client state
Chapter 4: The Philippines - 1940s and 1950s: Americas oldest colony
Chapter 5: Korea - 1945-1953: Was it all that it appeared to be?
Chapter 6: Albania - 1949-1953: The proper English spy
Chapter 7: Eastern Europe - 1948-1956: Operation Splinter Factor
Chapter 8: Germany - 1950s: Everything from juvenile delinquency to terrorism
Chapter 9: Iran - 1953: Making it safe for the King of Kings
Chapter 10: Guatemala - 1953-1954: While the world watched
Chapter 11: Costa Rica - Mid-1950s: Trying to topple an ally - Part 1
Chapter 12: Syria - 1956-1957: Purchasing a new government
Chapter 13: Middle East - 1957-1958: The Eisenhower Doctrine claims another backyard for America
Chapter 14: Indonesia - 1957-1958: War and pornography
Chapter 15: Western Europe - 1950s and 1960s: Fronts within fronts within fronts
Chapter 16: British Guiana - 1953-1964: The CIAs international labor mafia
Chapter 17: Soviet Union - Late 1940s to 1960s: From spy planes to book publishing
Chapter 18: Italy - 1950s to 1970s: Supporting the Cardinals orphans and techno-fascism
Chapter 19: Vietnam - 1950-1973: The Hearts and Minds Circus
Chapter 20: Cambodia - 1955-1973: Prince Sihanouk walks the high-wire of neutralism
Chapter 21: Laos - 1957-1973: LArmée Clandestine
Chapter 22: Haiti - 1959-1963: The Marines land, again
Chapter 23: Guatemala - 1960: One good coup deserves another
Chapter 24: France/Algeria - 1960s: Létat, cest la CIA
Chapter 25: Ecuador - 1960-1963: A text book of dirty tricks
Chapter 26: The Congo - 1960-1964: The assassination of Patrice Lumumba
Chapter 27: Brazil - 1961-1964: Introducing the marvelous new world of death squads
Chapter 28: Peru - 1960-1965: Fort Bragg moves to the jungle
Chapter 29: Dominican Republic - 1960-1966: Saving democracy from communism by getting rid of democracy
Chapter 30: Cuba - 1959 to 1980s: The unforgivable revolution
Chapter 31: Indonesia - 1965: Liquidating President Sukarno ..: and 500,000 others; East Timor - 1975: And 200,000 more
Chapter 32: Ghana - 1966: Kwame Nkrumah steps out of line
Chapter 33: Uruguay - 1964-1970: Tortureas American as apple pie
Chapter 34: Chile - 1964-1973: A hammer and sickle stamped on your childs forehead
Chapter 35: Greece - 1964-1974: Fuck your Parliament and your Constitution, said the President of the United States
Chapter 36: Bolivia - 1964-1975: Tracking down Che Guevara in the land of coup detat
Chapter 37: Guatemala - 1962 to 1980s: A less publicized final solution
Chapter 38: Costa Rica - 1970-1971: Trying to topple an allyPart 2
Chapter 39: Iraq - 1972-1975: Covert action should not be confused with missionary work
Chapter 40: Australia - 1973-1975: Another free election bites the dust
Chapter 41: Angola - 1975 to 1980s: The Great Powers Poker Game
Chapter 42: Zaire - 1975-1978: Mobutu and the CIA, a marriage made in heaven
Chapter 43: Jamaica - 1976-1980: Kissingers ultimatum
Chapter 44: Seychelles - 1979-1981: Yet another area of great strategic importance
Chapter 45: Grenada - 1979-1984: Lyingone of the few growth industries in Washington
Chapter 46: Morocco - 1983: A video nasty
Chapter 47: Suriname - 1982-1984: Once again, the Cuban bogeyman
Chapter 48: Libya - 1981-1989: Ronald Reagan meets his match
Chapter 49: Nicaragua - 1981-1990: Destabilization in slow motion
Chapter 50: Panama - 1969-1991: Double-crossing our drug supplier
Chapter 51: Bulgaria 1990/Albania 1991: Teaching communists what democracy is all about
Chapter 52: Iraq - 1990-1991: Desert Holocaust
Chapter 53: Afghanistan - 1979-1992: Americas Jihad
Chapter 54: El Salvador - 1980-1994: Human rights, Washington style
Chapter 55: Haiti - 1986-1994: Who will rid me of this turbulent priest?
Chapter 56: The American Empire - 1992 to present
Notes
Appendix I: This is How the Money Goes Round
Appendix II: Instances of Use of United States Armed Forces Abroad, 1798-1945
Appendix III: U.S. Government Assassination Plots
Index
http://williamblum.org/books/killing-hope/#toc
misterhighwasted
(9,148 posts)As well as being in support of MIC & Lockheed.
Google it.
AgerolanAmerican
(1,000 posts)We could make another such list just off the military adventurism of the post-1992 era. When the Cold War ended, this nonsense went into hyperdrive.
misterhighwasted
(9,148 posts)IRAQ
Economy
Used to be free stuff but I see he's now changed his mind on free college for everyone.
That's about it. Iraq
TheCowsCameHome
(40,161 posts)Broward
(1,976 posts)Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)misterhighwasted
(9,148 posts)Sorry , I forgot about the Fidel fp.
think
(11,641 posts)misterhighwasted
(9,148 posts)And here on DU.
comradebillyboy
(10,119 posts)campaign in Florida. It was part of the Confederacy so its votes don't count.
think
(11,641 posts)those groups with what the OP is claiming which is his issues and foreign policy sound like those of Castro and the Sandinistas.
But hey. If you can show me a comparison of Bernie's foriegn policy speech and show me the similarities to Castro's and the Sandinista's I'd appreciate it.
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)CoffeeCat
(24,411 posts)I'd feel much safer with someone in the White House who isn't the darling of the sociopathic neocon brigade.
Robert Kagan founded the neocon movement with Bill Kristol. Those two are the braintrusts behind the chaos we now see in the Middle East. They orchestrated the Iraq War to get into the Middle East, so they could plunder Iraq, Syria, Lybia and Iran. That's been their plan since 1996.
Robert Kagan, the Godfather of this putrid, war-for-profit debacle--endorsed Hillary two weeks ago. Any presidential candidate, Democrat or Republican, who has the blessing of Robert Kagan, isn't someone that should be making foreign-policy decisions for me, and with my tax dollars. I'm against the murder of innocent men, women and children for profit.
Hillary also hand picked Kagan to be one of her foreign-policy advisers, while she was Secretary of State. Again, bad judgement.
Frightening that a Democrat would bring this disgusting slop into our party, don't you think?
I know Bernie never would. He has my vote. Clinton will never have it, precisely because of her neocon buddies.
Broward
(1,976 posts)CoffeeCat
(24,411 posts)Kissinger, Blumenthal, Kagan.
A plague upon our party. Were in the hell is a giant can of Raid when you need it?
I've been on DU for a long time. During the Iraq War we were united against the neocon bloodshed. We ALL knew it was a lie. Most people knew what PNAC was and what the neocons were.
We all commiserated together that these sick bastards were making such progress on their "neocon agenda."
And now...look at our party.
Hillary Clinton has dragged these rats into our space, inside the Democratic party.
I never changed. I've held onto the same principles. I'm against the neocon plan for war-for-profit that we were ALL against several years ago.
It's just dastardly that this is tolerated in our party. Just revolting.
And to pass this off as "good judgment" is beyond the pale.
Broward
(1,976 posts)Yet, Hillary got it wrong. Barring a miracle comeback from Bernie, Hillary will be the only candidate running in the general that voted for the Iraq War. The Dem Party continues to sink to new lows.
misterhighwasted
(9,148 posts)That's his biggest problem. Welk, next to n9t having an iota of fp experience.
He cannot compete with the experience & knowledge of Hillary Clinton. That's why he avoids questions of FP.
Why he sent a video.
Never mind. Bernie sanders is terribly weak on FP & that's not what we need in a President these days.
He's got his oligarchs & Lockheed friends also. If thats what you're insinuating as to Hillary.
Just saying.
Later.
CoffeeCat
(24,411 posts)Here's a link. It's called, "Rebuilding America's Defenses."
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/pdf/RebuildingAmericasDefenses.pdf
The neocons laid out the countries that they wanted: Iraq, Syria, Libya, Iran.
Hillary handed them Libya on a silver platter. She spearheaded efforts to overthrow Gadaffi, and now Libya is a failed state with 30,000 dead and untold numbers fleeing into Europe. But that's what the neocons wanted. First, they destabilize and create chaos--so they can ultimately plunder and allow their corporate buddies to come in and set up shop. End goal--billions of dollars for very powerful interests. Bloodshed for dollars. Dead kids for dollars. Pain and suffering--all for profits.
There is a reason that Hillary hand-picked Robert Kagan to be one of her foreign-policy advisers while she was Sec of State. She subscribes to the neocon agenda, obviously. That is clear with her actions on Libya.
Kagan started the neocon movement. He hatched the entire plan, way back in the mid 1990's. He was one of the PNAC signatories who penned a letter to then-President Bill Clinton and begged him for a war in Iraq.
It's really a disgraceful stain on our nation's history.
boobooday
(7,869 posts)These are the people Ike tried to warn us about.
polly7
(20,582 posts)TheCowsCameHome
(40,161 posts)Docreed2003
(16,817 posts)Yeah....some foreign policy experience Sec Clinton has...as a combat vet, I think I'll side with the candidate with better judgement.
noretreatnosurrender
(1,890 posts)Now where have I heard that before? Oh yeah, it was that his entire campaign was a one trick pony. Now it's his foreign policy? Isn't that part of the campaign?
Seeinghope
(786 posts)Israel, Hama, Saudi Arabia, Iran, Libya.........deposing governments. Different forms of Government Authoritarian as is Cuba and how you can recognize the good and bad in countries. How the U.S. Has leaders of China and other countries that are authoritarian come visit the WH so why shouldn't Cuba be able to do the same now? That foreign policy doesn't have to be just about wars.
Kip Humphrey
(4,753 posts)Never?
or
Not ever?
WIN! Bernie WIN!
Seeinghope
(786 posts)NWCorona
(8,541 posts)To many questions will be asked.
TheCowsCameHome
(40,161 posts)The wolves are nipping at her heels.
NWCorona
(8,541 posts)reddread
(6,896 posts)we need some attention.
hellofromreddit
(1,182 posts)"In my dealings with him, and in analyzing his record in Congress over the past 25 years, I have found that Sanders has taken balanced, realistic positions on many of the most critical foreign policy issues facing the country."
....
I have no doubt that Sanders will be willing to challenge the foreign policy establishment, as Obama did on such issues. Does Sanders have the same amount of foreign policy experience as Hillary Clinton? Obviously not. But Bill Clinton had far less foreign policy experience than George H.W. Bush, and Obama had less than John McCainand both presidents had effective foreign policies. If he is elected, I believe Sanders will also be able to attract a competent foreign policy cohort, just as Obama didincluding many of the current Clinton team. With the right partners in placeand, above all, the right principals and instinctsa President Sanders could be just the foreign policy president we need.
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)Hey maybe more investment to defense contractors, a few trillion here and a few trillion there.
hellofromreddit
(1,182 posts)Here's Sanders speaking about Kosovo.
Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)if the remaining candidates. But that doesn't excuse him not doing his homework.
DianaForRussFeingold
(2,552 posts)snowy owl
(2,145 posts)What a great idea! I want him back in the Senate. Is he for Bernie? What a great moniker you have! I'm a Seattle girl who loves Russ Feingold! He is one of the best!
Lizzie Poppet
(10,164 posts)I'm sure she can find all kinds of countries on the map...and start wars in them.
snowy owl
(2,145 posts)Bjornsdotter
(6,123 posts)....yeah what a putz.
Attorney in Texas
(3,373 posts)OZi
(155 posts)It's almost like he doesn't pander or evolve enough to make some people happy. It's a shame he doesn't like Henry Kissinger enough to call him up and ask for advice.
dchill
(38,315 posts)HERVEPA
(6,107 posts)EdwardBernays
(3,343 posts)The hits keep coming.
The funny thing is that every time a Clinton supporter says such an outrageous lie another Bernie supporter decides he won't vote for her in the GE if she gets the nomination.
AgerolanAmerican
(1,000 posts)You're kidding, right? You going to face up to the disasters she caused in Libya, Syria, Honduras and Ukraine, or are we pretending those didn't happen and/or aren't all-out catastrophic situations caused primarily by HRC?
I'd take a totally blank slate over that.
I'd roll the dice for any outcome over that.
Her bloodthirsty foreign policy makes Dick Cheney look like a pacifist.
Bernie doesn't need to say ANYTHING AT ALL in order to be leagues above her on foreign policy.
Of course Bernie keeps mentioning Iraq, because he knows HRC will get us into another one as soon as she possibly can, and she'll do it with glee.
How much glee, you ask? This much:
NuclearDem
(16,184 posts)What he seems to forget is that Obama also had foreign policy experience not related to Iraq, most notably, nuclear arms control.
revbones
(3,660 posts)Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)Clinton? Talk about one trick ponies....
RandySF
(57,588 posts)NuclearDem
(16,184 posts)Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)maps, for a quarter of a century that geographical location is called Russia. But you reach back in time to speak of 'the Soviet Union' as the only country Bernie can find on a map. A nonexistent country that is not on maps. That rhetorical choice comes from somewhere. It's not reality based, it's based on your need to say 'commie' about the candidate whose differences very clearly motivate some of his constant bashers, particularly those who deal in such oddities as speaking of the Soviet Union as a current nation.
Why would you call Russia 'The Soviet Union'? Do you call Japan 'The Imperial Japanese'? Is Germany still The Reich? There are people holding elected offices who were born after the fall of the USSR. There is no such place, and yet you pick it up to hurl it at Bernie.
So you tell me, RandySF. Why do you do that? You made that choice. Why did you make that odd, inaccurate retro phrasing?
RandySF
(57,588 posts)Don't dance around it.
ladjf
(17,320 posts)knowledgeable and wise with regard to our foreign policy than Bernie? If your answer is yes and you are right then my compliments to you for being exceptionally gifted mentally.
Response to RandySF (Original post)
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polly7
(20,582 posts)NuclearDem
(16,184 posts)polly7
(20,582 posts)Post your proof of such a disgusting accusation. I'll wait.
NuclearDem
(16,184 posts)That includes the war criminal kleptocrat and ex-KGB Vladimir Putin, the bigot Robert Mugabe, the batshit crazy Gaddafi, the Chavez/Maduro crime syndicate that routinely violates human and civil rights, and Barrel Bomb Assad.
As long as kids are being killed by MiGs, you say nothing.
polly7
(20,582 posts)You should probably stop making up shit and try to defend your candidate's record wrt the suffering of millions and stop deflecting. It's sad and pathetic.
NuclearDem
(16,184 posts)then that's just sad.
Every thread about Syria has you apologizing for the Assad regime. Every thread about Russia or Ukraine has you apologizing for Putin. Every thread involving Russia Today has you defending that propaganda outfit. Every mention of Libya has you apologizing for Qaddafi. You've shown your support for the Workers World Party, which has a history of cheering on brutal Soviet, Chinese, and North Korean crackdowns and war crimes.
Just stop.
polly7
(20,582 posts)I'm against anything that's brought on by LIES for empire and greed that kills small children and ruins the lives of millions. That those people happen to be some of those who lead/led those nations is something you use to justify this fucking horror. Sorry, you're too transparent.
SO JUST STOP.
NuclearDem
(16,184 posts)Sorry, but your blatant support for the WWP in light of its disgusting history of apologia for the Soviet Union says that's either complete horseshit, or you haven't the faintest idea what went on behind the Iron Curtain.
polly7
(20,582 posts)Link or fucking slink to me apologizing for anything wrt the Soviet Union.
I'LL WAIT.
NuclearDem
(16,184 posts)But I kind of stopped after the OP where you repeat the Soviet/Nazi line that Poland "deserved it."
To vomit.
polly7
(20,582 posts)I've never fucking talked about Poland - especially about them deserving anything. What ARE you blabbering about??
NuclearDem
(16,184 posts)It includes apologia for the fucking vile Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact, so you get bonus points for also making excuses for the illegal and brutal occupation of my ancestral homeland as well.
polly7
(20,582 posts)I posted an article in Good Reads I found interesting and it got some very informative replies.
You should probably post what I supposedly said about Poland deserving anything. Lies, lies and more lies.
NuclearDem
(16,184 posts)Or did you not even bother to read that article before you posted it?
polly7
(20,582 posts)Then I read it thoroughly here, as well as the well-thought out comments it got.
Suck on it.
NuclearDem
(16,184 posts)I'll just leave it at that.
polly7
(20,582 posts)NuclearDem
(16,184 posts)I'm an Afghanistan veteran who thinks that war is a gigantic clusterfuck that should have ended long ago.
I've been against the Iraq War my entire adult life.
I'm not in favor of US or Russian intervention in Syria without authorization from the United Nations, and I've long believed Assad should have stepped down long ago, before he declared war on his own people.
I supported the Libya intervention because the Security Council authorized it and the Libyans were calling out for it. Qaddafi should have stepped down before declaring war on his own people.
I've been against the various illegal invasions and annexations carried out by Vladimir Putin in Georgia and Ukraine, and his wholesale butchering of Chechnya.
So what war apologia would that be, Polly? As you say, link or slink.
polly7
(20,582 posts)Libya was a lying farce.
Ukraine was also a lying farce.
You cheer both - good for you, aren't you special. All those people who've died in horrible ways, been burned alive, hung in the streets, forced to flee and drown at sea - nothing to see there. I fucking hate needless war and dirty coups. You support them. See the difference??
NuclearDem
(16,184 posts)The people who call it a coup are the ones who need Sevastapol to stay open for Russian business and legitimize an otherwise illegal invasion.
The Security Council authorized intervention in Libya to stop the butchering of protestors. That places ruled by a strongman fall apart once the strongman dies isn't war apologia--it's a basic fact of history.
How exactly did you think people were dying in Libya or Syria beforehand? Just all falling into nice warm beds and going in their sleep?
Strongmen don't create stability, Polly, they repress instability. There's a world of difference between the two.
polly7
(20,582 posts)You can keep trying to defend the western funded dirty coup all you like, some of us actually researched and learned all about it. Just as we did Libya, Iraq, Syria, weapons sales to Saudi Arabia to commit war crimes in Yemen, Honduras ........ pretty much every dirty coup/war since WW11. Plenty of people here weren't fooled by the same old western propaganda that enabled Iraq. You give yourself far too much credit. The lies didn't work then, they're still not working. Maybe you need to talk about it with someone easily fooled. Keep practicing though .......... the next 'war'/coup won't be so easy.
NuclearDem
(16,184 posts)It's rather interesting how I don't have to go particularly far to do so.
polly7
(20,582 posts)who doesn't know better ...... you seem to enjoy it.
NuclearDem
(16,184 posts)I can assure you that I most certainly do not enjoy anything of the sort.
polly7
(20,582 posts)towards someone who hates it. You seem to be defending it with every dirty thing you can think of - people only try that hard when they get some satisfaction from it.
R B Garr
(16,919 posts)The hypocrisy is totally exposed.
polly7
(20,582 posts)Did the bat signal go out?
R B Garr
(16,919 posts)Qaddafi's suffering, the poor dear. It's inexcusable the things said about Putin.
polly7
(20,582 posts)street. I'd probably try to stop it and be killed myself.
You'd laugh at it - seems absolutely sick to me.
R B Garr
(16,919 posts)You should read it again.
polly7
(20,582 posts)R B Garr
(16,919 posts)Totally nailed it.
polly7
(20,582 posts)Better go back to your cave for further instructions.
R B Garr
(16,919 posts)You should read it again.
polly7
(20,582 posts)R B Garr
(16,919 posts)And he/she did completely nail it. Thanks for your post, though.
polly7
(20,582 posts)R B Garr
(16,919 posts)not you. I would bet NulearDem understands, and that's who I posted to.
polly7
(20,582 posts)R B Garr
(16,919 posts)as my post was to NuclearDem about how well they nailed you.
polly7
(20,582 posts)once the bat signal goes out.
Seriously.
R B Garr
(16,919 posts)In this case, I posted to NuclearDem that he/she totally nailed you.
polly7
(20,582 posts)R B Garr
(16,919 posts)Too bad he doesn't post here anymore. Totally nailed.
polly7
(20,582 posts)R B Garr
(16,919 posts)Too bad he doesn't post here anymore.
Anyway, I thought NuclearDem completely nailed it tonight. Brilliant responses starting at post 86.
polly7
(20,582 posts)what I've argued against since I joined in 2005 - you might not look so simple-minded. i think they're getting embarrassed back at the cave.
R B Garr
(16,919 posts)This thread is just one example, but a brilliant poster The Magistrate really nailed you a couple years ago. What's sad is that he doesn't post here anymore. You went back and self-deleted those threads months later, so you obviously know what I'm talking about. They were that bad.
And you know way more about other websites than I do, obsessed even.
polly7
(20,582 posts)in. It's just expected. Like the nasty kid in school who jumps in and tries to start a fight while hiding behind. You never discuss an issue, it's just all about being the meanest you can possibly be when you haven't even been addressed. Kids like that in school made me puke - my opinion of it hasn't changed.
Now, go back for more orders.
R B Garr
(16,919 posts)It's really sad he doesn't post here anymore.
What's funny about your whole post is that you could have written this about yourself. I posted to NuclearDem.
polly7
(20,582 posts)you and your warmongering pals. If he didn't like it - or you don't like it - too bad!!!! Poor thing, if he was insulted when he insulted me first. I guess he shouldn't have started it, eh??? I'm no shrinking violet that takes shit from anyone, I don't give a fuck if it was 'The Magistrate' or the Queen of England. You get what you give.
R B Garr
(16,919 posts)you've spent several posts pretending otherwise.
polly7
(20,582 posts)I just told you after you brought up a poster here that I give what I get - I don't care who it's from. It's really, really simple to understand.
R B Garr
(16,919 posts)but you spent several posts insulting me since that's the only reason you posted to me today. My post was to NuclearDem.
And The Magistrate didn't insult you. That's the point. He just totally nailed you and your hypocrisy. So did NuclearDem.
polly7
(20,582 posts)He loved doing it, just as you do, and you haven't got a fucking clue what you're talking about. And Nuclearwhatever nailed nothing.
You are so pathetic swooping in with your personal attacks every single time you see a chance for a pile-on - like another little scared bully at school that can't do anything on your own - never, ever a single comment on the issue. Just a pitiful little internet bully - how sad for you.
But hey, warmongers gonna war.
CreekDog
(46,192 posts)polly7
(20,582 posts)I still haven't had Hussein's baby - are you the one who accused me of being his baby-momma? lmfao. The more things change, eh? Warmongers gonna war.
CreekDog
(46,192 posts)polly7
(20,582 posts)CreekDog
(46,192 posts)obviously to dislike him and criticize him, there must be something in particular you hate about him?
tell us why.
i mean i completely agree with you that Putin is horrible, he's anti-gay and he's invaded with impunity.
is there anything else you dislike about him?
polly7
(20,582 posts)You're apparently obsessed with him.
Tell us more.
CreekDog
(46,192 posts)polly7
(20,582 posts)You're desperate to deflect just who has been causing the horror around the world for the last decades, aren't you? Sanders doesn't believe that fake R2P wars and dirty coups around the world are something to be aimed for. This place used to be for progressives who were against war. What a change ......... very sad and disappointing to see so many for the right to continue and escalate it. But it's all the big bad Russians' fault! How fucking pathetic.
CreekDog
(46,192 posts)10 seconds with the google suggests that you either have pages worth of amnesia
or were at a loss for how to respond to my original questions.
polly7
(20,582 posts)far and wide, and it was really nothing in the end. I forget a lot of things I don't find important. So sad, too fucking bad.
CreekDog
(46,192 posts)as examples.
but i think i chose pretty well, i mean considering it was about a 2 minute search.
as for you, you said you don't talk about Putin.
which makes you a...........................?
polly7
(20,582 posts)CreekDog
(46,192 posts)polly7
(20,582 posts)to defend a foreign policy that you seem to hope will escalate the horrible suffering in the ME and NA that you're just plain, flat out lying to distract from it. Either way, you're seeming - again, desperate.
CreekDog
(46,192 posts)polly7
(20,582 posts)homeless - children.
Get it?
Good.
NuclearDem
(16,184 posts)polly7
(20,582 posts)NuclearDem
(16,184 posts)nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)It must be connected according to you.
RandySF
(57,588 posts)Considering the Bernie supporters who chanted "English" while Dolores Huerta tried to translate at the Nevada caucus. Different day, different side of the issue when it suits them.
think
(11,641 posts)panader0
(25,816 posts)No More War!
And your insult is ridiculous. So he can only find two "country" on a map? HAAA! You sooo smart.
polly7
(20,582 posts)EndElectoral
(4,213 posts)Hillary prefers the heavy metal. Maybe a little Five Finger Death Punch.
"Politicians banking in their greed
No idea on how to be all they can be
Have you no honor Have you no soul
What is it theyre dying for Do you really even know
Have you no backbone Have you no spine...
Play your war games with other peoples lives
It should be you on the front line"
Jitter65
(3,089 posts)jillan
(39,451 posts)He has a concrete plan for the ME.
He spent a lot of time talking about Saudi Arabia - TG someone finally has the guts to say what needs to be said.
Iran.
China.
They barely talked about Iraq tonite
snowy owl
(2,145 posts)Bernie gave Hillary a tutorial on foreign policy tonight on CNN - Anderson Cooper.
HassleCat
(6,409 posts)With the sniper fire.
jfern
(5,204 posts)Katashi_itto
(10,175 posts)CentralMass
(15,265 posts)polly7
(20,582 posts)JonLeibowitz
(6,282 posts)Nucleardem at least seems way, way off base.
polly7
(20,582 posts)I'm used to it.
NuclearDem
(16,184 posts)polly7
(20,582 posts)NuclearDem
(16,184 posts)Off to bed with this guy.
polly7
(20,582 posts)JonLeibowitz
(6,282 posts)Posting something in Good Reads doesn't mean you are literally saying everything in the piece and believe every word.
FWIW, I have hate-read Ayn Rand previously. Does that make me a libertarian?
polly7
(20,582 posts)I've posted many controversial things in Good Reads. People have recc'd them just for the ability to discuss them - and often disagree. As I sometimes do. But apparently I love the Soviet Union's policies, Pootie - I even loved Hussein so much I wanted to have his baby. Anything to distract from a current foreign policy from their/our own that is causing suffering for millions.
NuclearDem
(16,184 posts)With her, it's a different matter entirely.
polly7
(20,582 posts)Pootie!
Qaddafi!
Hussein!
Assad!
Chavez!
Not a word about Kissenger, Kagan, Cheney or anyone from the west who's actually caused or pushed for every horror for the last decades.
It's a desperate ploy. So sad to see here.
DemocracyDirect
(708 posts)Bernie Sanders put the whole Middle East in balanced perspective.
And clearly has the plan to not only avoid war but to establish a lasting peace.
Imagine all the people, living life in peace.
Ken Burch
(50,254 posts)We really don't need to be intervening militarily anywhere anymore. Iraq and Libya prove that no good can ever come of U.S.-imposed regime change inthe Arab/Muslim world.
Ken Burch
(50,254 posts)No U.S. war anywhere has had any feminist or progressive or even vaguely positive consequences since the end of World War II.
Perogie
(687 posts)I like Bernie's trick.
Perogie
(687 posts)Bernie knows more than you.
Marr
(20,317 posts)end anyone's political career.
I care how many more foreign policy 'tricks' Hillary Clinton has in her bag, thanks. I've seen enough of them already.
Betty Karlson
(7,231 posts)Octafish
(55,745 posts)Imagine a different world, one where people are more important than the almighty dollar.
Autumn
(44,743 posts)Orsino
(37,428 posts)You may be confusing it with Cheney's and Powell's tricks which fooled so many Congresscritters.