They hate that we suggest they actually think for themselves.

When the turd way took over

Put kudos for you for consistency.

other than to put a person like Sanders on a pedestal.

and realize i'm talking about PROGRESSIVE ideas.

this must mean that either the subject is too deep for you or that no one has provided an answer for you. Hopefully, some day you will mature to the point where you can engage in rational discussion without this childish behavior.

and could be again. He may not accomplish all of his goals but at least he's willing to try and fight for us. Feel free to disagree. But I don't see a whole lot of inspired thinking by HRC.

Of course the counter argument from the HRC folks is that Sanders is selling pie in the sky ideas that have no chance of becoming reality. First, not true, particularly if Americans go to the polls and demand change by voting for it. This is a grass roots effort and it's about everyone. Second, like I said, even if not everything can be done, it's certainly better than a status quo future that continues HRC's vision; fracking, money from corporate America and Wall Street, no Glass Steagall, no college for everyone, more approval of trade agreements like NAFTA and the TPP. Is that vision for the future? Nope. It's not even what I'd call Democratic values.

i think you are projecting: the clintons are millonaires, not bernie. they will be even richer if hillary wins.

and a salary for his wife for the next eight years to stay on as a campaign staffer.

Grifters gonna grift.

NONE of you ever do, then you whine about Clinton being "bashed" constantly so: Where is your proof? I found a few articles comparing Sanders to Edwards. Obama was a centrist, like Clinton, and if Edwards would have stayed in the race, he would have been the most progressive candidate. But, there wasn't as much distance between Obama, Clinton and Edwards as there is between Sanders and Clinton: Bernie is the progressive candidate in this race. I don't what that means to you,
but it certainly does not support your claims. Bernie is to to the left of Edwards, and he is still a viable candidate.

But we are all entitled to our opinions. Since you've offered your comparison I'm trying to think of a politician to compare HRC to. A moderate republican would be a good match I think. Now, before you think this is just s smear comment, allow me to list for you the right-leaning beliefs and actions of your candidate;

She supports fracking. Is this really where we are going as party?

Clinton’s position on Keystone (or lack of one). She waited until the same week that Obama made his decision before announcing where she stood. That's not standing up for the environment. That's politics.

Wall Street money. Whether it's impression or reality, it's there and it can't help but make me wonder. Generally speaking, it's hard to imagine the banks and Wall Street throwing all of that money at her and saying "here you go, we don't expect anything in return." By the way, how is that search for the transcripts going?

Her opposition to Glass Stegall. Though I do recall her telling the banks to "cut it out."

Her Iraq vote. You may be sick of hearing about it but it's a big deal. It was poor judgement and lack of foresight. Sanders saw that it would destabilize the region. And it did. Now we not have the legacy of the Iraq war, we have the current ISIS situation.

Speaking of that, there is the no-fly zone proposal. Another poor foreign policy decision. What happens when Russian jets cross that line? You have to be prepared for that and I don't see it. Fortunately, it looks like Russia is pulling their aircraft out, but it's just another example of what that "experience" has gotten us.

The email and server investigation by the FBI. Sorry, it's real. It very well could end up being nothing in the end, but what if it's not? What if it drags on until the general election and then she gets indicted? Then you end up with a republican in the White House.

Gay marriage. You can see how she has flip flopped over the years, as confirmed via politifact. Another change based on the political winds.

Her support of the TPP

Her double down on the auto bailout lie. Her Koch brothers smear. Her one issue candidate smear.

These are facts that stand in stark contrast with her opponent and in my opinion should have no place in the values of the Democratic party.

I always appreciate how HRC supporters can offer such insightful counter-points. Geez, sometimes this is so easy it's not even fair.

i see people posting the quotes of great thinkers who share the same values as Bernie, and all except Jesus, were Democrats. it's telling that you find that so funny.

such a short ignore list +1

he had at least 3 posts hidden

That has to be a record.

i did my part

In every thread I post I get the same smilies as a response.

It's not as fast a reawakening as I'd like, but it is happening. And it's happening just fast enough to win Bernie the nomination.

Against so much establishmentarianism Bernie is awakening the true spirit of American democracy.

by the financiers who said "Because we will cut off all donations to your campaign."

Recommended.

...so the progressive ideas are not completely dismissed. Bernie is introducing that mindset to a whole new generation of Americans.

Someone keeps trying to beat him down.

for the Clinton campaign to dismiss progressive ideas and our Party's long glorious past but what's most disturbing is that some of the supporters of Clinton are buying into it. It saddens me. We are at a very important crossroads in this election. We actually have the opportunity to reclaim those progressive values and yet some of us not only do not recognize it but make fun of those of us who do. I wonder what they will tell their grandchildren about their participation at this seminal moment in history?

nobody wants to pay for these unicorns.

Sanders' maths doesn't work.

Some of us don't mind paying higher taxes for a better life for everyone.

who give money to policians, and expect nothing at all in return. the math doesn't work because there are no mtyhical creatures: just a corrupt system, with some corrupt politicians who have convinced you that government, supported by your tax dollars, cannot, and must not, work in your best interests.

- massive tax cuts (and quasilegal tax evasion) for the rich
- bloated military budgets
- massive drug wars

but we can never pay for liberal "unicorns" like universal health care, education and good jobs.

good to know Zombie Reagan is still winning.

in other developed countries?

smilie the shit out of it...

note: i would have posted this in response to a single post...but i was somewhat overwhelmed...

yeah, I'm talking to you MRT...at least my response actually addresses something you posted...as opposed to your posts...

if, for some reason, you think this is an unwarranted 'attack' on you personally...well, that figures...

It gets a lot of votes from certain naive segments of the electorate. If you win and then when you can't deliver you blame it on all the straw men -oligarchs, neolibs, third wayers, etc ad infinitum. In Bernie world it's always somebody else's fault. He's been in Congress for 24 years. He has been part of the establishment.

and, most likely, keep neither one, or any, of them?

Bernie isn't promising ANYTHING except to FIGHT for certain goals. He knows, and his supporters know, he can't do it by himself. That's why we need a political revolution.

Maybe if you actually paid attention instead of posting nonsense, you would know that.

if we are to have a better country.

Don't you think he's in the right direction, about what would make this a better country?

Think you could join and work on it, or is shitting on it because it's not currently "real" the better way to go?

the problem comes when people say "I'm not even going to try".

For example: when someone says that they will include, say, a public option in a health care bill and drops that at the first sign of resistance to it. That feels like a betrayal, because there is no fight there, just an admission that there was never an intent to truly try for it. (And no, I'm not saying President Obama is terrible, I'm saying I was disappointed that he didn't put up any kind of a fight for a public option. On that issue, I am disappointed in him.)

The point is having someone who will advocate on behalf of those of us who aren't millionaires and billionaires, who will fight for us, instead of saving their fighting spirit for corporate persons and those who get rich off of the labor of those lower on the economic ladder than they are.

I'm tired of hearing "we can't even try". Hope and change has turned to "sit down and shut up".

but it sickens me. It is soul crushing.

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Can't build our own bridges, Can't build our own train cars, Can't have Universal Health Care.

But that faux security is an illusion.

It's the worst I've seen it. Why Obama's campaign started with such excitement with the simple slogan, "Yes, We Can!" Now, it has become, "No, we can't." It's gone from Obama "Hope and Change" to "The Pragmatic Grown Up".

Vision and Idealism have become "childish." Not realistic. There are too many reasons why it can't be done.

Just be grateful for the little you can get in such a divided government.

I really think this is what Bernie is talking about by a political revolution. This entropy of the party toward inertia is why so many are having a hard time supporting the Establishment candidate, and many who are doing so are doing so out of loyalty - the old lesser of two evils vote- not, damn, that's a leader, that's exciting, that's what needs to happen and will happen by God because it's right.

There whole purpose was to make the Democratic party more "business friendly"--ie use republican philosophy when addressing economic subjects. It spelled the end of progressive policies.

Now it is easy for a Democratic frontrunner to use the long established republican line "who's going to pay for these giveaways?" to kill any meaningful government programs--even programs that were at the core of the party's agenda for over half a century. The party has moved so far to the right as to be unrecognizable.

to learn from by a Democrat running for President.

That's how far it's changed.

until 1988. Jesse Jackson's bid (Keep Hope Alive) had been vanquished and the Dukakis' message was competence.

The DLC/ Third Way is anti-progressive.

is after Hillary loses to Trump, we have a battle for the soul of the party.

Preceded by a request to google "why does Rice play Texas"

Similar thoughts as yours, my text ended with "fifty years later we have Clinton and Trump.

It is very sad.

What started the whole thing was my daughter sending out a text regarding the Bernie rally she attended yesterday. She took a bit of grief, rather than responding to each slam of Bernie I directed them to the JFK speech followed by the RFK quote. Thankfully it shut the thing down, my next response was going to be the full page ad in the Dallas paper slamming JFK for being a Socialist on the day he was murdered with a comment, the hate never ends.

Which is a horrible way to run a campaign.

"I'm giving you guys nothing. NOTHING. All my big donors will get a slice of the pie, but you will vote for me...or else..."