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bkkyosemite

(5,792 posts)
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 12:46 AM Mar 2016

2011 B. Clinton and Ryan caught on video Bill says:

about the win in NY.........So Bill Clinton says: " excuse to do nothing on medicare" They are at the Pete Peterson Foundation...Ole Pete wants no tax increases but should do it by cutting Social Security and Medicare. Billionaire. Why is Bill at this party cuz he is in with the in crowd. He has not changed either has Hillary!



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2011 B. Clinton and Ryan caught on video Bill says: (Original Post) bkkyosemite Mar 2016 OP
Thanks for the flashback! NWCorona Mar 2016 #1
HOLLLLLY SHIT!!! K&R!! Jesus Christ!! desmiller Mar 2016 #2
The Clintons have always been Republican-lite jfern Mar 2016 #3
Yup! NWCorona Mar 2016 #5
The GOP's other Southern Strategy. leveymg Mar 2016 #26
Every time we have this discussion or I see that pic I think jwirr Mar 2016 #40
they haven't looked at all, never mind closely enough. 2banon Mar 2016 #6
One disgusting episode after another with the Clintons. Impedimentus Mar 2016 #4
Hypocrisy? I say it reeks of Treachery more like it. 2banon Mar 2016 #8
I guess I'm a product of yesterday ... Impedimentus Mar 2016 #14
No it wasn't you! It's the fact that the word use to mean something 2banon Mar 2016 #21
Clinton and RYAN buddying up?! WTF?? Why would a DEMOCRAT CharlotteVale Mar 2016 #7
Because, and I know you know this...I'm merely answering the rhetorical question... Docreed2003 Mar 2016 #17
Bowles of Simpson Bowles, aka Cat Food Commission was the one in the Clinton merrily Mar 2016 #29
Hadn't seen this before.... Juicy_Bellows Mar 2016 #9
The standard bearers of our Party are right wingers. Broward Mar 2016 #10
^^ this ^^ amborin Mar 2016 #11
I was looking for that the other day! TY and rec, rec, rec! ebayfool Mar 2016 #12
This is a classic example of how the Clintons play us behind the scenes Oilwellian Mar 2016 #13
Yep, Obama tried to sell out the American people. Broward Mar 2016 #16
But...but..... Docreed2003 Mar 2016 #18
+100 Duppers Mar 2016 #43
Kick. Nt. Juicy_Bellows Mar 2016 #15
yep. this is how Clintons "play" the game. I can't believe that bbgrunt Mar 2016 #19
big K and R!!! bbgrunt Mar 2016 #20
DISGUSTING. The Clintons need to exit stage...right. AzDar Mar 2016 #22
.^that 840high Mar 2016 #24
Can someone summarize this? Bread and Circus Mar 2016 #23
weird... pantsonfire Mar 2016 #25
You are replying to the OP. How does your post relate to the OP? merrily Mar 2016 #28
Why is Bill Clinton negotiating our programs at all? Waiting For Everyman Mar 2016 #27
Great question! +1 Tierra_y_Libertad Mar 2016 #39
Snakes is the word. Bubba, Paul Ryan, billionaire Pete Peterson who wants the 2.5 Trillion SS Fund. appalachiablue Mar 2016 #60
Remember the flack Bernie got for referring to "the Democrats"? This is far worse!!!!! highprincipleswork Mar 2016 #30
The Clintons are pulling the biggest con job in history. RiverLover Mar 2016 #31
"the proposal in the Republican budget is not the right one" joshcryer Mar 2016 #32
It was obvious diplomacy-speak. People here act like newbies when it fits their case. randome Mar 2016 #38
Remember, Simpson-Bowles never went anywhere. joshcryer Mar 2016 #41
This doesn't bother you in the least? Armstead Mar 2016 #58
How do we "bring down Medicare costs" without CUTS? Duppers Mar 2016 #44
Reimbursements to providers is one way to cut costs. randome Mar 2016 #45
In addition to what random said, drug price negotiation. joshcryer Mar 2016 #52
Then why did he say "Democrats"? Duppers Mar 2016 #54
He didn't want us giving up. And we haven't. joshcryer Mar 2016 #56
Okay. Duppers Mar 2016 #59
My biggest fear of a Hillary Clinton presidency is cuts to SS and Medicare. Vinca Mar 2016 #33
What the fuck?! Rotten from within! nt nc4bo Mar 2016 #34
I've Been Trying Not To Post Here, Just Appalled By ChiciB1 Mar 2016 #35
Hillary is to the right of Obama noiretextatique Mar 2016 #37
Remember when Bill spent the SS surplus... Oilwellian Mar 2016 #36
And they never mention that when they tell us how great jwirr Mar 2016 #42
Anything but make the billionaires pay their fair share Duppers Mar 2016 #46
It's a big club, and you just *think* you're part of it. n/t lumberjack_jeff Mar 2016 #47
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Mar 2016 #48
You fail to mention what he said in that speech before talking to Ryan: BreakfastClub Mar 2016 #49
K & R Duppers Mar 2016 #50
This is the classic "Good Cop/Bad Cop" game, being played ON US. arcane1 Mar 2016 #51
Hey, where are all the Hillarians, ready to explain this away? ChairmanAgnostic Mar 2016 #53
i was just noticing that.. 53 replies and only 2 half-hearted denials. nt Viva_La_Revolution Mar 2016 #55
What denial? He said the same thing publicly. joshcryer Mar 2016 #57

jfern

(5,204 posts)
3. The Clintons have always been Republican-lite
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 01:03 AM
Mar 2016

Anyone who thinks otherwise hasn't looked closely enough at who they are

leveymg

(36,418 posts)
26. The GOP's other Southern Strategy.
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 04:06 AM
Mar 2016

Colonize and coopt the Democratic Right then the Middle. Here are the three guys who did just that. Bill was Poppy Bush's most talented "son". Hillary carries the legacy today.

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
40. Every time we have this discussion or I see that pic I think
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 01:09 PM
Mar 2016

Dixiecrat. Right leaning democrats.

 

2banon

(7,321 posts)
6. they haven't looked at all, never mind closely enough.
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 01:10 AM
Mar 2016

I remember that video when it was published on the internet a few years back, can't remember if that was during the 2008 campaign or not, as disgusting as it was to hear it, it didn't actually surprise me, just reaffirming everything I know about him, and by extension Hillary. Because in this context, there's no difference of any significance between the two. This is a re-election of Bill Clinton and I just can't believe it even though we knew it was coming. so depressing.

Impedimentus

(898 posts)
4. One disgusting episode after another with the Clintons.
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 01:06 AM
Mar 2016

And to think Hillary supporters say Bernie isn't a Democratic. This reeks of hypocrisy.

FEEL THE BERN - 2016

 

2banon

(7,321 posts)
21. No it wasn't you! It's the fact that the word use to mean something
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 02:29 AM
Mar 2016

It used to be a stand alone term of significance. It used to mean an indictment of character to be abhorred, to use that term was the equivalence of condemnation. Now it's just a 'meh' to supporters.

Not you at all. sorry for the confusion.

CharlotteVale

(2,717 posts)
7. Clinton and RYAN buddying up?! WTF?? Why would a DEMOCRAT
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 01:12 AM
Mar 2016

even give Ryan the time of day, much less team up to do what sounds like screw over Medicare?!

Docreed2003

(16,817 posts)
17. Because, and I know you know this...I'm merely answering the rhetorical question...
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 01:38 AM
Mar 2016

The DLC/Third Way Dems don't give a shit about cutting Medicare and Social Security. "SS reform" was on the table during Clinton's second term and may very well have passed if it weren't for his minor sex scandal. That has been well documented. Hell, even during the "cat food" debates regarding chained CPI some Dems fought like Don Quixote to support Pres Obama because they believed that such cuts would never happen and the president would never agree to such severe cuts...sorry to pull back the veil but I truly believe that was a very real bargaing chip and not just three demensional chess. Social issues regarding abortion and gay rights are the only thing that separates Third Way Dems from pro business GOP. At the end of the day, for those groups, it's all about continuing the status quo and ensuring that the very wealthy, who are controlling the strings behind the scenes, continue to do so

merrily

(45,251 posts)
29. Bowles of Simpson Bowles, aka Cat Food Commission was the one in the Clinton
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 04:18 AM
Mar 2016

Administration who was pushing the cuts.

Oilwellian

(12,647 posts)
13. This is a classic example of how the Clintons play us behind the scenes
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 01:27 AM
Mar 2016

Obama also pushed hard to cut SS & Medicare benefits but ironically, the Tea Party Republicans in the House wouldn't agree to it.

Docreed2003

(16,817 posts)
18. But...but.....
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 01:40 AM
Mar 2016

Obama was merely playing three demensional chess with them.....yeah right, if the GOP had pulled their head out of their asses long enough they would have agreed to every compromise President Obama offered. We're damn lucky that the chained CPI never got reworked!!!

Waiting For Everyman

(9,385 posts)
27. Why is Bill Clinton negotiating our programs at all?
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 04:06 AM
Mar 2016

So he's to be the shadow President. Well isn't that a milestone for women?

What a snake!!! This needs to go viral, like Mittens' 47%er fiasco.

 

highprincipleswork

(3,111 posts)
30. Remember the flack Bernie got for referring to "the Democrats"? This is far worse!!!!!
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 04:40 AM
Mar 2016

Bill Clinton is showing his true unfortunate colors here, chumming it up with his buddy apparently, Paul Ryan!!! You know, the guy who'd just love to cut Medicare in pieces! And he is hoping that "the Democrats" don't use their victory to do nothing to TAKE MEDICARE APART!

Wow!

Now if all the Hillary lovers out there don't understand why some of us take this just as personally as anything they've got on their minds, that would be unbelievable. I will be eligible for Medicare this year, and I damn well sure don't want any of the available Clintons and Paul Ryan making some kind of deal to diminish it in any way or take it apart!

Give me a break.

And you talk about Bernie Sanders, who if you look at him right is just honestly doing his best to run a decent Democratic style campaign, while getting no support from the Democratic powers that be or the mainstream media. Give me an f'ing break!

joshcryer

(62,265 posts)
32. "the proposal in the Republican budget is not the right one"
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 08:06 AM
Mar 2016

He said that openly during that talk. That he was still willing to work with the Republicans on a plan to cut Medicare costs.

“You shouldn’t draw the conclusion that the New York race means that nobody can do anything to slow the rate of Medicare costs. I just don’t agree with that,” Mr. Clinton said at a budget forum sponsored by the Peter G. Peterson Foundation. Instead, he said, “you should draw the conclusion that the people made a judgment that the proposal in the Republican budget is not the right one. I agree with that.”

But Mr. Clinton said he feared that Democrats would conclude “that we shouldn’t do anything.”

“I completely disagree with that,” he said. “I think there are a lot of things we can do to bring down Medicare costs.”

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/05/25/bill-clinton-weve-got-to-deal-with-medicare/?_r=0


Note: I disagree with him that the Republicans could remotely put forth "a reasonable Social Security proposal, a reasonable Medicare proposal." But I think he was being diplomatic, leaving that possibility up to exist. Much like how Obama did with Simpson-Bowles.
 

randome

(34,845 posts)
38. It was obvious diplomacy-speak. People here act like newbies when it fits their case.
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 01:04 PM
Mar 2016

[hr][font color="blue"][center]A ton of bricks, a ton of feathers, it's still gonna hurt.[/center][/font][hr]

joshcryer

(62,265 posts)
41. Remember, Simpson-Bowles never went anywhere.
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 01:15 PM
Mar 2016

But the idea that Obama was fulfilling his campaign promise, to reach across the isle, open dialog, discuss possibilities, made him a terrible, terrible person.

Duppers

(28,094 posts)
44. How do we "bring down Medicare costs" without CUTS?
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 01:53 PM
Mar 2016

Does anyone here want to see Medicare cut, at all?

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
45. Reimbursements to providers is one way to cut costs.
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 01:58 PM
Mar 2016

Improving data retention is another. When you're up against a solid wall of obstruction, you have two choices to make progress: batter your head against the wall until it gives or find a way to sneak around it, maybe by giving in a little on the margins -costs and not benefits.

The only other choice you have is to stand completely still for 4 years.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]A ton of bricks, a ton of feathers, it's still gonna hurt.[/center][/font][hr]

joshcryer

(62,265 posts)
52. In addition to what random said, drug price negotiation.
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 02:16 PM
Mar 2016

Which is wildly popular, but just can get out of committee and to a vote.

83% support it: http://kff.org/health-costs/poll-finding/kaiser-health-tracking-poll-august-2015/

The democrats have been trying to do it ever since Bush banned it, but without control of the committee it's never going to come up for a vote.

Bill is being diplomatic in that vein. I don't think he believes the Republicans will do the right thing. They want all services to fail and replace everything with private companies.

Duppers

(28,094 posts)
54. Then why did he say "Democrats"?
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 03:39 PM
Mar 2016

As if we're the ones fighting this?

I'm sorry but there seems to be a blind spot in your logic.




GO BERNIE.

joshcryer

(62,265 posts)
56. He didn't want us giving up. And we haven't.
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 08:59 PM
Mar 2016

2015-2016: https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/114/s31

2013-2015: https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/113/s117

Please stop reading in to this. He was being diplomatic to Ryan. The naivety in this thread is astounding.

Vinca

(50,170 posts)
33. My biggest fear of a Hillary Clinton presidency is cuts to SS and Medicare.
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 08:10 AM
Mar 2016

Obama toyed with "chained CPI," but the Clintons have always been more open to GOP ideas.

ChiciB1

(15,435 posts)
35. I've Been Trying Not To Post Here, Just Appalled By
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 09:07 AM
Mar 2016

how so many here simply WILL NOT see how much The Clinton's Presidency will be more of the same if not even more to the "right" as Democrats.

But as one who receives SS help and know people who can barely get by on what little money they receive, this is a very ominous sign. If they are elected I fear what will happen to those already suffering.

But, it seems even here at DU people keep supporting ANYTHING that shows what the Clinton's intend to initiate that will most certainly HURT "we the people" and how they refuse to see that we will do NOTHING to end continual war.

Just a few more fears I have. But KEEP THE BLINDERS ON.

I'm already selling as many things as I can to have extra cash because just buying a box of cereal and a gallon of milk blows my mind. Never imagined this simple breakfast would eat up a budget so quickly.

AND NO THIS! Can say no more.

noiretextatique

(27,275 posts)
37. Hillary is to the right of Obama
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 01:02 PM
Mar 2016

And he is a centrist. So sad that rw propaganda seems to have worked pretty well on Democrats, when our standard bearers are to the right of most voters. No wonder they hate Ralph Nader.

Oilwellian

(12,647 posts)
36. Remember when Bill spent the SS surplus...
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 10:02 AM
Mar 2016

year after year and balanced the budget with our retirement savings? Now that the Boomers are retiring, which is why such a large surplus was needed in the first place, he wants to take it out of our hide a second time.

At least Gore had the decency to try and protect SS by asking that the surplus be put in a lock box, and he was mercilessly mocked for that.

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
42. And they never mention that when they tell us how great
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 01:21 PM
Mar 2016

the economy under Bill was. He used the SS surplus to cover up the mess he as creating by his behind the scenes deals with the Rs.

BreakfastClub

(765 posts)
49. You fail to mention what he said in that speech before talking to Ryan:
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 02:04 PM
Mar 2016

“It was about Medicare,” Clinton said during a speech to the debt forum minutes before he met Ryan back stage. Clinton was referring to Ryan’s controversial budget plan, passed by the House this year, which would transform Medicare for those under the age of 55.

“You shouldn’t draw the conclusion that the New York race means that nobody can do anything solve the rising Medicare costs,” said during his speech. “I just don’t agree with that. I think you should draw the conclusion that the people made a judgment that this proposal in the Republican is not the right one. I agree with that, but I’m afraid that the Democrats will draw the conclusion that because Congressman Ryan’s proposal, I think, is not the best one, that we shouldn’t do anything and I completely disagree with that.”
http://www.correntewire.com/update_controversial_video_of_former_president_clinton_and_us_representative_paul_ryan_talking_about

He said the same thing in his speech that he said to Ryan. In other words, there is no "there" there.

 

arcane1

(38,613 posts)
51. This is the classic "Good Cop/Bad Cop" game, being played ON US.
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 02:12 PM
Mar 2016

I look forward to the pretzel-bending to somehow excuse or justify this.

ChairmanAgnostic

(28,017 posts)
53. Hey, where are all the Hillarians, ready to explain this away?
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 02:18 PM
Mar 2016

Their silence is thundering.

And they wonder why we cannot trust either one of them? They accuse us of being unfair, close-minded, sexist, and worse?

joshcryer

(62,265 posts)
57. What denial? He said the same thing publicly.
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 09:02 PM
Mar 2016

A little while after that private exchange. This thread is lacking substance, just people patting themselves on the back. It's embarrassing.

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