2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forum2011 B. Clinton and Ryan caught on video Bill says:
about the win in NY.........So Bill Clinton says: " excuse to do nothing on medicare" They are at the Pete Peterson Foundation...Ole Pete wants no tax increases but should do it by cutting Social Security and Medicare. Billionaire. Why is Bill at this party cuz he is in with the in crowd. He has not changed either has Hillary!
NWCorona
(8,541 posts)Just a taste of what's in store for us if Hillary makes it.
desmiller
(747 posts)jfern
(5,204 posts)Anyone who thinks otherwise hasn't looked closely enough at who they are
Enough said
leveymg
(36,418 posts)Colonize and coopt the Democratic Right then the Middle. Here are the three guys who did just that. Bill was Poppy Bush's most talented "son". Hillary carries the legacy today.
jwirr
(39,215 posts)Dixiecrat. Right leaning democrats.
2banon
(7,321 posts)I remember that video when it was published on the internet a few years back, can't remember if that was during the 2008 campaign or not, as disgusting as it was to hear it, it didn't actually surprise me, just reaffirming everything I know about him, and by extension Hillary. Because in this context, there's no difference of any significance between the two. This is a re-election of Bill Clinton and I just can't believe it even though we knew it was coming. so depressing.
Impedimentus
(898 posts)And to think Hillary supporters say Bernie isn't a Democratic. This reeks of hypocrisy.
FEEL THE BERN - 2016
2banon
(7,321 posts)Hypocrisy is so yesterday.
Impedimentus
(898 posts)sorry my post saddened you.
FEEL THE BERN - 2016
2banon
(7,321 posts)It used to be a stand alone term of significance. It used to mean an indictment of character to be abhorred, to use that term was the equivalence of condemnation. Now it's just a 'meh' to supporters.
Not you at all. sorry for the confusion.
CharlotteVale
(2,717 posts)even give Ryan the time of day, much less team up to do what sounds like screw over Medicare?!
Docreed2003
(16,817 posts)The DLC/Third Way Dems don't give a shit about cutting Medicare and Social Security. "SS reform" was on the table during Clinton's second term and may very well have passed if it weren't for his minor sex scandal. That has been well documented. Hell, even during the "cat food" debates regarding chained CPI some Dems fought like Don Quixote to support Pres Obama because they believed that such cuts would never happen and the president would never agree to such severe cuts...sorry to pull back the veil but I truly believe that was a very real bargaing chip and not just three demensional chess. Social issues regarding abortion and gay rights are the only thing that separates Third Way Dems from pro business GOP. At the end of the day, for those groups, it's all about continuing the status quo and ensuring that the very wealthy, who are controlling the strings behind the scenes, continue to do so
merrily
(45,251 posts)Administration who was pushing the cuts.
Juicy_Bellows
(2,427 posts)My word.
Broward
(1,976 posts)amborin
(16,631 posts)ebayfool
(3,411 posts)TYT is so on it this cycle!
Oilwellian
(12,647 posts)Obama also pushed hard to cut SS & Medicare benefits but ironically, the Tea Party Republicans in the House wouldn't agree to it.
Broward
(1,976 posts)Docreed2003
(16,817 posts)Obama was merely playing three demensional chess with them.....yeah right, if the GOP had pulled their head out of their asses long enough they would have agreed to every compromise President Obama offered. We're damn lucky that the chained CPI never got reworked!!!
Juicy_Bellows
(2,427 posts)bbgrunt
(5,281 posts)some people want more of this.
bbgrunt
(5,281 posts)AzDar
(14,023 posts)Bread and Circus
(9,454 posts)pantsonfire
(1,306 posts)I don't see anyone saying, "Nobody cares".
merrily
(45,251 posts)Waiting For Everyman
(9,385 posts)So he's to be the shadow President. Well isn't that a milestone for women?
What a snake!!! This needs to go viral, like Mittens' 47%er fiasco.
Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)appalachiablue
(41,056 posts)highprincipleswork
(3,111 posts)Bill Clinton is showing his true unfortunate colors here, chumming it up with his buddy apparently, Paul Ryan!!! You know, the guy who'd just love to cut Medicare in pieces! And he is hoping that "the Democrats" don't use their victory to do nothing to TAKE MEDICARE APART!
Wow!
Now if all the Hillary lovers out there don't understand why some of us take this just as personally as anything they've got on their minds, that would be unbelievable. I will be eligible for Medicare this year, and I damn well sure don't want any of the available Clintons and Paul Ryan making some kind of deal to diminish it in any way or take it apart!
Give me a break.
And you talk about Bernie Sanders, who if you look at him right is just honestly doing his best to run a decent Democratic style campaign, while getting no support from the Democratic powers that be or the mainstream media. Give me an f'ing break!
RiverLover
(7,830 posts)They are republican.
joshcryer
(62,265 posts)He said that openly during that talk. That he was still willing to work with the Republicans on a plan to cut Medicare costs.
But Mr. Clinton said he feared that Democrats would conclude that we shouldnt do anything.
I completely disagree with that, he said. I think there are a lot of things we can do to bring down Medicare costs.
http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/05/25/bill-clinton-weve-got-to-deal-with-medicare/?_r=0
Note: I disagree with him that the Republicans could remotely put forth "a reasonable Social Security proposal, a reasonable Medicare proposal." But I think he was being diplomatic, leaving that possibility up to exist. Much like how Obama did with Simpson-Bowles.
randome
(34,845 posts)[hr][font color="blue"][center]A ton of bricks, a ton of feathers, it's still gonna hurt.[/center][/font][hr]
joshcryer
(62,265 posts)But the idea that Obama was fulfilling his campaign promise, to reach across the isle, open dialog, discuss possibilities, made him a terrible, terrible person.
Armstead
(47,803 posts)Duppers
(28,094 posts)Does anyone here want to see Medicare cut, at all?
randome
(34,845 posts)Improving data retention is another. When you're up against a solid wall of obstruction, you have two choices to make progress: batter your head against the wall until it gives or find a way to sneak around it, maybe by giving in a little on the margins -costs and not benefits.
The only other choice you have is to stand completely still for 4 years.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]A ton of bricks, a ton of feathers, it's still gonna hurt.[/center][/font][hr]
joshcryer
(62,265 posts)Which is wildly popular, but just can get out of committee and to a vote.
83% support it: http://kff.org/health-costs/poll-finding/kaiser-health-tracking-poll-august-2015/
The democrats have been trying to do it ever since Bush banned it, but without control of the committee it's never going to come up for a vote.
Bill is being diplomatic in that vein. I don't think he believes the Republicans will do the right thing. They want all services to fail and replace everything with private companies.
Duppers
(28,094 posts)As if we're the ones fighting this?
I'm sorry but there seems to be a blind spot in your logic.
GO BERNIE.
joshcryer
(62,265 posts)2015-2016: https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/114/s31
2013-2015: https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/113/s117
Please stop reading in to this. He was being diplomatic to Ryan. The naivety in this thread is astounding.
TY.
Vinca
(50,170 posts)Obama toyed with "chained CPI," but the Clintons have always been more open to GOP ideas.
nc4bo
(17,651 posts)ChiciB1
(15,435 posts)how so many here simply WILL NOT see how much The Clinton's Presidency will be more of the same if not even more to the "right" as Democrats.
But as one who receives SS help and know people who can barely get by on what little money they receive, this is a very ominous sign. If they are elected I fear what will happen to those already suffering.
But, it seems even here at DU people keep supporting ANYTHING that shows what the Clinton's intend to initiate that will most certainly HURT "we the people" and how they refuse to see that we will do NOTHING to end continual war.
Just a few more fears I have. But KEEP THE BLINDERS ON.
I'm already selling as many things as I can to have extra cash because just buying a box of cereal and a gallon of milk blows my mind. Never imagined this simple breakfast would eat up a budget so quickly.
AND NO THIS! Can say no more.
noiretextatique
(27,275 posts)And he is a centrist. So sad that rw propaganda seems to have worked pretty well on Democrats, when our standard bearers are to the right of most voters. No wonder they hate Ralph Nader.
Oilwellian
(12,647 posts)year after year and balanced the budget with our retirement savings? Now that the Boomers are retiring, which is why such a large surplus was needed in the first place, he wants to take it out of our hide a second time.
At least Gore had the decency to try and protect SS by asking that the surplus be put in a lock box, and he was mercilessly mocked for that.
jwirr
(39,215 posts)the economy under Bill was. He used the SS surplus to cover up the mess he as creating by his behind the scenes deals with the Rs.
Duppers
(28,094 posts)of taxes.
lumberjack_jeff
(33,224 posts)Uncle Joe
(58,112 posts)Thanks for the thread, bkkyosemite.
BreakfastClub
(765 posts)It was about Medicare, Clinton said during a speech to the debt forum minutes before he met Ryan back stage. Clinton was referring to Ryans controversial budget plan, passed by the House this year, which would transform Medicare for those under the age of 55.
You shouldnt draw the conclusion that the New York race means that nobody can do anything solve the rising Medicare costs, said during his speech. I just dont agree with that. I think you should draw the conclusion that the people made a judgment that this proposal in the Republican is not the right one. I agree with that, but Im afraid that the Democrats will draw the conclusion that because Congressman Ryans proposal, I think, is not the best one, that we shouldnt do anything and I completely disagree with that.
http://www.correntewire.com/update_controversial_video_of_former_president_clinton_and_us_representative_paul_ryan_talking_about
He said the same thing in his speech that he said to Ryan. In other words, there is no "there" there.
Duppers
(28,094 posts)Folks should listen to this.
arcane1
(38,613 posts)I look forward to the pretzel-bending to somehow excuse or justify this.
ChairmanAgnostic
(28,017 posts)Their silence is thundering.
And they wonder why we cannot trust either one of them? They accuse us of being unfair, close-minded, sexist, and worse?
Viva_La_Revolution
(28,791 posts)joshcryer
(62,265 posts)A little while after that private exchange. This thread is lacking substance, just people patting themselves on the back. It's embarrassing.